So apparently if we all agree to ignore it, it will go away.
"A call for respect and calm," by Jorge Sampaio, UN High Representative for the Alliance of Civilizations:
At the core of this situation is a trend towards extremism in many of our societies. We should indeed beware of overemphasizing it, because extremism anywhere is extremism everywhere, thanks to new media technologies. Few people think of themselves as extremists, but many can be pushed towards an extreme point of view, almost without noticing it, when they feel that the behavior or language of others is extreme.We therefore deeply regret this offensive film.
The truth is offensive. Confront it.
Yes, just as if we had ignored Hitler he would leave Europe alone. Hitler signed treaties with Russia and then invaded. muslims will lie to your face telling you they are peaceful and then stab you in the back or blow you up.
A lot of you readers must be horrified at the genocide of hundreds of millions of Infidels since the founding of Islam.
On the behalf of the founder of Islam Mohammed, I apologize.
The above is the equivalent of Sampaio apologizing for Wilders
"Please stop talking about the bad things I do - it only makes everyone hate me!"
"You don' stop talkin' about da tings I do, I breaka you face!"
I say, LET'S GET OUT OF THE UN! Leave it to the Muslim-occupied nations. Let's form a new organization, one which represents the values of the Enlightenment, of Freedom of Speech, of Freedom of the Press, of Freedom of Religion, of Representative Government, of Absolutely Equal Rights for Women.
NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THIS!
Don't miss this chance, West!
So it's no longer to be implied, but now it's something to be openly proclaimed in the West:
When we notice the fact, when we mention the fact, when we detest the fact, when we resist and fight the fact that Muslims are slaughtering, callling for genocide, behaeding, and subverting our society, our mere mentioning, our mere noticiing, our mere deploring, and our mere resisting is identical to the slaughter, genocide, beheading, and subverting of the Muslims. Check.
People: Academia Dhimmi Alert!
Please read and provide your opinion of their summer reading book selection:
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University selects graphic novel for summer reading
'Persepolis' portrays life in 1970s Iran
Angelle Barbazon
Issue date: 3/28/08 Section: News
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Incoming freshmen will be drawn together with 2008's Summer Reading Program selection, a graphic novel titled "The Complete Persepolis" by Marjane Satrapi.
"Persepolis" is Satrapi's memoir, in which she tells the story of her life growing up during Iran's political and social revolution. She watches her world change around her just as she enters college.
"It's a very different choice from what we've done in the past," said Sarah Liggett, English professor and Student Reading Program committee chairperson. "It's a focus on the Middle East, which is certainly very much in the news today, and it's the first summer reading selection to be created by a woman. You see not only what she felt in the words, but you see it in the pictures."
A committee of more than 20 faculty and students began meeting weekly in September to discuss potential books for the Summer Reading Program. The group sifted through more than 200 books before choosing "Persepolis."
"It's not an easy decision because you're choosing a book for both faculty and students," Liggett said. "You're choosing it for a wide variety of readers, so it's never without controversy."
Arman Sheybani, biology senior and committee member, said he is particularly interested in the novel because his parents are Iranian.
"My parents talk about the same abrupt shift in society and how all of the sudden the government was cracking down on things that were just really commonplace," he said.
Sheybani said he enjoyed reading the book because it provides a distinct perspective about Middle Eastern culture.
"It's something that is commonly misunderstood in our country," he said.
Laura Mullen, English professor and committee member, said she is impressed with Satrapi's delivers of strong emotions through clean lines paired with black and white drawings.
"She does really interesting things with framing," Mullen said. "She uses a lot of texture. The work is just moving, really."
Liggett said she was easily hooked on the book.
"One reason we chose this book was because it was a different genre," she said. "And I think that's part of reading in college and learning to read different texts. Some people might say you don't really need help to read a comic book, but this is much much more than that."
Jan Edwards, English senior, said she had never heard of "Persepolis" before joining the committee but said many students may appreciate the book's simple format and gripping content.
"I didn't expect myself to relate so well to the main character because it's set about 30 years ago, and it is in a country really far away that I've never been to," she said. "I was surprised about how much I cared about the character, especially in the part where she first enters the university."
Mullen said the marriage of text and visual elements will attract students to the book.
"We're all of the Internet now," she said. "We never get a word without an image going with it, so in fact I think this is the direction of our future reading comprehension. It will include both visual literacy and verbal literacy."
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Contact Angelle Barbazon at abarbazon@lsureveille.com
Sometimes an extreme view or opinion is necessary in order to get the job done; Sometimes intolerance needs to be countered with intolerance.
If we had not taken an extreme/intolerant stance towards the Nazis, then we'd have lost WW2.
Just like now, if we do not take an extreme/intolerant stance towards Islamization, then Western civilization will be lost.
This pacifist ideology of 'never having an extreme view, because any kind of extremism is bad', will make us weak in the face of those who do adopt extremism.
The fact that the UN has adopted this pacifist ideology of [non-extremism and non-intolerance, at all costs], shows that the UN is weak and useless, in the face of this Islamic ideology, which desires to dominate us all, at any cost.
The Sign of the Times
These are dark and desperate times
and there seems to be no reason or rhymes
that can change the minds of the dhimmis
as they bow before the Mohammedans
who’ve come to strike terror in their hearts
nd enslave them in their own homelands.
the poetess
Islam: stop me before I kill again.
darcy:''Incoming freshmen will be drawn together with 2008's Summer Reading Program selection, a graphic novel titled "The Complete Persepolis" by Marjane Satrapi.''
In a symbolic gesture, which conclusively ended the Greco-Persian wars, Alexander of Macedon burnt the palace of Persepolis in 330BC
2338 years later ... ''Persepolis'' may well be razed to the ground again to prevent a latter-day Persian 'emperor-despot' from fomenting another global conflict. But not by drunken soldiery this time. They will be clear-headed, hi-tech and will do so from a distance.
I would like to hear these apologists explain in very specific terms what they objected to in Wilders film.
Which specific scenes in this film reflected hate by Wilders? Was it the preaching by those Imans,clerics, or Sheikes? Was it the banners that said "God Bless Hitler"? Was it the signs carried that said " kill the infidels" Was it the videos That showed the beheading of an infidel? Was it the airliners crashing into the twin towers on 9-11? was it the ripped apart buses, and subways in downtown London? Was it the explosions on the train in Spain? Etc.
Please tell me dhimmi apologists what was it that Geert Wilders himself actually did in the video that expressed hate towards Muslims.
In the name God were is the condemnation of what we see in this video that is perpetrated by Muslims not infidels?
Oh that's right, I almost forgot your suppose to kill the messenger so that Muslims won't get the idea that you now know; ---shall we say;things about them?
We are soooo sorry, Muslims. Can we lower our heads so you can "smite our necks with (your) swords"?
Where is Patrick Henry when we need him?
"Mullen said the marriage of text and visual elements [in Satrapi's "Persepolis"] will attract students to the book."
-- froma a posting above
Of course. Akin to the audio-visual English courses said to be given at Berkeley High School, where students can watch movies of "Hamlet" as a supplement to, or possibly substitute for, boring old reading of boring old Shakespeare's boring old words in his boring old play "Hamlet."
The existence, and popularity, of "Maus," "Persepolis," and other such efforts both recognize, and further, the retreat from the word.
"Attract students to the book" -- yes, by not making too-heavy demands on them. Texts, unrelieved by pictures, are unlikely to please modern students, Three decades ago that sober all-text of Morison & Commager's "Growth of the American Republic" gave way to textbooks full of graphs and charts and pictures. That was representative of what has been happening in the textbook industry. Nor is it merely an American phenomenon. In France, La litterature bede -- from "bande dessinee" -- is all the rage, as a way of making, for the intended audience of the young and the restless, the history of France accessible, by giving it the comic-book treatment. And in "Persepolis" one has the history of the old regime in Iran, and then the one that replaced it, all in pictures, like a Spanish telenovela.
Yet how wedded to text Iranians used to be. I am now flipping through another book with the same title -- "Persepolis" -- this one not a novel about the Islamic Republic of Iran but a guidebook to the Takht-i-Jamshid museum, was published in 1975 by the Musavi Printing Office in Shiraz. Written by one "Ali-Sami" and translated by "The Reverend R. Sharp, M. A. Cantab" this guide contains, by way of illustration, only three or four dim photographs of kingly or noble heads in relief.
The word is in retreat, being pushed to the side. Does it matter? Not to many. But it is depressing to think that "Persepolis" was chosen apparently as much for its audiovisual manner as for its matter.
If, as a way of introducing students to the Nazi murders, a course syllabus contained "Maus" rather than any of the scholarly works, by Raul Hilberg or Lucy Davidowicz, would that constitute a useful and intelligent recognition of what students are like today? Would it be a way to make this subject accessible, or would it merely pander to the apparent need of students today to have works assigned that make few demands on them, texts that are less verbal than audiovisual, because that is what the students have grown up with, what they are used to, by way of stimulation, sport, and pastime.
Some subjects do not lend themselves to coverage by picture-book, telenovela, or cartoon. The Nazi murders is one such subject. The destruction wrought in Iran by the Islamic Republic is surely another.
Jorge Sampaio? De portuguese guy?!! Oh no no no no no!
Where is the call for "respect" when Muslims are killing, raping and enslaving Jews, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists? Where was jorge Sampaio then?
He makes us portuguese to be ashamed. But then again, since he is a socialist, that might explains a lot.
I believe Lord Chamberlain thought he could appease Hitler and claim they have peace in our time funny thing about that because of his cowardiceand his ignoring Hitler's extremism millions died or you can have the same thing happened in a battle with the new version fascism that radical Islam seems to be pushing for and its elimination of our freedom of speech freedom of religion and all the other Judeo-Christian values that built our civilization or are we going to let the new Lord Chamberlain's get us into a war that will turn nuclear because don't forget one Islamic nation Pakistan has atomic weapons and don't think if bin Laden or those of his ilk got a hold of Pakistan's nuclear weapons they would not use it in the West or against the nation they consider the great Satan the USA or the little Satans Great Britain and the state of Israel
A propos of Hugh's posting:
Along with 'Persepolis' the college should have set V S Naipaul's 'Among the Believers' and 'Beyond Belief' and directed students to the sections, in both books, that discuss the condition of Persia in the immediate aftermath of Khomeini and then some years later.
Oriana Fallaci's description of her encounter with Khomeini might also have made for some piquant reading.
What else would you have recommended, Hugh? (BTW - are you alluding to Jacques Ellul, La Parole Humiliee? - the point you are making about the 'retreat from the word' was Ellul's constant theme for many years.)
You see it's extremes that are the problem.
And of course extremes are always bad.
Like extreme health, extreme beauty, extreme intelligence, extreme integrity ... you get my point.
Feebs from dweebs.
This moron couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag.
Can't comment on 'Persepolis' but would have thought Azar Nafisi's 'Reading Lolita in Tehran' would have made an excellent option, given the nature of the course.
Elsewhere she has written:
"Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa against Salman Rushdie years later did not represent a divide between Islam and the West, as some claimed. It was a reaction to the dangers posed by a thriving individual imagination on totalitarian mindsets, which cannot tolerate any form of irony, ambiguity, and irreverence. As Carlos Fuentes stated, the ayatollah had issued a fatwa not just against a writer but also against the democratic form of the novel, which frames a multiplicity of voices - from different and at times opposing perspectives - in a critical exchange where one voice does not destroy and eliminate another. What more dangerous subversion than this democracy of voices? And in that sense, America's extraordinary literary heritage kept reminding me, throughout those years, how heavily genuine democracy depends on what we might call a democratic imagination.
"But according to the 'guardians of morality' in the Islamic Republic, books such as 'Lolita' or 'Madame Bovary' were morally corrupt; they set wretched examples for the readers, motivating them to commit immoral acts. Like all totalitarians, they could not differentiate between reality and imagination, so they attempted to impose their own version of truth upon both life and fiction."
"So apparently if we all agree to ignore it, it will go away." --Robert
I used to think that too. Wishful thinking!
It's not only Islam that is the source of the extremism - it is also the UN and extreme-leftist organization which force their populations to disarm in the face of confrontation.
Islam is at war with the West, and our democratic organizations are demanding that we disarm. In the face of intimidation, violence and rejection of our democratic values we should aparently put down the only tools which can defend us and hold out our hands in peace...
The Orhodox Greeks living in Turkey tried this only 100 years ago - and got their hands severed, their churches burned and their culture crushed. The result, as ever, was more Islam.
The UN is at least as great a theat to democracy and freedom as Islam is. Both seem committed to the destruction of democracy - and they both seem to be working well together in order to achieve this.
At the core of this situation is a trend towards extremism in many of our societies. We should indeed beware of overemphasizing it...
I agree, however suicide bombers are intended to catch our attention in a dramatic way, which they do very well.
...because extremism anywhere is extremism everywhere, thanks to new media technologies.
I agree, we should destroy any jihadi ideology communication capabilities to the extent possible, without corrupting the communications network.
Few people think of themselves as extremists, but many can be pushed towards an extreme point of view, almost without noticing it, when they feel that the behavior or language of others is extreme.
I know exactly what you mean. Keep your politics, your law, and your killers out of the West and we will have no reason to feel extreme.
We therefore deeply regret this offensive film.
That has to be one of the silliest statements I've ever read.
01/04/08
As a Hindu from India, the Westerners should appreciate the difficulties in managing 200 million muslims amongst us for over 1000 years. We have managed them and here are a few suggestions:
> Go back to Christianity and the Church. It is a good religion and it is worth defending. Defending Christianity is better slogan than defending an abstract like freedom of speech, democracy etc.
> Throw out the socialist scoundrels from politics and the left lunatics from the academics
> Force the Conserve Party to become Christianity supporting party; it is unlikely that the Church will exert any undue influence in the government and it is a an issue that can be remedied.
> Scrap the welfare pay outs except for the aged. Welfare only encourages the unproductives and undesirables.
> Make extradition easy and it should be for the entire family; the convict will be jailed say for a period of five years but the family will be thrown out immediately on conviction
> Influence the judiciary, by fair and foul means, to give tougher decisions.
> The police force should be brainwashed against muslims and should use violent methods to control. In India the police does and people brush aside the resultant Islamic jingoism.
> The Conservative party should accept national security as the main plank
> Re-install death penalty
> Once in five years there should be riots in which thousands of muslims will be killed. Sounds barbaric; the alternative is being consumed by barbarism. In India we retaliate and it is called constructive response.
> Separate them physically in secluded areas; that is better than to permit them to live in all areas, which they will contaminate. They will never assimilate and do not attempt at it.
> Stop muslim immigration and substitute with Hindu labour; they are law abiding and will integrate admirably well. Hindus are the second richest and most highly educated minority in USA. There is a not a single case of a Hindu being profiled for wrong reasons.
> Teach the children to hate the muslims; they any way are doing the same thing.
> Follow the Hindu way of life; live life and accept death as inevitable; live for the children and for their future. Sex is only a side attraction and wealth is only incidental.
> Consign all the human rights character to Saudi Arabia; tell them human lives are more important than human rights
> Get out of EU and preserve your right to protect your country and its culture
> In India we have a main stream political party for protecting the majority rights; create a similar one, since otherwise the secular fanatics will abandon the majority