Fitna on Google Video

Thank you, JihadWatch, for your great courage!

Surely this film should get downloaded and produced on a great many sites. Unfortunately, the message is out that they are plenty of mindless Muslim zombies out there that will murder real human beings to kill freedom of speech.

How can we get dvd's of this sent to U.S. Congressmen/women

If the Google link fails, I have another one at this posting.

Nothing insulting to islam there. What a bunch of sensitive babies.

It is amazing how willfully ignorant our 'leaders' are when it comes to pigslam!

A HUGE THANK YOU to Mr. Geert Wilders for being willing to stand up all by himself to speak for us all.

SHAME on the islamultikulti Quislings and Chamberlains we have in office who continue to betray us.

See Sarkozy who ran on a Freedom platform and what has he been doing since Day One..?

We know what he's been doing.

Et toi, Sarko?

here is another link in you tube and is in english(and is working correct I just check it):
part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDlqNuPULc

part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=5_4oreTDvWM

I guess spamming is allowed for once. Here is another link:

http://www.fok.nl/mirror/fitna.html

Whenever one goes down another one will go up, they can't stop us this time.

Horstkrautwurst anti-jihad channel also hosts "Fitna" on Veoh...

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6533621XmPsXR86?c=islam-critical-documentation

Keep a downloaded copy handy, and load it up, just in case Google Video pulls this

I must admit, that although fighting against these NON-HUMANS for the past seven years, and seeing many things, I still had to turn away from the beheading. I know exactly the scene, as I have played it through in my head many times, and that is why I WILL NEVER GIVE UP OR GIVE IN to these lower than human forms of life worshiping a death cult!
Thank you Robert and all at JW!
Never give in!

I knew that islam was akind of cult,but now I know that it is infact an evilish cult.We have to keep up this fight.This probably is the only way to convince the ignorant nonmuslims that Islam is not apeacefull atall, inspite of what our leaders have to say.Thankyou Mr Spencer.

i've been looking forward to this. great movie and awesome use of the koran against islam. i've forwarded it to a number of people i hope they're smart enough to look at it

Why dont muslim governments arrest these imams?

Why dont muslim governments arrest these imams?

One more suggestion - can you make this the link for the main page margin icon 'See the movie Fitna'?

Thanks, KK!

"I knew that islam was akind of cult,but now I know that it is infact an evilish cult.We have to keep up this fight.This probably is the only way to convince the ignorant nonmuslims that Islam is not apeacefull atall, inspite of what our leaders have to say.Thankyou Mr Spencer."

Posted by: kk

Thanks for that comment, kk. We are all grateful for Robert Spencer - not only for bringing us face to face with the truth about Muhammad, Islam, and the Qur'an, but for bringing us current events throughout the world that the media doesn't dare discuss; and also for giving us a platform with which we can both learn and grow, and a forum that allows us to be a part of fighting this evil ideology known as Islam.

Islam be gone!

I think your site is great. I think this site exposes the truth. BUT WHY NOT HOST THIS VIDEO YOURSELF ? Why link to other sites that will obviously cave sooner or later ? Is it a bandwidth issue for you ? It unfortunate that Liveleak after all these years of what they have done...remembering Ogrish.org...that they would cave. Seems like this is the perfect site to step up and give this movie a permanent home.

I think your site is great. I think this site exposes the truth. BUT WHY NOT HOST THIS VIDEO YOURSELF ? Why link to other sites that will obviously cave sooner or later ? Is it a bandwidth issue for you ? It unfortunate that Liveleak after all these years of what they have done...remembering Ogrish.org...that they would cave. Seems like this is the perfect site to step up and give this movie a permanent home.

I think your site is great. I think this site exposes the truth. BUT WHY NOT HOST THIS VIDEO YOURSELF ? Why link to other sites that will obviously cave sooner or later ? Is it a bandwidth issue for you ? It unfortunate that Liveleak after all these years of what they have done...remembering Ogrish.org...that they would cave. Seems like this is the perfect site to step up and give this movie a permanent home.

Sounds like you all agree with Geert Wilders..
Don't know which country y'all are from, I am Dutch and that man is in my gouvernement.
This Geert Wilders makes the laws of my country. You thank him for standig up for all of us, but I don't .
This man, who reigns my country, my people, created a danger for all Dutch people who live in Muslim countries. He created a bigger chance for terrorism attacks in Holland. He stood up for his people and put them in danger.
Off course I agree with Wilders that we have to stop these terrorism attacks in every way we can, and we have to stop the people who do this with all our strength. You should not kill anybody because he has a different religion! But if we kill the muslims (in what other way do we have to stop them) we commit terrorism attacks ourselves.
As you could see in the movie, there very many muslims in Holland. They create their churches here and they live here. I say: why not let them? There is one thing muslims should do: they have to become Dutch. They have to follow the Dutch laws and the Dutch rules. They should not kill anybody for their own honor, because it is forbidden in Holland! If you don't want to follow the rules in your own country, you should go back to your own.

It's a shame that there are muslims that do terrible things like they show in Fitna. They have no respect for other human beings. They cut throats of innocent men, they fly into buildings because 'they don't like America'. But there are other muslims. Muslims who condamn the behaviour of these terrorists. Muslims who don't judge.

Wilders, he wants to make the Kuran a forbidden book in Holland. Like the Bible is forbidden in China. As you may know, in China christians are tortured and killed today for being christian. I don't want the same to happen in Holland. Especially not for those muslims who have respect for others, and live a normal life. We should love each other and let each other in peace. Respect, that's what these muslims are without, and that's what Geert Wilders is without. That's my message for muslims and Geert Wilders, respect 2 all.

Looking forward to your reaction

Liesje222 I sympathize with the people of Holland. But the fact is you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all. This is NOT how free societies operate.
You show fear by condemning your own leader. Don't want to make anyone angry by exposing the truth ?

You say: There is one thing Muslims should do: they have to become Dutch. They should do ? You mean they don't have to ??? So are they trying or can they in the near future over run your government and put in place a "New Muslim Government" ?

Do you think they would be very excepting of you and your culture ?

I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life.

You all have a problem over there and it's only going to get worse. It's nice that that you want to love each other, but is that the goal of the Muslim's in your country ? What becomes of you when you don't abide by Muslim laws in the future ?

Stop being the coward and face the threat to your way of life !

@Nepaconservative
Thanks.
I think we agree about several things:

1. I am against muslims in my gouvernement because I don't agree with the muslim law. And fortunately, my gouvernement agrees with me.

2. What I said before: we absolutely have to stop the terrorist muslims.

3. There are terrible things written in the Kuran.

4. You say: 'They should do ? You mean they don't have to ???'
I said: they have to become Dutch. I said they had to return to their own country if they don't obey the Dutch law.

A thing that I don't agree:
First, you use the word 'you'. You have a problem, you are being over run.
There were also terrible attacks in the US.

Second, and I hope we can agree about this too, not all muslims are the same.

"Stop being the coward and face the threat to your way of life !"
I am just standig for something, love and respect. And as said before, it is also a message to the muslims.
I face the threat. Especially after what can happen to my country after Fitna.

Liesje222, I agree with you.Geert Wilders has caused problem to both Christian and Muslim.

911 is not done by the Muslim, it was done by US intelligent.

He wanted to forbid Quran but the bible is worst.

The bible clearly stated the following

Matthew 10:34 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

Yes I agree not all Muslims are the same, BUT why is it that the Muslims that don't agree with the violence seem to always be silent when they should be the most vocal ? Yes it's only a matter of time before it's more of a problem for us as well again.

Perhaps I misread a little into your post but I wish you luck. I wish we could all get along like kids in the sand box. But it's the extremist Muslim that is making that impossible.

Did you ever see any information on what they teach them as kids in schools ? This is an institutionalized problem for them that has spread like a virus. From birth to death they are taught to hate the west. Kill the Jews, Death to America yadda yadda yadda. That stuff pisses me off and for as much as the world seems to have a problem with George Bush, I don't have a problem with the fact that he brought a lot of this to light. Pre-Bush, think about all the things we didn't know or chose to ignore.

What about all the Anti-Christian things that exist in our societies. We ain't running around chopping off heads. This is something THEY need to deal with or you get conflict and thank god for now my country is run by those who aren't looking the other way. I only hope our up and coming Socialists (Barrack and Hillary)stand strong. Not holding me breath.

Again good luck and peace be with you.

janeabraham ...911 is not done by the Muslim, it was done by US intelligent...you're an idiot.

I'm not so concerned about what a book says versus the actions of a person. The fact of the matter is they are cutting our heads off, they chant and teach Death to America everyday. NOT US CHRISTIANS. So take you cut and paste atheism else where, unless you have something intelligent to add. Which is an ability I doubt you have.

JaneAbram:

I hate to break it to you but when in recent memory have you seen Christians en mass committing a crusade forcing people to convert or die? When was the last time you saw a Christian suicide bomber in the middle east? I think most Christians and Jewish people have learned that the bible is a guide to living your life spiritually and as a path to God in heaven, not as a political means to spread their will to other governments or people by violent means. It appears that the Muslim world has not learned that yet and we must fight for our survival.

If janeabraham reads her quotes again she will notice all the Old Testament ones apply only to Isrealites who break their own Law. They do not apply to outsiders (unlike Islamic injunctions). The New Testament quote from Romans leaves punishment up to God, not man. Jesus's comment about bringing the sword is a warning to His followers that they can expect persecutions and martyrdom for following Him (something which still happens frequently).
See www.thereligionofpeace.com or jihadwatch archives for details.

I applaud your courage Robert! That everyone should see what a terrible "religion" Islam is and what terrible "people" Muslim are!!

When Jesus returns, He shall certainly wipe the earth of these evil doers who are only led by the evil one. They shall certainly spent an eternity in the lake of fire. I have pity on their mortal souls.

If the film is deleted from liveleak.com (due to threats from islamofascists), simply search for it on bit-torrent. There is a LARGE variety of version available there. I will continue to share the copies on my bit-torrent client in perpetuity.

Just use this simple google query to find it:

http://www.google.com/search?q=fitna+torrent

This film will never die...

Piko

If the film is deleted from liveleak.com (due to threats from islamofascists), simply search for it on bit-torrent. There is a LARGE variety of version available there. I will continue to share the copies on my bit-torrent client in perpetuity.

Just use this simple google query to find it:

http://www.google.com/search?q=fitna+torrent

This film will never die...

Piko

If the film is deleted from liveleak.com (due to threats from islamofascists), simply search for it on bit-torrent. There is a LARGE variety of version available there. I will continue to share the copies on my bit-torrent client in perpetuity.

Just use this simple google query to find it:

http://www.google.com/search?q=fitna+torrent

This film will never die...

Piko

@ Janeabraham

All the versus you used, except for 2 of them, are old testament.

Romans 3:21 and 22
'But now, the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, trough faith in Jesus Christ, to ALL and on ALL who believe, for there is NO difference.'

In the Bible, God sent his own Son, Jesus, to die. Because he died for men, people don't have to die anymore for their sins. Take a look around: do you see christians killing people, throwing bombs around? Christians don't have to kill, because EVERYBODY is saved. That's why it would be a sin to kill somebody.
We ain't living here on earth because we're obeying the Law, because that's quite impossible, We're still here on earth by Jesus grace.

2 Thessalonians 3: 15
'Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.'

@ Nepaconservative

Yeah, the silent Muslim, I don't know, but what could they do? Because the others will kill them too.

Of course it pisses you off, me too. But isn't this the part where we, christians, should stand up and tell them the Gospel so they have a chance to be saved? There are innocent childeren out there, brainwashed, thinking they will come in heaven by blowing themselves up!
And ofcourse I also agree that it's a good thing that people see now what is happening with the muslim. What they're doing.
We will never be like playing kids in the sand box, but there is definitely something wrong if the only thing we can do is judging and killing eachother. And it's especially those extreme muslim who are doing that..

I'm not shocked at the lilly livered cowardly way the false religion Islam reacts to this rather light presentation of the truth about the teaches and guidance given hothead Muslim supposed followers who are truly unemployed, missguided petty criminals who attempt to blame the rest of the world for their inability to find jobs, gain an education or in any way be considered a success in life as in supporting themselves their families and living a life of rather normal comforts and opportinities. We have this problem all over the United States in the form of misguided youth who join criminal gangs to fill the void they have for family, friends and to be among others who are actually failures in the society the find themselves living in, due to circumstances they claim are out of their control but in truth it's laziness, slothfulness just plain worthlessness of these same individuals that allows them to fail in a country that offers more opportunity for adnvancement and success than any other nation in the world. You only have to look at the fanatic followers of Hitler to se a clear representation of the types of people who flock to a cause such as that presented to radical Islam, "lets get down to the facts, just make it Islam" as in truth it's not a radical small section of the population of Muslims that keeps this hate, violence refusal to accept freedom and acceptance of the befliefs and ideals of others alive and festering on the face of the globe; It's the religion itself and the teachings put forth by the obviously mentally deranged alleged profit himself that causes it to fester and grow in backward, uneducated and obviously inferrior societies. The fact that these wimps claiming to be such a rightous fraternity of believers can't take even this rather light presentation of the truth without once again jumping on their only weapon, 'hate filled violence against inocents and those that can't fight back or are unarmed, disabled and vulnerable in some other way that clearly presents and solidifies the evidence that in the light of truth, this evil darkness called Islam cannot survive and in fact for those who hide under it's supposed religious implications or distiny cannot maintain their own belief. Why so scared to allow the world to see examples of the real teaching and designs of this cult of hate; obviouly even the mullas or whatever these crime bosses want to call themselves can't stand up to the truth of their beliefs and in fact book that is no more and no less than a sick individuals plan to dominate and take over the world in the most violent, sick and dispicable way possible.

I have just seen his film !!




The only good thing in it was the Music
which was written by a non-Muslim.. ...of course !!

Briefly this film , if we may call it a film ,
is a collage of banalities, superficiality and simplicity's.

It is meant to make the dum , much dummer
and the hysteric , even more so........

As from now on , and after that film ,
the fanatic Muslim is more fanatic
and the xenophobe more isolated and scared.


Give me one afternoon and a small audio-video- studio ,
and I shall make you another defamatory film about anything
or anyone...... .I could make you hate all the vegetarians , for example.

Geert Wilders has shot himself in the knee
and the only winners are those who
do not want Europe to understand Islam.


Raja

Well, most of you have grasped the fact that Islam is Nazism re-incarnated as a religion, with the same goal...World Domination. However, I don't believe most of you realize just were Islam came from! Muhammad claims the Angel Gabriel appeared to him,revealng those things wrtten in the Qu'ran. A passage in the Bible(2nd Corinthians?) reads:"In the mouths of two or three witnesses shall every word be established!"
Muhammad has NO witnesses that saw the Angel.... NONE!!!! It is unlikely that the Angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad. More likely it was Allah himself!! Allah, who has other names;....Beelzebub,Lucifer,and Satan,to mame a few. He also, in another place calls himself "the god of this world!"

Who else,other than the "Father of all Lies", could have invented a religion that ordered the ATROCITIES we see being perpetrated,supposedly in God's name,all around the world!

xach - I agree with you, and I've heard this information as well; that Gabriel supposedly came to Muhammad. But like you said, it was the god of the underworld that visited ole Mo, not a messenger from the One True God. That's for sure!

But also then, shouldn't we as christians love our enemies and not judge them?
I mean, this film, ofcourse Geert Wilders is right here. But the thing that bothers me is that he wants to stand up against these extreme muslim, but he only makes it worse.. And he says: stop Islamisation. I don't want my country to be an Islam country, but I find that we cannot force people to have another religion. They have to make their own choice! And if they want to be muslim, they just should be muslim, but in their own country, they can't just terrorize other countries because they don't agree, we don't terrorize them.. But as long as we leave eachother in peace, they can be muslim if they want, their choice.

Hi Liesje222!

You're absolutely right - so long as everyone leaves everyone else alone, there's no problems. No harm. No foul.

But, it's just not that simple.

You see, while I have no problem with what anyone else believes, there are these crazy people who keep telling me that I have to wear a burlap sack on my head and bow down five times a day to a god I don't believe in, and if I don't, well, I'm an infidel and it's perfectly okay for them to rape and/or murder me. Because so far as -they- are concerned, I'm not a human being.

As you might imagine, I object to this idea strenuously!

In a perfect world, -yes-, it would be just fine to just go on about your way, no judging, everyone's happy, la, la, la, la. But a perfect world wouldn't have a literal river of blood flowing from the feet of Allah and Muhammed. And a perfect world wouldn't be populated with people who are determined to - regardless of the cost - FORCE me into believing what they believe on pain of death.

I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want. However, your rights end where mine begin. I have the right to believe whatever -I- want to believe. This is the basis of Western Civilization as we know it - tolerance, understanding, civility.

The people being shown in Fitna? They aren't interested in letting you believe what you want. They aren't interested in tolerating -your- beliefs, desires, wants, needs, whatever. All they're interested in is controlling your country and imposing -their- values on you - regardless of what you think. And if you don't like it? Well, they have a variety of means of either "changing your mind" or removing the problem (you) altogether.

Pardon, but I'm sort of through "not judging" at that point. :)

Is The Prophet Muhammad a Terrorist?

I am an American. I have been following this controversy of your and others who carried the cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad. I know the Mideast quite well, speak its language, and in short am quite familiar with that part of the world.

I just wanted to share some thoughts with the producers of this film and some of the readers, who, by the very nature of their comments, have not even read their own Holy Books. I have no certain agenda in presenting my opinion. I feel it necessary to share thoughts in a civilized fashion.

Muhammad is Islam to all people of that faith. People in this case, also, include children of Islam's families. He is their "God" in essence, albeit a Prophet in the Koran. Those children grow to believe in what they are taught about the Best and Holiest of "Gods" in Islam - Muhammad. To them He is the Good and what is best in character and piety. Muhammad's children like to believe in His goodness, much like our Christian children like to believe in Christ's goodness, or Jewish children in their Moses.

To me, and it is my opinion in this case, placing a weapon on the head of this Holiest of Gods in Islam or any other's God for that matter is sending a message to all those children that their God is essentially "Bad". That they have, during all their years, followed a lie about the Prophet or "God" who asked them, in the messages within the Koran, to honor God and show mercy, etc. Children do not comprehend what the message of the film producers is when they see such a controversial cartoon and a biased film. However we look at it, all the Holy Books are parallel in Their promotion of what They consider to be good in their various religions. Anyone reading these Holy Books from their own perspective can also charge the others of negative thoughts in their Holy Books.
Moslems, like Christians and Jews have disagreed over the exact interpretation of Koranic verses as much as those of other religions have disagreed with their own Holy Books. This discussion should be visited theologically, socially and politically, and yet, to the average masses, it is a discussion that, usually ends in a no win situation. As we see today in the world of wars, religion has become divisive, not uniting. Let’s not forget the Torah and the Bible in their promotion of eye for an eye and of revenge in the Exodus and elsewhere.

My point is, with such a cartoon, and with such a mindless film, I believe that we in the west have created resentment in a new generation of children against our future generation of children who may one day have to continue the stupidity of our present wars and doing so, become the future innocent victims of such wars. What we did, is allow ourselves to be guided by the misguided and sadly to even believe in their horrific rhetoric. Doing so, we are no better than the crazies and the terrorist of all nationalities. What this cartoon and film truly did is what religion is doing today - pitting cultures against each other and playing the Crusader game of past centuries. For those who saw this cartoon, and the film, were for the most part the average masses who have been accustomed to being brainwashed about what an Arab is, and this cartoon and film further solidified this erroneous perception of Arabs, which to them means Moslems.

I take issue with whether this cartoon and film idea is symbols of Freedom of Speech. Why? Because freedom of speech, to me, is expressing views about a current or past situation that is relevant to a subject affecting the concerned state of affairs, whatever it is. And this freedom of expression can be communicated through the philosophy of the author, depending on the issue and it can express whatever in a free thought manner. In any case it must be meaningful in its approach to make a point, regardless of how humorous, satirical or defaming it may wish to be. In the case of this film and cartoon, the salvo missed the mark of Freedom (the supposed goal of our present wars to gain freedom for the "poor and hungry for democracy" citizens of the attacked "Moslem" countries) and to grant them the right to free Speech (which is absolutely what gets them in jail and killed if they do.) In both efforts we are failing drastically.

When you put a bomb on top of Muhammad's head, the film producers and the cartoon people understanding of freedom of speech demonstrates a lack of "understanding" for the affected cultures. This bomb would have been better placed on Bin Laden's head, or Saddam's or some other who may even deserve it in our own culture.
That would have made a better point.

But my conclusion tells me that, while the producers of this film thought the idea and the portrayal of Moslems to be a symbolic message, it, unfortunately, addressed the world stage in a naïve sort of way. They addressed, politically and satirically, with this cartoon and film, an idea without an afterthought. In their world of public relations and journalism, deeper discussion should, in a professional and learned atmosphere, take into account the bigger picture of who becomes affected by this “trash”. First, in creating this cartoon and film they portrayed Muhammad as the symbol of evil, and second they relayed the message that to be a Muhammadan (Moslem) is to be a "bomber" and a "terrorist". The children of Islam are Muhammad's children. This film and cartoon insinuates that they are, therefore, “bombers" and "terrorists". This is how the world sees it. I believe that what was thought to be a clever idea became a sort of an ego trip filled with yellow journalism that in the end did not serve any purpose; on the contrary, it denigrated a society that does not understand nor agree with our interpretation of what we call Freedom of Speech. I think Freedom of Speech, in this particular case, was interpreted in a self serving atmosphere and what's more disappointing is how and by whom it was created, the so called representatives of people and leaders of the news. In this cartoon, so much more than the editors' foresight can be deduced by the cultures who suffered most from it. From this cartoon, we can deduce that Muhammad sent the bombers of 911. We can deduce that the present illegal wars in the Middle East were created by Muhammad. This is just as silly as deducing that Jesus and Moses brought us Hitler and Hiroshima.

I respect my democracy in America and I do not oppose yours in Europe. I believe, however, that when such “supposedly” learned people have the powerful pen of communication in their hand, that they should write with patience and wisdom after they visit all their horizons of knowledge before painting their thoughts for the world to see.

If they sought to separate cultures with this film and cartoon, then they succeeded beyond a doubt; and by thinking up such a film, they have, unfortunately honored even the dishonorable "Bin Laden". Here they succeeded as well by enticing the masses to a Holy War. And if they thought about degrading terrorism with this film and cartoon, then they have dishonored their profession with their definition of a Terrorist.

Their "creative" cartoon and film are now coming back to haunt us with reprisals; reprisals that may take the life of our innocent children in what they considered to be their "Freedom of Speech" expressions. I value the life of every innocent child, including my children, and I sadly feel that they have trespassed the line of logic with their film and cartoon.

@Joran

I agree with most of what you said...
BUT where would you put the borderline between my
"freedom of speech" and MY right to "democracy" and NOT living under Islam.
Sorry but I reserve for myself the right to do my kind of "Jihad" if and when Islam becomes prevalent in Europe!!!!!!

For all of you defenders of Islamasation, no one is saying Muslims shouldn't be able to believe as they want. The film and it's supporters are saying Muslims shouldn't be able to MAKE YOU BELIEVE AS THEY DO.

Muslims who are supporters of Islam taking over the world aren't interested in you believing as you choose they want to choose for you - or perhaps kill you if you decide differently than they.

The majority of the suicide bombings, mass killing, train bombing etc etc etc are perpetrated on the "non-believing" world - those other than Muslims - by Muslims wanting to expand their will over everyone, everywhere they live, or don't live. They are never going to be Dutch or American or whatever because they don't want to, they want you to believe in Allah.

No Jews or Christians are spreading their will in the same way - bombing and killing their way across the world. Whatever the bible, old or new testaments say - no Christian or Jew is acting on those words in the 21st century in that way.

Of course, there are instances where other religions force their will upon others, but nothing on the grand scale of the demands of the Muslim world.

The fact that there are moderate Muslims is completely irrelevant because of their lack of action in controlling the militant Islamists. If they can remain silent (they have to or they will be set up for death threats) in light of what their brethern are doing than that is not a "moderate" anything.

Wake up - Muslims are trying to expand their will all over the world and the democracies by virtue of their democratic creed is letting this happen. Time to think about tomorrow and take care of it today.

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Millions and millions are quiting Islam every year; in Africa 16,000 leave
Islam everyday, according to Faithfreedom.org.

faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

For Muslims reading this, be brave! You also can leave Islam. Be a brave apostate!
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone!

All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.

That’ll be great if there’s not much rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be bullied

never shoot rioting thugs
let them threaten you at will

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
appease religious wackos

even those like Nazis
NEVER point out their faults

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http://www.themoviefitna.com/?p=52

Sheik Yer Mami's 'Winds of Jihad' music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9WdM03FSY

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/2008/03/will-geert-wilders-film-fitna-be-shown.html

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://haltterrorism.com/

:)
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Millions and millions are quiting Islam every year; in Africa 16,000 leave
Islam everyday, according to Faithfreedom.org.

http://faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

For Muslims reading this, be brave! You also can leave Islam. Be a brave apostate!
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone!

All freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, there will be no freedom. The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.

That’ll be great if there’s not much rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be bullied

never shoot rioting thugs
let them threaten you at will

.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
appease religious wackos

even those like Nazis
NEVER point out their faults

.
http://www.themoviefitna.com/?p=52

Sheik Yer Mami's 'Winds of Jihad' music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9WdM03FSY

http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/2008/03/will-geert-wilders-film-fitna-be-shown.html

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://haltterrorism.com/

:)
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Oops, sorry for the double post

:(

The fact that so many people cannot feel the Islamic knife at their throats stuns and amazes me.

They will not realize the danger until they see their own blood pouring from their open necks.

Robert, thank you for your EXTREME courage. May you be an example for others to follow. May we overcome Islam just as we have overcome other evils in history.

“All that is required for evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing” - Edmund Burk 1729-1792

May good men & women begin to act to defeat this great evil among us.

Blessings and appreciation to you Gert Wilders and JihadWatch for your courage! God you speed you.

to FM:
i quote what you wrote.

"Surely this film should get downloaded and produced on a great many sites. Unfortunately, the message is out that they are plenty of mindless Muslim zombies out there that will murder real human beings to kill freedom of speech."

How do you DEFINE freedom of speech? Of course, there is freedom of speech everywhere but it has to be exercise responsibly. Muslims voice out because the freedom of speech that stupid Dutch MP is trying to show is INSULTING to Islam! I believe other religion(say, christians) would feel insulted too if another religion were to tell other people the false facts about christianity too...You know its not true, and you condemn it and you voice out. Tats what Muslims trying to do. They just standing up for their rights.

Imagine your family, or your frens practise these freedom of speech to belittle you..to make fun of you, so that everybody hates you...but you know what ur frens said about you isn't true at all!!

ITs the same analogy here...

So think before you speak Mr FM.

I quote what AllahSnackBar wrote:

"Nothing insulting to islam there. What a bunch of sensitive babies."

Muslims? sensitive babies? R u gonna feel alright when other religion tells you that your religion is an evil cult and you shud just tear half of your bible or other holy book away? If you dun feel anything, then i am afraid u r not human.. Because human do HAVE feelings...

Allah Schmallah said:

"It is amazing how willfully ignorant our 'leaders' are when it comes to pigslam!

A HUGE THANK YOU to Mr. Geert Wilders for being willing to stand up all by himself to speak for us all.

SHAME on the islamultikulti Quislings and Chamberlains we have in office who continue to betray us.

See Sarkozy who ran on a Freedom platform and what has he been doing since Day One..?

We know what he's been doing.

Et toi, Sarko?"

A HUGE THANK YOU to Mr. Geert Wilders for making the number of terrorists to grow.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Mr. Geert Wilders for putting the life of his people in danger.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Mr. Geert Wilders if one day there's a World War III between Muslims and Christians.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Mr. Geert Wilders for making the people of his country live their everyday life in fear.

and having Mr. Geert Wilders as the Dutch MP is such a BIG SHAME. it only shows how low his education is and how shallow his thinking is. We dun even know if he is a devout CHristian to have the right to insult other religion. If he's a devout and standing up for his religion, then why become the MP? GO become a preacher.

IF Mr. Geert Wilders are so scared tat his people will get influence by ISlam, THen his MAIN duty is to guide his people closer to Christianity. Not by opposing ISlam...

BECAUSE BY DOING SO, It shows that Mr. Geert Wilders and people who love doing this DO have INFERIORITY-COMPLEX.

TRSTHNTR wrote:

"I must admit, that although fighting against these NON-HUMANS for the past seven years, and seeing many things, I still had to turn away from the beheading. I know exactly the scene, as I have played it through in my head many times, and that is why I WILL NEVER GIVE UP OR GIVE IN to these lower than human forms of life worshiping a death cult!
Thank you Robert and all at JW!
Never give in!"

kk wrote:

"I knew that islam was akind of cult,but now I know that it is infact an evilish cult.We have to keep up this fight.This probably is the only way to convince the ignorant nonmuslims that Islam is not apeacefull atall, inspite of what our leaders have to say.Thankyou Mr Spencer."

Dear kk and TRSTHNTR,

Any religion can simply call another religion an evilish and dealth cult. But what right do you have to call Islam such names just by watching the video??

DO you mean that u people KNOW EVERYTHING about Islam just by watching a short 15-min film??

IF i have a chance to know you both for just 15 minutes, do i have the right to label you a coward, a prejudice, or perhaps a murderer? If during our 15-min friendship, you happened to spit on the floor, do i have the right to label you as a UNHYGENIC DISGUSTING person? NO!

So, 15-min is not enough to know a person...THere are some who are frens for more than 20 years and still learning to understand his/her frens' character...

Like wise, 15-min film doen't give the FULL facts about Islam. In fact, they twist and turn the verses of the Quran and twists the words of the Islamic Scholar to make Islam seems bad and evil.

As you can see, in bible, a verse is always related to the verse after or the verse before it. Bible also have chapters.

Like wise in Quran. So you have to read the before and after verses in between each of the verse that were portayed in the video...

But what Mr. Geert Wilders did was simply PICK 4 DIFFERENT VERSES that belong to DIFFERENT CHAPTERS of the Quran, that he THINKS will portray the evil side of Islam, enough to cause hatred towards muslims, enough to make his people(perhaps christians) to stay away from ISLAM religion. BEcause he is afraid if his people are influence by ISlam, then the number of christians will decrease tremendously.

So, whose the evil guy here?

TO Liesje222:

I appreciate your effort to bring peace and love. It show how highly educated you are and how deep ur thinking is. You did not side Muslims, but u put urself in THEIR shoes because u dun want the same happen to you and your religion...

U r really wise...unlike some narrow-minded people here...

On a side note:
We live in this world for our religion and based on the religion's teaching. We all believe god created us and we live to submit ourselves to wat God tells us to do. We don't live our live based on man-made laws that were created by man but rather laws created by God.

TO Liesje222:

I appreciate your effort to bring peace and love. It show how highly educated you are and how deep ur thinking is. You did not side Muslims, but u put urself in THEIR shoes because u dun want the same happen to you and your religion...

U r really wise...unlike some narrow-minded people here...

On a side note:
We live in this world for our religion and based on the religion's teaching. We all believe god created us and we live to submit ourselves to wat God tells us to do. We don't live our live based on man-made laws that were created by man but rather laws created by God.

To nepaconservative....

nepaconservative wrote:

"Liesje222 I sympathize with the people of Holland. But the fact is you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all. This is NOT how free societies operate.
You show fear by condemning your own leader. Don't want to make anyone angry by exposing the truth ?

You say: There is one thing Muslims should do: they have to become Dutch. They should do ? You mean they don't have to ??? So are they trying or can they in the near future over run your government and put in place a "New Muslim Government" ?

Do you think they would be very excepting of you and your culture ?

I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life.

You all have a problem over there and it's only going to get worse. It's nice that that you want to love each other, but is that the goal of the Muslim's in your country ? What becomes of you when you don't abide by Muslim laws in the future ?

Stop being the coward and face the threat to your way of life !"

To this i replied to nepaconservative...

God created man to for a purpose in this world - to submit to God and abide by His rules. On which you will answer for your actions in front of god in hereafter.

SO when you said "you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all.", are you telling me YOU are created by MAN? NOT GOD? Tat was why u are trying to say that we, i mean you, should put law over your religion, over everything else?

What if a man-made law tells you(if u r a christian) to pray in a hindu temple instead of a church? WOuld you abide with rules? I believe your answer is yes since u r trying to emphasize that we should put law over religion, law over all...

Wat if ur answer is NO? WHY?

Because u think the law contradicts with your religion, because as christian, u shud pray at the church? am i right?

When you said, "I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life."

How many of Isrealist is in cahoots with US GEORGE BUSH and killed many of Lebanons and Palestinians who are MUSLIMS regardless of women or children being shot to death without a pinch of simpathy and love?!?!?!

When you say that you people killed to protect our own and interests, what u mean by ur interests??!! What you mean your own?? your own man?

SO you are trying to say these Muslims killed for fun?? if ur people killed to protect their own, the lebanons, the palestinians fight in war to PROTECT THEIR FLESH AND BLOOD - Their wife, their children, their mother, father!!! They lost their families to US Militants and Isrealist and no one to help them. So they rely on themselves to protect their own FAMILY! There's a reason why war starts in the first place - because one party is being provoke by another!

I live in a multi-racial society country. When a non-muslim don't abide by the Muslim rules, nothing happened to them. And we can talk to one another almost anything under the sun...

So what you got to say now???

Whatever you are trying to say doesn't based on a concrete background and evidence. You are just pointing fingers at Muslims when u don't even realise how many Muslims the US troops has killed and destroy their place for living to an extend some of them had to move out of their own country!!

To nepaconservative....

nepaconservative wrote:

"Liesje222 I sympathize with the people of Holland. But the fact is you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all. This is NOT how free societies operate.
You show fear by condemning your own leader. Don't want to make anyone angry by exposing the truth ?

You say: There is one thing Muslims should do: they have to become Dutch. They should do ? You mean they don't have to ??? So are they trying or can they in the near future over run your government and put in place a "New Muslim Government" ?

Do you think they would be very excepting of you and your culture ?

I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life.

You all have a problem over there and it's only going to get worse. It's nice that that you want to love each other, but is that the goal of the Muslim's in your country ? What becomes of you when you don't abide by Muslim laws in the future ?

Stop being the coward and face the threat to your way of life !"

To this i replied to nepaconservative...

God created man to for a purpose in this world - to submit to God and abide by His rules. On which you will answer for your actions in front of god in hereafter.

SO when you said "you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all.", are you telling me YOU are created by MAN? NOT GOD? Tat was why u are trying to say that we, i mean you, should put law over your religion, over everything else?

What if a man-made law tells you(if u r a christian) to pray in a hindu temple instead of a church? WOuld you abide with rules? I believe your answer is yes since u r trying to emphasize that we should put law over religion, law over all...

Wat if ur answer is NO? WHY?

Because u think the law contradicts with your religion, because as christian, u shud pray at the church? am i right?

When you said, "I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life."

How many of Isrealist is in cahoots with US GEORGE BUSH and killed many of Lebanons and Palestinians who are MUSLIMS regardless of women or children being shot to death without a pinch of simpathy and love?!?!?!

When you say that you people killed to protect our own and interests, what u mean by ur interests??!! What you mean your own?? your own man?

SO you are trying to say these Muslims killed for fun?? if ur people killed to protect their own, the lebanons, the palestinians fight in war to PROTECT THEIR FLESH AND BLOOD - Their wife, their children, their mother, father!!! They lost their families to US Militants and Isrealist and no one to help them. So they rely on themselves to protect their own FAMILY! There's a reason why war starts in the first place - because one party is being provoke by another!

I live in a multi-racial society country. When a non-muslim don't abide by the Muslim rules, nothing happened to them. And we can talk to one another almost anything under the sun...

So what you got to say now???

Whatever you are trying to say doesn't based on a concrete background and evidence. You are just pointing fingers at Muslims when u don't even realise how many Muslims the US troops has killed and destroy their place for living to an extend some of them had to move out of their own country!!

To nepaconservative....

nepaconservative wrote:

"Liesje222 I sympathize with the people of Holland. But the fact is you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all. This is NOT how free societies operate.
You show fear by condemning your own leader. Don't want to make anyone angry by exposing the truth ?

You say: There is one thing Muslims should do: they have to become Dutch. They should do ? You mean they don't have to ??? So are they trying or can they in the near future over run your government and put in place a "New Muslim Government" ?

Do you think they would be very excepting of you and your culture ?

I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life.

You all have a problem over there and it's only going to get worse. It's nice that that you want to love each other, but is that the goal of the Muslim's in your country ? What becomes of you when you don't abide by Muslim laws in the future ?

Stop being the coward and face the threat to your way of life !"

To this i replied to nepaconservative...

God created man to for a purpose in this world - to submit to God and abide by His rules. On which you will answer for your actions in front of god in hereafter.

SO when you said "you are all being over run by people who put religion over law, religion over all.", are you telling me YOU are created by MAN? NOT GOD? Tat was why u are trying to say that we, i mean you, should put law over your religion, over everything else?

What if a man-made law tells you(if u r a christian) to pray in a hindu temple instead of a church? WOuld you abide with rules? I believe your answer is yes since u r trying to emphasize that we should put law over religion, law over all...

Wat if ur answer is NO? WHY?

Because u think the law contradicts with your religion, because as christian, u shud pray at the church? am i right?

When you said, "I live in the US, we do not kill people for their religion, we kill to protect our own and our interests. We still appreciate our way of life."

How many of Isrealist is in cahoots with US GEORGE BUSH and killed many of Lebanons and Palestinians who are MUSLIMS regardless of women or children being shot to death without a pinch of simpathy and love?!?!?!

When you say that you people killed to protect our own and interests, what u mean by ur interests??!! What you mean your own?? your own man?

SO you are trying to say these Muslims killed for fun?? if ur people killed to protect their own, the lebanons, the palestinians fight in war to PROTECT THEIR FLESH AND BLOOD - Their wife, their children, their mother, father!!! They lost their families to US Militants and Isrealist and no one to help them. So they rely on themselves to protect their own FAMILY! There's a reason why war starts in the first place - because one party is being provoke by another!

I live in a multi-racial society country. When a non-muslim don't abide by the Muslim rules, nothing happened to them. And we can talk to one another almost anything under the sun...

So what you got to say now???

Whatever you are trying to say doesn't based on a concrete background and evidence. You are just pointing fingers at Muslims when u don't even realise how many Muslims the US troops has killed and destroy their place for living to an extend some of them had to move out of their own country!!

What ever the JW,Hollands and Danemaks do,they have thier own opinions and ideas.if the Directer is a REAL MAN let him make a movie about the US troops in Iraq how they kill and raip innocent people,let him make movie about what the JW are doing in Palastine,let him make a movie about the US soliders Mother's how much they suffer because thier suns in Iraq and Afganista are killing and they have been killed.
shame on him to make such movie.none of Muslims made a bad movie about Bibel.
let it be what ever in thier Holy Quran,all the sentences that the directer showed were in the century of prophet Muhamed,the sentences don't belong to this century and these days.
for example i am cristian,but i really like Holy Quran,at least they have only one book in all the world,the same sentences,the papers,but we CHRISTIANS we have alot alot alot of different Bibels,when you read just two Bibels "IF YOU RAED" you will feel pitty for our relegion,coze you will see the diffirence.
i don't know why i feel that the directer is GAY.

Thanks.
Sally from USA

For the ones who are interested:

I just saw a debate of the 2nd Chamber (or how do you call it in English), all the ministers who rule my country. It was a debate about Fitna, I will tell you short wat was said.
Before the film came out, there was a conversation between Geert Wilder, a few other people and the 1st man of anti-terrorism thing. Geert Wilders didn't want to make any notes for himself, but the other people made notes.
These notes say that Geert Wilders was planning to rip off the pages of Quran FOR REAL, not just the telephonebook. Finally he didn't do it. Wilders himself denies that he said he would rip off pages and he accuses everybody, but especially the minister of Justice (!!) that they're all liers, even though these documants are very trusted and formal.
Also, one of the ministers proposed to ask a third person who was with the conversation to confess. So then it would be clear if Geert Wilders is lieing about the pages of Quran or not. BUT, Wilders does not take the proposal and does not want to have a third person to confess.

The Premier of my country has said - before the film came out- that there would be a crisis.
Geert Wilders demands the Premier to apologize, because 'he didn't know anything yet about the film'. But, as we look at this documents, he could know, and so he won't apologize.
the Premier has said: You're the one who should apologize, to those Muslim who are not extremist, who obey the Dutch rules, the Muslim who works everyday. Geert Wilders said: that's not going to happen in 10.000 years!

Strange things about Wilders:
- He accuses ALL the Dutch leaders of being traitors and liers
- He denies what was written in the document of notes which were made during the conversation
- He didn't make any notes himself...
- He won't apologize to the innocent people who are hurt by the movie

Also he said: 'I don't have anything against the Muslim, but against the Islamisation, their ideology.
Why do I not believe that...?

Another thing: Geert Wilders is going to change some details in his film. In the beginning you see Mohammed with bomb in his tulband, it's the cartoon from Denmark. He is going to remove it. Also in the film he did not show the real face of Mohammed B, the murderer of Theo van Gogh. It was a face of a rapper, so he's going to remove it and use the real face of Mohammed B. Also he forgot to mention a name in the subtitles at the end of the movie.

Strange thing of all this, is that the Party of Geert Wilders is called "Partij van de Vrijheid", which means, 'Party of freedom'......

Ladies and gentlemen, my fellow Non-Muslims.

Observe the Muslim and pro-Muslim posters above - 'hunniebee', and a 'sally' who is probably a Muslim posting under a 'western' name to try to confuse us, and 'liesje' who might be either a dhimmfied Dutchwoman or another Muslim using a western name for taqiyya purposes.

Observe the mad-hattery - the conspiracy theories; the anti-semitism. (But the attempt to play the 'palestinian' card won't work with me: I've read the Hamas Charter, surreal and violent document that it is, and laced through and through with Quranic and Hadith references).

Observe the ad hominems, the frenzied hurling of gratuitous insults (to Mr Wilders and to those posting here) and the attempts to confuse and to divide, in the postings. Observe, observe, observe.

Dear Trolls

I have read the Quran. All of it, several times, slowly and carefully, in two different translations, both accurate. I know that there is much, much more - and a good deal of it much uglier - than the verses that Wilders chose for his documentary.

I know, therefore, that Wilders' brief account of one major canonical textual source of the hostility, contempt and aggression which many (not all, but a great many) Muslims express toward non-Muslims (and are historically recorded as expressing, throughout the past 1300 years) is entirely accurate.

I also know that the rabble-rousing imams shown in the film have plenty of company.

And as for acts of violence threatened or in fact carried out, by Quran-quoting Hadith-quoting Sharia-invoking Muslims, against non-Muslims (especially Jews), women, gays, 'apostates' and 'blasphemers'...well, there's lots, lots more, Wilders didn't even begin to scratch the surface.

Oh, facts are such horrid things!