Qaradawi: Wafa Sultan "had the audacity to publicly curse Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation"

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"She said unbearable, ghastly things that made my hair stand on end" -- so now I have to wear this hat

Poor, fragile Qaradawi: "She said unbearable, ghastly things that made my hair stand on end." He is referring, of course, to Wafa Sultan's most recent appearance on Al-Jazeera, and he frames his frenzied denunciation here in terms that his jihadist minions will understand as meaning that she must be killed.

The American government should be rushing to protect her. Is that happening?

"Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi Accuses Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan of 'Cursing Allah' on Al-Jazeera TV," from MEMRI (thanks to all who sent this in):

In a program on Al-Jazeera TV, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi accused Arab-American psychiatrist Wafa Sultan of "publicly curs[ing] Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation."

The following are excerpts from the program, which aired on March 16, 2008:

To view this clip on MEMRI TV, visit: http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1718.htm .

To view the MEMRI TV page for Sheikh Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi, visit: http://www.memritv.org/subject/en/589.htm.

To view the MEMRI TV page for Wafa Sultan, visit: http://www.memritv.org/subject/en/371.htm .

"She Said Unbearable, Ghastly Things That Made My Hair Stand On End"

Sheikh Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: "Many brothers here and abroad – more from abroad than from here – have called to ask me about the 'Opposite Direction' [show on Al-Jazeera TV], and that woman [Wafa Sultan], who leveled accusations against Islam and the Muslims, and cursed Allah, His Prophet, the Islamic nation, the shari'a, and the Islamic faith and culture. She did not omit anything. She was insolent and stopped at nothing.

"I know that our colleague Dr. Faysal Al-Qassem apologized on the following show. I did not watch the [original] show, but I was given a recording. She said unbearable, ghastly things that made my hair stand on end. She had the audacity to publicly curse Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation. She did not spare anything.

"It was all based on ignorance. If only she had some knowledge... But she doesn't have any knowledge. She doesn't know the Koran or the Sunna. When she cited a hadith to back up her statements, she used a hadith that scholars consider unreliable."

Ain't it always the way? I'll let you in on a little secret: any and every critic of Islamic jihad and Islamic supremacism is "ignorant." Any Hadith that someone like Wafa Sultan (or someone like me) quotes is ipso facto unreliable, just as any Qur'an quotation she might adduce would be ripped out of context.

In reality, a brief scan through the portion of the transcript that Marisol posted here on March 7 shows that Wafa referred to Qur'an 9:111 (which guarantees Paradise to those who "kill and are killed" for Allah) and Qur'an 5:33 (which directs Muslims to cut off the hands and feet on opposite sides of those who are enemies of Allah and Muhammad). Qaradawi doesn't mention this probably because he cannot dispute what she said about those verses.

"If She Had Read The Koran, She Would Have Known That It Forbids Killing People... She Should Read The Torah And Tell Us What It Says"

"The Prophet said: 'Allah has given me sustenance under the shadow of my sword.' This hadith is unreliable. The Prophet did not get sustenance by the sword. If she had read the Koran, she would have known that it forbids killing people: 'Anyone who kills another person for any reason other than manslaughter or spreading corruption in the land – it is as if he has killed all of mankind.' [...]

"Other than manslaughter or spreading corruption in the land [fasaad]." That's a big exception right there, particularly given the Islamic understanding of what constitutes fasaad. Qaradawi is quoting Qur'an 5:32, which, incidentally, immediately precedes the verse about amputation that Wafa quoted, 5:33.

And as for the unreliability of the Hadith about the shadow of Muhammad's sword, Qaradawi doesn't bother to tell us that the hadith in which Muhammad says "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords" appears in Bukhari, the hadith collection that Muslims consider most reliable, and in which only a very few ahadith are considered unreliable by any Islamic scholars. Not only does it appear, but it appears in three different places in Bukhari and in two places in Sahih Muslim, the hadith collection considered second most reliable. This repetition is further attestation of its authenticity from a Muslim standpoint, since the multiple renderings are considered to have come from different narrators, indicating that many people heard Muhammad say this.

"In all the raids conducted by the Prophet Muhammad, he was the one attacked. If she knew anything about the Koran and the Sunna...

Actually, no. In my book The Truth About Muhammad, I show how the earliest Islamic sources about Muhammad have him participating in numerous battles, and almost all of them are offensive. I challenge Qaradawi or anyone else to show that I have misused this material.

"She should read the Torah and tell us what it says. With regard to distant cities, the Torah says: 'Slay all their males by the sword.' It does not exclude elderly men or children. As for the nearby cities of Palestine, which they call the Promised Land, the Torah says: 'When you enter them, annihilate everyone, and do not leave a breathing soul.' The concept of annihilation originated in the Torah. What does that woman have to say about this? This is the Torah in which Bush and the Christian Right believe.

Question for Qaradawi: where are the Jewish or Christian exegetes who take this passage, or have ever taken this passage, as being a command that believers should obey in other times and places? Where are the Jewish or Christian groups committing violence and justifying it by reference to this passage?

"This Woman Had The Audacity To Affront All That Is Sacred"

"What does that woman have to say about this? She defends the West and sanctions the killing of Muslims in Gaza and elsewhere, claiming that they deserve to be killed.

Here, he is simply lying. She didn't say anything like that, of course, but Qaradawi knows what will happen if Muslims believe that she did.

"I do not want to discuss this at length, but in my view, this woman had the audacity to affront all that is sacred – the entire Islamic nation, its past, its present, and its future. She had the audacity to affront the Prophet, the Koran, and Allah. She even said that Allah prattles in the Koran. She did not omit anything sacred....
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This man just makes me laugh. He's a ridiculous figure.

How frangible and brittle is Islam. It cannot stand any weight. Take a Hershey bar and "insult" it by breaking it in half. That's Islam. And why it can't stand "insult."

"She said unbearable, ghastly things that made my hair stand on end" -- so now I have to wear this hat"

LOL! Wait, can't we see the beard on end?!

Ignoring the authenticity of the hadiths is not sacriligious because the misrepresentation is a central aspect of the "religion" itself. To protect the mindset of Islam is all that counts, even if that mindset undermines the basis of prosperity: political liberty and individual freedom.

The lying about the content of the interview is a bit remarkable... but his main audience is not concerned with what is true -- or to be more precise, imagines that the capital "T" Truth is best protected by ignoring the little truths such as decency.

Perhaps the most disturbing of all of his comments:

"Many brothers here and abroad – more from abroad than from here...."

Wafa Sultan is such a hero.

Anyone hear about her proposed book, "When God is a Monster?" Publication date?

Why is it when I see or hear any Islamic figure, the word liar comes to mind? Bold faced liars as a matter of fact.

One of the things that drive them CRAZY is that she speaks a very pure rhetorical Arabic as I've been told by someone who knows. You can hear the cadences, the rise and fall, the 'build ups' and 'whammies' of a great speaker even if you don't know the language. Strictly a MAN'S prerogative to speak in that manner and it must be VERY threatening to them.

This is one of the best comedy shows I have ever seen. Man oh Man...I just cannot stop laughing. This is the best!

This is one of the best comedy shows I have ever seen. Man oh Man...I just cannot stop laughing. This is the best!

Posted by: savsiv at March 21, 2008 2:25 PM


Truly, this man should be caricatured on SNL - oh boy would that be beyond hilarious.

"...or spreading corruption in the land..."

Like naming a teddy bear Mohammed, being with a male not in your family, wearing the wrong clothes, being a Jew, being a Christian, drawing cartoons...

If I only had the money and the resources, I would affront Islam and its "Prophet" in such a way as would make Qaradawi's head spin (think massive billboards, just for starters). I shouldn't be hard on the old sod; a paper I wrote at school this past term on the legality of jihad (the lesser jihad, obviously!) contained several quotes and references from Qaradawi. I got 90% so I guess thanks are in order! Thanks for being an Islamic supremacist d***.

When it comes down to it, it does not matter what the Koran says. Mohammad killed and Muslims today kill for him. You don't need anymore conection than that. This guy is calling for muslims in the US to kill her. He is proving her point about the barbarity of the belief system.

Not to say Roberts work is not needed. Robert conects the dots and that is important. Even none religous people in the west abide by many of Jesuses teachings. 'turn the other check', 'golden rule' for example. It's clear muslims drink from a differnt well. Thay treat others with contempt and lie at the drop of a hat.

Qaradawi: Wafa Sultan "had the audacity to publicly curse Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation"

This is the reaction you get from twits like him when you spread the truth about Islam. Islamotards like him hate it when you spread truth about Islam.

"This Woman Had The Audacity To Affront All That Is Sacred" --Qaradawi

In other words, she has the courage to question Islam and all its trappings. Bravo to Wafa Sultan!

What they say about us infidels on a daily basis makes all the hairs on my body stand on end. But, I guess that is ok because some moon god says it was ok.

Clenched fists; contorted countenance; gutteral sounds punctuated with discernable grunts, groans and occasional ear piercing howls; bobbing and rocking to and fro; general orneriness.

Obviously a nasty case of constipation.

May I suggest prune juice?

The only jihadists movement you really need.

"She Said Unbearable, Ghastly Things That Made My Hair Stand On End"

Indeed, the honest truth about Islam is unbearable and ghastly to all men of good will. The utter vileness and depthless perversion of that primitive, barbaric "religion" regularly makes my hair stand on end. In truth, Mohammed was a pirate, and the Koran is a manual for divinely sanctioned pirating. Kill, rape, and plunder for the glory of Allah. Such holiness.

Bravo, Wafa Sultan--the audacity of audacity.

Come to think of it now, those would be logical call letters for Al-Jazeera broadcasting:

WKRP: Kill, Rape, and Plunder TV.

witness - good one!

The only jihadists movement you really need.
Posted by: witness

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I have an islamic movement I'd like to see: EXODUS.

She Said Unbearable, Ghastly Things That Made My Hair Stand On End

I have the same reaction to reading the unbearable, ghastly hadiths.

I wonder if this guys is wearing a diaper. He looks so tense...Goodness Grace...we wouldn't want the unbelievable to happen.

C'mon, lets be honest. The only hair he has is on his chin.

I love insolent, uppity, outspoken Arab women. Quelle audace!

I could tell from the stuttering, stammering, and clinched fists that he was enraged to near apoplexy. If Wafa Sultan can cause that much agitation, think of what a few selected JW/DW comments could cause. Cardiac arrest? We can hope.

I did notice he lied at 2:19 and then cherry-picked parts of Quran 5:32. A true, blue Mohammedan.

At the end, he blames al Jazeera, maybe there will be one of those famous fatwas that will put an end to this channel.

Wafa Sultan is the most courageous person on this planet. She confronts these bunch of banana benders exactly the way anyone should. Its a real shame our regular Mo-madians do not have an ounce of courage to stand-up to these kind of lying slime-ball Imams.

LET FREEDOM RING! Wafa Sultan is a true champion of religious freedom--the freedom to dissent as well as to assent. LIVE AND PROSPER WAFA SULTAN, YOUR VOICE IS AND WILL BE HEARD DOWN THE AGES.

Cali, Cali, Caliphate
from Hussein to Arafat
From Somalia to France
pious madmen frenzied dance

Swords, AKs and RPGs
Building blocks of all Shahids
Can’t get better when demise
Means group sex in paradise

My full respect to the courageous Wafa Sultan. I think that this might be have been the last time she was invited onto Al-Jazeera TV. If I am wrong about that then my hat off to whoever at Al-Jazeera TV makes that decision.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I heard that some guys down at Gitmo flushed a koran down the dumper.

I guess some would consider this, too, an insult of some kind to islam. But, hey! What do I know?

Not about Qaradawi alone, but about the menace of demographic conquest is the following, just posted at www.newenglishreview.org by Rebecca Bynum:

"Don Morris writes at Doc's Talk (thanks to Janet Levy):

...As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2. 7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"...

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat"

What would make for an interesting sociological study is whether clergy like this one actual believe the clearly demonstrable falsehoods that they are speaking or whether they are just outright liars.

I suspect the former and that this Islamic clergyman actual believes what he is saying. This is more frightening that him being an outright liar since he will then go ahead with a righteous violence and act upon his self deception.

This is why I have a deep fear of Islam. I actually think that the unquestioning truth of the Koran creates and unquestioning mind within Muslims. Rationality is not honored or practices therefore they become irrational true believers who can then do anything from torture to murder in the name of their god.

I recall once challenging a muslim student regarding Islamic irrationalities and was told, "You think too much."

Indeed, people who think too much conclude that Islam is a lie and Mohammad was little more than a thief, murderer, pervert and a deceptive cult that turned into a global cult. Islam is a toxic religion and this clergyman is yet another example of the disturbed thinking that Islam produces in those who truly embrace it.

It is time that we in the West waged a Crusade not of violence but of truth against Islam. We need to been multitudes of documentaries, studies, and information into Muslim lands so thinking Muslims can understand that they have been deceived by Mohammad and his minions.

>>Wafa Sultan is the most courageous person on this planet.--posted above.

Uh, hello, also Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, Theo Van Gogh, Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel, Ibn Misr and mnay others. ALL!

>>and mnay others. ALL!

and many others, All!

You know, maybe there is something fateful about the invasion of the west by muslims.

First muslims come to the west to islamify Europe, America, Australia etc.

But then a resistance forms, and we push muslims out of the west. Then we keep going and we push muslims out of Islamic countries, until all countries are free from the yoke of Islamic bondage.

We have to remember that muslims are victims of Islam too, even thought they may not know it. Our liberty is their liberty.

That's an awesome list Hugh, thanks...

Very interesting observation Hugh. Seems an extremely accurate one too.

But then a resistance forms, and we push muslims out of the west. Then we keep going and we push muslims out of Islamic countries, until all countries are free from the yoke of Islamic bondage.

posted by Voltaire

*** My other half and I say "send them all to Allah and let him sort them out"

We have to remember that muslims are victims of Islam too, even thought they may not know it. Our liberty is their liberty.

posted by Voltaire

*** Only problem with this is that most of those "victims" won't hesitate to kill you/me

"If Wafa Sultan can cause that much agitation, think of what a few selected JW/DW comments could cause."

I think the fact that Wafa Sultan is a female Arab with a Muslim background is probably cause to make him more angry than anything a native Western kufr could say.

Oh, yes. What Sultan said was much worse than suicide bombing, hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, torture chambers, molesting and raping children, beating wives and killing girls for "honor", stoning raped women to death, hanging gays, beheading defenseless, conscious humans, burning down churches filled with people, etc, etc, etc...

/sarc

>>Oh, yes. What Sultan said was much worse than suicide bombing, hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, torture chambers, molesting and raping children, beating wives and killing girls for "honor", stoning raped women to death, hanging gays, beheading defenseless, conscious humans, burning down churches filled with people, etc, etc, etc...

/sarc

Posted by: DJM at March 21, 2008 7:09 PM

Hey - aren't you forgetting about waterboarding? /sarc

"beheading defenseless, conscious humans" --posted above.

My God that is unimaginable. Poor Daniel Pearl and Alan Berg. My God, the Horror. Those poor men beheaded by the early 21st century Barbarians, while conscious and alive. The Beheaders - roasting in Hell along with Mo and "allah."

Qaradawi blamed Al Jazeera for this outrage against the koran and islam and so do I......" death to Al Jazeera....death to Al Jazeera.."

Actually Qaradawi looked a lot like Jonathan Winters in " The Russians are Coming ", when he was admonishing the townsfolk that.."We got to get organized..we got to get organized."

I had to take a screwdriver and a pair of pliers to this computer to make it play that clip.
This guy is funny, I wish he was speaking English. I wonder if I can learn Arabic by listening to speeches with English subtitles?

So, 'she' said all that...Well 'she' certainly pushed his buttons. I can see where Wafa pushes buttons, buttons that need to be pushed, poked even.
His reaction was one of 'poked'. A woman no less, oh the shame of it all...

Qaradawi: Wafa Sultan "had the audacity to publicly curse Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation"

...and now look, you maiden of Satan, you have glued my hands closed. Oh, may Allah curse you and your Super Glue!

>>Qaradawi: Wafa Sultan "had the audacity to publicly curse Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation"

Go Wafa! Brava Wafa!

Guys, I don't know why, but this Qardawi rant reminds me of Beavis in psychotic state, pulling his t-shirt on his head and going:

"I am the Great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! M-heh heh, yeah, Titicaca!
"I am Cornholio! I need TP for my bunghole!"
"I need TP for my bunghole...bunghole!"
"Are you threatening me?"
"You will give me TP, bungholio!"
"Are you threatening me? My bunghole will not wait!"
"You do not want to face the wrath of my bunghole!"

pismopal,

Your Jonathan Winters comment had me bust out laughing!

I wonder how many million Islamos have heard Wafa Sultan on Al-Jazeera?

"In all the raids conducted by the Prophet Muhammad, he was the one attacked." ~Qaradawi

Classic Islamopretzel logic.

A two-fisted tantrum!

What we don't see are his feet stomping on the floor like a two year old!!

....but my minds eye has it covered.

Fomenter of War!

....all that's missing are the poisonous fangs.

"It was all based on ignorance. If only she had some knowledge... But she doesn't have any knowledge. She doesn't know the Koran or the Sunna. When she cited a hadith to back up her statements, she used a hadith that scholars consider unreliable."

Ok I work in a computer operations department, when we have outdated or "unreliable" policies or procedures because of some change in hardware or software we toss out of the policy book the old nevermore to be seen (except in the managers office) where no one cares about it.
Why do the moslems keep "unreliable" sources for all to read and get confused with.

"Qaradawi: Wafa Sultan "had the audacity to publicly curse Allah, His Prophet, the Koran, the history of Islam, and the Islamic nation"

Is that all she did? Sounds very restrained to me.

Wafa Sultan has my utmost respect and admiration. She just tells it straight and doesn't back down. I want to be like her when I grow up!

Allah prattles while Islam burns...

...illiterate, gold-digging, epileptic, cave-dwelling, lying, lecherous, marauding, caravan-raiding, holy day breaking, warmongering, broken toothed, covetous, wife-stealing, sex-obsessed, polygamist, cradle robbing, pedophile, misogynist, widow maker, sadistic torturer, slave-owning, thieving, dismembering, eye-gouging, immolating, mass-murdering, rapist, supremicist, whining, falsely pious, poisoned, conscious fraud narcissistic, false prophet...

ghastly, ghastly things.

Imagine this guy holding an AK in one hand and a knife in the other.

Imagine spending your entire life being led to believe in the "truth" as revealed to Mohammed.
Then, imagine how it might be to learn that that "truth" might in fact be a despicable lie.

"unbearable, ghastly things that made my hair stand on end"

Imagine coming to terms with the thought that generations of your ancestors have possibly been deceived by that lie.
No wonder so many Muslim apostates leave Islam with some pretty severe mental scars.

The quicker the ideology Islam is removed from the face of the earth the better for humanity.
Like in Star Trek: no Islam in the future, hopefully.

Typical Qaradawi; rattling like a machine gun! Under the influence again? - too much camel urine? Indomitable twit!

You know, he reminds me of comical Ali of Iraq during the American invasion in 2003.

By the way, what kind of doctorate is he holding this twit?

Wafa Sultan: I love this woman as I loved Oriana Fallaci (RIP). Also Hirsi Ali and Talisma Nasreen. These women have tremendous character and admirable audacity! And hearing Wafa speak her mind in Arabic is music to me, even though I don’t understand the language... She’s so passionate!

There should be more women like them on this earth, especially in the Islamic crowd.

Witness: don’t you suggest prune juice! Don’t you find the twit is afflicted with verbal diarrhea? That’s gastrointestinal distress the dictionary says... So let’s find another remedy.

Imagine this guy holding an AK in one hand and a knife in the other.
Posted by: No More Ham, Ed

I see a knife in one hand and Wafa Sultan's head in the other.

Dear All,

I can see that most of my friends are exceptionally gleeful on this website, on having found an other source to malign the latest Word of God in shape of Wafa Sultan. One cajole Islam or resist it, criticise it or even hate it vehemently; that may not be the matter of contention. What matter the most is that we should know; what Islam is?

Religion of Islam is not some thing new. Islam is the improved and reformed version of same old teachings which were imparted by our common religious father Abraham. Islam with its latest Holy Book Quran fundamentally confirms the Torah, the Moses and all the prophets of Jews; it clarifies the position of the Reformer of Israelite the ‘Jesus the Christ’ and confirms the true teachings of Bible of Jesus. Islam confirms and validates the old denominations and makes them stand on the true foundations. Islam where furnishes the glad tidings for the believers also admonishes them very fervently, lest they deviate from Allah’s teachings and be punished like the old defunct denominations who could earn nothing except the wrath of God. Having known these facts and fundamentals of Islam if some one negates Islam; he or she is not negating Islam but the entire mythology found in the fields of religion. He negates the Torah and Bible and all the other valid scriptures and the prophets as well as the divinity of God.

Wafa Sultan is an implant, an ill informed and misguided person. She is working on a bigger plan with an agenda on the behest of some organisation with vested interests. She needs to study more to be wise on the subject.
-----------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for None

Repeating what is a patent lie, such as this:
"[Islam] ...it clarifies the position of the Reformer of Israelite the ‘Jesus the Christ’ and confirms the true teachings of Bible of Jesus."
(A.Khokar) will only serve to expose once more the total falseness which is Islam.

There is no need to 'clarify' the teachings of Jesus, they are clear and simple enough for all.
But then, Mohammed and all his followers to this day have ears but do not hear, and have eyes but do not see, with such stellar exceptions as Wafa Sultan.

Al-Jazeera TV.

If the entire Arab world with its century old seats of learning and Arab cultural headquarters like Cairo, Baghdad, Tehran and Damascus are unable to come up with a worthwhile international TV station. How come a small tiny place with no back ground of cultural or intellect impact like Doha with few hundred thousand population that too under its physical occupation by United States has come up with an international Arab TV station called Al-Jazeera. Where a Main Central Head Quarters of American Central Command are located at its Mega base with a largest airbase in the world at Al Udeid outside Doha city(a place off Salwa High way connecting Saudi Arabia.)

Al-Jazeera: Is it a deep dagger drawn into Arab heart lands under a policy of ‘Run deep, Run silent’ with an Arabic inscriptions on it called- Al-Jazeera?

"Islam is the improved and reformed version of same old teachings which were imparted by our common religious father Abraham."

You're joking, right?
Oh, I forgot, there are no jokes in islam.

....it clarifies the position of the Reformer of Israelite the ‘Jesus the Christ’...

What is unclear about "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" It's perfectly clear, even to this atheist.

"Wafa Sultan is an implant, an ill informed and misguided person. She is working on a bigger plan with an agenda on the behest of some organisation with vested interests. She needs to study more to be wise on the subject."

All she has to do is read the Qur'an. Oh, I bet she has.......

"A learned fool is still a fool."

I would advise you to read the Qur'an, but you will claim that you have and I am "not rightly guided". So here's your assignment - study the history of the Empire of Islam. Read about the millions and millions of infidels who were butchered in Africa, India, Asia and Europe by the sword of Islam. Jihad is Islam evangelism. Islam is spread by killing all who oppose it. "Opposition" consists of observing another religion.

The Mohammedan's post above? All lies - the product of a brainwashed mind.

Wafa Sultan, on the other hand, tells the simple truths about Islam. And they are simple. To quote yet again Walid Shoebat - "What is it about kill the infidel you don't understand?" Simple.

Muslims Are Firmly Admonished

This special creation of God – the Human Being is unique in its character. Although it hates turmoil and is at ease in relishing the stability in its life but it is also found in worst state, touching its emotional extremes especially in the religious matters. This specie is also quick to go beyond its means in these fields and often turns to extremism.

The Israelites were declared the chosen people by God and were bestowed with countless larges and blessings but they literally took these favours of God granted which ultimately turned them into arrogant. They were even unable to recognise their reformer Jesus the Christ and very defiantly they put him on the cross to die a humiliating death.

Christians who later picked up the teachings of Jesus were able to earn the favour and blessings of God and it brought a wider prosperity in their lives but they also crossed the limits and even made a humble and a docile Jesus…into a god?

This extremism has always been a contentious subject faced by the human beings. The Israelites (Jews) as well as Christians fell victim to their contentious enigmas in their times. This may not be surprising that subject matter of today is also extremism; the ‘Extremism of Islamists’ which is being portrayed as mega media hype.

I agree with Wafa Sultan stance basing on her sketchy observations that certain Islamist groups are some how obsessed with their Mythology of supremacism in the fields of religion and may not dithering in resorting to even extremism in their conducts. But her lack of study of Islamic teachings has probably failed her to fully grasp and realise that this religion business has since reached at a strange turn; where God has very openly revealed to Muslims that the old denominations i.e. Jews and Christian, who had then adopted wrong routes; had exceeded the limits and had wronged their souls. Every nation has its time. So they are placed as defunct and declared as rejected, degraded lots.

In the present day the chosen people of God are the Muslims. They are firmly admonished and very strongly warned that they better pull up their socks and be vigilant lest their failures may fetch themselves even severer punishments. While the old denomination resisting and not accepting the Latest terms and conditions in the light of Holy Book of Quran; may be in waiting to receive the final verdict of God; the Muslim must strive hard to gain the nearness and blessings of their Creator…God Almighty in the light of the Holy Book of Quran, revealed to Muhammad (pbuh).

*The strong winds may be causing turbulence on the water surfaces; but it does not mean that there is no calmness and serenity found at the bottom of lakes.
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Islam is the improved and reformed version of same old teachings which were imparted by our common religious father Abraham.

AK,
If that's the case, I'll stick with the original version. The remakes never surpass, and rarely even match, the beauty of the original.

AK, Mohammedan - Your "religious father" is not Abraham. Islam didn't even appear until the early 7th century AD. AD!!!! Islam has nothing to do with Abraham! Abraham is at least a millenia -a millenia! - prior to Mohammed! Can you do simple math?

Wafa Sultan, like JW's, is an IslamoRealist. Love that term! It speaks volumes. When someone calls you an Islamophobe, people, counter with, nope, I'm an IslamoRealist. That should shake their PC MoonBat boots!

Excuse me, at least 2 millenia, approx. 2500 years before Islam, as Abraham lived between 2000 and 1700 BC.

Islam did not appear until Mohammed claimed to have his "revelations" starting in about 610 AD. AD! Is there something you don't get about the difference between AD and BC?

(I realize secular people say BCE and CE, now).

From above: In the present day the chosen people of God are the Muslims.

Somehow, I doubt that. That's really self congratulatory. Can you pat yourself on the back any harder? Your heads way up there in the clouds Khokar. Chosen by Allah, yep I can go for that, chosen by God ...no way...

Wafa Sultan is a God given gift to the USA.
Not only she was born and raised in this mess,but she made it out on her own.
She is a wonderful person speaking the truth and when you watch the video , you notice that her opponent is not feeling well, he is speechless.
He had to take a deep breath before he could answer.
Wafa is a LADY and many times God uses women to do the job , just because they are stronger ..
Way to go , Wafa, keep the good job. At the end, they are going to surrender, because it is nothing but a bunch of cowards.
WE LOVE YOU.
AND DONT WORRY , WE CANNOT FOCUS ON THE SIZE OF THE ENEMY , WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE SIZE OF GOD

Kookhar:

Wafa fully understands the stupidity of Muslims to adhere to flawed and violent tinged dogma as written in Islamic texts and exemplified by the narcissist, Mohammed. This is following the example of Satan and not God. Wafa sheds light on this evil stupidity to the brainwashed Muslims and, of course, their insulted and melting in rage. It is like when one sheds light (Truth) on vampires, they scream and melt and cannot function. Every word of Wafa Sultan drives a stake in the heart of blood seeking Muslims.

Have you ever noticed that Islamic apologists never answer the questions you raise?

I forgot - the Qur'an is the literal Word of Allah. Silly kufrs! There is no need to think or reason or questions. Nirvana for the unused mind.

darcy,
I have never understood the reason for bce and ce. The dictionary defines "common era" as "Christian era". Ergo, "before the common era" and "before Christ" mean the exact same thing. Why waste the extra keystroke?

>>Have you ever noticed that Islamic apologists never answer the questions you raise? --tanstaafl

Right, because they can't. Instead they just call you names such as "racist/bigot/hater" in order to shut you up. They can't reply to your message, so they attack you, the messenger. A sure-fire way to tell they have no argument. "Argumentum Ad Hominem" is as old as Methusalah.

PMK, I don't know. I use BC and AD myself.

One doesn't study Early Italian Renaissance art anymore - one studies the Early Modern Period. Such PC BS.


Dear Duh Swami,

All the Good names belong to our God, our Allah.

Beauty of our Lord is that No body has the monopoly claim on God!

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Love for all, Hatred for None

Brairs,

You only envy a person who is above you.

Wafa Sultan has yet to pass through that street of wisdom, that Quran leads us too.

When she will pass through that; I am sure; she may not be having any thing else to say other than her repentance. You will find her, kneeling down on her knees with tears flowing from her eyes.

Any how her stance does not matter. Her studies are just Superfluous!

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Love for all, Hatred for None

Greetings from nabi ZK, nabi to the mohametan and now pseudo mohametan trolls. Notice how AK says...

"They were even unable to recognise their reformer Jesus the Christ and very defiantly they put him on the cross to die a humiliating death."

This is not the mohametan story at all. According to the mohametans Jesus was NOT crucified. Allah tricked the people with a body double. Tricky allah. Bad allah. Bad. Thus AK reveals himself to be just another pseudo mohametan.

AK, you tool! All religions are not the same and they don't all believe the same things about Jesus. Some religions never even heard of the guy. Please take note of it.

ZK out

nabi ZK

...I wonder, I mean nabi ZK wonders if nabi ZK should really be a nabi for such tools...

The nabified one wishes to ask...What's with these clowns anyhow? I'm getting strong Naseem signals from AK. It's the same line. A garbled reference to things mohametan, followed by a few conciliatory words, followed by triumphal mohametan cheer leading slogans.

nabi ZK

...Wafa really got to them, didn't she..."please please dear lady let's talk about something else, anything else but the noble qur'an"...snicker...I guess they won't be inviting her back...

You crack me up, nabified one! LOL!

AK should be envying Wafa Sultan as all-get-out since she is so far superior to him. Superior Ms. Sultan, for whom we all here have great admiration. Say, Ms. Sultan, when will your book "When God (Allah) is a Monster" be coming out? Can't wait to read the fruits of your obvious wisdom.

AK's delusions concerning the future of Ms. Sultan are completely laughable. You are deluded by Mohamet. Indoctrinated. Brainwashed. But, then that's your position in Islam, isn't it? As a slave. No thinking for yourself - not allowed, as many would immediately see through the sham that is Islam.

The Qu'ran leads only to violence and bloodshed and hate and destruction and murder. Those are the paths of the Qur'an. The reality of those paths has been with us in the early 21st century since September 11, 2001. The Qur'an is a racist, bigoted, hate manual. Geert Wilders is correct that it's akin to "Mein Kampf" and should be banned.

Wafa Sultan has yet to pass through that street of wisdom, that Quran leads us too. Posted by: A Khokar

For swine being haram, you sure spew a lot of hogwash.

Mohammeds wisdom, 101.
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."

Pork is haram, while files are halal.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

Who, knew?

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
Narrated 'Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."

So utterly wise or utterly foolish?


Dear Friends Calon lan, ImNoDhimmi, tanstaffi and Darcy,

All of you raised few questions about our Common religious father Abraham.

I have selected few verses from Holy Book-Quran which are, I believe self explanatory. I hope you will find the answers!

[16:124] “And now We have sent revelation to thee ( Muhammad), enjoining, 'Follow the way of Abraham who was ever inclined to Allah and was not of those who set up equals to Him.”

[3:20] 'Surely, the true religion with Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Book did not disagree but, after knowledge had come to them, out of mutual envy. And whoso denies the Signs of Allah, then surely, Allah is quick at reckoning.'

[5:4] '…..This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion.'

6:126] 'So, whomsoever Allah intends to guide, He expands his bosom for the acceptance of Islam; and whomsoever He intends that he should go astray, He makes his bosom narrow and close, as though he was mounting up into the skies. Thus does Allah inflict punishment on those who do not believe.'


[3:85]' Say (Muhammad), 'We believe in Allah and that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.'

[4:164]' Surely, We have sent revelation to thee (Muhammad), as We sent revelation to Noah and the Prophets after him; and We sent revelation to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his children and to Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David a Book.'

Any further query will be made available at your simple click.
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Dear BurgerBoy, (March 22 1:05 PM)

Satan is a common term used to depict an adversary of God. Satan is taken as real being and a spirit created by God. Satan is also related to high headed people or harmful bacteria or species.

Dear Darcy,

[The Qur'an is a racist, bigoted, hate manual. Geert Wilders is correct that it's akin to "Mein Kampf" and should be banned.]

What else you could wish?

They say: ‘The howling of stray dogs of street may not disrupt the journey plan of passing caravans’

Nabi ZK, wrote:
[All religions are not the same and they don't all believe the same things about Jesus. Some religions never even heard of the guy]

I understand the term ‘nabi’ you mentioned means ‘prophet’.

What type of that prophethood or any religion existing today is which does not recognise that the Jesus ever existed?

I dunno if its actually worthwhile to reply to A. Khokar, because I certainly do not need to be informed about what the Q'ran says about Abraham - especialy as I never mentioned him in my post in the first place.

But as Jesus was again described by him as the 'reformer' of the Jewish faith - there's only thing to say, and I quote the famous physicist Pauli:
'Its not even wrong.'

And before this is taken as assent, Pauli said about bad mathematical proofs that they were wrong; if they were pretty bad, he said they were utterly wrong - and if they were outrageously, indescribably bad - he said they were 'not even wrong' because their starting point was already beyond wrongness.

Hope this helps!

Dear Friends Calon lan, ImNoDhimmi, tanstaffi and Darcy,

All of you raised few questions about our Common religious father Abraham.

I have selected few verses from Holy Book-Quran which are, I believe self explanatory. I hope you will find the answers!--AK, Mohammedan

AK, you can quote from the Q 'till the cows come home, but many people, since the time of Mohamet, have considered the Q to be a work of plagiarised fiction, written by Mohamet to gain power as a prophet. Which he most certainly did. In addition, many people do not believe there's "Allah," a pre-Islamic pagan moon deity. In addition, many consider Mo to be a fake charlatan. Which he most certainly was.

Mohamet got his info about Abraham from the already-established religions of Judaism and Christianity. He plagiarised. Do you know what plagiarism is? He threw in Abraham to give credibility and authority to his work of fiction, the johnny-come-lately Qur'an. So you see - your quoted verses from the Q do not provide any "answers," at all! No - Islam's father is NOT Abraham. You wish, that's apparent.

Yes, Geert Wilders is right. The Q is a fascist murder manual that should be banned from civilized countries. The Q certainly is a "howling stray street dog" - you got that right! No offense against the poor doggies.

Posted by Concerned Citizen:
...illiterate, gold-digging, epileptic, cave-dwelling, lying, lecherous, marauding, caravan-raiding, holy day breaking, warmongering, broken toothed, covetous, wife-stealing, sex-obsessed, polygamist, cradle robbing, pedophile, misogynist, widow maker, sadistic torturer, slave-owning, thieving, dismembering, eye-gouging, immolating, mass-murdering, rapist, supremicist, whining, falsely pious, poisoned, conscious fraud narcissistic, false prophet...


Well, yes. But other than that, he's a pretty good example of how to live.

Thanks, Ralph,

I am pretty disappointed that Khokar ignored my post. I would like to see him address these and other characteristics of the postsuicidal depressive, acromegalic, impotent, egomaniacal and wildly imaginative false prophet (peebuh).

Robert comments that al-Qaradawi's comments can be interpreted as his sanction for Wafa's being killed. In a recent al-Jazeera interview (translated at lookingfromthebalcony.blogspot.com) al-Qaradawi gives a crafty answer when asked whether people who "insult" Islam should be killed.

Uthman: Some say that those who insult the Prophet and Islam should be killed. What is the legal position on that?

Qaradawi: I do not authorize that, because it does not solve the problem. It only complicates the situation, like pouring oil on fire, and encourages those who accuse Muslims of violence. But people can only be pushed so far, and there are some who are jealous of Islam and eager to protect it against gross insult. If someone attacks your father, is it not your right to defend him and to fight on his behalf? Some people might go to the extent (of killing those who insult Islam), and we cannot prohibit them from doing that. But I do not issue fatwas allowing this, and I do not ask Muslims to kill people in non-Muslim countries. When Muslims (insult Islam) in Muslim countries, we judge them. But there are other legal means we can use when this happens in non-Muslim countries. We have been requesting for some time an international law forbidding this. The problem in the West is the matter of freedom of creative expression. But I do not see any creativity in insulting the Prophets and founders of the world's great (religious) communities. This only increases conflict between people. While we are calling for peace and tolerance and love, they are calling for hatred.

...he he doesn't "authorize" killing them, but "we cannot prohitib them from doing that".

dude dude dude... The nabific one refers to all those religions which came before Jesus. Buddhists have heard of him by now for sure. But did the Buddha mention him? I think not. How about Zarathustra? mention Jesus? Nope. And so on. Many great religious traditions are completely independent of his teachings.

nabi ZK

...Jai Sri Ram, dude... Jai Sri Ram....

CC, don't worry if AK doesn't talk to you. It's just Naseem anyhow. Did you think he/she/it could really stay away?

ZK

BTW. Naseem now plies his/her/it's trade over at SOAP.

ZK

But I do not see any creativity in insulting the Prophets and founders of the world's great (religious) communities. ...

"Surely they lie who say that Jesus, the messaih, son of Mary is divine. He was but a blessed spirit (iyadnaya biruh) sent by allah as a mercy to mankind."

-From An Nisa (paraphrased by and translated by... you guessed it... nabi ZK)

Translation: Your God ain't God fool.

Tell us again Mr. Q how there is no creativity insulting founders of the world's great religions.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 22, 2008 1:01 AM

From Illiteracy to all…ghastly things;

It had just passed an era of Christianity and this world was drowned immersed in anarchy and mayhem. God sent him to alleviate them of their sufferings and free them from the shackles of oppression and slavery. He was sent as the blessing for the whole of the mankind.

A Qaseeda:
* After his arrival; in a short span of time; the destitute; they became spiritually lit up by the Sun of Truth at the time of darkness while they were immersed in sin and vices.

* And with Allah grace; he delivered them safely from these swamps.

* He had found them to be a group of people who because of their sins were despicable like dung. But due to his spiritual power; he transformed them into an ingot of pure gold.

* O Holy Prophet; You brought to life, with a single glimpse, those who lay spiritually dead for centuries.

* Who can compare with him in this glorious achievement?
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Love for all, Hatred for None

A Khokar, you stated.

[3:85]' Say (Muhammad), 'We believe in Allah and that which has been revealed to us,and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.'

Its 3.84
003.084
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
003.085
PICKTHAL: And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

Let us suppose for a moment that the above statement is the truth which was then also revealed to Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which are then also contained within the 66 different books from 40 different authors, we know as the Bible. So the conclusion is the Bible and the Qur’an must agree, but I am afraid that is not the case,

Jesus said:
Mat 22:36-40 MKJV
(36) Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
(37) Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
(38) This is the first and great commandment.
(39) And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
(40) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Mohammed said:
Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." The questioner again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) 'Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah's pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet)."
And my all time favorite
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

So Jesus says “love your neighbor as yourself” which sums up the entire law of God.
Mohammed says Allah has ordered me to “participate in jihad”, convert all other religions by force and of course kill off some Jews.

Apostle Paul said:
Rom 9:22-25 MKJV
(22) What if God, willing to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction;
(23) and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy which He had before prepared to glory;
(24) whom He also called, not only us, of Jews, but also of the nations?
(25) As He also says in Hosea, "I will call those not My people, My people; and those not beloved, Beloved."
Rom 12:19 MKJV
(19) not avenging yourselves, beloved, but giving place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

Moses said:
Deu 32:35 MKJV
Vengeance and retribution belong to Me (God). Their foot shall slide in time, for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come on them make haste.
(Emphasis mine)

Mohammed said:
002.193
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
005.051
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Here we can see the God of the Bible is long-suffering and merciful towards all people not just the Jews.
Vengeance and retribution is also His (Gods), not ours, we are not to personally seek revenge for any wrongs we perceived done to us or against God by others.
From the Qur’an we see some very different ideas, forced conversion, it is perfectly fine to be “hostile” to perceived “wrong-doers”, not to befriend Jews or Christians and then more forced conversion, not very “love your neighbor as yourself” like no matter what context you put it in.
It is also clear that mercy and long-suffering toward all people are not attributes of Allah, the supposedly creator of all people, yet merciful only to those who garner it.

Now most Moslem apologist will claim the Bible was revised by the “romans” and that is why the Qur’an in our present day clearly does not agree with the Bible both in word and practice, and that claim is made without any evidence outside of Islamic claims and a ton of evidence to the contrary, albeit infidel evidence which a lot of Moslems find suspect. Those oh so clever Jews are very busy, with those Bible revisions and the whole controlling the world thing and all just to make “Islam” look bad, like it needed any help.

“Satan is also related to high headed people or harmful bacteria or species.” - A Khokar

Funny and stupid at the same time.

Khokar,

It had just passed an era of Christianity and this world was drowned immersed in anarchy and mayhem. God sent him to alleviate them of their sufferings and free them from the shackles of oppression and slavery. He was sent as the blessing for the whole of the mankind.

You're kidding right? Christianity was still going pretty good, Arabs seemed content with their monotheism/polytheism. Mohammed enslaved a whole lot of people, killed a lot. Where's the blessing? Are you calling "mankind" Muslims only? What a patronizing pile of ahistorical drivel.

A Qaseeda: * After his arrival; in a short span of time; the destitute; they became spiritually lit up by the Sun of Truth at the time of darkness while they were immersed in sin and vices.

Short time. God, you sound like a dispensationalist. He preached for 13 years and had what, a handful of converts? 13 years? Mohammed was the one immersed in sin and vices. See the above list. Pick a topic.

* And with Allah grace; he delivered them safely from these swamps.

He made them into emotionless killing machines. The swamp was Mohammed's situational ethics.

* He had found them to be a group of people who because of their sins were despicable like dung. But due to his spiritual power; he transformed them into an ingot of pure gold.

Mohammed drank excrement. Didn't he like it? How was he morally superior to anyone he displaced? His spiritual power was epilepsy, his transformation was a gradual declension from a cavedwelling want-to-be mystic into a conscious imposter, a hedonistic fraud.

* O Holy Prophet; You brought to life, with a single glimpse, those who lay spiritually dead for centuries.

Finally, a miracle from the Prophet of Doom! Oh wait, that was from Ezekiel. He didn't really do that did he?

* Who can compare with him in this glorious achievement?

David Koresh, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Kim Jung Il, Pol Pot, Mussolinni, Hitler, Warren Jeffs, Shoko Asahara, Ghengis Khan,.... There's actually a relatively long list of people exactly like him, who also ruined part of the world in their own special way.

Ladies and gentlemen

Long before Oriana Fallaci, another redoubtable woman journalist, Martha Gellhorn, in her splendid essay 'The Arabs of Palestine', published in 'Atlantic Monthly' 1961, and now available in its entirety online:


http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/196110/gellhorn

coined the perfect word for all of the nonsense and lies we hear from so many within the Islamosphere, such as Mr Qaradawi, and indeed, right here on this very comments floor, from persons such as A Khokar.

She spoke of her interviews with Arab Muslims, and with some of their more thoroughly dhimmified Arabised Christian compatriots, as 'mad hatter conversations' (and remarks "to listen to these conversations is work for a psychiatrist, not a journalist"). More than once, she describes the barefaced lies and nonsense, conspiracy theories and all the rest of it, with which she was ceaselessly regaled, by people in Jordan, in Arab-occupied Jerusalem and Judea, in Lebanon, and within the Arab community in Israel, as "mad hattery'.

There you have it. Mad Hattery. I propose that this term for adoption within the Counter-Jihad movement.

I must inform you, Mr A Khokar, that every exchange in which you have been a partner, on this comments floor in Mr Spencer's hedge school/ war room/ tavern/ coffee house, has resembled nothing so much as a Mad Hatter Conversation; and it has been you who have produced the Mad Hattery.

I'm so disappointed Khokar missed my post.

illiterate ... even after Gabriel squeezed his chest empty multiple times, he still couldn't make Mohammed read.
gold-digging ... if it wasn't for the cradle robbing Khadijah, we wouldn't have all of these problems
suicidal ... (Gabriel) "No, Mohammed, don't do it" (Mo) "I just can't take the rejection"
epileptic ... clearly a case of temporal lobe epilepsy "Wherever I looked..."
demon-possessed ... Mo should have stuck with his first conclusion
cave-dwelling ... anybody else think he may have been smoking some dope up there?
lying ... the son of the father of lies, even allowed his followers to verbally trash him so they could get close enough to geriatric poets to kill them
lecherous ... "Hey Hafsa, your daddy's calling you .... (sound of locking door) Mariyah, Mariyah...."
marauding, caravan-raiding ... hey, guys, shave your heads and head out that way, but don't open my letter until you get to the caravan
holy day breaking ... "when the sacred months have passed... ah, what the hell"
warmongering ... from the back lines under two coats of mail. "Virgins, get your virgins here"
broken toothed ... more mail please.
covetous ... hey, Zainab, nice negligee
wife-stealing ... Zaid, 'member how I said I heard in heaven she was your wife... well, Allah says I was wrong. Sorry. Oh, and you're disinherited.
sex-obsessed ... and yet Aisha says he had amazing self-control, usually just fondling. Is there a problem here?
polygamist ... if at first you don't get it up, try, try another
cradle robbing ... (Abu Bakr) "Please, Mo, not my baby girl"
pedophile ... 54 on 9
misogynist ... ever thought it funny that Khadijah was a sage when she sat stripped naked on Mohammed's lap to scare off the jinn and prove he was a prophet, but otherwise women are stupid, unclean menstruators worth half the value of a man?

To be continued....

Now CC. Don't hurt AK's feelings. He's our only troll at the moment and if we lose him things will be a lot less entertaining around here.

nabi ZK

...go ahead and ask me for a fatwa....it's free!...

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at March 23, 2008 1:09 AM

Dear CC,

Acclaim not your Piety beyond your stretch; look inward; see that your own apparels and flashy garbs are all blotted, blackened and in tatter!

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Love for all, Hatred for None

If the entire Arab world with its century old seats of learning and Arab cultural headquarters like Cairo, Baghdad, Tehran and Damascus are unable to come up with a worthwhile international TV station.

The entire Arab world with its centuries old seats of learning hasn't been able to come up with anything worthwhile since about 1240 AD - except for falafil, shawerma, and belly-dancing.

Khokar,

Sorry, I'm not the Perfect Model of Conduct, the Perfect Man, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, the One For Whom Everything Was Created, to 1.2 Billion people, nor do I want to be, nor do others want me to be.

If you think I've wronged Mr. Perfect above, please show me the error of my ways. Islam's Sun of Truth rises and falls on the person and character of Mohammed.

If you can't defend him, then you can't defend Islam.

dumbledoresarmy,
Thanks for the link. They were saying all of this in 1961? Hmm. Now what was the Middle East like in 1961?

Gaza was controlled by Egypt.
The West Bank was Jordanian.
The Golan Heights were Syrian.
Lebanon was peaceful and had a large Christian presence.
The Sinai Desert was (and is, again) Egyptian.

Israel was an "occupying power".

What's wrong with this picture?

I subscribe to AM and am looking forward to this.

Atlantic article is worth reading. One thing stands out. The schoolteacher's response to the author's question is nothing short of - I don't know what to call it.


"Please answer me this, which is what I must, know. If the position were reversed, if the Jews had started the war and lost it, if you had won the war, would you now accept Partition? Would you give up part of the country and allow the 650,000 Jewish residents of Palestine -who had fled from the war--to come back?"

"Certainly not," he said, without an instant's hesitation. "But there would have been no Jewish refugees. They had no place to go. They would all be dead or in the sea."

The author also had more hope, believing that within one generation there would be no refugee camps, since the children would demand better lives and so would be merged into the different Arab nations rather than wait for their return to Israel.

Dear Concerned Citizen,

This will be my endeavour to do my best to make you understand what I can and explain the truth of the message that I know of. Allah says: And We sent not the Messengers but as bearers of glad tidings and as Warners. So those who believe and reform themselves, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.’

I also do understand that rather than considering the message and test it on the touch stones of Truth; often people go for maligning the Messenger’s character which they know of not. Some have even created allegation factories to generate the filth for mudslinging.

My sole defence is that [2:257] ‘There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way has become distinct from error.’ To guide a person is certainly in the hands of God. He guides the people to right path to whom so ever wills.
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Love for all, Hatred for None

often people go for maligning the Messenger’s character which they know of not. Some have even created allegation factories to generate the filth for mudslinging.

We know of the Messenger's character from the Message itself, and the witnesses of those rightly guided through the traditions of sound isnad collected in the Sahih ahadith and the seerah. If this is not true, then this ayah is not true:

033.021
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
PICKTHAL: Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.
SHAKIR: Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.

Are the "allegation factories" generating "filth" the Qur'an, the ahadith, and the seerah themselves? Show me where I've misrepresented in the above. If you cannot, then admit it.

Mohammed at age 54 copulated with Aiesha when she was 8 years 9 months of age. Prove this wrong, or show me why this should not be considered pedophilia.

Mohammed committed adultery with Mariyeh during Hafsa's "turn" (ignoring for the moment the excesses of hyperpolygamy). Prove this wrong, or show me why adultery is okay.

Mohammed solicited the murder of geriatric poets and poetesses. Prove this wrong, or show me why I should find this acceptable in a "role model".

Surely you see a pattern developing here. Pick a topic.

considering the message

The Message? You mean only those soothing Medinan verses prattled on college campuses funded with filthy Saudi petrodollars? "The Message" is an incoherent, nonchronological, incomplete collection of burblings of a desert narcissist interpretable only through the Sunnah, tafsir, etc. No bidah, no new ijtihad, it is all faslul-khitab. You have to take the good with the bad, the way it is presented, end of discussion. It is supposed to be a 100% accurate copy of what is in heaven. Not a pick and choose smorgasbord. If you like what you quote, then you also have to like 9:5, 9:29, 5:51, 98:6, etc., which through al nasikh wa al mansukh override the earlier, pithier, vague, and frequently plagiarized Medinan ayahs.

Dear Concerned citizen and Friends,

From your deliberations it looks like that it will be not wrong for me to say or claim that the culture of today of which you are part and parcel is probably the hall mark of piety and some how old Arab culture at the time of Prophet Muhammad was the worst of its kind. But the western culture (USA) today; where in every two minutes some 7 rapes are occurring, where indulgence in adultery is a free norm. As an average a person sleeps with 8 different friends before they commit to live with one partner. (In most of the cases without any legal marriage), some 70% of school going girls loose their virginity before they leave the school education and… on and… on… A long list of filth and curse of culture can be drawn.

I did write last times that before this that you point out a finger on some one else; you must see near you:
(Acclaim not your Piety beyond your stretch; look inward; see that your own apparels and flashy garbs are all blotted, blackened and in tatter!)

Any how in Arab world; Jesus era was just turning to bygone days. Show wealth, number of slaves and flocks of wives were the norms and status symbols of power and strength. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)being the renowned person with the high held status even among the non-believers; in the grill of that culture also received some ladies sent by kings and tribe leaders (including Jews and Christian) to take them into marriage. (Later under the revelation this number was reduced to maximum four for the believers that too with certain conditions.)

You have also touched upon various verses i.e. 9:5, 9:29, 5:51, 98:6, etc., Primarily these verses pertain to the instructions pertaining to killing of opponents under the war like conditions. For instance verses of chapter 9 ; ‘The Repentance’ and others that you have mentioned; these pertains to special conditions of a treaty. The history tells us that with the fall of Mecca and the defeat of Hawazin in the ‘Battle of Hunain’, when these verses were revealed, the rule and authority of Islam had been established through out Hijaz (Arabia). Certain tribes had made treaties with the Muslims and had laid down arms. These treaties were to be fully observed but there were other tribes who had not yet made formal submission. They had not laid down their arms and also had not made any treaty with the Muslims; required to ensure the maintenance of peace and the observance of law and order. They had since commenced hostilities against Muslim and though they had in effect been vanquished; they had not yet acknowledge defeat nor had agreed to live in peace with the Muslims. These tribes were given a four months period of respite during which operation against them would remain suspended. They could go about freely in the land and satisfy themselves that their further resistance was useless. They could make their submission and make treaties and it is to these tribes that verses refers to’ that if they violate the terms; they be dealt with accordingly.

BTW: Any study or research with a particular mindset and preconceived ideas may not bring about any good results or make the man any wise.

Man; Islam is a God designed religion. This is the religion selected by our creator for the times to come. Come willingly or unwillingly but to come; you have to. It has come to stay; and will live! This is not my claim; This has been foretold and vouch saved.
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Dear A Khokar,

The excess and abuse of freedom in the West is far preferable to the smug hypocrisy, murderously enforced conformity, moral failings, social dysfuntions, and innate inequalities and injustices of Dar al-Islam.

Though Christianity's divinely revealed New Testament scriptures foretell of a mass apostasy in latter days (read for yourself; they plainly reveal these things), victory is promised to those who faithfully perservere to the End; victory belongs to God, His Christ, and His people. In the meantime, we are assured that "where sin abounds, grace does even more abound"; and that "I AM with you always, even unto the consummation of the world."

You have also touched upon various verses i.e. 9:5, 9:29, 5:51, 98:6, etc., Primarily these verses pertain to the instructions pertaining blah, blah, blah...

Reality check. Failing to aid the spread of Islam is NOT PERSECUTION. Duh. He attacked a lot of people with NO provocation. If you can't admit that, you are just a dense Mohammedan.

BTW: Any study or research with a particular mindset and preconceived ideas may not bring about any good results or make the man any wise.

Mirror check. None of you ever realize that that is exactly your own problem. WHAT OTHER PROPHET EVER RAPED, MURDERED OR STOLE??? (Answer: none)

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)being the renowned person with the high held status even among the non-believers

Let's recall, 13 years of Meccan preaching, handful of runaway slaves and malcontents for converts, Mohammed starts killing, whew, numbers go up! "High held status"?

From your deliberations it looks like that blah, blah, blah....

Tu quoque alert.

Get back to the question, which of the things said about Mohammed were untrue?

Can you at least answer that?

Why not?

Khokar,

Sunaan Abu Dawud: Book 11, number 2150
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."" [The Qur’an verse is 4:24].

Sahih Muslim 8.3432
One can have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is clear of her period and/or delivery. If she has a husband then her marriage is abrogated after she becomes a captive (Quran 4:24)…

Sahih Muslim 8.3432
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 459:
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:
I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
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Yes, the Perfect Man, Excellent Example, Model of Conduct, ALWAYS succombed to acting no better than a marauding 7th century Arab. Now even though he is the Perfect Man for all time, we are supposed to judge him based on 7th century norms, if and only if there is no sin in our lives???

Wake up, Khokar, some of us actually know our Bible and are not intimidated by the smokescreen tu quoque "Judge Not" pabulum. WE don't murder, WE don't rape, WE don't raid and steal, WE don't keep slaves, so YES, we WILL judge Mohammed for that against time eternal standards, not 7th century Arabia. That is, IT'S WRONG AND EVIL, and therefore, so was your Prophet.

You're options are simple, Khokar:

1) Say Mohammed was wrong
2) Say and prove he didn't do those things
3) Say and prove not only that those things he did were not wrong, but that because he is the Model of Conduct for All Time, that they were never, and will never be wrong. That is, that you unconditionally approve.

Post 524222 at 5:18PM

Last sentence obviously should read "... Meccan ayahs".

...it has come to stay; and will live! This is not my claim; This has been foretold and vouch saved....

nabi ZK wished to inform you that the one who fortells the future is a liar. Please take note of it.

nabi ZK

...the future is known to me alone AK...believe it or...or else...

Greetings ZK,

I think the pseudo-mohametan troll finally had his hissy fit meltdown and left.

Well CC. I, I mean nabi ZK, isn't making any official predictions. But my nabificness thinks he will probably still hang with us, cool, because hope springs eternal.

nabi ZK (pbum)

Posted by: zonie kafir at March 23, 2008 11:36 PM

Your Emminence,

Would you be kind enough to please tell us; what lies next in the future for this universe and till how long we have to bear you?

Thanking you in advance.
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Welcome back, AK

1) Say Mohammed was wrong
2) Say and prove he didn't do those things
3) Say that you unconditionally approve.

Well that's better there AK but such information is privileged to, you guessed it, nabi ZK. So don't ask again. OK? However, thank you for validating the previous prediction made by my nabificness, yes by making the above post. Damn, the nabi is getting good at this...

nabi ZK

...sheesh...gotta have some trade secrets you know...

Oh, and you might have to bear me for just a bit longer. Another awesome prediction by nabi ZK.

nabi ZK

...told you he would be back CC...hope springs eternal...just don't expect any answers to your questions...

Dear Concerned Citizen, Zoni Kafir and Friends,

I bear repeating that Judaic, Christian or the Muslims; they all originate from the same area- Middle East. Although they have also been able to migrate to far off lands to settle but their hub of attention remain the same. Invariably all of us like to relish and circuit around, our common main hub and origin…Palestine. Our common religion the religion of Abraham is not very old and has a history of some 6000 years only. From Abraham* to Moses*, to Jesus* the religion selected by God for mankind is now down to Muhammad*. All the prophets as per God’s plan have duly been imparting their teachings to raise the status and level of conscious of their peoples to bring them from lower to higher degree till it has reached now at its summit… Islam.

Killing of persons on (seemingly) silly charges has been a common practice in the culture of our predecessors. To keep the society in tact and maintain peace and order in the society the Legislative Bodies of the time have been prescribing comparatively harsh punishments like death penalty or killing by stoning for petty social crimes; for instance; working or gathering even wood for fire on Sabbath day, adultery, fornication, trespassing or switching loyalties, apostasy etc, etc were dealt with severely by death penalty. The religion, where it has been imparting the awakening educations has also been alleviating the peoples step by step of oppression, hunger, slavery and discrimination.

Islam gave the Golden Rules for the civilised world, centuries ago; [5:33] ‘…that whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing (murder of) a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.’

There is certainly no place for any coercion in religion of Islam. God Almighty is very clear about it. God says: [2:257] ‘There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing!’[6:49] ‘And We sent not the Messengers but as bearers of glad tidings and as Warner. So those who believe and reform themselves, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.’

Having known Islam that it is out there standing as the successor of old denomination. Islam exposes as well as shuns the fabrications in the old books and confirms and validates the truth held by them. Out of sheer envy the activists with their vested interests from the old are some how set to resist it and see their ‘Challenger-Islam’ to go down. World wide machinery is seen in operation to oppose and malign it. But Islam is a God’s own design and polished product; who has ever be able to stand in the way of God?

Dear friends; we should worry and care about our ‘present’ and see that where we stand? Our future lies very much in our hands!

We see that phoney war supposedly to fight the global terrorism is on. In order to subjugate the innocent people and grab their mineral assets through fallacy, deceit and persecutions by the western oppressing forces are the orders of the day. The forced depravation imposed through UN sanctions and invasion of sovereign countries at flimsy pretext; the inhalation plans to eliminate the entire generations are the curses of the time.

We should dig down and recognise the Truth and act and adjust our positions accordingly. We should come forward to support the victims and restrict the oppressors from carrying out atrocious crimes against humanity.
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Love for all, Hatred for None
(* peace be upon them all.)

Perhaps that was confusing. Here, let me restate it for you:

1) Say Mohammed was wrong
2) Say and prove he didn't do those things
3) Say that you unconditionally approve.

AK,

The option of placing Mohammed in his historical time reference is NOT available to you, while maintaining his distinction as the Excellent Example in 33:21 above, the Model of Conduct not for his time, but all times.

You must give up one or the other. If you continue to defend him as excusable for being no better or no worse than his contemporaries (or worse as above, the worst elements of Western modern society as in your previous post), then I will have to assume you either do not accept him as the Perfect Man, uswa hosana, or that you unconditionally approve of everything he did, in all contexts, then and now.

Islam gave the Golden Rules for the civilised world, centuries ago; [5:33] ‘…that whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing (murder of) a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.’

Islam is morally corrupt and gives nothing but lip service.

Burgerboy,

Seems Freudian he quoted 5:32, but cited 5:33

005.033
YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

Nabific One,

I do homage to your prophethood and give thanks exceedingly to the Almighty for you!

Burgerboy and Concerned Citizen,

Sorry for inconvenience that you had to put some extra effort in tracing the reference number of the verse. In fact there are two rules for quoting the references from Holy Quran. Since all the chapters start with an opening verse (except chapter 9); ‘In the name of Allah, the gracious, the Merciful’ and most of the scholars omit its serial number in count; where as some of the scholars do prefer to count this verse also in serial numbers. I have been counting it as such; so there was one addition in number. This is a well known factor in Islamic Circle but any how next time to make it an international factor I will refer it as one number less. Thanks.

It is bit strange for me to note that you were quick in pointing the verse preceding the one I referred above and also took the effort to write the lengthy note but failed to see the next actual verse; which I am sure that you knew it very well?

Allah’s instructions to kill a Foe, an infidel while confronting him in the war, by all means is a right command. Our soldiers when confronting enemy in the battle field are suppose to kill the soldiers of opponent forces; because if our soldiers don’t kill; they themselves will be killed. (Battle Field Rule: kill or be killed)

BTW; what is the issue and why you are so perturbed; After all you don’t present flowers to your foes?
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Thanks John C! I'll take that as an endorsement for my "Famous Nabi Correspondence Course and Companion DVD". I also pay homage to your nabific powers and give thanks to God for you.

nabi ZK (pbuu)

...peace be upon us...

Posted by: BurgerBoy at March 24, 2008 2:28 PM

[Islam ….gives …lip service.]

Yes; point noted; I will ask Islamist to give a full passionate service.

AK,

Your obscurantism is becoming tedious. You fail to directly answer a very simple question. You choose to address esoteric verse enumeration traditions, but fail to address mutilation and dismemberment. You attempt to portray us as cherry picking or deliberately witholding contextual exculpation, while you fail to address the horror of your "prophet" splitting hairs about the "companions" desire to do open ejaculations on top of a captive man's wife right in front of him.

Then to top it all off, you ask this:

BTW; what is the issue and why you are so perturbed; After all you don’t present flowers to your foes?

You've answered my question all right. You unconditionally approve of every sick thing Mohammed and his followers did in the Qur'an and Sunnah. You only wish you could get away with it now, too.

May God have mercy on you.

A Khokar

Your own words prove your absolute insanity.

Western logic and Islamic illogic don’t mix, its like water and gas, in that order.

...You attempt to portray us as cherry picking or deliberately witholding contextual exculpation, while you fail to address the horror of your "prophet" splitting hairs about the "companions" desire to do open ejaculations on top of a captive man's wife right in front of him....

You tell him CC! AK. Come on now. This is really bad behavior! In our neck of the woods we would want these brigands killed as soon as possible. You must come from some strange planet or something not to get it. There is no context which makes this OK. Hang 'em at dawn!

nabificly yours

nabi ZK

...You attempt to portray us as cherry picking or deliberately witholding contextual exculpation, while you fail to address the horror of your "prophet" splitting hairs about the "companions" desire to do open ejaculations on top of a captive man's wife right in front of him....

You tell him CC! AK. Come on now. This is really bad behavior! In our neck of the woods we would want these brigands killed as soon as possible. You must come from some strange planet or something not to get it. There is no context which makes this OK. Hang 'em at dawn!

nabificly yours

nabi ZK

Dear Burgerboy,

Your Logic of water and gas…

When two gases are combined that makes water; don’t forget that if one gas is taken out the other may disappears in Ether. Come along we can make many waves till this combination is there.
Once sails are opened, this gas can take you--- a long way.
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Love for all, Hatred for None

Come along we can make many waves till this combination is there.

I would rather be human, instead.

Romans 8:5-7
For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.

AK,

Your apologetics are designed to coax the unwary infidel back to sleep, to avoid obvious unpleasantries that challenge his natural, innocent hope that all men are desirous of peace and of good conscience.

But today, you've failed. I will be more antipathetical and antagonistic towards Islam than I have ever been, because of you. You are my new poster child for "moderate" Islam. Whenever I am tempted to think better of Muslims, instead, I will remember you.

I have hung on for days here hoping to kindle some spark of humanity in you, to plant a seed of cognitive dissonance that might eventually grow into "Love for All". I have wasted my time. I pity you, for you have no soul.

CC -

"Love for all, Hatred for None"

This closing statement by AK is a beguilling red flag to me, and is designed to trick the reader towards believing just the opposite of what is actually true about said poster.

Anyone who feels the need to end each comment with such a "LINE" is one very scary soulless dude.

....and his opening "Dear" so-in-so is just as beguilling.

The serpeant in the Garden of Eden was a beguilling liar too.







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