Former Pakistani generals: "the war for the independence of Kashmir cannot be won without jihad"

It will be interesting to see whether the fans of Musharraf who are now backing General Ashfaq Kayani can step up and claim that he is dissociated from such above comments. Note that before the coup that brought him into power, General Musharraf was famous due to his leading the Pakistani army that got defeated badly in Kargil in 1998.

As for the statement above, the war for the independence of Kashmir is a Jihad. One doesn't see Kashmiri Pundits, Buddhists, Sikhs or Christians backing such a movement, or even having a separate independence claim of their own. Not that that stops the Mohammedans from claiming all of Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh!

the war for the independence of Kashmir is jihad - one doesn't see the Buddhists of Ladakh, the Hindus in Jammu or Kashmiri Pundits backing such a campaign, or even demanding a separate non-Muslim state of their own!

Memo to Fred Barnes: does Gen Ashfaq Kayani back such moves? Or does it not matter, since the US ain't the target?

Sorry for the double post - the first one choked!

This time when India amasses a couple of million soldiers on their border with Pakistan and they are ready to declare war, I hope that India will tell our U.S. State Department to screw off and die when Condi tells them to 'allow diplomacy a chance'.

Assalamau Laikum Infedel Pride,

the first one choked

Is that because you saw the picture of a jihadist on the TV and it frightened you!!!

As the 'Palestinian' Arab Muslims in Muslim-dominated Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria (aka 'west bank') to the Jews and the Jewish state of Israel; so the Muslims in Muslim-invaded-and-occupied ancestrally-Indian Kashmir, to the non-Muslim Indians living there, and to the Hindu-majority secular commonwealth of India of which Kashmir is rightfully a part.

The IDF in Judea and Samaria, and the Indian army in Kashmir, are fighting EXACTLY the same battle against the same implacable geopolitical expansionist imperial war cult, a cult that, in fact, has no real attachment to, no actual love for, anyplace on earth except Arabia, and whose ultimate aim is to turn everyone on earth into slaves, grovelling to an Arab/ised despot or despots forever.

The 'Palestinian' Arab Muslim attacks on Jewish people living in Judea and Samaria, are driven by precisely the same supremacist ideology as the cowardly Muslim attacks on peaceful, noncombatant Hindu, Buddhist or Christian residents of Kashmir.

The non-Muslims in the Indian army and police force, and the IDF and Israeli police, need to dust off Sun Tsu - and the Indian army can dust off Winston Churchill ('The River War', 'The Malakand Field Force'). The IDF should track down, now, while those old fellows are still alive, everyone who remembers anything about the work and teachings of Orde Wingate. Then
they need to share information.

Hey - can someone start circulating Coughlin's "To Our Great Detriment" in India? How about a pamphlet publication? Samizdat, if no official publisher will touch it?

So what if "jihad struggles around the world are actually simple nationalist struggles for self-determination"?
Why wouldn't people so concerned about minority rights in this country also be concerned that those "nationalist struggles for self-determination" inevitably result in ethnic or religious cleansing and that some members of that same nation are ultimately deprived of their rights based on their religion?
Let's buy the argument that this is simply a struggle for self-determination. What about the minority members of the community? Does the majority's right to self-determination allow it to deprive the rest of life, liberty and property?
Surely groups that fight every day for the rights of minorities in Western countries should be mindful of them everywhere else. Are people who are being subjugated by jihadists less deserving of their rights?

Re: "Many times, as I travel around the country and give talks about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat, I encounter people who tell me that what I am characterizing as jihad struggles around the world are actually simple nationalist struggles for self-determination. And that is, indeed, the conventional wisdom -- witness the mainstream media's consistent designation of jihadists in Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Kashmir and elsewhere as "insurgents," "militants," and the like. Never "jihadists."

There is no question that Jihad is motivated by Islamic dogma. Islam, at its root, is the engine of Arab imperialism. The ideological engines of Imperialism (Arab-Islam, Nazis, Spain in the New World, etc.) are always predatory-exploitation-jizya-systems-as opposed to the commercial imperialism-Empires (Brits, US, etc.). And at their core, the ideological-"religious" systems always have some "best people" concepts.

What amazes me is how the non-Arab-Muslims bow to their racist Arab masters at the Gas Station and don't see through the core reason for Jihad. Look at pakistan. There we see the descendants of people who had their indigenous Hindu culture raped-destroyed by Muslims (worse than Pizarro in Peru) bow to the Gas-Station. It's amazing.

Frank

They bowed to the Arabs even when there were no gas stations. That is the extent of the colonisation that Islam does - it colonises the mind, and there never has been such a colonisation. Nasseem is an example, albeit a caricature.

Naseem

A L I F Pride ..your above post...a really strong string takes off on cogent topics about Mo and you choked ..were you just getting a Heimlich Manuver..( in Urdu.."gaasas..hmmm..allah..saw..pbuhhhhhhhhhhh.yecchhhhhhhhhhh

DP111-

Agree. Even people like Fibrahim Hooper take Arab names. It does colonize the mind. It's an amazing system of essentially Arab imperialism.

But its past its time. We are moving into an era of strictly commercial imperialisms (Brits, China, US, India, etc.) and the ideological imperialisms are bad for business.

The commercial imperialist systems are usually (but not always) tolerant of anything that does not interfere with commerce. Islam is an ideological-"religious' predatory-exploitation-domination imperialism and is the last gasp of the Middle Ages in an era of instant communication and rapid transportation. The 21st century will accelerate the process of production in the commercial nations and they can only look for jizya in the future.

The Muslim Arabs don't produce anything (as Hugh pointed out, it's a "cargo cultre")and if the Arabs ever lose that oil lottery ticket they will be destitute. And if they keep on in this madness they will be annihilated.

Never underestimate the value of the "internal spritual struggle".

Trust me, someday in the future, somebody will read my words here and say: that SOB Frank got it right. It will get to a critical point when they get nuclear weapons, or are close to getting nuclear weapons, and then a "terrible accident" will happen when one of their bombs goes off in Iran, etc.

They are bad for business. I can just hear the Chinese saying, "We can't let these Muslim shitty-fits disrupt the oil supply. Something has to be done". Eventually they are going to have "an accident". My guess is Iran.

DP111-

Nasseem a destroyed indigenous-Hindu-culture Daffy Duck bowing to her masters at the Gas Station.

"as Hugh....it's a "cargo cultre [sic]"

Cargo Cult.

There are some 20 to 60 million Muhammedans in China.

While we don't hear much about them, they cause the same problems and keep separate from the general Chinese population. 30 years ago there were some uprisings which were put down in the usual Chinese fashion: news-blackout, no journo's allowed to travel to the area, etc while the army 'cleaned up'. But nevertheless, word got out and I remember that some 20-to 40.000 Muslims were roasted within a week or so.

The experience must have taught them a lesson, because since then we haven't heard much. There is no information on the web, but if anyone has anything I would be happy to put it on file.

Has anybody noticed that there is also very little on the web when it comes to the Indonesian atrocities against their Chinese minorities just 10 years ago?

Somebody seems to be very eager to see it all disappear...

Dumbledoresarmy said:
"The non-Muslims in the Indian army and police force, and the IDF and Israeli police, need to dust off Sun Tsu - and the Indian army can dust off Winston Churchill ('The River War', 'The Malakand Field Force'). The IDF should track down, now, while those old fellows are still alive, everyone who remembers anything about the work and teachings of Orde Wingate. Then they need to share information."

Please, spare us the Chinese. We have our own manual. Ever heard of Chanakya's "Arthashastra". ;) Considered one the first political, economical treatise in the world.

Chanakya is considered largely responsible for removing the Greek presence of India and assembling the Mauryan empire, which would eventually cover Afghanistan and the sub-continent.

Alaskan, you said it, regarding India’s response to Pakistan concerning Kashmir!
In fact, I hope, beyond hope, that Israel will soon tell Condoleezza the same regarding Iran, Gaza... the entire viper-pit, which is the Middle-East.
Islam does not negotiate and will never negotiate… it is not in their vocabulary. The sooner the dolt-heads of the west come to grasp this fact; we can finish the task at hand.

Many times, as I travel around the country and give talks about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat, I encounter people who tell me that what I am characterizing as jihad struggles around the world are actually simple nationalist struggles for self-determination.

You can't have self-determination without a self!

And if ever there was a culture that discouraged the development of an independent free-standing ego it's mohammedanism.

In the mouths of those people the phrase self-determination means theocracy, conformity, authoritarianism and a passive incapacity for independent thought.

Bull feathers!

All Islamic wars and insurgencies are Jihad by definition. All the rest is commentary.

So amusing to see how the atheists of the media are so blinded to the religious dimension in Muslim Jihad wars. And they ridicule the God believing! Real God not phony Allahs sprung from the mind of a false prophet

sheik yer'mami,

RE: China

http://wolfgangbruno.blogspot.com/2005/10/fight-against-jihad-dealing-with-india.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article2116123.ece

This particular link is the one that I e mail to all Chinese people that I know:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/002147.php

The Indian angle is an interesting one because it is the weakness of the islamic whine of "Its all racism"
We are the same race as the pakis !

Here are two further links :

http://www.fosaac.tv

http://www.kevinkaul.com

This chap Kevin Kaul is an Indo American, very rich and influential I think he is pro Hilary Clinton, but that is an internal matter for you Americans.

It may be worth Robert or Hugh making contact with him/them because the Indians in the USA are predominatly Hindu or Sikh. There is a large population of wealthy ( and I do mean very wealthy) Hindu Pandits in the USA.

In the UK we have a situatiuon where leaders of botth Lab/Con have visited India to further trade links, at the same time they appease islamist organisations in the UK that are committed to the break up of India and its subjugation under islam.

There is an obvious contradiction there.
The islamists are very active in schools, colleges and universities.
There first victims are the Jewish students and then the Hindu/Sikhs.

There has been violence in the UK:

http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/2007/11/09/durga-puja-celebrations-is-east-london-attacked/

and that is the tip of the iceberg.

The UK government is weak and spineless.
They shut down an investigation regarding corruption/bribery re: BAE and saudi arabia.
The reason ? British jobs.
Surely the solution is to seek out trade alliances with nations that are happy to trade but have no malicious intent towards you.

The King Fart academy in London continues to teash children the saudi wahibist school curriculam, our government does nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0-jadXUKWM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/30/nsaud30.xml

http://www.google.com/search?q=king+fahad+academy&hl=en&rls=SUNA,SUNA:2006-47,SUNA:en&start=0&sa=N

Israel is soon to be Indias main weapons supplier, the USA is also supplying large amounts of military equipment (paid for, not given free or at low cost as is the case with pakistan)
The Royal Marines and Indian Airborne troops have just finished training together, US and Israeli, American, French and Russian and Chinese troops have and are training together.

All we need to do is to take aour politicians heads out of their bums and the moslems out of their pockets.

Hugh and Robert I have some ideas, if you care to contact me I will elaborate.

Regards

AI

SYM:"There are some 20 to 60 million Muhammedans in China.

Bodansky's latest book -"Chechen Jihad"- has quite a lot about these people. China, like the US was happy to arm the Mujahideen in the past, and like the US, it's turned out to be the biggest piece of "How does payback sound?' since.....well.....forever.

It seems the Chinese are really worried by the Islamists there, but I'll get the book, it's at home, but Bodansky pointed out it's all mixed up withe the 1,000's of ethnicities, etc.

BTW, his book is absolutely outstanding. This guy is essentially the only author who gets to see Israeli, US and Russian secrets. The guy's a must read.

SYM:"Indonesian atrocities against their Chinese minorities just 10 years ago?".

I know, it's a disgrace. Typical Muslim jealousy. The ethnic Chinese created all of Indonesia's wealth. Not for nothing are the ethnic Chinese called the "Jews Of the East". Of course, the Muslims couldn't do something as demeaning as work for success, so they just burned, stole and killed for it. Far easier.

IP:"the war for the independence of Kashmir is jihad"

Interesting posts. Any chance of posting more re Kashmir? Bodansky has written exetensivly on the subject.

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/bodansky/axis.htm

His analysis comes to the same conclusions. It's all part of the great Jihad experience.

The Indians have suffered far worse than anyone in all of this. Tens of 1,000s of Indian Kashmiris have had the most awful of deaths. The financing, arming, training comes from Pakistan. The Bhuttos, the Generals, the ISI are all guilty.

The Russkies are India's biggest supporters. The US are Pakistanis.

Pathetic. Lamentable. Derisory