PA urges "Palestinian" "refugees" to "return" to Israel

"refugees wishing to return to their homes and LIVE AT PEACE WITH THEIR neighbors..."

Oops, thought they had something there.

I assume that this means that all Moslem nations will promptly pay compensation for all Jewish property taken when the owners were forced to leave. Not holding my breath waiting for the offer.

Well the refugees from 1948 should yield a handful of senior citizens returning to Israel. But, I guess if a half dozen unintended Palestinian casualties due to Israel trying to defend itself can be called a holocaust then all the Palestinians on earth will be deemed to be refugees.

but, but but... why is it that the Israelis, or even us, are supposed to be able to live with them - meet their endless demands but they cannot abide with us living in their lands??!!!!???

I am getting sick of this double standard with no consequences to their despicable behavior. If they move into Israel - their breeding will outpace ANYONE not a muslim in a few years and especially the Israelis in their own homeland.

What they are now trying to do is do what they are doing in Europe, Canada, Australia and in our land - immigrate, overpopulate, infiltrate and then just take over (after even more violence).

Meanwhile;

In that just and noble Country of Saudi Arabia

They're taking the word IRONY into a place of its own.......

To all AMERICANS out there.....

This is what we BRITS mean when we use the term IRONIC.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/17/wcamel117.xml

I demand the return of 25 acres of land that the bolsheviks confiscated from my grand-granfather after the turnover of 1917. Hey, Putin or what's his name!

"their breeding will outpace ANYONE not a muslim in a few years and especially the Israelis in their own homeland."
-from posting

As good an argument as any for the ending of all state welfare payments. If they are going to have a dozen children, let them pay for each and every one. That's a lot of work. The more work they do, the less time they have to plan to kill others.

McCain's visit to Israel.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2008/03/mccain-hamas-hezbullah-want-to-destroy.html

"Entitled 'The Initiative of Return and Coexistence,' the plan suggests that the PA has abandoned a two-state solution in favor of one state where all Arabs and Jews would live together.

'The Palestinians, backed by all those who believe in peace, coexistence, human rights and the UN resolutions, shall recruit all their energies and efforts to return to their homeland and live with the Jews in peace and security,' the plan says."
-- from the article above

Yes, this is what Edward Said, and others came around to supporting, because they knew two things:

1) The Arabs, or the subset of the local Arabs carefully described as "Palestinians," are and always will be led by corrupt warlords and lords of misrule. They cannot govern Gaza, they cannot govern, in any decent or sensible way, over Arabs living in parts of the "West Bank" that were foolishly handed over to the "Palestinian Authority." Right now, in fact, Arabs (or "Palestinians") in parts of Jerusalem are in a panic because of rumors that the areas they live in will be handed over to "Palestinian"
rule.

Therefore, why not have the Israelis, the Jews, take care of all the stuff that counts -- medical care at the highest level (where else will the "Palestinians" get such a deal?), smooth-functioning schools and universities, municipal services of every kind that are completely unknown in Gaza and the parts of the "West Bank" under Arab rule.

2) And, at the same time, the demographic conquest -- no doubt aided by the ministrations of Jewish doctors in hospitals run at Western level and staffed by Jews, not Muslims -- will continue, and eventually, that "two-peoples-one-state" will comfortably fall into Arab hands, without any problems about nation-building, for all of the infrastructure will have been built, and run, by and for the Arabs -- hell, they might even keep the Jews on, as tame functionaries to keep everything running smoothly.

What a perfect solution. If, that is, you are a Muslim and an Arab. For others, including the Jews who took the "ruin" and "desolation" described by every nineteenth-century Western traveller to the area known as "Palestine" and drained the Huleh marshes, and made the desert -- yes, they really did, see the pictures in "The Promise of Palestine" by the celebrated American agronomist Walter Clay Lowdermilk -- bloom, that future the Arabs promise is not quite so promising.

"The right of return" is the biggest crock of crap ever foisted on humanity. It's about as valid as my "right" to demanding a billion dollars from the government.

The palestinians lost a war in 1948. They need to get over it, same as the losers of any other war.
If any idiots heed this call Israel should just shove them right into Gaza with the rest of the losers.

Can I return to Scotland and claim the land that my ancestors were forced off during the "clearances"?

Didn't think so.

That is ironic is that during the formation of Israel, the Arabs in Israel were urged by the other Arab states to leave Israel to allow it's conquest by the armies of Syria, Egypt and Jordan.

I'll say it again - along with the "Right of Return" to the Ottoman Empire that Robert cites, what about the "Right of Return" of the Jews to the areas around Medina (formerly Yathrib) from which they were expelled and exterminated by none other than Mohammed himself? I'm sure in the spirit of justice and human rights the Saudis would embrace this right.

I am sure there will be a great many whole will decline, they have it too good in the west.

Posted by: Nobodieshero

This is what we BRITS mean when we use the term IRONIC.......

I blogged about this a year ago, and some thought I was joking

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2008/03/and-you-thought-i-was-joking.html

Palestinian refugees are defined differently by the UN from refugees from EVERY other country.

A Palestinian refugee is an individual who fled his home in what is now Israel and ALL his descendants. This means the number keeps INCREASING. They are under the "care" of UNRWA.

All other refugees are people who fled their their homes and NONE of their descendants. This means the number keeps DECREASING. They are under the care of the UNHCR.

So if they all show up, as it's a few hundred thousand "refugees", it could make quite a scene.

As I’ve said before,

“The Right of Return for the Byzantine People is a Non-Negotiable Position”

and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."
hmm if the pals get this all the scots cleared off Scottish land by the English in the 17th century should be allowed to return to there clans lands or rather their descendant's only one problem there are so many that scotland mightsink the same with the plo ;s so called refuges the plo is nuts

The palestinians lost a war in 1948. They need to get over it, same as the losers of any other war.
If any idiots heed this call Israel should just shove them right into Gaza with the rest of the losers.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

Why not shove them into the sea since that's what they state in their "charter" for the Israelis?

Let SOWdi give them exile, heck!

The palestinians lost a war in 1948. They need to get over it, same as the losers of any other war.
ISLAMSFORLOSERS

I am not at all for the right of return, plain and simple, no question about it. At the same time, I am not for such lack of knowledge and compassion to go without any thought.

The "palestinians who lost the war" were not all at war, nor did they want the war. You seem to be so lacking of compassion. Surely you know and understand how many Christian Palestinians suffered at the hands of the Israelis, as well as the miserable muslims who really did hate and want war against the Jews.

Americans were the loosers of the Vietnam war. . .did you see them just "get over it"? Do you see the veterns who have lost their minds as a result of war, who have lost their place in society, their dignity, their hope? Is this your advice to them after suffering such traumas? Get over it?

Yes, the war a/g Israel was 60 years ago, but I personally know Palestinians who were living there at that time, and still are. I personally know people who were soldiers during Vietnam almost 40 years ago. The suffering continues, like it or not.

Do you really think ALL the Palestinians are like minded? Have you not heard of the site Arabs for Jews?
Come on. . .

You either have never suffered in your life, or else you have grown hard to it.

PS I know I'm going to get it for this, so go at it and have fun.

This deserves a separate thread; truly remarkable!

"According to the poll, of 1,270 Palestinians in face-to-face interviews, 84 percent supported the March 6 attack on the Mercaz Harav yeshiva, one of Israel’s most prominent centers of religious Zionism and ideological wellspring of the settler movement in the West Bank."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/world/middleeast/19mideast.html

This is an odd position for me, but lightintheshadows, I have to disagree with you on this. I appreciate your endeavors and think they are geniune--but read the poll. 84% of Palestinians support the Mercaz Harav Massacre, a slaughter of innocent students who were simply studying Torah. That attack was sheer barbarism.

So was Baruch Goldstein's massacre at Hevron--there are Nazis on both sides--but that earned shock and revulsion within the general Israeli public. But the Kach Party, with which Goldstein was affiliated, would soon be banned from politics after the attack, in part because it refused to denounce the slaughter!

I want to see the same thing happen here. Hamas should go. Unfortunately, that is a greatly complicated endeavor because of the widespread support Hamas has now. In every society, there are at least 10-15% of the population that does not pay attention to politics at all. Those were the only 10-15% that did NOT support the slaughter of Talmudic scholars. 84% support!

I am glad that you feel empathy for Palestinians. So do I. Unfortunately, it appears that whichever Palestinians did not want the war initially, now do support the war. I also do not think the key issue is national pride. The well-being of the Gazan people, who are truly suffering, has for too long been enchained to the greedy national ambitions of suited exiles in Damascus and plush Fatah leaders in Ramallah.

The focus must instead be on human life. This means Hamas should stop bombarding Sderot, and applauding vicious attacks on civilians. This means Israel should provide for the people of Gaza--not because it is politically expedient, and not because it will stop the rockets, but because Gazans are people, and because without a mutual recognition of our shared humanity the violence will never end.

Ultimately, I believe Israel should seize the initiative, because it is the stronger power and because it can. At the same time, Palestinian hatred is a tremendous complication. Tension is high. I can see an explosion of violence on the horizon.

Shiva are you a Yank or a Brit?

And if a Brit, why is it that British bloggers never bother to network or cross pollinate with each other, and prefer to go it alone?. Together we could be a right royal pain in the backside for our government. The last thing they want is for a lot of people to be singing from the same hymn sheet, on this, and other topics.

'lightinshadows' - if you are in fact a Christian working among the "Palestinian' Arabs, I suggest to you that you remember Our Lord's counsel about being as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove.

And do not automatically swallow every elaborate, detailed, oh-so-convincing story of oppression that a tearful, voluble, plausible Arab - especially one who is a Muslim, or even a Christian who is compelled to live under the Muslim gun, whose children and family live under the Muslim gun - tells you. (I assume you speak fluent colloquial Arabic? ) Surely you have been reading at jihadwatch/ dhimmiwatch long enough now, to have learned about taqiyya, and about 'war is deceit', and that for Muslims, at least, 'good' = whatever helps Islam [and Muslims] dominate, and 'bad' = whatever impedes the dominion of Islam, and that therefore, 'good speech' can in fact be a farrago of total falsehoods - if, in a given case, falsehoods will serve the speaker's aims better than a fact.

I have been recommending this thing left right and centre since I read it, so I will recommend it to you: Martha Gellhorn's article on 'The Arabs of Palestine', written in 1961 (google it, the whole thing is online).

I particularly commend to your meditations the fact that many Arab 'Palestinian' Christians were far from hate-free. Gellhorn found the key to the Arab hatred of Israel in the words of a 'Christian' Arab schoolteacher who was living in perfect peace and security within Israel (i.e. he was not and never had been a 'refugee').

That Christian agreed in every detail with the - patently, purely false and implacably anti-Semitic - Arab Muslim propaganda. When Martha asked him whether, had things been the other way around, had the Jews not the Arabs started the 48-49 war and been the ones to flee en masse, the Arabs would have accepted their right to return & agreed to a partition, this 'CHRISTIAN' told Gellhorn, flatly, without the smallest evidence of being aware that he was saying anything morally wrong, that THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO JEWISH REFUGEES, 'they had nowhere to go; THEY WOULD ALL BE DEAD OR IN THE SEA.' End of story.

In other words, this nice, well-educated, Christian Arab schoolteacher, had no problems at all with the Arab Muslim intent, as loudly declared by many in 1947-48, of TOTALLY EXTERMINATING all the Jews in 'Palestine'.

The same schoolteacher had Muslim 'friends', one of made it plain to Gellhorn that, had the war ended differently, Jews would never have been accepted by Arabs except as subordinates (i.e., though Gellhorn does not use the word, as DHIMMIS - and to know what THAT means, in the Name of God, before you go back in there again, READ BAT YEOR, 'The Dhimmi' and S Goitein, 'A Mediterranean Society' ).

Gellhorn was told quite plainly, also, that the Arab MUSLIMS - and these were people in a community living quite prosperously in an Arab village within Israel, in 1960 - spoke openly of disposing of 'first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people', and viewed the women and property of both Jews and Christians as potential booty, theirs for the taking sooner or later. Not nice. Not nice at all. The Italian missionary priest who told her this, also told her that his Arab 'Christian' flock were rooting for Eichmann all during his trial - THAT IS, THEY THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS NOTHING MORALLY WRONG, AT ALL, ABOUT EICHMANN'S AND THE NAZIS' ATTEMPT TO EXTERMINATE ALL THE JEWS OF EUROPE.

Finally: to understand the general fix of the 'Palestinian' Arabised Christians, you have GOT to read, if you have not done so already, Bat Yeor, 'The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam'. Dhimmis, if they ever complained to outsiders about the abuse they regularly received from their Muslim overlords and Mafia-don-style 'protectors', were subject to violent and arbitrary collective punishment.

Like abused spouses, or abused kids, with no possibility of help or of rescue and escape, they rapidly internalised a state of denial, and learned to slavishly flatter and serve their abusers.

Muslim rulers were adept at splitting the camp, at fomenting and/ or exploiting discord between different groups of dhimmis who might otherwise have formed alliance and rebelled against their tormentors - so, Jewish dhimmis were encouraged to fear and hate Christian dhimmis, and Christian dhimmis - some already poisoned by antisemitism - were subtly encouraged to displace onto Jewish neighbours the hate and anger they should more correctly have directed toward their Muslim oppressors.

The chances that you will be told the truth, even by the average Christian, about Muslim-Christian relations in some village in Arab-occupied Muslim-dominated Judea and Samaria, let alone in the jihadi armed camp and fortress that is Gaza, are approximately zero. It's about the same as your chances of hearing the truth about Mafia violence and extortion, had you naively inquired about the same, from a small farmer, artisan or shopkeeper in a little village in southern Italy, during the highwater period of Mafioso power.