Egyptian government paints bull's-eye on Christians

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An organization that reaches out to persecuted Christians worldwide, International Christian Concern, says a new Egyptian court ruling allowing 12 Christians who converted to Islam to return to Christianity actually isn't religious freedom, and will place them in grave danger.

The Washington-based human rights group said the recent ruling followed another in which the judge concluded that no one – ever – is allowed to leave Islam.

The difference between the two cases is that the single man seeking to have his national identity card in Egypt reflect that he is a Christian was born a Muslim, while the more recent case, affecting 12 people, involved individuals who were Christian, turned to Islam, and then sought permission to return to Christianity.

On its surface, the ICC said, the ruling appears generous and beneficent. "The ruling enables the Christian identity of the 12 converts to be indicated on their government-issued identity cards," the organization noted. They had been "fighting for their re-conversion to be recognized by the Egyptian government" and now it has.

"Egypt's highest civil court has broken from Islamic tradition and official permitted someone to convert to some other religion than Islam," ICC noted.

However, the "victory" is only partial, and, in fact, "may indeed end up harming more than it helps," the organization said.

"The reason the court recognized these 12 conversions is because they had been Christians before they were Muslims. This does not help Muslim-born Egyptians who convert to Christianity," ICC said.

The group noted the only Muslim-born convert to Christianity to seek Egyption permission to be listed with his Christian identity, Mohammed Hegazy, has been rejected by Egyptian courts.

In that recent decision, Judge Muhammad Husseini said it violates the law for a Muslim to leave Islam.

The report said Husseini cited Article II of the Egyptian constitution, making Islamic religious law the "source" of Egyptian secular law, as the basis for his conclusion.

Since Islam is the "final" and "most complete" religion, Muslims already have full freedom of religion and are not allowed to return to the "less complete" Christianity or Judaism, the ruling said.

"Freedom of religion doesn't mean getting in and out of Islam to another religion, but only means that each person is free to practice his own religious rites, and not playing games with Islam or contradicting sharia law," the website said the judge concluded.

International Christian Concern noted that Hegazy now lives in hiding because of the many death threats from Muslims who consider him apostate, which under Islamic law results in the death penalty.

"Most Muslim-background Christians face such intense persecution that they do not even ask for official recognition of their Christianity for fear of discrimination and persecution from the government and from Muslims," the ICC said.

In the cases involving the 12 actually given permission to be listed, again, as Christian, the danger is just beginning, according to Magdi Khalil, director of the Middle East Freedom Forum.

Since the judge also ordered those Christians to display their "previous Muslim identity" on their national ID cards, the decision creates a high level of danger, Khalil said.

When extremists see their IDs, the Christians could be subject to discrimination or even killed, since they are considered apostates, Khalil explained....

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So...uhhh...Mr. Obama, since your the hottest thing since...uh...cabbage patch kids...what do you think about the recent Egyptian ruling about Muslims leaving Islam? Since they consider you an apostate...are you sure it's a good idea for you to personally reach out to leaders of muslim nations or are you really intentionally misleading us to impose your global tax of dhimmitude.

I mean, I know we are a really stupid nation...given that we are racists and islamophobes...what do you think?

Institutionalized cultism. Goes to Robert's points about Islam being a complete religio-political cult system...When does it happen here? Over my dead body..

There will be bitching about this on islamic sites like islamway and whatnot, and it will all be of the "well this is dumb because it makes the issue of apostacy complex" variety. The point will be that islam is supposed to be simple (untaxing to the mind) and that this ruling will make the implementation of sharia law harder. Quotes will be dredged up about "right ways" and so forth, possibly even Q 2:256.

I have predicted! So shall it be.


Prophet Geoff

Why do people need their religion on ID cards anyway? I know it is a stupid question; we all know the answer. One would think attacking this bureaucracy itself would be the best move, rather than tinkering with it, as it is designed to hem Muslims in and open up all others for abuse. I suppose the activists who are fighting for the right to change religious identity on their slave-registry cards know what is attainable and what is not.

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJt86UqHtX8


....CHristian ID cards in Egypt?....check out Iran...


"In a move reminiscent of the Nazis forcing Jews to wear a Star of David insignia, Iran’s parliament has reportedly passed a law requiring Jews, Christians and other religious minorities to wear color-coded badges to identify them as non-Muslims.

The law would also set a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear "standard Islamic garments.”

The law, which must be approved by Iran's "Supreme Leader" Ali Khamenei before taking effect, requires Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes. Christians would be forced to wear red badges and Zoroastrians would wear blue cloth, according to Canada’s National Post.

"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.


"Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

no one – ever – is allowed to leave Islam.of course like all cults, they can not stand to lose. Anyone who has joined the cult

While we are on the subject of Egypt’s Christians, Britain’s Channel 4 showed an excellent documentary on the subject recently.

This hasn’t gathered the same fame as the “Undercover Mosques” program but deserves to be seen.

It deals with the poverty and discrimination faces by Egypt’s Christian minority.
Available here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iFz-tN7WH8

Only a form of homicidal insanity would consider itself a "religion" and then say you are not allowed to leave it under penalty of death.

Islam: a form of homicidal insanity posing as a "religion.