"Turkey has also voiced concern about the film and Iran called it a "provocative and Satanic" act." -- from this article
I won't bother with Iran, the place where girls are stoned to death (with the whole village joining in), and where leaders of the Baha'i and Jewish communities were promptly executed as soon as Khomeini (and therefore hanging judge Khalkhali) came to power), the Islamic Republic of Iran.
No, I'll note only the "concern" of Turkey, a country where Mein Kampf was recently published and became a best-seller, without any Turkish attempt to suppress it -- though we have evidence that "Mein Kampf" historically was a tad more dangerous than a 15-minute movie, consisting largely, I gather, of excerpts from the Qur'an and then visuals of Muslim behavior today that one can reasonably conclude were prompted by those Qur'anic passages.
And that same Turkey, that now expresses its "concern," had as its box-office smasheroo a movie, Valley of the Wolves, in which American soldiers were portrayed as non-stop Nazi killers, and a Jewish doctor was portrayed as harvesting organs from Iraqis (presumably some of them dispatched for that express purpose), organs later to be sold in New York and Tel Aviv.
Here is how Wikipedia describes this propaganda film that might have been produced by the same Hitlerite regime that produced "Jude Suss":
The film has been controversial due to its portrayal of US military personnel as well as a Jewish character engaging in the harvesting of organs from civilian prisoners.In one sequence, the American commander Sam William Marshall (the film's villain) raids an Arab wedding and massacres a number of civilians, which might allude to the wedding party massacre in Mukaradeeb on May 19, 2004.
US soldiers torture detainees in Abu Ghraib prison, including a female soldier makes a human pyramid, referring to the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse. It is the first depiction of actions by American soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison on film.
While captives are transported on a long journey in a container on a truck, one guard says to the other: "They might suffocate in the container because there is no fresh air supply". The truck stops, the (American) guard gets off the truck and fires hundreds of bullet-holes into the container with an automatic weapon "in order to make holes for the air to get in", but many detainees are injured or die. A similar event is reported to have occurred in Afghanistan after the battle for Mazari Sharif on November 9, 2001, with Taliban soldiers in the container and soldiers of the Afghan Northern Alliance as their guardians, as described in the documentary film Massacre at Mazar by Irish filmmaker Jamie Doran. This event is also reenacted in the film The Road to Guantanamo.
The film features a Jewish-American Army doctor (Gary Busey) who harvests fresh organs from injured Iraqi prisoners to sell to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv for transplantation.
Did anyone in Turkey make a move to ban this evil fiction?
No, I thought not.
How does the Turkish government, then, dare to express its "concern" over a 15-minute movie that will have almost certainly not the slightest fiction in it, but only the fact of passages from the Qur'an (and possibly the Hadith), passages that every Muslim knows, and yet that apparently all of organized Islam, and all Muslim governments, wish to make sure are not known to and are not brought to the attention of the world's Infidels.
Sorry. You should have thought about that long ago, when you began your campaign of moving into the Western world, and of having so many Muslims whipped up into behaving against Infidels according to the very texts that you apparently think can indefinitely be kept from being exposed to the gaze of Infidels.
No. Remember that business about fooling some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not being able to fool all of the people all of the time?
Yes, it has a familiar ring. Well, just substitute the word "Infidels" for the word "people" and you'll get the current drift.
I alway thought Honest Abe's saying went thusly: "You can fool some of the people some of the time, and you can some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.
I am outraged that Islamic polities, cleric-ridden as they are, want to collectively, through the O.I.C., muzzle our individual right to speak out, to impose hate speech laws on us, and collectively intimidate us. Well, they can muzzle some of the people some of the time, and they can muzzle some of the people all of the time; but they CAN'T MUZZLE ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME!
Should read: "... and you can fool some of the people all of the time; ..."
That is, I alway[s] thought ...
Especially interesting puffing and preening after Ankara's foray into Islamic textual criticism last week:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020145.php
Here is the really dismaying thing: when the film
is shown and the riots begin, when innocent people are made to suffer because an anachronistic superstition which was spread by the sword refuses to be as subject to criticism as anything else, the response will be excuses excuses excuses - and not from Muslims. Commentators will virtually line up to take their turn exonerating Islam and blaming Geert Wilders.
And for this, some people think that Turkey should be allowed in the E.U.
Un-frikken believable.
Then again, they've probably already made Kosovo a member.
walterc - I agreed! And why do we send them foreign aid?
The proposed riot control for Moslems upset by the thought of a film showing the truth about Islam: that is, "violence is engendered in the koran," is also applicable to rioting Turks--wherever they may be.
They (the riot control methods, not the gobbling of the outraged Turkeys) are worth repeating:
Escalation in rioting crowd control:
1. Water cannons
2. Tear gas
3. Pepper spray
4. Unbearable noise that hurts ears
5. Flame throwers
Order of control techniques may be varied.
from comment "27. Antidotes to Rock-Throwing Crowds (Intifadas)"
to "Arab 'Third Intifada' Underway?"
at IsraelNN.com
According to the Internet Movie Database, Billy Zane is also in it portraying Sam William Marshall.
Imagine if a Hollywood anybody made an anti-American or pro-Japanese movie in 1942. Their careers would be over never, never to act in an American movie again, but these two __________'s continue working. We might, just might excuse Busey because his motorcycle crash in '88 may have left him forever addled.
An excerpt from one of the reviews at IMDb:
"When I watched this movie I was somewhat reminded of a mixture between a classic (bad) western and a Nazi propaganda movie from the forties."
Busey and Zane both were in this vicious propaganda film. And so was Ghassan Massoud, who appeared in "Pirates of the Caribeean." I've always liked the title of that Hollywood tell-all book: "You'll never eat lunch, or work, or something, in this town again."
I hope not one of them appears in a Hollywood movie again. And I'd make sure that everyone -- including the people who financed that movie -- are subject to a permanent boycott. There has to be a way to make people understand that there will be consequences. They "only did it for the money" you say? Fine. Then the only thing that will be denied them, in effect, is mere "money."
Will our illustrious Press show us what all the fuss in Europe is about? Or are they afraid that "the Truth will set us free"? That used to be their collective mantra was it not.
Duh#1: While most Euros are indoctrinated dhimmis, it is a fact that the Bush lunatocracy has been agitating for Turkey's inclusion in Europe. Why the hell is that an American interest? Why was the recognition of independence for the proto-terrorist entity of Kosovo, in the American interest? Actually, the only interest served are the post administration financial grabs that Bush has on his mind. Cheney soaked up $60,000,000 in Post Gulf War1 money; the Bush Crime Family wants its share.
Duh#2: When the French promoted Secularism by banning muslim slave garb in public institutions, the Bush Crime Family protested against France.
I saw "Valley of the Wolves." In the organ harvest scene depiction, an organ from a killed Abu Ghraib prisoner is seen being loaded into a box labeled "Tel Aviv." The Wedding Massacre scene follows scribed character motivation, based on extreme hatred for muslims. Clearly, muslims hunger for promotion of hatred against the West. So why the hell are we nation building in those cess pools? Why are we allowing those desert savages to take oil from wells that were discovered by Anglo-American interests?
Message to Saudi-Lobby supporters: your beloved Royal Family recognizes only the sovereignty of the arab tribal deity (allah). To Saudis, Spain is occupied "Andalusia" (the word Spain does NOT appear on travel brouchures in the Kingdom). America is the last salient in final jihad.
I asked a lawyer if otherwise unlawful downloads can be executed for the singular purpose of critical review. He said, "as long as it is erased immediately after that use." Note: the Mininova website is top-twenty on the WWW; desktop download utilities - like bittorrent - are safe and used by tens of millions. Your choice if you want to download that Turkish poison:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/725817
Michelle Malkin posts this Obama Presidential Seal:
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/rustyseal.jpg
Isn't Turkey 99% islamic?
If so...'nuff saud.
I took a hiatus from commenting at a certain atheist web site because, among other things, they characterized Ms Malkin as a hate monger. As I visit atheist and skeptic websites, I become more of a believer that there are too many reactionary, vocal atheists, and they are what give atheism a bad name. There are too many of these people who are just as bigoted as anybody in the general population.
I do not believe that very many atheists can be counted on to resist jihad.
I forgot to include that they still consider fundamental Christians as the real problem. Some of them refer to Fred Phelps so often that they become silly.
The Irrational Atheist
Posted by: Pelayo at March 5, 2008 11:52 PM
Depressing, isn't it?
"I do not believe that very many atheists can be counted on to resist jihad."
-- from a comment above
Really?
Ayaan Hirsi Ali?
Wafa Sultan?
Ibn Warraq?
Ali Sina?
Irfan Khawaja?
Oriana Fallaci?
Magdi Allam?
Caroline Fourest?
Pavel Kohout?
Alain Finkielkraut?
Pascal Bruckner?
Paul Berman?
There's a dozen. Let's make it a Baker's Dozen. Think of someone associated with this website. Thirteen At Dinner.
“The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to have endured these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people."
George W. Bush, February 19, 2000
You can count me as # Thirteen for Dinner.
I'm pretty sure he meant himself.
I'd like to voice my "concern" over these statements:
Erdogan: There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it. Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007
Erdogan: Assimilation is crime against humanity
Middle East Online February 13 2008
No. Shiva can be #13. I'll be #14. You know what they say about atheists -- they're terribly superstitious.
Hugh-
As long as the dinner is roasted Turkey, I'll bring the agnostic dessert.
Hazelnut Pavlova.
(Guaranteed to salivate.)
Hugh, Shiva,
I'll be #15.
Listen, why is everyone staying up so late? For god's sake, I'm tired and want to go to bed. But I don't want to leave the site entirely untended. This being on Night Watch stuff just isn't what it was cracked up to be. And I don't care what Rembrandt said.
Hugh, If I'm not mistaken, Shiva is 12 hours ahead of us, in Indonesia. That's halfway around the globe. Perhaps your stellar dinner party could meet in the middle--Athens, or Honolulu, or Pago Pago?
Hugh, these people I meet on these websites are ordinary people just like me, neither mover nor shaker. You listed twelve and added a thirteenth. You can add another if you want to, but no one will invite the likes of me to speak at a symposium. There are hundreds of thousands who still need convincing.
There are a lot more than sixteen of us who regularly comment on this site, and we are all "preaching to the choir."
"preaching to the choir..."
Well, make that choir bigger. Send articles that appear here around, and post them on other relevant websites. Make sure that each day you have alerted at least one person to the existence of this site, given that person its address, and are likely to impress upon him how useful you have found it. And if it is someone who works in a store you frequent, or someone who are likely to run in for other reasons, then ask that person if he went to the site, and if not, keep after him. Sweetly, but relentlessly.
Hugh, it is very frustrating swapping comments with skeptics and atheists. I have posted links to news articles; the response is usually to attack the source. They reply that Michelle Malkin and World Net Daily are hatemongers, and they find equivalency nearly every where. I get the impression that they are more afraid of Fred Phelps than anything. It is frustrating swapping comments with these people. I've had my fill of ad hominem commens from these so called skeptics. Ad hominem ad nauseum.
One commenter even had the nerve to use Andrea Yates as an example of murder committed in the name of Christianity. The unconvincable cannot be convinced.
"I hope not one of them appears in a Hollywood movie again. And I'd make sure that everyone -- including the people who financed that movie -- are subject to a permanent boycott."
by Hugh
It's more likely they will gain notoriety and be seen on the talk show circuit and even get an award, if that's possible. There must be foreign film festivals that will feature and honor it. Its producers and actors will be heroes, battling the evil America and the more evil Jews. Such is the world we live in.
If anyone cares to cite Koran verses at skeptics, here's a great Science Blogs thread to do it. I'm trying my best but I don't have the familiarity to do it well.
And can I sing baritone in the anti-jihadi atheist choir?