She "had been seeking permanent residence in India, where she moved after spending time in Europe and the United States. But New Delhi had stalled the request, fearful of a backlash from the country's 140 million-plus Muslims, and has given the openly atheistic author only six-month visas."
If free people survive in India, they will look upon this as a moment of shame in the country's history.
"Writer flees Islamic death threats," from Agence France-Presse (thanks to all who sent this in):
BANGLADESHI writer Taslima Nasreen has left India after being hounded into hiding by death threats from Islamic extremists, her publisher and friends say."Taslima Nasreen flew out of New Delhi this afternoon to Europe for medical treatment,'' her publisher Sibani Mukherjee said.
She said Nasreen had asked her not to reveal the author's exact destination.
Close friends also told said she had left India, and some Indian television stations reported that Nasreen was headed for Canada.
Nasreen was forced to flee Bangladesh in 1994 after radical Muslims accused her of blasphemy over her novel Lajja (Shame') - which depicts the life of a Hindu family persecuted by Muslims in Bangladesh.
The 45-year-old gynaecologist-turned-author - whose predicament is similar to that of Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie - had been seeking permanent residence in India, where she moved after spending time in Europe and the United States.
But New Delhi had stalled the request, fearful of a backlash from the country's 140 million-plus Muslims, and has given the openly atheistic author only six-month visas.
The writer was forced to flee the West Bengal state capital of Kolkata, which she adopted as home in 2004, in November after receiving death threats from radical Indian Muslims and had since been living in hiding in New Delhi under Indian government security protection....
There are telling moments in the lives of nations. This is, in the life of modern post-partition India, one of them. But it is not only a telling moment in the life of India, which cannot guarantee the security of a Muslim apostate, in a country where Hindus make up 85% of the population, and Hindus rule. And in the same way, non-Muslims constitute 85% of the world's population, but seem hell-bent on running scared from Muslims, who threaten at every turn, and demand that free men, those who are not submissive to the will of Allah, deny themselves the exercise of their own freedoms.
What should happen is this: India's president, Abdul Kalam, is nominally a Muslim -- but a Muslim who proudly admits to having read the Bhagavad Gita, and is, in every known respect, a Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslim. In a spirit of Muslim "tolerance" he should invite Taslima Nasreen to live, under his personal protection, in the Presidential compound. Let Abdul Kalam make it a test of his fellow Muslims, as they display, or fail too, that famous "peace and tolerance" we hear so much about.
One hopes that in exile Taslima Nasreen will receive all kinds of attention. But considering how little attention was given to a beautiful, articulate, and what's more, fashionably black-African woman, one wonders.
As in England, so goes India.
Nasreen was forced to flee Bangladesh in 1994 after radical Muslims accused her of blasphemy over her novel Lajja (Shame') - which depicts the life of a Hindu family persecuted by Muslims in Bangladesh.
This is what happens when a moderate muslim speaks out against islamic extremism. The Muslim Mafia enforces the "Code of Silence".
Worst thing that ever happened to India was when it didn't do a population exchange with Pakistan in 1947. The Koranists have been a pain in the rear ever since with no end in sight.
IFL,
If I am correct, there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan.
Elric-
That might be true but Pakistan can handle it. Illah shall provide for them all in his usual wonderful way.
IFL,
I think you misunderstood me. I was just stating the danger India is in with such a large population of Muslims within its borders which is even larger then its main enemy.
Elric-
Ah, I see your point. Still, it would be nice if India sent their Koranists over anyway. Then they'll be happily among their own kind.
Hindus in Pakistan, Muslims in India.
So what purpose was served by partition?
IFL,
I agree. Would be better if they had done a swap. Muslims in India have full rights while the Hindu's in Pakistan do not. Plus the fact you would have no 5th Column in India
India, watch your back.
(Times 140,000,000.)
India has more muslims than Pakistan, in fact, it's officially got the second largest muslim population in the world. Unofficially, it has by far the largest population of practicing muslims, because Indonesia, which wears the crown, has a large percentage of tribals and animists, nominally co-opted into islam's fold.
Regardless, India's pathetic arch-Dhimmi performance can only be ascribed to the mendacity of its politicians who are forever hungry for the muslim bloc votes, with many immigrants from Bangladesh calling the shots in border States of Bengal, Assam, Tripura etc. One Priyadarshan Munshi, a Hindu minister in Govt of India, covered himself with Dhimmi glory by suggesting that Tasleema "beg forgiveness with folded hands" from muslims. All for writing a book documenting the unjust and violent persecution of Hindus by muslims in Bangladesh!
Most of the Indians are smugly unaware of what islam is, other than what they have been spoon-fed by the muslim-censored government and media - that islam is a religion of peace, like all others and allah is just another name for God and mohammed was one of nicest, loving, just and adorable founder of his religion, just like Jesus. In India everyone bleats this and hears this all the time. Like I have said earlier, India is a low hanging fruit for islam. Large swathes of its countryside have become muslim majority areas already. Muslims won't waste too much time in asserting themselves, once they realise that linked with the ummah in Pakistan and Bangladesh, they have a majority in the sub-continent. The dumb and befuddled Indian politicians will not even know what hit them. But they well deserve what they get.
Hah, like she'll have any luck in Europe too. Just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Until all countries grow a spine and tell the fundamentalists to STFU, then Taslima Nasreen will not find a permanent home.
The Hindu minister's name is Priyaranjan Das Munshi.He is a politician from Bengal, in the federal govt of India.
Really amazing ! The westerners who were abusing indians who supported the BJP as nazis and fascists are now supporting Indians now that their back is on fire !
profitsbeard, you watch your back ! We can take care of ourselves pretty well as this is a very old problem for us. We will successfully deal with this problem irrespective of whether you are with us or not( as when you were denouncing the BJP when islamic fundamentalists were not hurting you back).
Scaredfromhostel,
If its a very old problem, why hasnt India taken care of it? But then, I could ask that of anyone since its a 1400 year probblem. I think we all need to join together or will fall seperately.
It is something similar to the situation of Greet Wilders .He wants to exhibit Fitna the movie but has been constrained to an extent. The Govt.of India today is the same govt. who in 1975 imposed Emergency and screwed up all the political opponents .Muslims made a large chunk of the opposition because of sterilizations vasectomies. On hindsight that era looks good now for Hindus. Though Hindus also faced vasectomies then .Today they are adopting voluntarily including all other methods of birth control. Muslims in India , es ply. the types who were after Nasreen don't adopt at all. And on top of that they create law and order problems. The Govt. mutely watches. They are holding the country to ransom. Munshi told Nasreen to fold hands and beg. Did Munshi really think that the threatening goons would have given up then ? He is a FOOL if he thought so.They will continue and keep whining. He and others like him are only passing time and making money while the sun shines. Foolish leaders of foolish people.
This Muslim vote-grab is disgraceful behaviour on the part of the Indian government. It is just the latest in a long line of similar events in many countries. However, until honest, diligent and intelligent people (in every country!) start getting involved in politics and taking control of their countries presents and futures, nothing will change.
Sorry, that should read: countries' presents and futures
I doubt this courageous lady will be able to survive for long in Europe either. She could all too easily end up like Theo van Gogh.
The USA MIGHT be able to help her if ONLY it had a stronger civilian-refugee protection program in place; but in an election year and with the country absolutely swimming in red ink such a new policy as this is not likely to be implemented. America was unable to help Ms. Ali, and it will probably not be able to help Ms. Nasreen out either, alas.
Maybe Ms. Nasreen should try her luck with the Israelis!
This is a really sad state of affairs in India. If I am not mistaken I believe many of these Muslims are descendants of Hindus who were converted forcibly or chose to convert due to the dhimmi status...correct me if I am wrong. The division of India was a huge tragedy because of the Muslims need to be the rulers not the dhimmis. India needs to maintain its will to promote secular and democratic values and human equality with freedom of speech without having to submit to Muslim mob rule. But I think it is become weak and personally the west has a stronger will to resist Islamic encroachment.
She arrived to Stockholm a couple of hours ago. She was met by the secret police and was taken to a safe place. She will stay here for a while I think.
"If I am not mistaken I believe many of these Muslims are descendants of Hindus who were converted forcibly or chose to convert due to the dhimmi status...correct me if I am wrong."
-- from a posting above
Of course you are right. Not "many" but most of these Muslim, are descendants of Hindus, as well as of Buddhists, Jains, and other indigeous pre-existing faiths or mental constructs. But mainly, all those Muslim mobs in Pakistan and Bangladesh, are clearly the descendants of Hindus. What else could their ancestors have been? And just how large could the number of Muslim invaders have been, compared to the total number of those conquered in Hindu India? It must have been a very small number.
Hugh
Abdul Kalam is no longer the president of India - his term ended last year, and he was succeeded by Prathibha Patil - who has been discussed once on Dhimmi Watch re: her comments on the veil.
Scaredfromhostel
When less than 50% of Hindus are 'communal' (Indian for 'Islamophobic'), it doesn't look like India can successfully deal with this problem. After all, you had a BJP led NDA government before this one, and as a price of the support of the 'secular' allies, all the controversial programs of the BJP (e.g. getting rid of Article 370 awarding a special status to Kashmir, putting on hold the Ram Janmabhoomi temple in Ayodhya, et al) were sacrificed at the alter of the 'minimum common program', so that nothing could be done to undermine the attacks on India coming from Islam. It's going to take another 1947 like bloodbath that would hopefully eviscerate every secular Indian politician in addition to your resident Qatloos, and by the time that happens, hopefully, people will be so aware of this that people won't be demanding the BJP or the RSS - the Bajrang Dal is the party people will be supporting for power.
Please come to America Nasreen and help explain to the American people what is at stake in the struggle against supremacist Islam.
"If its a very old problem, why hasnt India taken care of it? But then, I could ask that of anyone since its a 1400 year probblem. I think we all need to join together or will fall seperately."
---- Elric66
"When less than 50% of Hindus are 'communal' (Indian for 'Islamophobic'), it doesn't look like India can successfully deal with this problem. After all, you had a BJP led NDA government before this one, and as a price of the support of the 'secular' allies, all the controversial programs of the BJP (e.g. getting rid of Article 370 awarding a special status to Kashmir, putting on hold the Ram Janmabhoomi temple in Ayodhya, et al) were sacrificed at the alter of the 'minimum common program', so that nothing could be done to undermine the attacks on India coming from Islam. It's going to take another 1947 like bloodbath that would hopefully eviscerate every secular Indian politician in addition to your resident Qatloos, and by the time that happens, hopefully, people will be so aware of this that people won't be demanding the BJP or the RSS - the Bajrang Dal is the party people will be supporting for power."
--- Infidel Pride
In response to both of you I will say this. The BJP and the RSS could have solved this muslim problem long back. But the western countries branding us fascists and nazis made it really impossible for awakened hindus to act. They were busy explaining to the west why a tolerant religion was going to send muslims to the gas chambers. Plus the pressure to look good in front of westerners sapped all our energies.
Now that westerners are feeling the heat they want us (BJP & RSS) to support them in their fight against Islam.
"But I think it is become weak and personally the west has a stronger will to resist Islamic encroachment."
by savsiv
Very hilarious comment.Hindus are stronger and much better equipped to deal with this problem than westerners. In fact I can tell you that the West will collapse in the face of the organised Islamic attack and will be subjected by muslims. And it will be the hindus who will liberate them. Just like in the second world war Hindutva leaders like Veer Savarkar played a major role in liberating the West from Nazi tyranny ---- only to have the thankless West call him and his ilk Nazis.
Hate to say this , but West is morally bankrupt and cannot face the Islamic threat and win over it. They have double standards always. One day the BJP is facist now there are Islamofascists !
But I fully support the West's attempts to protect itself. Its my duty. In fact all of mankind's duty. But all I am saying is don't expect the West to support us when we are the only ones suffering from the Islamic problem , or for that matter any problem !
West's and America's support to Pakistan is largely responsible for our current mess in India. I cannot understand them backing Pakistan even after the end of the cold war. Only now there seems to some realisation , because their own homes are becoming the target !
scaredfromhostel:
Well I hope I am wrong and that the Hindus will prevail. It is true that the west had supported Pakistan on the Kashmir issue and that the Jihadists were actually considered to be freedom fighters by the west. I also believe that many of the Muslims in west came in through the asylum process and the west was generally ignorant and naive of the driving force of Islam. I think that India had warned the west of what they were dealing with but the did not heed her advice.
The average Hindu is actually much less of a dhimmi than what most Hindu nationalists feel is the problem.
Dunk (and everyone else reading JW)-
You remarked that the problem in India is similar to that of the West. It is similar, but not to the same extent. Let me expand on my thoughts.
- Hinduism has, for several thousand years been a far more tolerant religion that Christianity and Islam. When Rome destroyed the Jewish temple, Jews fled to India and remained in the one country (out of 129) that did not persecute them for their believes. India also housed the Zoroastrians when they fled the destruction of Persia as well as a few Syrian Christians. The tolerance inherent in the system is taken advantage of by both Islamists and ruthless Baptist missionaries out to "save Pagan India".
- Hindus have been fighting Muslims for a millennium. You read that right - 1000 years. Give the man on the street a bit of credit. They know the boundaries. The reason they don't fight back is either because they're afraid or the remnant of Gandhi. You can search for this quote on Google if you feel the need or you can trust me on it. Gandhi, during the 1947 riots told Hindus and Sikhs to stop fighting because he said getting killed didn't matter as long as it was from their Muslim "brothers". Thankfully, many people did not heed his word and defended themselves appropriately.
- The legacy of colonialism still lingers in India. After the British killed the last Indian forces during the War of 1857, they decided brute force couldn't be used. They disarmed all the kings, and decided they were going to create an entire class of "brown sahibs", basically Indian Britishers who would look, talk, think, and shit like an Englishman. They imposed their education system, their ideas, etc. Much of the cultural aspects faded after they left but they left behind a colonial history littered with inaccuraces and falsifications to make the average Indian see himself, his history, and his civilization as useless. Because much of the important Indian history is Hindu, it was deemphasized.
This problem still continues today in the form of whitewashing the Islamic barbarities in India, colonial brutalities, the Goan Inquisition. Unless Hindus wake up to the glory of their civilization there will be a vacuum of Marxist, Islamic, and Christian nonsense that will unable to resist negative changes.
Blue:
I couldn't agree with you more. Hindus need to establish and maintain a great pride in their land. It is after all called Hindustan with a great and magnificent history and culture of the Vedas and a fantastic example of human creativity from dance to architecture to music and the list goes on.
Hindustan by the muslims but the vedic is Bharatbhumi.
Basically the West is largely responsible for the failure of Hindus in dealing with the muslim problem.
1) Throughout British Rule the British glorified the muslims and degraded the hindus. They hailed the muslims as a martial race and the hindus as effete and weak. This had a positive and a negative effect on the Muslims and the Hindus. British continued the policy even after independence and they always supported pakistan and never lost an oppurtunity to insult hindus. Nice to see British getting a taste of the martial spirit of the muslims.
2) Through the convent schools they fed the hindus negative ideas about their civilization and made them heavily ashamed about their religion and country. The products of such schools had a deep hatred for their culture and became secularists and as editors of newspapers perpetuated the ridicule of hindu religion painting it as full of superstition and backwardness.
3) Westerners always painted India in negative colours as a land of caste system , superstition and polytheism and bride-burning and Sati. This was done directly and through convent educated newspaper editors(mentioned in point number 2)
Conversely , Islam was portrayed as a religion of monotheism and brotherhood and compassion and socialism.Even though arranged marraige exists in both societies , west always expressed amazement about how hindus could live their lives with strangers but never ever questioned the muslims about the same. This behaviour was repeated for almost every aspect of their culture. All this further demoralised the hindus and made the muslims feel superior about their religion and culture and made them feel justified to destroy hindu culture. Nice to see westerners getting a taste of Islamic socialism and brotherhood
4) Mahatma Gandhi's ideas about showing the other cheek after one of them was slapped resoundingly is a western-christian spirituality and has no basis in Indian tradition and scriptures(which preach the opposite). With his ascetism and sacral oddity he successfully convinced Indian's to adopt western spirituality which has resulted in weakening of the country. Without Gandhism the pro-islamic congress government would not have been able to justfiy return of captured lands in 1965 war and soldiers (largest haul and of the same quantity after battle of Stalingrad) in 1975 losing golden oppurtunity to foreover settle the hindu muslim problem.
Hindus should not depend on the West nor expect the West to assist them in solving the muslim problem. When the twin towers fell most hindus were ecstatic and felt the west would now help hindus in solving their muslim problem. But what happened ? pakistan became the staunchest ally of the West in fighting the war on terror and it is a well known fact that all weaposn given to pakistan to fight the taliban are falling in to the hand of the extremists who are out to exterminate the hindus in India.
West backed Chechen rebels when they bombed Moscow and made life miserable for the Russians --- who have also suffered greatly in the past due to the Islamic invaders like Chengiz Khan.
West backed Chechen rebels when they bombed Moscow and made life miserable for the Russians --- who have also suffered greatly in the past due to the Islamic invaders like Chengiz Khan.