Fitzgerald: Bernard Lewis's ill-considered remarks

There are so many disturbing things about Bernard Lewis' interview, but the most disturbing is the possible effect of his ill-considered remark counseling against the use of force with Iran, because Iran, you see, has a venerable history, and the Iranians are proud nationalists, and no doubt an attack that destroyed Iran's nuclear facilities would cause some -- but how much, and for how long -- rallying around the Islamic Republic of Iran by those who are otherwise disaffected. The problem is that Israel, and the United States, can't wait, in order for that "regime change." And Lewis surely must know -- he's keenly aware of it -- that his every word is held up by some as holy writ. And therefore, when he off-handedly counsels against any military attack on Iran, he's making the likely task of the Israelis, and others who know that they cannot wait, much harder.

It was a foolish remark, foolishly made. And even though he adds, afterthoughtedly, some modification, the damage has been done. For this is how it will be used: "See, even Bernard Lewis says that Iran's nuclear project should not be attacked, for it will only make the regime stronger." Well, maybe yes, and maybe no. The Islamic Republic of Iran could hardly be doing more than it is doing to threaten Israel and, in Lebanon and elsewhere, other Infidels. It is at least conceivable -- but Lewis can't conceive of it -- that the humiliation of having that nuclear project destroyed will lead to a temporary rallying-round, followed by a realization that the regime has failed on every count. Or, to put it otherwise, if the regime does acquire nuclear weapons, and is successful in defying the Americans, the Israelis, and everyone else, will it not then have such prestige that those who want regime change will be put on the defensive, will be weakened? This appears not to occur to Lewis, for he doesn't even consider it.

Lewis, remember, was an enthusiastic supporter of the Oslo Accords. It annoys him to be reminded of this. And even now, though he calls that support a "mistake," he has done nothing to explain why he made that "mistake." Was it that he had faith in Arafat? Was Arafat the problem? Or was it something deeper than Arafat, something about the tenets of Islam, and the example of Muhammad? Lewis should be asked, but was not asked in this or in any other interview, two questions:

1) Does he think that the Muslims and Arabs will ever accept, as permanent presence within borders that are truly defensible and not hopelessly vulnerable, an Infidel nation-state, smack in the middle of Dar al-Islam? If he thinks that, on what basis does he do so?

2) Why does he think that Muslims can somehow overcome 1350 years of ideology, and of behavior based on that ideology? What makes him think, for example, that Muhammad is no longer uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, and that his dealings with the Meccans in 628 A.D., at Hudaibiyya, do not have continuing vitality as the example for all treaty-making with Infidels?

Lewis was such a fervent admirer of the Oslo Accords that he privately told a Jewish leader who, early on, was attempting to bring violations by the "Palestinians" of those accords to the attention of others, to "keep quiet" -- because he, Lewis, didn't want anything to rock the damn Oslo boat. And he was also, as we know, a famous proponent of the war in Iraq, and of remaking Iraq, for he knew what he had to know about Iraq from the likes of Ahmad Chalabi.

This is not a function of age. Lewis is as keen now as he ever was. The question is: was he quite as keen ten years ago, or twenty, as his admirers of the World's-Greatest-Authority School seem to think, no matter what Lewis supports, or how incautiously he may, though seeming to be cautious, express himself? It is Israel, and the rest of the West, that will pay the price for that remark.

And for this one:

"What we are seeing now in much of the Islamic world could only be described as a monstrous perversion of Islam. The things that are now being done in the name of Islam are totally anti-Islamic. Take suicide, for example. The whole Islamic theology and law is totally opposed to suicide. Even if one has led a totally virtuous life, if he dies by his own hand he forfeits paradise and is condemned to eternal damnation. The eternal punishment for suicide is the endless repetition of the act of suicide. That's what it says in the books. So these people who blow themselves up, according to their own religion - which they don't seem to be well-acquainted with - are condemning themselves to an eternity of exploding bombs."

Apparently, the widely-read and presumably authoritative Sheik Al-Qaradawi, and the Sheikh Al-Azhar (who holds the highest position in Sunni Islam), and a great many other Muslim clerics, do not agree with Bernard Lewis. They think that what the West describes as "suicide bombing" is not "suicide" at all as Muslims understand it. As they see it, the attacks by Muslims who have bomb vests strapped to their waist are simply updated versions of a Muslim warrior in the past who, were he brave enough, might attack a large number of the enemy at the same time, knowing full well he could not possibly emerge alive, but at least he would kill a far greater number of the enemy.

Lewis ignores all this. He ignores the repeated justification of this practice by Muslim clerics all over the place, and claims that he, Lewis, recognizes suicide-bombing as a "monstrous perversion." But he is ignoring technology. In the past, Muslims did not have explosive belts. They had only their swords, or in some cases later on, their rifles. Any Muslim who attacked a much larger force was, in essence, committing suicide, but this was not seen as "suicide." Suicide, for Muslims, is not what you do when your act is accompanied by the killing of Infidels. It is what you do alone, and for no other reason than that you no longer wish to live. That is what is unacceptable in Islam.

But now there are explosives. And a Muslim who might once have entered battle with a sword to smite a much larger force, thinks he is doing the same thing, but with a newly-available weapon, when he enters a restaurant, a bus, a hotel function room, and blows himself up.

Lewis doesn't even bother to discuss how contemporary Muslim clerics justify suicide bombing, in ways completely recognizable, and, indeed, understandable to many other Muslims now -- as it would have been in the past. He doesn't like it. He no doubt would wish to discourage it. So he calls it merely a "monstrous perversion" without considering that technological progress, and not a moral sea-change, explains the propriety of what we all "suicide-bombing" but they simply call "an attack on Infidel enemies."

This is not the only time he has failed to think things through. But it is certainly striking. And the interviewer, who seems ill-inclined to question him further about anything, merely serves as a reminder -- to the reader, and no doubt to Lewis himself -- of his adoring claque.

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"They think that what the West describes as "suicide bombing" is not "suicide" at all as Muslims understand it."

I like Fox News take on it. They call it "homicide bombings".

The venerable Mr Lewis has made other remarks comparably problematic. In an interview a couple of years ago, he said:

"Wahhabism is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity."

Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Christianity and Islam would easily comprehend how inapt this comparison is.

It is at least conceivable -- but Lewis can't conceive of it -- that the humiliation of having that nuclear project destroyed will lead to a temporary rallying-round, followed by a realization that the regime has failed on every count.
Why doesn't he consider the example of Hizbullah, which initially had a popularity spurt after its war with Israel 2 years ago, quickly followed by a realization by Lebanese of how much of a paper tiger they really are?

Also, too bad that balkanizing Iran and other Islamic countries doesn't seem to occur to such pooh-bahs.

Unfortunately,
one of the fallouts of the war in Iraq is that people in the west are sick of war cause the hawks credibility plummeted. Destroying Iran's nuke program will be well nigh impossible from the air short of using nukes first and no one is going to tolerate that.

Well Dumbo I doubt that.
Given the pinpoint accuracy of modern weapons, I would imagine a very large bomb dropped on a nuclear facility wouldn't do it the world of good.

What burns me up, is WHY AREN'T WE GIVING HIGH TECH WEAPONS TO THE IRANIAN REBELS. We should be heavily supplying Iran's rebels, after all Iran is supplying the terrorist in Iraq.

Here's an interesting item. Jean-Marie Le Pen has been convicted of racism and fined 10,000 euros for remarks he made about Muslims four years ago.
http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/le-pen-convicted.html

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2008_03.html

There have been signs of rebellion in Iran for some time. I know the instinct to control dies hard. But sometimes less is more. Scenes like this impromptu 300 strong riot against the 'morality police' in Teheran by people under 30 give me hope. An entire generation has grown up since the Iranian Revolution 30 years ago. They played no part in the rule of the mullahs and now they want to overthrow them. But they are still Iranians. Attack their country and they will be full square behind any government then in power. Wouldn't Americans do the same? Leave them alone and bit by bit, by sheer weight of numbers, they are going to shrug off the mullahs as they die off one by one.

OK, wrong URL. Sorry. But the URL I was trying to link to was an impromtu demonstration that took place in Teheran a few weeks ago when the morality police tried to arrest a young woman for not wearing enough burka. She fought back. A young man came to her assistance, then several others joined him, and more joined them. Soon the police lost control of part of the city as a full scale riot broke out.

These kids didn't vote for the mullahs and are sick fed up of them. 30 years of their rule hasn't improved the economic condition of Iran one iota, as far as the common man is concerned.

We've neen hearing of this youth rebellion for years. Of course, not everyone is going to tow the line there and they are not as sealed as the old Eastern Block. But it seems to be that the mullahs are still going strong and Islam is still driving the majority of the drones there, youths or not.

Leaders who believe a dead man will emerge from a well on a flying dead horse to unite the world (under Islam of course) only after Armageddon has started should not have the means to test their theories.

Better that the Iranians rally around the government in protest of the destruction of their nuclear weapons program than in celebration of the successful construction and use of a nuclear weapon.

Either way the rally is likely to be temporary. It is likely to be short-lived indeed, if the device is used against a country with nuclear capability.

Leaders who believe a dead man will emerge from a well on a flying dead horse to unite the world (under Islam of course) only after Armageddon has started should not have the means to test their theories.

Better that the Iranians rally around the government in protest of the destruction of their nuclear weapons program than in celebration of the successful construction and use of a nuclear weapon.

Either way the rally is likely to be temporary. It is likely to be short-lived indeed, if the device is used against a country with nuclear capability.
Posted by: RalphInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at March 14, 2008 11:00 PM


But OUR belief that a man will rise from the dead, and then RAISE the dead makes sense?

Do not get me wrong.I adhere to the Judao Christian faith, but am not so sure we have room to criticize THAT particular belief....

And yes, I am FULLY aware that the belief in question is the backbone of MOST of the terrorist attacks perpetrated by Muslim scumbags!

I also think that Islam should be hit with R.I.C.O. charges for their beliefs that we should pay them protection money because we are not MUSLIMS!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/15/wiran115.xml

Low voter turnout in Iran's elections as the young vote with their feet and stay away, since no reformist candidates are allowed to stand.

The new regime looks unlikely to have legitimacy.

Give those kids a chance. The rule of the old men in white beards and black robes can't last much longer.

It's looking like one very tired regime.

However much some of us disagree with Bernard Lewis's analysis does anyone think the US can successfully attack Iran? Does anyone doubt that an attack would sink the US economy even more than it is already sinking from huge debts? If are to attack Iran for simply building nuclear weapons why didn't we attack North Korea? Why didn't we ever punish Pakistan (or India)?

One the US attack Iraq, Iran saw that it needed nuclear weapons as a hedge against US attacks. The spike in oil prices helped provide the capital. We have help steerer Iran to do this by needlessly singling them out. (Why is Iran part of the Axis of Evil but not Syria or Saudi Arabia?)

I apologize for typos in the above. Here is the second section again

Once the US attacked Iraq, Iran saw that it needed nuclear weapons as a hedge against US attacks. The spike in oil prices helped provide the capital. We have helped steer Iran to build nuclear weapons by needlessly singling them out. (Why is Iran part of the Axis of Evil but not Syria or Saudi Arabia?)

ooddballz
But OUR belief that a man will rise from the dead, and then RAISE the dead makes sense?

Frankly, neither belief makes sense to me. Having said that, there is an important, practical distinction between Christian and Mahdi doctrine as practiced today: Christianity does not view Armageddon as something positive.

Do not get me wrong.I adhere to the Judao Christian faith, but am not so sure we have room to criticize THAT particular belief....

I have no stake in anyone's personal faith as long as it is not thrust upon me, but when that belief gets tied to doctrine that necessitates Armageddon in order to "save us", I've got major problems with it. It becomes a nutty "I love you so much, I've got to kill you" pathology.

If the Iranians wanted to rally around a crater, go for it!







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