Do you think the prevailing relativist multiculturalism helped or hindered this effort? "Revealed: Islamist extremists have penetrated the heart of Britain," from the Evening Standard (thanks to all who sent this in):
Islamist extremists have infiltrated Government and key public utilities to pass sensitive information to terrorists, the security services have warned.Counter-terrorism officials say "insiders" or their associates are almost certainly working "undetected" in sensitive posts and are actively supporting the activities of extremists.
In some cases, lifelong relationships between friends or relatives are being exploited to obtain crucial information from those in sensitive posts.
The development is detailed in intelligence reports circulated to the Home Office, police and Whitehall officials.
The London Underground, Gatwick airport and BT are cited as examples of organisations which have been targeted by individuals linked to terrorists.
Officials say the idea of "penetrating the enemy is pervasive" for Islamist extremists.
It is understood a number of suspected jihadists working in Government departments and the public services are being monitored by the security services.
Read it all.
What will it take for people to wake up?
But how can Infidels, unless they have undergone intensive training to render them as sensitive to little hints -- the way that the apostates are so good at picking up those little hints --- so as to be able to distinguish the true "moderate" from the feigning "moderate" Muslim"? And how can Infidels, unless we are all to become as adept as, one hopes, at least some members of the Western security forces (say, the Israeli or the French) have become, at detecting when someone who was a "moderate" has had a change of heart, has "got religion" yet again -- possibly because of some working-upon him by outsiders (even a family member), possibly because he has reacted to some political event that has made him more eager to participate in Jihad, possibly because of a personal setback -- loss of a hoped-for promotion or raise, loss of status, loss of a girlfriend, loss of a boyfriend, loss of this or loss of that, or perhaps simply one of those drops in the serotonin level the source of which cannot be found -- and so, in psychic compensation, turns to Islam, Islam, Islam?
And since "it is understood a number of suspected jihadists working in Government departments and the public services are being monitored by the security services" one must ask -- what is the fantastic cost, what is the fantastic disruption, caused by all this monitoring of those "suspected jihadists" working "in Government departments and the public services"?
I will repeat it again, not for the last time:
"The large-scale presence of Muslims in Infidel lands has lead to a situation, both for the indigenous Infidels and for non-Muslim immigrants, that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence."
Do you agree, or do you disagree?
If you agree (and only a fool would disagree) then we come to the question: what do you think are the most rational, minimal steps to be taken, right now, to limit that unpleasantness, that growing expense, that increasing physical danger?
When the link to the story is clicked on, and one finishes reading that story, another one, related to the first, can be found just below:
The terrorist traffic warden
A terrorist jailed for his involvement in a bomb attack on the Paris Metro later came to England and got a job as a traffic warden.
Mustapha Boutarfa, 32, was arrested by Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist squad in 1996 and extradited from Britain to France two years later.
He stood trial for his auxiliary role in the 1995 attack on the St Michel station by a notorious Islamist militant group, in which eight were killed and 80 wounded, and was given a two-year prison sentence.
But after his release, Boutarfa, who held dual French and Algerian nationality, managed to get back into the UK with his wife and children and secured the job as a parking attendant in Richmond-upon-Thames, Surrey, with NCP Services.
Boutarfa's secret would probably never have come to light had he not accused a van driver of assaulting him in a row over a parking ticket in October 2005.
It led to the sensational disclosure about his past in open court.
That case was then dropped and he was charged with fraud but walked away with a 12-month suspended sentence. He has quit his job.
It is still not clear how he was allowed back into Britain.
More from the full story:
"They [Muslim infiltrators] may also try to obtain information or intelligence to help them to carry out acts of terrorism.
This involves getting access to premises or individuals "with the immediate purpose" of mounting an attack or obtaining sensitive information to facilitate a later atrocity.
The extremists might also seek information which is of "indirect use" to the planning of a terrorist attack - such as getting access to banking information to raise money through fraud, gaining insider knowledge about airport security and surveillance measures on the London Underground.
Security sources say there is evidence that UK-based terrorists have discussed the possibility of attacking national infrastructure targets with the help of a "sympathetic insider".
MI5 has warned in the past that suspects with "strong links" to Osama bin Laden have tried to join the British security services and, in January last year, exiled radical Omar Bakri claimed that Islamist extremists were infiltrating the police and other public sector organisations."
Please note, in the third paragraph above, this phrase: "getting access to banking information to raise money through fraud..."
A likely accomploice, to Jerome Kerviel in the Societe Generale scandal, has been identified as one Moussa Bakir. Let's assume that these trades which resulted in a loss of more than $7 billion were accidental, unintentional.
Now let's assume, that at some London or New York banks or other financial institutions, a handful of Muslims manage to infiltrate the trading desks and the back-rooms where settlements are made, and coordinate an "attack" on the very institution they work for, by deliberately trying to lose money, rather than -- as is likely in the Societe General case, simply making wild bets. Would it not be possible to inflict great economic harm on this or that financial institution? And could such measures not be undertaken in collaboration with powerful Saudi or Emiratian or other Arab Muslim financial interests, not only to make sure that they could be the beneficiares (on the other sides of trades they would know about), but also as potential buyers-up of majority interests in certain Western banks, once their stock prices had been deliberately damaged by the activities of certain employees?
And how hard would it be for the Saudis to spirit such people out of the country, once they had accomplished what they had accomplished, and provide them with every luxury, for the rest of their lives, and possibly new identites in case they wished to travel abroad?
The stuff of fiction? Yes, it is certainly that --more than one book is already being written based on suggestions made at this website (google "alfarrabista" for more). But isn't it also the stuff of conceivable future fact?
more likely that home grown obnoxious organisation common purpose. If you don't what it is google it. It is in many ways more dangerous to our freedoms than Islam.It is registered as a charity and boy is that a joke.
Britain? Of course.
But look at America! is it any better there?
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/02/11/hesham-islam-gets-the-boot/
Know that every part of our infrastructure is vulnerable, since muslims sit in power stations program computers and are the weak link in security everyware.
Muslims work in license department ,in places when companies clean uniforms,They know where every policeman in your town lives.
I await a modern Leonidas to lead us against this invasion. Sooner or later it will boil down to this to save ourselves. Meanwhile train, and keep the powder dry, because if the Democrats win in America the aptly named "war on terror will be downgraded to a "war on explosives" brace yourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QLkg7jefE8&feature=related
what do you think are the most rational, minimal steps to be taken, right now, to limit that unpleasantness, that growing expense, that increasing physical danger?
The question should have been raised soon after Munich Massacre 1972. Today is 2008. I was a very little boy back then, living among Muslims. I asked my school teach, "Will Europe keep them out forever now?" He said, "The terrorists were Europeans."
Now, it's only a matter of time before we see the Islamic nuclear explosion in Europe. Nuclear jihad has begun since the 1971 India-Pakistan War. Only the naives would believe that nuclear technology is still a cutting edge technology. No, Jose!
Now, nuclear scientists and engineers are dime-a-dozen everywhere.
36 years have gone passed. Why ask now?
Now is the time to keep you eyes on football games on your plasma TV.
Sleep tight!
With Karen Hughes and "Sensitivity Training" for CIA and FBI, Bush has practically invited infiltration. Jihadis would be fools to pass such a red-carpet welcome to infiltration.
How is the Prime Ministers new 'Anti-Islamic' wording going to explain this?
Is it by being a terrorist is 'Anti-Islamic' but aiding a terrorist is 'Islamic' and acceptable?
I suggest that everyone here should now follow Robert's link to the original article, and post a comment (so far, it has not garnered very many).
Two or three people could remark upon the vast trouble and expense of 'monitoring' all these suspected jihad spies, then post Hugh's signature paragraph:
"The large-scale presence of Muslims in Infidel lands has led to a situation, both for the indigenous Infidels and for non-Muslim immigrants, that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence."
As Germans to Nazis in Britain and throughout the Allied lands from the 1930s through to 1945, so, for all practical and prudential purposes, it must be assumed, are Muslims to Jihadis.
Nazis were mostly German, though they had plenty of dupes and fellow travellers. One scrutinised Germans in order to find the key Nazis.
The Jihadis, the Muslim Brotherhood dreaming of a worldwide theocratic gulag under a Muslim despot or despots, they are, one and all, Muslims, and are concealed within, swim within the sea of, the Ummah. Given the nature of the Islamic foundational texts and the relationship between those texts and the recorded history of Islam, Infidel governments CANNOT prima facie trust any Muslim, no matter how plausible. Scrutinise the Muslims and you will find the Jihad preachers and plotters, and the architects of sharia creep.
Time to search, from top to bottom, every mosque in Britain.
I see no way out of Britain's situation beyond presenting an ultimatum to every Muslim resident: apostasise, publicly, permanently - or leave.
The level of deliberate deception involved in this long-term infiltration of government and public utilities - all with the abominable aim of transforming Britain, and every other country in the entire world, into a corrupt, cruel, despotic, chaotic hell-hole just like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Gaza, Pakistan or Afghanistan - makes me physically sick to contemplate.
Wow...I mean this is just really shocking. And so surprising since hiring German Nazis to work in sensitive government positions during WW2 worked out so well for the British. Oh no...wait...they didn't do that.
Trust the crocodiles!
They smile and have tears in their eyes.
Trust them!
Poor Britain! Churchill must be rolling over in his grave!! I heard on the radio the other day that sharia law will certainly come to Britain soon. Muslims will be able to have divorce proceedings, etc. decided by Islamic "courts." I almost hit the car in front of me when I heard this!!
Wake up America, wake up!!!
When is it the right time to purge a government (of enemies of the state)? When it's the enemy that's doing the purging?
And so surprising since hiring German Nazis to work in sensitive government positions during WW2 worked out so well for the British. Oh no...wait...they didn't do that.
Back then we had a leader with balls.
Now we have Islamophiles, jihadist apologists, embezzlers, the greedy, the even greedier and vote riggers.
Surrounded by ninconpoops and ninnys!
We are being undermined while the air heads try and legitimise if not encourage the problem with more religous tollerance speeches and namby pamby propoganda booklets. For every thinktank that advises us to 'do this' or 'do that' we errode another path of thought that is BRITISH and not this Islamic time-bomb which is now in the delicate system of national security. Its truly mind boggling and heart wrenching to see how this unfolds.
The unspeakable link between Islam and Jihad gets burried by NuLabour. Only to have the ArchDhimmie highlight NuLabours fiasco with the unregulated Sharia Courts that rule on things like divorce and violent crimes,All under the radar all hushed up all an unspeakable issue.
When will this maddness end!
This madness can only end when we withdraw from the EU and thereby axe the human rights laws, which were designed to serve the criminal and appease minorities.
watling:"This madness can only end when we withdraw from the EU and thereby axe the human rights laws, which were designed to serve the criminal and appease minorities."
Well, well said, that man
Hugh asks:
"If you agree (and only a fool would disagree) then we come to the question: what do you think are the most rational, minimal steps to be taken, right now, to limit that unpleasantness, that growing expense, that increasing physical danger?"
It is not at all complicated.
Send ALL Muslims, without exception, back to their lands of origin or to Muslim lands that are willing to accept them.
We are aware of the "bad" Muslims, those who loudly proclaim that they desire to destroy us and our civilization and of those murderers who constantly try.
All the rest of the Muslims, the speechless ones, the silent majority, are assumed to be "good" Muslims.
Unfortunately, it is virtually impossible to differentiate "good" "from" bad.
Taquiya makes EVERY Muslim a potential "bad" guy.
ALL Muslims believe in the immutable, obscene Koran. The Koran instructs all Muslims "good" and "bad" to:
convert all Infidels - non Muslims to Islam
or degrade them and make them subservient to Muslims
or kill them.
That includes you and me.
There are huge empty areas of the Middle East including the Sahara and the Sinai that, with intelligence and hard work and and modern technology and the massive funding presently being wasted on millions of shiftless refugees and obscene armaments and the billions of dollars currently being spent world wide as defense against these bloodthirsty cretins, could be turned into self sustaining entities that would provide their inhabitants decent livelihoods and instill pride in their accomplishments and, above all, a respected, useful place in our modern world.
The bugler is ready to play taps for a once great nation.
Does she have it in her to rouse herself ?
Is the Bishop of Canterbury deranged or the sanest man around ?
Stay tuned.......
"Counter-terrorism officials say "insiders" or their associates are almost certainly working "undetected" in sensitive posts and are actively supporting the activities of extremists."
Of course they are. This has been promoted through the wrong-headed political concept of multiculturalism. We live in a country that actively encourages positive discrimination. Positive discrimination has done nothing but allow people to gain higher positions, not based on their ability, but on their race and religion. This is a recipe for disaster. "The best person for the job" is what it has to be, irrespective of race or religion.
If I was an Islamofascist I would use every law, every advantage, to gain a position of trust or power. That's how infiltration has always worked.
Our government thinks it is being fair and even handed when it allows immigrant communities to have a say about the way the country is run in the name of multiculturalism, they're not, they are being useful idiots.
Since the terrorist attacks in July 2005 and for every attempt since, we have seen the Muslim "community" gain ever more power in our country, both legally and politically. This has happened because the "muslim community" has made such a big noise in the media about the non-existent backlash following the homicide bombers. Our government has bent over backwards to accommodate them. This, in turn, has encouraged the "extremists" who portray themselves as the "muslim community" to push on and use our laws against us.
Islam has always been about spreading the power of Islam, not about convincing people of the merits. I have tried to see it any other way (I have read everything I can find written by both muslims and non-muslims) but I can't see this "religion of peace" you talk about, all I see is a use of the phrase "religion of peace" to mean "there will be peace when everyone comes under the boot of islam, like it or not."
We are in the midst of a modern day Islamic crusade. We either accept that and deal with it, or our way of life dies and we all wind the clock back fourteen hundred years.
If you want to live in my country, live by my rules. If not, there are plenty of countries you can live in that follow your way thinking. Go and live in one of them.