Free Kosovo will be a door for Islamic jihadists

John Bolton says what we have been saying here all along.

“Free Kosovo a Door for Islamic Radicals,” from Javno (thanks to larwyn):

Independent Kosovo will endanger the stability in the Balkans once again, estimated the American ambassador at the UN, John Bolton.

I think that there is a significant risk that the instability in the Balkans will continue in Bosnia and other areas where ethnic groups do not live in a country they refuse, said Bolton in an interview for Glas Amerike reported in Serbian language.

Kosovo will be a weak country submissive to Islamic radical forces which will spread its influence in the area with the support of singular Albanians and so potentially open the door to radicals in Europe, Bolton estimated.

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  1. says

    Posted by: jewdog Islam: Destroying civilization one country at a time, since 622.

    And now aided and abetted by another Amerikee president who lusts moer for the Petro”d”allah

    “The Ahtisaari plan is our blueprint forward,” Bush said. “We’ll watch to see how the events unfold today. The Kosovars are now independent.”

  2. says

    It may very well be that Bolton will be proven correct. However, one should not attribute full sovereignty to the political construct that is “Kosovo”.

    Recall that the EU takes over from the UN as the administrator of country, just as the last UN Rep planned. Some 2500 EU police and military will begin arriving in Kosovo on Tuesday. Also, the EU’s representative council will have authority to fire any Kosovar politician or diplomat. NATO remains in charge of Kosovo’s military, specifically prohibiting the Kosovar Army from “heavy weapons”.

    That said, I do not believe that either the EU and its members or the US is prepared to root out radical Islamists in Kosovo. In fact, I seriously doubt they could find them with an address and GPS!

  3. says

    The US and the UN gave Kosovo over to the islamic Albanians in a deal orchestrated by the Suadi’s.

    The hope was that an islamic state in the heart of Europe that would be part of the EU could be “controlled” to the extent that islamic uprisings could be quelled.

    The Serbs in Kosovo have be murdered systematically since the KLA take over as the UN and EU watched.

    The only thing to flourish has been forced prostitution, drugs, and black market arms sales.

    Europe will pay a high price in blood unfortuantely — islam will not be satisfied until it rules the world; and I think it will given the foolishness of Western leaders.

    The albanians won’t stop at the Hungarian boarders idiots!

  4. says

    Kosovo is the heartland of the indigenous Slavic Serbs. There is much more of an argument for a “right of return” for the Slavic Serbs to Kosovo than “Palestinians” have in Israel. The Albanians there should be repatriated back to Albania.

    Further, this region was great recruiting ground for the Nazis looking for Muslims who “served” in the Waffen SS. (Every time I look at that Ed-209 Lakovic I get a powerful feeling that her ancestors were of that ilk.) It’s a great injustice to the indigenous Slavic Serbs.

  5. says

    “The hope was that an islamic state in the heart of Europe that would be part of the EU could be “controlled” to the extent that islamic uprisings could be quelled.”

    Wasn’t one of the rationalizations for immigration, to Europe as well as America, that Muslims living in free societies would understand what that meant? So now we’re saying we have to give them their own totalitarian state on a continent that lost millions fighting totalitarians of all stripes?

    Insanity. Utter insanity.

  6. says

    Unfortunately, under the Constitution the entire adventure in the Balkans that Bill Clinton dragged us into (same with Bush and Iraq) falls within the rights of the Executive branch. They wanted to do it, so they did.

    What would be preferable would be for important actions, such as extending diplomatic recognition to any entities such as Kosovo, to require the advice and consent of Congress. This would put the brakes on such misguided undertakings, and give U.S. citizens some input into the process. In the case of Kosovo, the vision of Bush and Rice seems to be built around naive and simplistic notions equating “independence” of Kosovo with American independence from Britain. Who knows what the reasoning is of the EU countries backing independence? One sympathizes with Russia in their backing of the Serb position. They have a much greater stake in what happens on their borders than does the U.S. or the EU.

  7. says

    This is a black day in European history, unfortunately the US will go down as having betrayed Eastern Christians in favour of Islamic fascism once again.

    In my opinion it was the first step to the eventual death of a civilized Europe, the nail in the coffin comes with Turkey’s entry into the EU. Many believe it will not happen, I think it will because the US and its lap dog Britain want it.

    There really is no common sense in the US administrations anymore.

  8. says

    Another suicidal move by our geniuses in Wash. DC., to endorse the secession of Kosovo.

    And a pretty logical outcome of identifying the enemy as “terrorism” rather than the jihad.

  9. says

    Kosovo is the heartland of the indigenous Slavic Serbs. There is much more of an argument for a “right of return” for the Slavic Serbs to Kosovo than “Palestinians” have in Israel. The Albanians there should be repatriated back to Albania.

    – Posted above

    This statement, while true with regard to Kosovo belonging to the Serbs for a long time, overlooks the fact that Albanians are the original inhabitants of the area. Slavs came later.

    However, let me be clear. I do not support Kosovo’s independence; rather, I support its self governance inside of Serbia. My opposition to Kosovar independence is not due to Serb of Albanian claims over the land, but rather over a concern over the precedent it creates (a violent confrontation that quickly and easily leads to independence being sold as acceptable). It is important that in concurring that Kosovo not be granted statehood, one articulate the true reasons for opposition. One last reason for opposing statehood, of course, is the likelihood it will become a jihadist state like Chechnya.

  10. says

    I must say as a serb and a curious onlooker I am more than a bit annoyed that Mr Spencer never dares touch serbian issues here to show us that religious extremism in general and islamic fundamentalism in particular are his real issues whereas serbian nation has been tortured by terrorism and had it’s land and possessions stolen by these same forces which he claims to fight which were obviously helped and incited by the western powers led by US.

    And someone said saudis did it, maybe a bit but I disagree, it was mainly the zionist jews agitators in US and elsewhere, afterall the biggest serb haters in America and maybe the world are people like Liberman, Lantos(gone now), Feinstein, Albright, Clarke, Holbrooke, Cohen, Friedman etc… for they thought some war mongering away from israel and sucking up to muslims will help them and Israel and for their ultimate target is Russia so they wage war on any slavic people as a precursor and serbian people were a target

    As for Serbia, this is obviously the most grievous international law violation since the war itself in 1999 which was followed by Iraq war and is probably just as serious and a matter of existence as 1914 first world war. Clearly the regime in washington wants to wash off hands since their balkan adventures have served their purpose or not and they ahve other fish on their mind, either way “international law” doesn’t exist anymore but the balkan issues are not over in fact they are just starting but it maybe without America

  11. says

    Hopefully the Russians will move in to solve this problem. A new Islamic state is never a good thing … in all cases. Mr. Bush would do well to realize this, and stop it with the stupidity it really isn’t cute anymore.

  12. says

    I wonder how can regular Americans support Serbia is there any sort of cherity or such organization we can get involved in, because what America is doing in regards to this is just wrong, and if more Americans knew what Mr. Bush supports they’d be real pissed off. On this one I would get involved.

  13. says

    Kafir Nonbeliever ,

    I guess you are a genuine person so I will tell you the truth, albanians are not even native to europe at all let alone kosovo or any other area, in fact their language and customs are same or similar to chechens and that caucaus area and they have nothing in common with any european people .
    They only showed up in the balkans with the turkish occupation in the 15 or 16th century and in kosovo in the 19th century when turish empire begin declining so turks brought them there to occupy land and stop serbian liberation . It did not work as Serbia rightly liberated its land from 1815 to finally 1912. Every building and toponym in kosovo is serbian. Albania never existed until 1913 when it was created by imperial Italy as a colony. Serbia lost 3 mil. people in 2 world wars and then there were thousands of illegal albanians immigrants move in after the war while enjoying socialist benefits which they used to make land unliveable and complain about everything which went right up to 1999 and american led bombing and invasion.

  14. says

    How foolish it is for the United States and Great Britian to support an independent Kosovo.

    The U.S. support of Kosovo’s independence from Serbia is misguided and disasterous for Europe.

    Supporting a Muslim succesionist movement that endorses Albanian Muslim territorial claims over Serbian Christian territorial claims is setting a bad precedent for U.S foreign policy.

    An Islamic state in Europe is bad for the democractic institutions in Europe and will only further destabilize and weaken democracy throughout the entire region.

    U.S. support of a successionist movement in a disputed territory will also embolden other successionist moevements throughout Europe ( E.G. Basque region of Spain, Cyprus, and Romania ).

    Under the leadership of former U.S. President Bill Clinton, the U.S supported the Albanian resistance group KLA, a militaristic “liberation” group that was classified as a “terrorist group” by the state department in 1998 with documented ties to Islamic terrorism and the opium drug trade.

    Dr. Veselin Kesich, is a Professor Emeritus at St. Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary in Crestwood, NY, where he taught New Testament and Serbian Church History.

    He wrote an interesting article titled: KOSOVO IN THE HISTORY OF THE SERBIAN CHURCH which exposes some of the serious problems that have been caused by the U.S foreign policy in Kosovo.

    Here are some interesting quotes from Dr. Kesich:

    After the Dayton peace accords in 1995, terminating the civil war in Bosnia-Hercegovina, the attention of the world turned to Kosovo. Dayton had ignored the problems of Kosovo, where the Albanian majority claimed independence.

    As their complaints were not addressed, the extremist leaders of the Kosovars turned from the policy of passive resistance of their moderate leadership to guerilla tactics and violent acts against the Serbian population. The Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), successor to the Prizren League, was formed. Their activities prompted the State Department to label them a “terrorist group” in February 1998. A year later, however, the Western powers invited the KLA to represent Kosovo at Rambouillet.

    What made the Rambouillet plan unacceptable to the Serbian delegation was not the demand that Kosovo’s autonomy be restored, but a secret codicil giving NATO representatives the right to free access to any part of Yugoslavia, to occupy the whole country. No national leader could have accepted such a capitulation, and in the agreement terminating hostilities on June 10, 1999, this demand was rescinded. The codicil recalls the Austrian ultimatum in 1914, demanding access to Serbian institutions and leading to the outbreak of World War. After the failure to procure Serbian assent, the bombing of Kosovo by NATO began almost immediately.

    The “precision bombing” led to unintended consequences, which we will not detail. We may note that the United States and its allies carefully timed the attack on Iraq to avoid Ramadan, the Islamic holy season, so as not to offend the Muslims. However, there was no such sensitivity here; the bombers were out full force on both Western and Orthodox Easter. In a challenging article, “Robin Cook’s Wasteland,” Simon Jenkins concludes that Yugoslavia was the victim of two mistakes, “one by its own rulers, the other by NATO.” After the bombing “NATO merely shrugged and turned elsewhere. The Danube `blocked for twenty years’? Who cares?”

    Disaster did not end with the termination of bombing on June 10 and the arrival of NATO occupying troops. It was soon clear that the returning Albanian refugees claimed the whole territory for themselves, driving out and killing the local population.

    The KLA went beyond revenge killings to trying to eliminate all traces of Serbian culture in the region by systematically looting, bombing and burning churches and monasteries. Patriarch Pavle, who before his selection as patriarch in 1991 had been Bishop of Kosovo for thirty-four years, warned: “These acts of vandalism cannot be called acts of individual and blind revenge. It is becoming increasingly evident that there is a systematic strategy in the background to annihilate once and for all traces of Serb and Christian culture in Kosovo.” From June to December 1999 some eighty Orthodox churches had been destroyed.

    The most ancient of the churches razed include:

    The 14th century Holy Trinity Monastery, near Suva Reka, looted, set on fire and finally destroyed by explosives.
    14th century St. Cosma and Damian Monastery, Zociste (with frescoes). Monastic quarters looted and set on fire in June. Church destroyed by explosives Sept. 21.
    Church of the Dormition, Suva Reka,, built in 1315, destroyed by explosives. Regarded as one of the most beautiful examples of Byzantine style in Kosovo.
    Monastery of St. Mark, Korisa (near Prizren), 1467, vandalized and set on fire.
    Monastery of Archangel Gabriel in Binac, 14th century with frescoes, set on fire and almost completely demolished.
    Monastery of St. Joanikije, Devic, built around 1440, looted and vandalized, marble tomb of the saint desecrated.
    Church of the Dormition, dedicated to St. King Uros, Gornje Nerodimlje, 14th century, restored in 1996, destroyed by explosives.
    Holy Archangels Monastery (14th century, restored in 17th century), Gornje Nerodimlje, torched and destroyed by explosives, cemetery ruined. The famous “pine of the Emperor Dusan,” originating from the 14th century, cut down and burnt.
    Church of St. Nicholas, Donje Nerodimlje, 14th c., restored 1983, torched and destroyed by explosives.
    Cemetery Church of St. Stephen, Donje Nerodimlje, 14th c., restored in 1996, torched and destroyed by explosives.
    Monastery Church of the Presentation, Dolac. 14th c., frescoed. Vandalized, torched, altar table destroyed. Later the church was completely destroyed by explosives.
    Churches and monasteries that had withstood five centuries of Ottoman rule have been destroyed in a few months.

    Here is Dr. Kesich’s entire article:
    http://www.westsrbdio.org/kosovo_history/index.html

  15. says

    Whether you accept that Albanians are Illyrian or not, linguistic ties to Thracian/Dacian are clear. Were they not those peoples indigenous there? I await your answer with anticipation.

    I do not dislike the Albanians in the least. I dislike their jihad, their warped sense of identity due to Ottoman rule and cultural borrowings, but I do not dislike the Albanian people in any way – or any people for that matter.

  16. says

    Kafir Nonbeliever,

    I did not want a historical or language debate since the situation is much more serious but I will disgress here since albanians and their sponsors have used fake pseudo history along with everything else for their expansionism. here is something about caucauses albania and its origins
    http://www.bakililar.az/ca/eng/

    Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
    Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
    (Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
    Albo-Bushati – Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
    Albo-Baboti – Caucasus-Baboti
    Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
    Albo-Ballagati – Caucasus-Balagati
    Albo-Ballaj,Balli – Caucasus- Bali
    Albo-Bashkimi – Caucasus-Bashkoi
    Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
    Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
    Albo-Geg – Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
    Albo-Demir Kapia – Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: “iron gates”; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
    Albo-Kish, Kisha… – Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with “kish”)
    Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with “Kura”)
    Albo-Luginasi – Caucasus-Lugini
    Albo-Rusani – Caucasus-Rusian
    Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani – Caucasus-Shashani
    Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi – Caucasus-Sheshleti
    Albo-Skalla – Caucasus-Skaleri
    Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, – Caucasus-Shkepi
    Albo-Shkoder – Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
    Albo-Shekulli – Caucasus-Shekouli
    Albo-Skuraj – Caucasus-Skuria

    Furthermore, albanian language such as it is is filled only modern greek,italian and slavic borrowings which shows only its recent evolotion. It doesn’t have any ancient greek or latin which illyrian people must have been in contact with. Every toponym in kosovo and a lot of them in albania are of serbian slavic origin which shows uninterrupted presence in the land

  17. says

    Well in their war of liberation the Serbs really covered themselves with honour didn’t they. Like the Jihadists, the drunken raping murdering Serbian thugs were two sides of a very nasty coin.
    Lets not forget those starving people, and those shallow graves.

    Notice how they dug in a fought to the death when they had real soldiers to fight. Oh my mistake they ran away, what a surprise.

    You can’t be a pig by acting like a pig, you just become a pig.

  18. says

    CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
    ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

    Chechen=aakharkho,Albanian=katundar,Engl ish=peasan t
    Chechen=alsamoo,Albanian=me shume,English=more
    Chechen=aagan,Albanian=eker,English=wild
    Chechen=aara dalan,Albanian=jashte dal,English=get out
    Chechen=aaradaqqa,Albanian=terhoqa,Engli sh=withdra w
    Chechen=aaradovlilla,Albanian=rrugedalje ,English=e xit
    Chechen=aare,Albanian=rrafsh,English=pla in
    Chechen=arzha,Albanian=zeze,English=blac k
    Chechen=aaz,Albanian=ze,English=voice
    Chechen=baarz,Albanian=varr,English=grav e
    Chechen=banka,Albanian=burre,English=man
    Chechen=baar,Albanian=arre,English=nut
    Chechen=bashkhan,Albanian=shkelqyer,Engl ish=excell ent
    Chechen=bekhka,Albanian=borxh,English=de bt,obligat ion
    Chechen=bil ma,Albanian=fal me,English=im sorry
    Chechen=besan,Albanian=zbehte,English=pa le
    Chechen=buha,Albanian=buf,English=owl
    Chechen=cham,Albanian=shijshem,English=t asty
    Chechen=yaalla,waala,Albanian=eja,Englis h=come here
    Chechen=chu,Albanian=hyj,English=get in
    Chechen=daago,Albanian=djeg,English=burn
    Chechen=dahiita,Albanian=dergoj,English= send
    Chechen=dehndi,Albanian=gjedhe,English=c attle
    Chechen=dain,Albanian=drite,English=ligh t
    Chechen=daakhkan,Albanian=gjendem,Englis h=located
    Chechen=delqa,Albanian=dreke,English=lun ch
    Chechen=dowgha,Albanian=djeges,English=h ot
    Chechen=duq,Albanian=aq,English=so many
    Chechen=dyelkha,Albanian=kerkoj,English= to cry
    Chechen=eskar,Albanian=ushtri,English=ar my
    Chechen=ghaighanii,Albanian=hidheroj,Eng lish=make sad
    Chechen=ghaala,Albanian=kala,English=cas tle
    Chechen=gaalat,Albanian=gabim,English=mi stake
    Chechen=ghishto,Albanian=ngrehine,Englis h=building
    Chechen=gharlima,Albanian=ngrirje,Englis h=freezing
    Chechen=goola,Albanian=gju,English=knee
    Chechen=hakkha,Albanian=terheq,English=d raw
    Chechen=hoqa,Albanian=kete,English=this
    Chechen=hostam,Albanian=gozhde,English=n ail
    Chechen=khalkhar,Albanian=kercej,English =dance
    Chechen=khan,Albanian=kohe,English=time
    Chechen=khasbesh,Albanian=kopesht,Englis h=garden
    Chechen=keeda,Albanian=qetem,English=cut
    Chechen=khena,Albanian=kohe,English=weat her
    Chechen=khila,Albanian=qene,English=been
    Chechen=khilam,Albanian=kam,English=have
    Chechen=kho,Albanian=koqeve,English=egg
    Chechen=kog,Albanian=kembe,English=leg,f oot
    Chechen=Iighana,Albanian=Inatosur,Englis h=Angry
    Chechen=nana,Albanian=nene,English=mothe r
    Chechen=Ysh,Albanian=Ishin,english=they were
    Chechen=shu,Albanian=ju,English=you

  19. says

    Hang on to your wallets!

    U.S. Recognizes Kosovo as an Independent State
    Secretary Rice (Feb. 18): The United States has today formally recognized Kosovo as a sovereign and independent state. We congratulate the people of Kosovo on this historic occasion. President Bush has responded affirmatively to a request from Kosovo to establish diplomatic relations between our two countries. The establishment of these relations will reaffirm the special ties of friendship that have linked together the people of the United States and Kosovo…

    http://www.state.gov/

    Some idiots refuse to learn; I think Condi will look nice with a burka over her face in about ten years.

  20. says

    @ PMatovic

    Refrain your antisemitism. You give the name of some Jews and you say it is because of the Jews, but you could have give the same number of names of Jews who where on the opposite side. So the problem is not that some Jews have a different opinion, it is that you already have in your mind the model of “the international Jewry comploting and having a lot of power” against Orthodox Christians, after all don’t you learn that they kill Christ?

    Fresh news: Christ was Jehuda and Jew, and the death punishment on the cross is Roman, Roma being the place of the Vatican today. So as an Orthodox goes fight the Roman Christians if you want, I am sure you can find some in the American Congress as well, but stop pretending that Jews are your enemy because I like Serbian people and I am Jew. Don’t mistake the enemy, Jews are not making Jihad to conquer the world…only antisemitic propaganda says so!

  21. says

    PMatovic wrote,

    “it was mainly the zionist jews agitators in US and elsewhere”

    The above quote is a classic example of anti-Semitic tripe.

    President Bush and Secretary Rice are responsible for this insanity and they are both Christian.

    Please take Elf’s advice and refrain yourself!

    Second, your general statement about Mr. Spencer and his views of the Balkans and Serbia shows that not only have you not paid attention to the articles here at Jihadwatch, but that you didn’t even read this article’s headline.

    The headline clearly makes Mr. Spencer’s position on an independent Kosovo clear.

  22. says

    Bill Clinton bombed Yugoslavia which was the final act in the 1990’s that drove Russia into strategic alignment with China against the West. This has already led to an economic catastrophe for the West which is losing access to oil production.

    American foreign policy since Woodrow Wilson supported Yugoslavia to block German ambitions in the Balkans. Clinton reversed that policy which allowed Germany to expand into the Balkans and to rearm under the cover of the EU which is dominated by Germany. Therefore, Bill Clinton has laid the groundwork for the rise of Germany with all its fascist inclinations (note its very strong support for the fascist Croatians and other fascist elements in the Balkans).

  23. says

    @ PMatovic

    Refrain your antisemitism. You give the name of some Jews and you say it is because of the Jews, but you could have give the same number of names of Jews who where on the opposite side. So the problem is not that some Jews have a different opinion, it is that you already have in your mind the model of “the international Jewry comploting and having a lot of power” against Orthodox Christians, after all don’t you learn that they kill Christ?
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    I could name hundreds of zionists in power in government and media in US but also Canada ,western Europe , jews and non jews alike and just about every jewish organizations that portrayed Serbian people as nazis and all the muslims as angels to be saved from holocaust like conditions which basically incited bombing every inch of serbian land and making a million serbs refugees.

    Most notorious was William Kristol the neocon(talking about crushing serbian skulls) and Tom Friedman New York Times calling for war on entire Serbian people. There is no question that they acted in concert to demonize serbian people along with entire american political and media elite. As I remember it was presented as a way toward jewish muslim friendship and understanding over attacking Serbia where even jewish and muslim american organizations united for the first time . This is my view over the years that has just been reinforced by the other events notably in Iraq .

    I have nothing personal against jewish people but I am not sure it’s other way around. Maybe they see us as easy pickings and risk free bashing. Serb bashing is so common in the western media where I have stopped paying attention.

    I used to be pro israel in their conflicts as I was serbian and we had issues with muslims and I saw jews as victims from the past but I have rarely met them and I wish them peace in Israel despite everything but in my opinion they won’t have the peace due to the nature of that conflict and neither will we until US and Israel are completelly independent of each other and US can behave responsably and without bias in international arena again or the consequences can be truelly awful on global scale

    ————————————————
    Fresh news: Christ was Jehuda and Jew, and the death punishment on the cross is Roman, Roma being the place of the Vatican today. So as an Orthodox goes fight the Roman Christians if you want, I am sure you can find some in the American Congress as well, but stop pretending that Jews are your enemy because I like Serbian people and I am Jew. Don’t mistake the enemy, Jews are not making Jihad to conquer the world…only antisemitic propaganda says so!
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    I am techically orthodox christian but religion was never to my taste personally , in fact most are lacking to me so I don’t base my thinking on religion as I am very much secular and I certainly don’t hold historic grudges or to any ethnic group that has nothing to do with today’s world. My opinions are not based on religious antagonism

    But I must say that I can not see jews as my personal friends or friends to serbian people in general, certainly not after this and all these years. After all it was organized jewish persistence in demonizing serbian people that led to today’s situation , organized jewry in media and positions of power attacked us to appease their muslim rivals and enemies , we never attacked them nor were a threat to them

    You say you like serbian people and I don’t know why is that as that would make you different to just about every jewish person or non jewish zionist in American/Western media and position of power

    As for recognizing friends and enemies , I have a distinct feeling that Israel will recognize the self declared and illegal “kosovo” sooner than say Iran if they ever do , not to mention US and its satellites which is given

  24. says

    PMatovic wrote,

    “it was mainly the zionist jews agitators in US and elsewhere”

    The above quote is a classic example of anti-Semitic tripe.
    ————————————————-

    recognizing that someone acted in concert to achieve a certain result is fact telling, not stereotyping as you allude to. I am pointing out to zionist political elite in Washington , not ordinary jewish person elsewhere

    ————————————————–
    President Bush and Secretary Rice are responsible for this insanity and they are both Christian.
    ————————————————–

    They are actually just inheriting this and politically they are dead ducks so it’s not about them. The people who created this before them in Clinton time are commited zionists, from both parties and Bush himself is a known “chritian zionist” who is pushing for wars against Israeli muslim enemies and rivals and will never withdraw from Iraq mostly because of Israel so I guess he wants to do something for the muslims in his mind at least.

    ————————————————–
    Second, your general statement about Mr. Spencer and his views of the Balkans and Serbia shows that not only have you not paid attention to the articles here at Jihadwatch, but that you didn’t even read this article’s headline.
    ————————————————–

    I have looked around and barely saw anything in the week prior, some little things from long time ago and I thought it was a perfect occasion for Mr Spencer to show his real stand but what I saw is a very timid non critical stance, that is Mr. Spencer seems to be adjusting his opinions to typical american mainstream media/US government view of the world where everything is related to American and Israeli interests and not because some real issues that are truely global. In effect I can hardly see Mr. Spencer criticing US and Iaraeli government on anything such as its recent warmongering on Iran or Iraq war or even its balkan policies. Willfully or not , some issues relating to jihad , islamic fundamentalism, war and terrorsm seem to be skewed to fit a political agenda which is a shame because the issue is global and causes and fuels of this problem seem to be deliberatelly obfuscated and not just by mainstream western media

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    The headline clearly makes Mr. Spencer’s position on an independent Kosovo clear.
    ————————————————–
    Which part? “Free Kosovo”?

  25. says

    “Which part? “Free Kosovo””

    No!

    “Free Kosovo will be a door for Islamic jihadists.”

    Clearly, Mr. Spencer is not a happy about what has occurred. And if you had spent anywhere near as much time as I have here at this site, you would know that he is not saying that he is a supporter of “Free Kosovo” in the sense that he supports a Muslim pro-terrorist state in the heart of Europe.

    I have read all of his books, and “deliberatelly obfuscated” does not apply to Mr. Spencer. Neither does politically correct. He comes under this sort
    of criticism constantly because his pronouncements are either too critical or not critical enough. I suggest you dig much deeper into the archives and do much more research if you want to know where he and Jihadwatch stand.

    Please stop excusing the perfidy of the Bush administration by stating that,

    “They are actually just inheriting this and politically they are dead ducks so it’s not about them.”

    For who among us is not responsible for the considered acts that he commits? No matter what you say, we are all agents of free-will. If Bush and Rice were against this policy, they never would have given it the green-light.

    Lastly, your new statement, –

    “I am pointing out to zionist political elite in Washington , not ordinary jewish person elsewhere”

    – supports what I stated in my previous post.

    It is a shame, because we both agree that what has happened is as the Germans say, eine schande

  26. says

    PMatovic

    There have been a number of articles on Jihadwatch over time on Kosovo. Moreover, James Jatras, Director of the American Council for Kosovo is a member of the JihadWatch board, and Robert Spencer has also collaborated with Srjda Trifkovic on the documentary ‘Islam: What the West needs to know’, and is pretty much on the same page as him on the issue of Serbia.

    I understand your anger against the US, but don’t make enemies of people who are on your side.

  27. says

    Ian:Well in their war of liberation the Serbs really covered themselves with honour didn’t they. Like the Jihadists, the drunken raping murdering Serbian thugs were two sides of a very nasty coin.
    Lets not forget those starving people, and those shallow graves. Notice how they dug in a fought to the death when they had real soldiers to fight. Oh my mistake they ran away, what a surprise. You can’t be a pig by acting like a pig, you just become a pig.

    What a surprise. No facts. Top marks for metaphors and vivid characterisation though. I bet you got many A+s for your English language essays. Top of the class.

    Any and all crimes committed by Yugo troops were punished by the Army. The soldiers were on a very tight leash and prison sentences were handed down for crimes as light as taking bread from a house, even after permission had been given by the household. Tell me a single crime that wasn’t punished by the Serb army, Ian.

    So they ran away when faced with a real army did they? Well, the only reason why they blinked after almost 3 months of round the clock bombing was Slobo was naive enough to believe that NATO weren’t a bunch of Dhimmis. As NATO, of course, were a couple of weeks away from splintering, the Russians were called in to twist Slobo’s arm into accepting, what Slobo thought, would be an Gentleman’s agreement. NATO, natch, didn’t honour the agreement. This is the same NATO which is going into partnership with Taliban-lite over in Afghanistan.

    Snigger

    Once a Dhimmi…….

    Anyway, name a single crime where the Yugo forces didn’t punish the offenders. Some 600 Yugo soldiers were tried for a range of offences during the anti terror operation.

    Kafir Nonbeliever:”the fact that Albanians are the original inhabitants of the area.

    Then why did Ottoman demographics of KosMet state, about 500 years ago, that the ethnic Albanian population was under 5%?

  28. says

    that should have read

    Then why did Ottoman demographics of KosMet state, a couple of 100 years ago, that the ethnic Albanian population was under 5%?

    Silly little me.

  29. says

    Unfortunately some Serbs’ Jew-hatred is not only on par with their anti-Albanian/Moslem feelings but outdoes it.

    During the U.S.-led NATO offensive against Milosovic’s Serbia, the propaganda emanating from the Clinton government likened Serb resistance to the Albanian Moslems to the Genocide perpetrated by the German Nazis against the Jews of the world. Jews in the U.S., ever siding with whomever appears to be the “victim,” sympathized with the fleeing Albanian Moslems who on TV were portrayed as the victims of a genocide.

    Jews, until very recently, were on the whole uninformed about Islam and its design for world-domination. Unfamiliar with the Koran and the Jew-hatred integral to Islamic teachings of Mohammed, they bought into the whine of Islamic “victimhood.”

    There were, and still are, plenty of misguided Jews who feel the pain of the “Palestinian” Arab Moslems. That is why Moslem Arabs are sitting in the Knesset and given full Israeli citizenship in Israel.

    The Jew-hatred of some Serbs does not endear them to Jews who are facing the same Islamic enemy as the Serbs. Who benefits most from Serbian Jew-hatred? The Islamics of course, who like nothing better than to see their opposition divided and fighting amongst itself.

    The Jew-hatred of some Serbs is only outdone by that of the Croats–who embraced the Nazi antisemitism wholeheartedly and without reservations.

    Now, that we have seen the problem, is there a solution? If the Serbs were to lay aside their Jew-hatred–if only for the duration of the war against the jihad–and concentrate on trying to keep Moslems out of Europe as they did for centuries, their cause would be better served.

    As for the Jews, they do not have an inbred hatred of Serbs. Some Jewish-Americans misguided sympathy for Clinton-bolstered “Kosovars” was not based on hatred of Serbs but on empathy for the apparent “victims.” Moslems are always good at playing the role of “victims.”

    Although accused of hatred of non-Jews by their enemies, Jews as a whole suffer from lack of this emotion as deplored by Ben Hecht:
    “What we dream of is”Jews strong enough and honest enough to hate their killers …” –Ben Hecht

  30. says

    The Serbs are very grateful to Israel who were the Serbs biggest allies in the civil wars.

    The KLA and Bosnians got huge help from Bin Laden, whilst the Slobo signed deals for huge arms shipments from Israeli arms dealers.

    They got the latest in Israeli communications, the Bosnian Serb MUP were kitted out in israeli gear, blah blah blah.

    The Serbs rescued many Jews from the NAZIs and suffered almost as horrendously as the Jews did.

    End of story.

  31. says

    @ PMatovic

    I come to appreciate Serbian people because I worked with some during the war of ex-Yugoslavia, and I was able to understand their point of view and their pain when like you they read the Western medias. I also learn about the fierce resistance of the Orthodox axis against the ottoman invasion.

    @ unicorns62000

    I totally agree with you analysis. A lot of Jews are impulsively triggered to defend victims… even if it is only a role played for public opinion and worst even against their vital interest! As for hatred, it is a sin worst than murder because it can kill many. Some are working hard to explain why islamophobia is a sane reaction for anyone who reads the koran but incredibly in face of our painful history most Jews cannot even believe in hatred…that is maybe why the holocaust is such a trauma because we cannot understand it.

  32. says

    “Most notorious was William Kristol the neocon(talking about crushing serbian skulls) and Tom Friedman New York Times calling for war on entire Serbian people. There is no question that they acted in concert to demonize serbian people along with entire american political and media elite. As I remember it was presented as a way toward jewish muslim friendship and understanding over attacking Serbia where even jewish and muslim american organizations united for the first time . This is my view over the years that has just been reinforced by the other events notably in Iraq .”

    I agree with you about Kristol, and some others, but I don’t see what they are doing as part of being Jewish.

    The Neocons are not exclusively Jewish, and they have an ideology unto themselves. It is an insane utopian ideology that will lead to death and distruction of innocent people, and destabilization of states leading to greater tyranny, like Communism was. But it is not distinctionly Jewish or Zionist.

    I support Israel (one might call me Zionist, although that seems inappropriate because my reasons are basic universal Justice and not anything particularly of a religious tradition, neither Evangelical Christainity nor Judaism).

    I think most Jews at their core genuinely care about and support Western civilization and its principles (which, if applied sanely and open-eyed to E. Europe, would not lead to this Kosovo mess). And I think that Judaism is an honorable religion, nothing like Islam. There is nothing in any of the personal, cultural, or religious factors that group together Jews as Jews that is behind the problem with tarring the Serbs.

    For that larger explanation you have to go beyond Judaism and Jewish people, and into a category of people united by Neoconservative ideology. That, in my opinion, is how to explain the Kristol connexion.

    And Yes – absolutely Neocons want to befriend the Muslims against the E. Europeans. The motivations are complicated. It is in part because remnant cold war beliefs, in part also I think because of memory of how E. Europe mistreated Jews historically (of course that isn’t to say all Jews accept the Neocon feelings of how to deal with this history). What the Neocons are doing is a bit more like what (non-Jewish) W. Europe political elite leftists are doing with the Jews: we’ll sell you out in an attempt to appease the Muslims.

    (Aside, I think the Neocon variety of this approach in elite “Conservative” circles, is also at least in part an influence behind D’Souza’s attempt to ally American religious rightwingers with Muslims against Liberals, in contempt of individual rights and natural God-given liberties.)

    In part also is that the Neocons have deep issues with a sort of hollow “respecting” of religion, and have fallen under the “Islam is peace” spell just as much as any far left liberal you’ll find. Neoconservatives are largely nihilists that have half-found religion through philosophy, and think people can use is as some sort of amorphous Nietzschen tool for obtaining a sense of personal and social meaning.

    They have this preexisting reason for wanting, needing, to believe Islam is good – they see it, as all realigion, as coming from a deeper universal person yearning that makes people more than biological machines, but as not strictly true. Islam they put in this category, and it precludes them from seeing it as not an organic outgrowing of this desire, or a chosen match for it, but as a religion people by and large actually adopted to avoid discrimination, lower status, onerous taxes, or a knife to the throat.

    Even if they do see the latter, they don’t see how the latter means that it is quite possible the religion is incompatible with the former; they don’t see how the later circumstance removes all checks that the ideology conform to the former desire. No matter its texts, or the circumstances of its spread; they’d rather think all religions are infinetly maleable to fit the inner desire, because the Neocons are ideologically married to certain ideas about what all religion is.

    You’ll get a sense of it, of their conviction that religion is all inherently good and necessary, yet not real exactly except in how people use them (very post modern), and a sense of how this influences their politics and approach to Islam, if you read their publications regularly, at least for a while, and browse some of their founding philosophy.

    This motivates much of their policy, in coordination with their never-discarded cold-war outlook and, it seems for some Jewish Neocons, an anti-E. Euro vengeful streak, for past historical injustices (totally the wrong way to react to those past injustices, as now the main threat is not E. Euro pogroms, but Muslims wanting Jews wiped of the map for religious reasons).

    At the same time you do have a lot of people, Jews and not Jews, buying the propaganda Washington has been putting out over the years. They aren’t Neocons, such people, but they’ve been propagandized into going along with their policies. This group categorizes not as Jews or Neocons, but as dupes.