The charges were reduced from hate crime status. Still, one wonders what would have happened if he had thrown a Bible into the toilet. Probably he would have gotten some kind of award from the Pace Art Department.
"Pace Student Who Dumped Korans in Toilet Gets Community Service," from AP (thanks to Carl in Jerusalem):
NEW YORK (AP) -- A former Pace University student who twice threw copies of the Koran into a toilet at the school after disputes with Muslims pleaded guilty Monday to disorderly conduct in connection with the incidents.Stanislav Shmulevich, 24, pleaded guilty as part of a deal in which he must do 300 hours of community service. He has completed about 80 hours of the service at a hospital, his lawyer said.
Shmulevich, of Brooklyn, admitted he tossed the Muslim holy books into toilets at Pace on Oct. 13, 2006, and Nov. 21, 2006. A criminal complaint says the Koran that was recovered in the October incident "was covered in feces."
In both cases, a teacher found the books in a men's room on the second floor of the school's main building in lower Manhattan.
Muslims consider the Koran a sacred writing that contains the direct word of God, and desecrating it is seen as an offense against God.
Is that a point of American law? Did that figure in this criminal complaint? Should this case really have been treated any differently from how it might have been if he had thrown, say, The Conscience of a Conservative into a toilet?
Detective Faisal Khan, who prepared the complaint, said Shmulevich told him "he committed the acts out of anger toward a group of Muslim students with whom he had a recent disagreement."Shmulevich, a business major and immigrant from the former Soviet Union, initially was charged with two counts of criminal mischief as a hate crime. The charge is a felony punishable by up to four years in prison.
His lawyer, Glenn Morak, said he believed the disorderly conduct plea was an appropriate disposition.
"There was no hate crime here," Morak said. "He accepts responsibility, and he is repentant."
Good. After all, "if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful" (Qur'an 9:5).
That'll teach him. Don't mess with the Thought Police.
Shmulevich, of Brooklyn, admitted he tossed the Muslim holy books into toilets at Pace on Oct. 13, 2006, and Nov. 21, 2006. A criminal complaint says the Koran that was recovered in the October incident "was covered in feces."
He should have argued that they were destroying a "work of art" in progress. Perhaps he could have got a grant from the National Art Society.
He was merely inspired by the great works of artists who placed the crucifix in urine or sculpted the virgin Mary out of shit.
Why was a Muslim policeman allowed to prosecute this, wasn't he considered "too close"? That he might have a personal interest or involvement? I'm sure an outwardly Christian policeman would be allowed to be involved if it had been a New Testament or Jewish policeman if it had been a Humash (printed Torah). More preferential treatment for sharia...
Koran Rage: To flush or not to flush…
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/03/04/koran-rage-to-flush-or-not-to-flush/
300 hours seems a bit much. It's not like there's a shortage of Qur'ans..........
Free speech down the toilet is apparently preferable.
Maybe the US will ban Geert Wilders film before Holland does.
Good Grief. Who would have thought the United States would come to this?
"Muslims consider the Koran a sacred writing that contains the direct word of God, and desecrating it is seen as an offense against God."
So if the motoons believe that their god is offended then why doesn't he do anything about it?" can't allah protect himself? the creator of the universe has to go beg muslims to defend hid honor? the most this guy could be charged with is "hurting the muslims' feelins". but is hurting feelings of others a crime? Are we ready to jail all artists? all comedeans? end all tv shows and commercials? because at one time or another they all had hurt feelings of others? where will all this lead to?
The felonious 'hate-crime' charge was bogus from the onset. I agree with Briars that there is an obvious double-standard here, but the fact of the matter is that Shmulevich used Pace University property.
Hopefully someone else will similarly stage a protest against the Qur'an, with their own purchased books, at an appropriate location.
Since no 'crime' could then be brought forth, the response would be quite interesting, if not altogether expected.
I hope some twisted toilet paper mill makes a roll version of the koran
That'll be another 300 hours of community service for you!
The world has lost it.
A disorderly conduct plea makes it almost impossible to get a CWP .Not a smart move.
"In both cases, a teacher found the books in a men's room on the second floor of the school's main building in lower Manhattan."
So the guy was genuinely guilty of vandalizing public restrooms. That he did it with some books that happen to be copies of the Quran should be irrelevant.
"Detective Faisal Khan, who prepared the complaint..."
Nope, the investigating officer has no personal agenda here.
In my view it is not environmentally sound to flush or burn Korans. The Koran shoud be disposed in a waste paper container to be recycled into toilet paper.
This shows the problems with any kind of hate crime legislation. So what if I hate Muslims, why should that be a crime? In the past when people burned crosses, it wasn't the cross burning per se, but the implied threat of violence behind the cross burning that was wrong (and I don't know if cross burning would be illegal today without a real threat of violence).
This was an act of vandalism and, perhaps, petty theft. There was no threat of violence only a threat of insult. It would be quite different if this person went into a mosque during prayers and stole a koran and defiled it. He didn't.
Which verse of the Qur'an states that:
"Ye must not throweth this book down a toilet"?
If I was to walk down a street, take out a Qur'an and throw it against a wall, or on the pavement, or in the trash can et cetera...is that illegal now beacause it's a Qur'an?
This is really getting bizarre.
here's the criminal complaint.
Detective Faisal Khan, who prepared the complaint,
What do the rest of you guys in the Department think of this s**t?
The quran is not a the Law_of_the_Land yet.
The quran is not the Law_of_the_Land yet.
No, that pleasure awaits you shortly after November 4th.
So who do I complain to when I see the Stars and Stripes or UK Union Flag being burned in the street by muslims?
Anyway, I'm surprised this guy is still alive. Presumably, he's been inundated with death threats. I wonder if those will be investigated.
If you read the Qur'an, you will discover that it is written by humans, not god, gods or goddesses. Man has always created God. That's why our gods act so silly.
Remember the artwork with the crucifix in the jar of urine called "Pissed Christ", how about a Koran in a jar of piss called "Pissed Off Muslims"?
It is not clear from the complaint who owned the object that was in one instance left in a public toilet and, in the other, dropped into the toilet of the same facility. It refers instead to damaging the property of another.
I realize that the inferred "hate crime" is the alleged disrespect toward someone's cherished publication. However what property exactly was damaged (in the legal sense in the complaint), the room, the toilet or the book?
240 hours of CS for man who assaulted police officer:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/343714_sentencing15.html
250 hours of CS for a man who stole clothing out of boy's locker room (plus jail time and fine):
http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/02/28/news/regional/10158042.txt
200 hours of CS for teenage boy who struck his pregnant girlfriend twice with baseball bat to induce miscarriage:
http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/0509/30/B01-332781.htm
250 hours of CS for man found with marijuana and loaded gun:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2006-05-04-comm-service-failure-to-comply_x.htm
Yea, 300 hours for a student who tossed a book in the potty seems about fair!
travis,
The Qur'an copies were Pace U. property.
Can't the defence claim some conflict of interest when it was a Mooselimb who prepared the charges? They do that on Law and Order all the time.
says the Koran that was recovered in the October incident "was covered in feces."
will what's the big deal. The Koran is a big pile of feces
since this through a Koran from the library in the toilet getting community service for destroying a Library book is fair when he should have done was
sent to this URL http://www.freekoran.com/form.php
and get a free copy of the Koran, and then used as toilet paper and if accused of any hate crime
then asked the judge if he had done it with the Bible or Torah would it have been any crime to destroy his own book
and I would question a Muslim police officer being unbiased in filing the complaint
Is it legal to purchase a Quran and feed it to my goat?
Just wondering..
I want to know who was the lucky stiff who fished out that poopy smeared Koran-was it a believer? If so, he should get some of his 72 virgins early as a reward.
and Nov. 21, 2006. A criminal complaint says the Koran that was recovered in the October incident "was covered in feces."
Just rinse it off with clear water, it will be as good as new.
Another question - could he have avoided those 300 hours of community service by converting to Islam? It would have been fascinating to see what the Muslim reaction would have been had a judge refused to commute his sentence on those grounds.
Shmulevich probably had more freedom in the USSR than he has here. After all, there, the worst he'd have had to do was follow Communism, which still wasn't alien to Russians. Here, he has to defer to Islam, which is not only alien to the US, but to him as well.
Allahu Akbar
ISLAMSFORLOSERS
I wonder whether he used his right, sorry left hand in fishing it out?
Ashes to ashes....
Dust to dust.....
Toilet paper to toilet paper.
I don't see the problem.
300 hours of community service could best be served by repeating said offense.
"I hope some twisted toilet paper mill makes a roll version of the koran"
Ohhh that is too funny, that idea could make someone some big bucks. Lots of people spend probably 15 minutes a day doing what they do in bathrooms, now if they had a toilet paper koaran in there with them they might be reading while they are in there. Who knows, thousands might become mahometans and when asked they probably would never admit how they came to that belief.
I think that you should get in touch with our saudi friends and tell them of your idea, they could stock every airport, every restaurant with free qouaran tp as a form of religious outreach.
Or they could think the idea sacreligious, hard to say, I know mahometans worship some rock in mecca, do they also worship paper?
When a book is regarded to be above other books we have a problem called favoritism. Imagine if for example Mien Kampf was found in a toilet insted of that Quran, would there have been a witch hunt?
What if we found the Communists Manifesto print in a toilet basin would that have caused a shake down?
I say the Quran is Qurap but frankly what ever someone does with thier book has nothing what so ever to do with those who subscribe to its content.
That's a lot of community service for $5-10 worth of books (as per online prices for similar copies).
Why not just a fine of replacement value and/or clean the aforementioned toilets for a week?
A case of a mediocre lawyer.
Is it legal to purchase a Quran and feed it to my goat?
Just wondering...
No. That would be animal cruelty, because of what you've done to the goat.
This is a shocking story. To put a Koran in a toilet is a grave offense to toilets, those Western wonders of modern technology and hygiene which make no small contribution to our high quality of life and overall good health. The offender should have been sentenced to 300 hours of plumbing work, without pay.
Re. the comment about the book being "covered with feces" when it was retrieved...this is no doubt overkill, for something that is already full of s**t.
In all seriousness, I personally disapprove of defacing, damaging, or destroying any books, no matter how repugnant; it sets a very bad precedent. And no doubt quite a few Muslim feelings were hurt by this person's actions, just as my feelings would be hurt to see a King James Bible, a Shakespeare's Complete Works, or To Kill a Mockingbird thrown in the john, but unless those books were actually my property, or the property of someone other than the perpetrator, I would know there was nothing I could do about it beyond reporting the offense to building maintainence, not the police. If these Korans were the legal property of the person who threw them in the toilet, why has he been prosecuted for damaging them? Does the concept of property rights no longer exist when it comes to "sensitive" religious material? Has anyone asked that question?
Is it legal to purchase a Quran and feed it to my goat?
Just wondering..
Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA
answers, 1. yes, but it will give the goat a terrible case of gas, and goat farts are the worst, so be sure you leave it outdoors for a day or two after feeding it.
2. yes, but then you can't have it for dinner (just like having sex with a goat; it's o.k. but then you can't eat it), but you can sell it to someone else for their dinner
3. no, because the goat would think it had become a messenger of Allah, and who knows what that might bring. After all, look what happened when the angel "fed" the Koran to Mohammed.
I think profitsbeard is right--a better lawyer would have beaten this thing and made Mr. Scmulevich appear the victim.
The attorney could have spent hours in court reading what the Quran says about non-muslims. That's enough to make anyone toss that thing where crap belongs.
Mr. Schmulevich needs to get a new lawyer and appeal this now.
That ain't nothin'...
Wait till it comes out in two-ply.
I tend to agree on this one. His reckless action polluted those toilets. They will have to be cleaned out now to safely hold less offensive material such as feces and vomit.
Does that make it official, do we now have our own Mutaween now?
Keep in mind that there are laws against using the sewer system to dispose of Toxic-waste or foul substances that can cause brian damage or fits of rage and possible suicide from paranoia and voices in the head .
BTW , the video of a Puppy Falling for the Marine was actually what they call a "Puppy-shove" .
I fed that Quran to my goat;
Look what happened
It’s true “you are what you eat”
Any one want a Goat?
http://www.hismin.com/images/goat2.jpg
koran covered in feces--a most appropriate image. and that is why even mentioning that a war is being fought against moslems, could bring down on one such stalwart "defenders of the faith" as New York City Detective Faisal Khan, who could come and collar one for-what is it?--ah yes, "criminal mischief as a hate crime."
The Religious Police is well and about in Bloomberg's New York City, a multiculti circus of no surprises.
What to do? Grin and bear it? Or think about how to rid ourselves of koran-wielders in official positions.
Is this a joke? Convicted for throwing a BOOK in the toilet? That is extremely disturbing.
Where are the convictions for islamofascists burning the cross and demanding murder?
This is the most stupid, ignorant and downright dangerous thing I have ever heard. It is effectively giving islam supremacy over non-muslims. You will now go to jail for throwing a BOOK in the toilet.
What next, a law against saying you don't believe what the koran says? That sounds like a joke but it is no different from convicting someone of the crime of THROWING A BOOK IN THE TOILET.
We have all been sold out.
We should all go buy a koran and throw it in a toilet to stand up for free speech. It's the only way to bring this madness to an end.
I bet the ACLU would have defended his right to destroy the Bible and everything else that is seen as “Christian” , yet they don’t make a peep about this.
A = Anti
C = Christian
L = Lawyers ( dime a dozen )
U = Unit
"Still, one wonders what would have happened if he had thrown a Bible into the toilet. Probably he would have gotten some kind of award from the Pace Art Department." -- Robert
Isn't that the truth!