Er, not really. Did you catch the "Moses was high on drugs" story a few days ago? Now in "The Moses Crisis," Islam In Europe (thanks to John Doe) sketches out a scenario we'll never see in real life -- at least in connection with Jews -- but which we see playing out every day from the adherents of a certain Noble Religion of Peace:
Warning: There's no real connection between this story and reality.An Israeli academic will be stripped of his credentials, the Israeli education ministry decided today. The move followed several days of riots across the Jewish country with thousands coming out into the streets to demand the academic apologize for saying our Rabbi Moses and the Children of Israel were stoned when receiving the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.
"As the Middle East's only democratic state, we understand the necessity of academic freedom," said an Israeli education ministry spokesperson, "but even academics need to understand that there is a limit when insulting one's basic religious values." He added that Our Rabbi Moses was a revered figure in Jewish thought. 'Rabbi' is an ancient Hebrew word meaning 'teacher'.
Benny Shanon had published the study in the philosophy journal Time and Mind, based on his own dubious experiences with taking drugs. 100 Israeli parliamentarians participated in a protest march yesterday, demanding Shanon be punished for insulting the Jewish people, Our Rabbi Moses, and for causing such disorder.
Shanon is currently under arrest.
The story was republished by newspapers across the world with such headlines as "Moses: Let my people get high?" and "No wonder they wandered 40 years in the desert", setting off protests in various Jewish communities in the West as well. In Denmark Jews marched through the streets of Copenhagen, demanding respect for their religious beliefs. "We're all for freedom of the press, but there must be a point where decency triumphs."...
Read it all!
He should be free to say what he wants. They should be free to ignore him.
Have they learned nothing about free speech?
Oh, wait. They have learned, unlike muslims.
Where is Hebraic Rage Boy when you need him?
Mohammad was demented and delusional !
Robert - it's no laughing matter ...
The Muslims might firebomb, blow you up, or behead some folks, but you get a group of Jews riled up ... they gonna "Bris ya"
Borg, would you defend Ward Churchill? Would you allow Ward Churchill to continue spreading his intellectual manure based on academic freedom?
Moses and the Magic Mushrooms?
Gordon Wasson, thou shouldst be living at this hour. And you too, Roman Jakobson. And even the man who took the pictures, Allan Richardson (would he have been hired by the Brearley School today, if they knew that hallucinogenic mushrooms were his best models?). Yes, apparently not just "Russia, Mushrooms, and History" but "Everything, Mushrooms, and History."
Hilarious! However, it would be more "true-to-life" if the rioters were demanding "Benny Shanon's" death.
Moses was both stoned and overdosed.
Them Jews! Always rioting!
Why don't they stop being so violent, and start winning nobel prizes by the hundreds, like the Muslims?
Moses was stoned was he. He most likely was. If the old fool had turned right instead of turning left after he left the Sinai. The Jews would have got all the oil and the Arabs the oranges, and we wouldn't be in the shit we are now.
What about those Ten Commandments? They were written on tablets of STONE! So that proves that Moses was...........
Oh, no rioting outside my window! Israel boycotts gentile comedy! The IDF is invading my hometown! I am being burned in effigy in the streets in Boca Raton, Florida!
Thank God it was all a dream. It's not like a major religion would ever do such a thing.............
Pelayo,
Aren't you comparing apples and oranges?
Of course I wouldn't defend Ward Churchill but I wouldn't start or participate in a riot over what he said and I wouldn't put him in jail or threaten him with legal sanctions. If he makes false accusations the affected parties can sue him for libel or defamation. As long as he doesn't commit an overt criminal act, he is free to be a jerk. His employer should be free to retain him and the public should be free to avoid doing business with him and his employer.
"but even academics need to understand that there is a limit when insulting one's basic religious values."
This is the argument of Muslims who don't want anything negative said in public about their religion. Do we want to stoop to their level? People like Churchill need to be discredited, not censored. They say what they say to get attention. Censoring them lets them claim victimhood.
Ward Churchill lost his job because he lied about his background (and it was his supposed ethnicc "background" that got him a job in the quite-unnecessary "Ethnic Studies" Departmet), lied about his degrees, and produced nothing of scholarly value. But, he turned out to be a tireless and serial plagiarist, in a "culture" which still has not yet (as Michael Dyson suggests people with "oral cultures" permit themselves, in a more relaxed fashion, in his televised defense of Obama's borrowing from Deval Patrick), decided to ignore that literal lifting from others. That, and not Ward Churchill's repulsive and crazed views, were the reasons for his losing the well-tenured chair that he had managed to obtain,,under every kind of false prtense-- and in that obtaining, to deny to someone else (possibly a real American Indian, for the job was supposed to be filled by one) that position. That was why he lost his job.
As for punishing him for continuing to be, out of academic life as in it, a total and absolute shit, almost classically and comically hideous in every respect -- ah, that's another matter.
This spoof applies also to the followers of every other religion that exists today -- Christians, Buddhists, Hindus (with minor localized exceptions usually due to reactions to the outrages of Muslims), the few Zoroastrians who remain after their near genocide at the hands of Muslims, and the various flavors of paganism around the world. Even followers of the vast majority of weird cults behave themselves with more decency, rationality and maturity than do most Muslims.
And while there are stories. one more to add:
"The Obama is definitely not a muslim, has no ties to the umma, much less the Nation of Islam, the stories of his parentage are exagerated, and he was really picked up as a baby from a raft of bullrushes on the river Nile by a Princess of the Royal Household, and raised by ancient Egyptian Royalty and not purported relatives in another part of Africa."
There has been a persistent rumor that soma of the gods was a hallucinogenic. Jungle tribes know very well what root, vine, or mushroom, if eaten or smoked, will put you into visions and conversation with the great spirit. I suspect that some people of Moses time knew these things as well.
Was Moses stoned on the Mt? Well, there are only four choices. He was stoned and hallucinated the whole thing, he was crazed and hallucinated the whole thing, God actually spoke to him from the burning bush or the whole story was a fable turned into reality, and it never really happened at all.
Atheists might adopt the last, while religious people would go for the third, but only people seeking to throw a dim light on Judaism and Christianity, not to mention Islam, would go for the drug idea. In my estimation, the ten commandments make too much sense to be hallucinated...
If Israel is being coerced by Bush-Rice, take a look at what B. Hussein Obama has in store for her.
(look at his projected Mid East policy)
He will abandon our ally.
Not to worry.
Slow death versus fast death.
Was Moses and the Ten Commandments taken seriously by Islam? After all, he is one of their greatest Prophets. Here is a short comparison list...
1. No other gods before me....Yep they have that one.
2. No graven images...........and this one as well.
3. Lords name in vain.........also this one.
4. Remember sabbath...........I don't think they have this one.
5. Honor mother and father....I don't think they have this one either.
6. Thou shall not kill........I know they don't have this one.
7. not commit adultery........With lots of loopholes.
8. Thou shall not steal.......or this one
9. not bear false wittness....or this one
10.Not covet anothers goods...or this one.
So Islam is batting only three out of ten. The Prophet Moses is not very credible then in Islams eye's anyway, so I don't expect them to get too uppity about Moses drug habits.
Instead of rioting and attacking burger joints, Jews should try and figure out what Moses was taking and get some of it. You too can talk to a burning bush...
This is so funny because it won't happen. Yet where is the MSM's guide about why they shouldn't publish this kind of story because it may inflame some of their readers?
Shouldn't the reporter have sought out some effected Jews/Israelis and asked how they felt about the effect such a report would have on them personally?
I'm glad I gave up on the MSM a long time ago, but the events of this decade are beyond comprehension.
Buddhists in Sri Lanka analyze suspicious residue on Buddha's tooth and find ancient Cannabis Indica resin!
That was no Bodhi Tree, it was a Hemp Shrub!
The Buddha was on buds!
Hinayana Buddhists riot by throwing flowers at dentists' shops across Southeast Asia.
Mahahyana Buddhists burn down their own egos.
Film at 11.
If Moses was high when he came up with the Ten rules for human conduct--which make sense, then imagine what the man from mecca must 've been on when he spewed out his "revelations."
It is past time for a study to ascertain all material that the man from mecca ingested prior to the crapola that came out of his mouth. I mean that stuff don't make any sense at'all!
Look at that horse with that took him up to see the Big Man, for instance--weird, if there ever was something weird.
onct, I went looking for some flower or other in Mexico--not datura, but my mind fails me sometimes, often really--to get visions, wisdom, whatever--from the blossom, I mean man. Never found it, but later found out that if you go without sleep for days on end, you get to meet some pretty interesting people or whatever. I remember a green guy with a head like a frog whom I met while sitting under a red-and-blue Martini & Rossi umbrella at a cafe--or was it a Noilly Prat umbrella?
What was I thinking? what was I going to say? Oh yes, someone once told me that was mescalito but I hadn't drank any of that toad-tasting stuff, not that time anyway.
but back to the man from mecca, that stuff he came up with it don't jell. I mean man, you start reading that koran and you start thinking that must've been some--hey! I hope I'm not stepping on someone's toes here, I mean, if I am, I sure am sorry, but why call somethig the cow when you're not talking about cows?
sometimes, i have some weird stuff come in my head, real weird man, but i don't tell nobody, because, well, I don't want 'em to think I'm not right, you know what I mean?
anyway, somebody ought to do some research, find out what plants grow around mecca or what happens in your head if someone's trying to feed you some poison--but no, who would have wanted to do that to the man?
well I gotta go now, read what they wrote down the man said, see if I can boil it down to one--oops! tea's boiling over
If it had been Muslims, he would've been tortured, executed, dismembered, and then arrested.
It was Ward Churchuill's repulsive and crazed views plus the outrageous way he presented them that placed him under the microscope. If he had been a lot less arrogant and kept a little quieter, he just might have never been exposed. His mouth was bigger than his resume.
PMK, when someone like Benny Shanon, makes an academic assertion with no supporting evidence. It's like George Carlin's early sports reporter routine. "I call 'em like I see 'em; and if I don't see 'em, I make 'em up. When an "academic" makes such wild claims, it brings his objectivity under scruitiny. "Probably" just doesn't cut it.
It never occurred to folks that the "burning bush" was Sinai Gold-bud.
"Warning: There's no real connection between this story and reality."
We know - but that's the way Islam is - thanks for the warning though.
Pelayo,
How is saying that someone is free to ignore the bile Churchill produces a defense of Churchill? Churchill is free to be wrong and even derogatory. We are free to reject his views and even shun those who publish him.
Ward Churchill may be a bad example here but the question still remains: do you want academics or historians to limit their research or avoid fields of inquiry in order to avoid "insulting someone's religious views"?
Loved it! Thanks!
substitute Mohamed for Moses and Muslims for jew and the story might be true
The most likely cause for Mohammed's "revelations" is
"wahi"--The supernatural Basis of Islam
Ironically when I was in my teens, my Rabbi suggested that many of the early visions might have been helped by some of the indiginous plants and trees. This was back in the late 60's early 70's. He was a cool guy...did yoga, was a vegetarian. Once, while lecturing in Sunday school he pointed out that the original Hebrew.Aramaic.whatever translation did not say that Mary was a virgin ... only described her as a "young" Jewish girl and (coincidentally) he looked right at me and said "And we all know that not all young Jewish girls are virgins." I COULD HAVE DIED!!!
This talk of Moses and Drug reminds me of Aldous Huxley. And his books like the one 'Doors of Perception- Heaven and Hell'. Is anyone interested in the 'virtual world' ?. Research of Moses and Drug is somebody's bread and butter.