"Leading expert" again cites jihadists' "boredom"

"They are looking for glory ... thrills, and a sense of belonging to a group,"

Well... why don't they join a sporting club?

Marisol

I'll wager that much of that boredom comes from dwelling on the Qur'an. If all you had to read much of the time was the Qur'an, wouldn't you be bored too?

What ever happened to being just "bored silly"?

http://www.imboredsilly.com/index.php

Boredom is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition. Islam is both necessary, and very often sufficient, without more, to explain the terrorism by Muslims who are bent on conducting Jihad through violent means rather than to employ the other instruments of Jihad that attract less Infidel atttention.

But even if one were to accept Sageman's notion that "boredom" is the "root cause," then what? Because a great many people get bored with life. And if they are Muslims, and get bored, they become a threat. And since we Infidels have no way of guaranteeing that life will stay sufficiently exciting -- that us, unboring -- for the Muslims allowed to settle among us, deep behind what they have been taught to regard as enemy lines -- then the most sensible policy would be to simply keep them away from our lands in the first place. Or does Sageman have a recipe for limiting the amount of boredom and depression among Muslims, different from whatever recipe may exist for non-Muslims, and that clearly do not work.

Besides, as Gogol famously noted at the end of his story Nevsky Prospect: "Skuchno na etom svete, gospoda" ("Ladies and gentlemen, this world is boring.)

Infidel Pride-- You've got a point there. Whether by the law of the land, or under a devout family's roof, a "youth" could face a stifled, joyless existence, contrasted with the promise of an endless frat party of an afterlife for the "martyr."

There'd be boredom and restlessness, for sure, and far beyond the "there's nothing on tv" variety!

I saw his talk on C-Span. I have to admit that much of his talk seems suspect, but, perhaps now that I am 37, I am beginning to forget how malleable young people are.

For the record, he isn't talking about suicide bombers in Israel and Iraq. I think he might have even said that they are excluded from his analysis because they are "fighting for their land" .

He studies specifically such groups with the same scope as the 9-11, London Tube, and Madrid bombers.

To the person who mentioned being bored with reading the Qur'an: part of his thesis is that they don't read it (young people in the "third wave" are not particularly religious, and they don't know Arabic and don't typically study the Qur'an).

If Sageman is right about that - and I don't pretend to have done as much study on the topic as him - then we must understand how these kids can mass murder and commit suicide without being religiously motivated.

That's the part that seems counterintuitive to me.

Sageman keeps taking aim at the explanatory target now from this angle, and now from that, but he keeps missing. He's looking through the wrong sight.

The comical 'mr Bean' look-alike for the MCB, Inayat Bunglawussi, is in a panic-frenzy over some BBC airtime for the hated BNP.

* Islamofascists call on the BBC to protect them from the perceived fascism of the BNP:

* The BNP may be different things to different people, but most certainly it is not what the sleazy Bunglawussy from the MCB would have you believe it is:

* It would be intersting to see how quickly the MCB would shut down the free media should it ever get a chance….

But anyway, they try:

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/03/10/inner-struggle-watch/

One obvious source of Muslim "boredom" cannot be overlooked; young Muslim males and females are not permitted to mingle, date, or even speak to one another. Perhaps if they were allowed an earthly opportunity to meet women, they wouldn't be so anxious to enter Allah's brothel in the afterlife.

Hugh said

But even if one were to accept Sageman's notion that "boredom" is the "root cause," then what? Because a great many people get bored with life. And if they are Muslims, and get bored, they become a threat.

Non-Muslims get bored without blowing up trains or crashing jetliners into skyscrapers to get their thrills. Sageman seems unable to ask, "Why is it that Muslims, when bored, turn to terrorism, while non-Muslims do not?".

Non-Muslims are poor and do not turn to terrorism. Non-Muslims are uneducated and do not turn to terrorism. Non-Muslims are humiliated and do not turn to terrorism.

Muslims, poor and wealthy, uneducated and educated, bored and excited, humilated and non-humiliated, do turn to terrorism. Let's throw out the factors that do not show correlation with the facts, and stick to the one single factor that does show constant correlation with the facts: they are followers of Islam.

[Incidentally, this world is far from boring. The antidotes to boredom are omnipresent.]

I have a new task for the SETI program. Rather than look for intelligent life on other planets perhaps they should look for intelligent life on this one. It seems to decrease day by day, exponentially in the case concerning the root cause of terrorism.

A modest proposal for the New Millenium: It is apparent that many of our residents are bored and frustrated with their lives in our society, because they are not allowed to express the fullness of their identity. It is also apparent that those residents follow a creed which at first seems antithetical to the norms and laws of our own society. This combination of factors results in their expression of a level of violence which most of us would term "irrational."

But consider the simplest solution. Allow these residents to follow their creed to its utmost, even among us. Allow them to beat their many wives to a pulp after every Friday prayer, if not more often. Allow them to mutilate, rape and sell their daughters to each other, and to murder them at the slightest hint of independent thought or action. Turn your eyes away from the barely pubescent "dancing boys" draped in earrings and necklaces; they were promised to them by their god. Let the headchoppings begin in their public spaces, the whippings and hangings and amputations and stonings. Let the celebratory ululations at every murder rise to the sky; let the threatening screams of the muezzins shatter their communities five times a day, calling the faithful to grovel before the wise and bearded imams.

And in order to support the structure of this society, let us publicly finance the nikah-dowries and household financial establishment of young males, so they can focus their anger, boredom and violence inside their own communities.

What could bring better peace among us than this, to allow them their culture, their creed, their faith? Would they not turn away from violence against us then -- having such a rich source of victims in their own women and children, and when they are all finally dead, themselves?

Ah! This gives the English expression "bored to death" a whole new meaning.

"Latest terrorists are 'looking for thrills'

Don't panic!!! Our best and brightest are on the case...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwSgk5U0Zk

Although I don't agree totally with this proclamation, I cannot help thinking about the "lyrical terrorist" we had here in the UK not so long ago.
She said in court that she thought it was "cool" to have such a name.
Having said that she was in contact with now imprisoned islamic terrorists.
I think maybe there is something in this as I do not believe that they have such a strong driving force behind them which causes them all to jump off cliffs lemming like.
Do they?

I think there's something to Sageman's thesis. If Islam represents, from a Western , or Judeo-Christian point of view, an immoral ethic of violence and domination, a picture emerges of a sociopathic, or psychopathic personality characterized by lack of conscience, a desire for excitement to relieve feelings of inner emptiness or boredom and a disregard for the rights and feelings of others.
I've often wondered whether Mohammed was a narcissist, as Ali Sina contends, or a psychopath. These youths would seem to be following in his psychopathic footsteps (PBUH, or psychopathy be upon him).

"jihad cool" - Blow your sad self up with a bunch of kufars and a suicide vest - then you go to a singles bar and try to pick up women.

Oh, I forgot. There's that 72 virgins awaiting in Paradise thing. They could just be raisins, though. Jihadists, do you really want to roll those dice?

Dudes, make love - not jihad!

The idea the Arab youth are motivated at first by boredom may be true. The salient fact is that the ideology they become attracted to is violent Islamism.

Why is it that they find every excuse for jihad except the Qur'an?

Former CIA officer and now author Marc Sageman says that the latest jihadis taking up the global call for action more closely resemble criminal gang members than religious fanatics.

He has a good point that should be dismissed lightly

Jihadi rap and bored youth,

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/03/hooded-gunmen-attack-paris-police.html

"It's about youth culture ... about being cool - jihadi cool."

Uh, ha. Did any one of those geniuses wonder why such acts are carried out by Muslims only?

I can't get over the irony of the clueless Dr.'s surname: Sage Man! LOL. How competely false.

"PBUH, or psychopathy be upon him)."
Posted by: jewdog at March 10, 2008 7:17 AM

Gotta love that! Now that is true.

Anyone watch NBC news this morning with Matt Lauer covering the Harvard gym story? He referred to the "hysteria" in the U.S. concerning anything involving Muslims. "Hysteria!" Common Sense is more like it, Matt.

Anyway, he had some large Muslim named Hussein Ibish on for the Muslim side, and Michael Smerconish for the non-Muslim.

Anyone catch that?

"They are looking for glory ... thrills, and a sense of belonging to a group," he said in a recent presentation.

The same can be said for neighborhood youth gangs in the US. That doesn't make their actions any less reprehensible. It doesn't obviate the threat in any way, shape or form. I couldn't care less what their motives are. For the West, it's come down to kill or be killed.

Would Sageman be as forgiving if a member of his own family were killed by these "bored" youth? Would he accept that his son or daughter died because these young boys needed to belong to a group? Why don't all the apologists for Islam go and live among those they understand so well?

OT, Thanks special_guest for the McKinley quote and the link to the Philippines.

To take the "glory out of terrorism" one would have to alter the koran.

Reading things like this highlights the importance of Major Coughlin's role at the Pentagon and the problem with his departure.

Midnight basketball for the jihadists!

What is the Arabic word for "boredom"?

I'll start looking for "Death because we're bored" signs carried by Rage Boy.

From article: "They are looking for glory ... thrills, and a sense of belonging to a group,"

They will have to stop calling it jihad.
Islam is losing control, if this is correct. It is a good sign. It means they are not doing it for Allah.
Allah is losing the battle of keeping muslims enslaved. To slide from Quran studious jihad, to ignore Allah criminality, means that the 'I love death' mentality is weakening. Personal glory, thrills, belonging, are not what Allah had in mind, and in fact makes the muslim an addict to something other than Allah and Islam. This 'something other' is themselves, their ego, competing with Allahs word. This makes them shirkers and apostates.
Somehow, I don't think many of these 'glory seeking' muslims have abandoned Allah.
Allah does not comment on boredom that I know of, there is no verse that says, 'Thou shall not be bored'. 'And if you get bored you can temporarily cure it by killing a few non believers, and lots of property damage'. Of course boredom relieved is replaced by more boredom which requires more killing. Kind of circular, and a self fulfilling prophesy. Islam seems to have a lot of those.

So according to this idiot, they're just doing it for the lulz? If that was the criteria to judge terrorists, then Anonymous (the group that's currently protesting the Church of Scientology, the second most dangerous religion behind Islam) would be considered a terrorist group since they do stuff for the lulz. No, terrorists are more fanatic than that.

"Terrorist Networks in the Twenty First Century, said they were typically young men looking for action, and wanting to copy their heroes, who include Osama bin Laden."

Well, I would think that a gigantic midnight basketball program for the Muslim world should solve everything.

"They are looking for glory ... thrills, and a sense of belonging to a group," he said in a recent presentation."

This is something new: people who are willing to blow themselves up for thrills and a sense of belonging.

Is Mr. Sageman real?

This sounds like the kind of script Hollywood might be looking for: "Jihadists without a cause, with a cast of thousands of Islamic James Deans"

I'm Bored" (Apologies to Iggy)

Bored Jihadis

I'm bored
I'm the chairman of the bored
I'm a lengthy monologue
I'm livin' like a dog

I'm bored

I bore myself to sleep at night
I bore myself in broad daylight

I'm bored
Just another slimy bore

I'm free to kill my dhimmi friends
And spend my cash until the bullets end
coz I'm bored

I'm bored - I'm the chairman of the bored

I'm sick
I'm sick of all my kicks
I'm sick of not enough stiffs
I'm sick of all the dips

I'm bored - Just another dirty bore

All right troll-face
Come on and bore me

I'm sick
I'm sick of all my kicks
I'm sick of all the stiffs
I'm sick of all the dips

I'm sick
I'm bored
I'm bored

I'm the chairman of the. . . BORED!

Maybe the UN can pass a resolution condemning boredom?
[/sarcasm]

Allow these residents to follow their creed to its utmost, even among us.
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What could bring better peace among us than this, to allow them their culture, their creed, their faith? Would they not turn away from violence against us then -- having such a rich source of victims in their own women and children, and when they are all finally dead, themselves?
Marwan'sDaughter

Been there, done that. There are almost two dozen countries where they can practice their faith to the utmost. They already practice their faith among us, even to the point of dropping to the floor in prayer in an airport and washing their feet in a restroom. How much more "peace" do you want?
How do you accomplish what you suggest without first confining them to a geographical area where they will not have to deal with others' offensive beliefs? How else could you protect the infidels? Muslim men may victimize their own women and children but it hasn't stopped them from killing us at the same time. Practicing their creed to its utmost is on full display right now - with the Danish cartoons. You want to worry that what you say might lead one of them to "practice their faith" on you? Or are you prepared to go through life with your hair covered and tape over your mouth and your eyes lowered whenever one passes near you? Nothing less will do. THAT is "their culture, their creed, their faith".

I don't mind if muslims 'practice' their faith.
It's when they stop practicing, and do it for real, that I worry...

I hate to say it but there's something to this theory. When my parents would take us on long car trips my brothers and I would get bored and started fighting in the backseat. So there.

By the way, where can I get a job as an 'Islamic Expert' Its really just a variation on the old cowboy 'tall tale' whopper contest and the key is to start off all 'dead serious' and elaborate your hogwash with all kinds of made up facts and then give it all away at the end with an absurdity. The Virginian did it in the book of the same name with his frog leg ranch tale.

There will be a new Book out soon.

1000+1 reasons The West thinks Islam is Peaceful.

Reason # 666 from the new Book.

Islam: the Teflon of religions.

It can never be the fault of any of the intolerant dogmas of Islam bringing about the Clash of the 21st and 7th centuries.

No.

It must be Baudelairean Boredom of youth.

Or colonialistic Oil disorienting the locals.

Or Zionazi Israel, not rolling over and dying.

Or breathless Britney polluting the patriarchal purity of modest Mohammedan gals.

Anything but the actual verses, clearly written down in the Koran, which call for Terror Eternal against infidel dogs.

Islam: innocent terrorism at work.

Former CIA officer and now author Marc Sageman says that the latest jihadis taking up the global call for action more closely resemble criminal gang members than religious fanatics.

Duh, religious fanatics are criminal gangs. How many stories of these suicidal nuts in the streets did it take for the good doctor to realize these idiots are juvenile delinquents, systematically sexually frustrated losers, led by sexually frustrated adult delinquents?

"They are looking for glory ... thrills, and a sense of belonging to a group," he said in a recent presentation.
"There is a thrill and excitement attached to belonging to the vanguard of a violent social movement that is irresistible."

So. There's nothing new here, from either the delinquent or fanatic aspect, it's just another Hitler Youth movement. This "realization" doesn't change a thing.

Dr Sageman said the best thing to do to combat them was to take the glory out of terrorism.

Splattering them wherever you find them does a fair job of this, while at the same time eliminating the repeat offender problem.

He also advised to stop indulging terrorists' passion for glory by immortalizing them on wanted posters and putting bounties on their heads.

Ignore them and they'll go away? Oh yeah, that has worked every time.

Of course it never occurs to them that they might actually get a job and learn to support themselves.

Since this is post 41+. I think the pro's and con's have be mentioned. I liked RalphInfidel the best. After each BS (rose colored western eyes) statement. He pointed back to the basic human cause or the real motive.

I was going to say something about this theory being true under the surface but on top and maybe not so obvious to the youth at first are the Islamic directives.

I think hormones and sex (or the lack there of) have just as legitimate a motivator. As Wafa Sultan called them "Darked eyed beauties." Meaning the 72 virgins. Also internet porn is a big deal in the middle east. Bigger than non-Muslim areas. I don't have a link but this has been mentioned here before.

As far as reading the Koran. I have heard that reading is not what is taught. Phonetic memorization of the text is what is done. This is how they teach the non-Arab speaking Muslims and I would not be surprised the Arab speakers learn the same way. I have even heard that the imam teachers can not read either.

But getting back to the thread. The west is PC about anything religious means it is taboo. I liked the "Islam: the Teflon of religions" quot but I think that PC takes it to all religions, except Christianity. Isn't that hypocritical when you think about it. But I may just be a little sensitive on the subject LOL.

Or I am bored. 8^)

Sageman indeed has an uncommon way of appreciating the phenomenon of terrorisms in its various permutations throughout the decades.

I agree with his "terrorism as fade" analysis for some cases, but I'm not too confident that all will be right with the world once we take the "cool" out of terror.

Ultimately you have to take the religion out of the act if you really want to see results. The cool factor may affect some disaffected youths occasionally, but the sustainability of Islamic-inspired terrorism is heavily rooted in theological misinterpretations.

Sageman is getting pretty dangerous himself--a person could unwittingly end up laughing himself into a coma or death through a careless listen to his mind-numbingly absurd proclamations! (Or has Sageman initiated an Islamic 'laugh jihad' attack against Americans and the world??).