Where are the peaceful Muslims rising up and arguing within Muslim communities against the religious foundation of this appeal?
"Turkish Islamist Website: Each Muslim Must Kill An Infidel For Allah's Grace," from the MEMRI Blog (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):
"Hey America, We Have An Account To Settle With You!""If you want Allah to grant you victory, every one of you must kill an infidel!"
"The virtueous Sheikh Khaled er-Rashid - May Allah Save Him From Captivity"
Source: Turkish Islamist website Takva.com
That will all dissapear if we make turkey an EU member and let them all roam free in Europe...right?
What a twisted sense of grace these people have--diabolic!
They are insane. Truly insane. Homicidal maniacs.
This doesn't get reported on the mainstream news!
This doesn't get reported on the mainstream news!
The question is "Why?"
By all means, let's let "moderate" Turkey into the E.U. If the Europeans even entertain this idea, they are completley lost already.
we have bombs, lets use them.
Grace and mercy in Judeo-Christian terms are the complete opposite to this “grace and mercy” or lack thereof in Islam.
"Where are the peaceful Muslims rising up and arguing within Muslim communities against the religious foundation of this appeal"?-Robert
You are absolutely right and the fact that all of this is well founded in the Quran and Muslim dogma (including the Jew-hating by Muslims) is reality. We get nowhere in the Mideast or elsewhere until we all deal with reality on the matter.
The problem here is that there are two types of "moderate Muslims" in this. One is a passive app-rover of this kind of Muslim violence-supremacism and the other is like Scarlet O'Hara in Gone With the Wind ("I'll think about that unpleasantness tomorrow"). The second group is between a rock and a hard place. To admit the Quranic roots of this unpleasant reality is as if the Sermon on the Mount were advocating violence and Christians admitted that it is central to the message of Christ. Then what?
What do they do about it once it's admitted? Do they say Muhammed and Allah got it wrong? It's two lousy choices for Scarlet.
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This locks up Turkey's bid fo' sure.
Let me review my status list:
IRAQ, check.
AFGANISTAN, check.
IRAN, pending.
PAKISTAN, pending.
TURKEY, stand by.
SUDAN, stand by.
YEMEN, stand by.
SAUDI ARABIA, stand by.
SOMALIA, stand by.
NIGERIA, stand by.
INDONESIA, stand by.
THE PHILLIPINES, stand by.
Any questions?
They are insane. Truly insane.
Darcy,
You're too kind. Calling them insane frees them of all responsibility for their acts. It's like saying that they can't help being what they are. But they can. They are not without the power to do good. They just choose not to exercise it.
They are not insane. They are murderers.
Robert-
You are getting the bricks and bats thrown at you from two groups of Muslims. One group just does not want the cat out of the bag re the Quanic and Muslim theological roots of the violence, supremacism, deception, etc. The other group sees you as a bearer of bad news that, if admitted, forces them to do something about the problem. The second group is truly between a rock and a hard place.
Once Muslims, in any large numbers admit the facts, then they have to do something about them, and somewhat like such admissions in the USSR (the need for "reform"), "reform" could go straight to collapse.
Their situation is not unlike the USSR. Once the problems were admitted it was realized nothing could be done about them. That ended the USSR.
Is that a dare?
"What do they do about it once it's admitted? Do they say Muhammed and Allah got it wrong?" --posted by Frank
They say, "Well, yeah, it's obvious that con man false profit Mo made this whole Islam thing up for his own megalomaniacal, narcissistic, pathological, benefit - so, yeah, let's call the whole thing off. We realize in 2008 that yes, our "religion" is not only insane, but evil. And so we're going to stop mass-murdering innocent people now!!!"
And the whole world celebrates!
Darcy,
You're too kind. Calling them insane frees them of all responsibility for their acts. It's like saying that they can't help being what they are. But they can. They are not without the power to do good. They just choose not to exercise it.
They are not insane. They are murderers.
Posted by: PMK at February 11, 2008 11:45 AM
Well, I don't consider calling a group of people insane "kind," PMK (!) - but, OK, you're right, they are in reality, they know exactly what they're doing (following the Q), and they *are* murderers.
"One group just does not want the cat out of the bag re the Quanic and Muslim theological roots of the violence, supremacism, deception, etc. The other group sees you as a bearer of bad news that, if admitted, forces them to do something about the problem. The second group is truly between a rock and a hard place."
by Frank
Maybe the first group is in denial but the second group has no leg to stand on and that makes it worse than the first. The second group knows that what is being done is wrong but admitting it is inconvenient. That makes them just as culpable, if not more so.
The second group might not have chosen jihad but they'll accept its fruits, all the same. If the West prevails, they'll say: hey we were with you the whole time, but we just couldn't say so. That's where they're wrong. They could say so and they chose not to, and they chose to do nothing when the chips were down. Consequently, their word means nothing.
Darcy-
Leonid Brezhnev (in confidence-about 1975) once told his daughter that the USSR and Communism "are a total failure". Yet, during his premiership, he led the gallery in saying that Communism was peachy-keen, and the USSR was very aggressive in the 1970's and early 1980's.
He knew the pope was right (yet he ordered him hit), he knew Solzhenitsyn was right and exiled him, and when Andropov (Brezhnev's pal) followed Brezhnev (1982), the Soviets gunned down an unarmed Korean passenger jet, and lied about that. They could not admit the truth and feared anyone who called for "reform".
So they attacked, attacked, attacked, anyone who criticised their belief-system. The more insecure they became, the more arrogant and aggressive they became, the more they denied the facts.
Brezhnev and Andropov were right to attack the reformers if a system is more important than facts and reality. But as Yeltsin noted, after the collapse of the USSR, it was a society of hypocrites that had to collapse once people were allowed to openly criticize it.
PMK-
Agree. I think it was William James who said that "the meaning of a belief are its consequences". The belief-system's dogmas have the same deadly consequence because of the silence of each on the real dogmas of Islam. Only their motives are different.
Kevin;
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PMK; you're right: they're murderers. End of discussion.
Once Muslims, in any large numbers admit the facts, then they have to do something about them, and somewhat like such admissions in the USSR (the need for "reform"), "reform" could go straight to collapse.
Frank, I've never known you to be sanguine.
Your rank-and-file commie never bought into the Marxist bullcrap, and most deried it in private. They were forced to play ball living under the thumb of the Pelosi-style apparatchik until they had nothing left to eat. Then it was time to revolt.
By stark contrast, Moslems eat bullcrap, and like doing so. They revel in the crap's sour taste, and in the rituals of serving it up, and the drippings it leaves on their noses and chins. They love Islam's bullcrap. A lot. So the idea of Moslems questioning Islam is inimicable to their how their brainwashed thought patterns can accomplish at their stunted limits.
In other words, Moslems cannot be reformed, by George Bush, Tony Blair, or by themselves. This is so, no matter how dire the circumstances become for them.
There is only one way to take the Islam out of the Moslem, and we all know what that is...
Once Muslims, in any large numbers admit the facts, then they have to do something about them, and somewhat like such admissions in the USSR (the need for "reform"), "reform" could go straight to collapse.
Frank, I've never known you to be sanguine.
Your rank-and-file commie never bought into the Marxist bullcrap, and most deried it in private. They were forced to play ball living under the thumb of the Pelosi-style apparatchik until they had nothing left to eat. Then it was time to revolt.
By stark contrast, Moslems eat bullcrap, and like doing so. They revel in the crap's sour taste, and in the rituals of serving it up, and the drippings it leaves on their noses and chins. They love Islam's bullcrap. A lot. So the idea of Moslems questioning Islam is inimicable to their how their brainwashed thought patterns can accomplish at their stunted limits.
In other words, Moslems cannot be reformed, by George Bush, Tony Blair, or by themselves. This is so, no matter how dire the circumstances become for them.
There is only one way to take the Islam out of the Moslem, and we all know what that is...
Alarmed Pig Farmer-
Yeltsin noted the widespread public hypocracy in the USSR. Brezhnev told his daughter that the production reports he got were worthless. He had no idea what the truth was-and he was the top guy in the system. There was indeed an awful lot of winking going on in the old USSR when it came to the pretend game.
You are right-too many of these guys are like the pockets of Nazi-true-believers at Stalingrad who fought to the last man. Man the Red Army guys were pissed when they finally got to the Nazi hold-outs. The Red Army guys executed them on the spot. They were not cheerfully optimistic (sanguine) re their "reform".
Yeah, it's depressing that the Moslems are true believers, making them that much more intractable as an infection. To exacerbate the whole deal, Western populations are on the Moslem bandwagon, even after 9/11, 7/7, and so many other Jihadic acts.
They are not insane. They are murderers. - posted by PMK
"Murderers" describes just one aspect of their pious behavior. However, the Jihadist mindset does resemble delusional, malignant narcisstic, sociopathic, paranoia with a persecution-complex.
Legally insane? No. But severely demented whilst striving for their post-mortem admission into Allah's eternal sex orgy? Welcome to Jihad.
Alarmed Pig Farmer-
It didn't matter the the USSR didn't "work" -- as long as those on top managed to keep the scam going, those on top lived an aristocratic lifestyle. Therefore, it DID work for those on top, for as long as it lasted
Similarly, Islam works for those on the top of the heap. It legitimizes their position, gives them status, wealth, and women, and allows them a lifestyle that they would not enjoy if they had to play by Western society's rules.
Islam must be analyzed by seeing who benefits by how it currently is, and what they are doing to maintain and extend the status quo
It didn't matter the the USSR didn't "work" -- as long as those on top managed to keep the scam going, those on top lived an aristocratic lifestyle. Therefore, it DID work for those on top, for as long as it lasted-PapaBear....
You are on to the truth here, PapaBear. The same thing goes on in Islam where Black-African-race people serve their Arab masters, e.g. and pretend to themselves that they would ever be accepted in any large numbers Arab-racist-Saudi Arabia. (Meanwhile Fibrahim "Little Dick" Hooper and the CAIR-liars do the "racist" game in the good ol USA-where Somalis, etc. have been accepted.) Fibrahim "Little Dick" Hooper doesn't know it yet-but the game is over.
So many times I notice that people from bourgeois classes present their selfishness as if it is some kind of disinterested principal. They usually use some ideology, some "ism", to hide their predatory nature-but it all comes out the same. The only classes that really matter are socio-economic classes. And, trust me, these morons will find some way (an ism) to try to divert attention from that. Islam, like all other ideologies, is also a cover for exploitation.
They tell us that they intend to kill us.
What is our reaction? Oh, we put them to work in our most sensitive positions in government. We open the borders to more Saudi "students." We just do not believe what they are telling us. Isn't that called stupidity?
Though I am a social conservative, and am a believer in private property and the profit motive as the best engines of general wealth production in society, I find myself in remarkable agreement with Stalin in his emphasis on socio-economic class as crucial to understanding exploitation in society. He was not wrong on that. In modern America, the "visual diversity" game is a good example of what Stalin saw through. He was not all wrong. He was very cynical re bourgeois "liberalism". So am I.
Why, for example, should some privileged creep from Saudi Arabia be at Harvard as opposed to some GI from Iraq. Try some "out-reach" there. They can't find a working-class GI in Iraq with a higher IQ (180, e.g.) than the privileged Saudi?-LOL. I don't believe it. The system is a scam. It is about socio-economic class. Even in Islam, the exploited (Somalis, e.g.) serve the Arab masters. So much is class exploitation hidden as disinterested ideological or "religious" principal.
Not suprising, they are just doing as their "god" and "holy book" tells them.
They tell us that they intend to kill us.
What is our reaction? Oh, we put them to work in our most sensitive positions in government. We open the borders to more Saudi "students." We just do not believe what they are telling us. Isn't that called stupidity?
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Call it naivete. THEY tell us they intend to kill us but here again the individual "student" is able to pass himself off as just a guy looking for a better life. Judging him by the actions of someone in a mosque in Riyadh is considered unfair and a form of bigotry. We are blaming this one individual for the acts of others when he has done nothing wrong. Our society celebrates the individual. Either every Muslim is a jihadist, meaning we must get rid of them all, or there are good Muslims and there are bad Muslims. As long as we cling to the second notion, we'll be in danger. We can't monitor every Muslim. Either we ban them or we accept the danger that a few might slip past the most extensive filtering system we can ever devise.
"Where are the peaceful Muslims rising up and arguing within Muslim communities against the religious foundation of this appeal?"
Yeah, where are they? They certainly are in small numbers, even on this forum, and all we generally get are trolls defending terrorism complete with nasty name calling and bitter fighting. We truly live in a world gone mad.
You are right, champ. America has gone insane from the lies of multiculturalism and diversity.
He's got to be a member of the US' Democratic party!
Could he be moonlighting by working on Senator Obama's Presidential campaign part-time?
pythagoras
you've been saying for some time now that Islam is a common-or-garden human sacrifice cult in disguise.
Statements like this one from takva.com - 'if you want allah to grant you victory, every one of you must kill an infidel' - make me think you are onto something.