Tiny Minority of Extremists™ Update: "Arabs find issue of religious extremism exaggerated: poll," from Gulf Times (thanks to all who sent this in):
A YOUGOV poll commissioned by the Doha Debates has concluded that nearly one-third of all Arabs believe that Saudi Arabia is at greater risk from religious extremism than any other country in the world.
Correction: Saudi Arabia is most likely state to create religious extremism in other countries.
The poll adds weight to the vote at a session of the Doha Debates held on March 3 in Doha, where the motion “This house believes that Muslims are failing to combat extremism”, was carried by more than 70% of the audience.In the YouGov survey, nearly half of all Arabs in the Gulf, Levant and North Africa said they have met someone who holds extreme religious views.
Asked under what conditions violence is permissible, more than 60% cited Western interference in a Muslim country, while 55% said offensive words or behaviour was a trigger.
More than half the respondents also believed that poor religious leadership is to blame for today’s extremism – although seven out of 10 said the size of the problem had been exaggerated....
Okay, now you're just talkin' cuh-razy, Robert.
Not.
...you have just entered 99% of the Twilight Zone.
1% is reserved as an exit clause....because you'll need it!
They remind me of bullies. They not only print cartoons of Jews, Bush, anything about the USA, etc and they are unable to take their own medicine. This sounds like a school yard fist fight.
Oh excuse me, for a muslim it means not only a good beating, but also killing, rape, theft, chaos, riots, etc.
I think we should keep up the good work and make sure that muslims expose themselves to everyone. But, one problem is that the regular media - and even Fox news most times - don't report on what is happening so the majority of people don't have a clue as to what is happening. I make sure my little audience knows what is going on - but it is still rather limited in numbers.
Did they asked 940 men....or Did they ask 1880 women and say that since you need two women to make up one man....all I know is that they are all 100% nuts!
Lets do our own survey:
1-What percentage think they are nuts?
2-What percentage really cares how offended they get by words...didn't they ever hear of sticks and stones will break your bones(oh wait yes they have since they stone people) but names will never hurt you?...unless you are insulting the moongod and his lost children.......
3-What percentage think deportation is a good cure?
4-internment camps while waiting for deportation?
More evidence that Muslims are the most bigoted and violent religion in the world.
The common denominator is Islam is easily taken to extremism. The conclusion then would be that this is NOT a religion of peace.
I think the western countries should place a medical quarantine around all immigrants from muslim cultures. It's obvious that they are collectively one gigantic “mental health issue” if violence is the answer to being "offended". And it seems to be contagious. If they had the h5n1 bird flu we certainly would place them in quarantine or forbid entry into the country, yes? I think this mental defect with a propensity to violence is even more dangerous.
Don't they just love violence. A bomb here, a bomb there, I mean lets just go on a bombing spree, that will certainly calm the mind. After that some mass protests around the world and chanting of death to the great Satan USA, death to freedom etc. After which chanting Allah Ho Akbar! After a long day--a good nights sleep with Satan on the top part of the nose. Just a typical day.
Some day the world will get so fed up that some outside power will sieze their oil, and then the Muslims won't have the money to buy weapons. One result will be that these polls won't be taken because nobody will care what they think.
Indeed jewdog. War reparations don't you know. Now their governments dance on a knife edge. They do not do as we have requested, and reign in the crazies, but instead allow plots to be hatched and financed. I asked my new predictive divination device the following question...
"If anything bad happens over here will there be hell to pay with no politician daring to stand in the way of the people's righteous anger."
The reply received by my nabificness, and now revealed to you at absolutely no cost or obligation, was "signs point to yes".
nabi ZK
I just found this yesterday and it looks interesting.
The Skeptic's Annotated Quran
I was just thinking that if Islam continues to gain traction among African-Americans, its message of hatred and violence will undo all of MLK's good works, and race relations will be set back. It's already happening. Those Rev Wright sermons are Islamic, not Christian, in tone.
55% say it's OK in response to "offensive words"
Oh Geez, I feel so much better. I mean...what's the margin of error on the poll? 5% maybe? I mean like the majority of Muslims might actually be peaceful. I mean, like, did anybody think to do an actual poll of Germans during WW2? Like maybe they didn't all support Hitler? We should have been fighting a war against maybe Germanic fascism or something, and like not against the German people? We should have been, like, more sensitive to their cultural need to feel superiority, maybe. Like maybe they were just trying to expand and become a more multicultural society by embracing the ethnic groups of other countries? If others had been more open and receptive, like...maybe we wouldn't have MADE them use tanks. Like, mmmm, we like MAKE Muslims be violent by like criticizing and insulting them. But I actually am tired of being called a kafir and an infidel pig. And, like, people say it's not a religion of peace? Go figure.
The Arab rulers continue to spread an ideology that requires those same rulers to be destroyed.
I'm 100% offended by Islam - but I'm not rioting in the streets because of it.
"Asked under what conditions violence is permissible, ... 55% said offensive words or behaviour was a trigger."
Well, then, is their opinion is that if *they* engage in offensive words or behavior it's permissible for *us* to use violence on *them*?
Pilgrim,
>Well, then, is their opinion is that if *they* >engage in offensive words or behavior it's >permissible for *us* to use violence on *them*?
no, there is no symmetry in the eyes of Islam. You, as a non-bliever are therefor a second class human, or an Untermensch as the NAZIs would call you.
You don't have reciprocal rights. They can say that they will kill you since they are following the will of Allah, and the UN is also fine with that becaused Muslims are practicing their faith of peace.
Now if you want to point out that you are unhappy with that then you are guitly of hate crimes - the UN, CAIR and moderate Musilims will be after you in their own charming way.
I won't be happy until 100% of the global population of non-Muslims agree that Islam should be neutered to the point of irrelevance against us non-muslims in terms of violence, I know, a guy can dream.
There, I think that comment should stand.
Think.
"Tiny Minority of Extremists™"
Not sure when you trademarked this Robert but nice, wry touch!
Objecting to the Freedom of Speech and Expression?
Muslims reactionaries and clergies rhetoric shown in the anti Quran and Islam movie; ‘Fitna’ is nothing but a retaliatory verbosity of a weak, defenceless victims of aggression and their subjugation by the oppressors.
To insist on the freedom of speech and screen even movies like ‘Fitna’ or earlier publishing of disgusting cartoons to under mine the religious sentiments as well as the religion of many millions – the Islam; These actions are being claimed to be ‘close to heart phenomena’ of so called free world to mark the right of ‘freedom of speech and expression’; but why to object freedom of speech in Islamic World; where some Islamist clergies are seen urging others in order to break the shackles of their oppressors and free their homeland and their subjugated people?
The so called inflammatory rhetoric of clergies, after all is their way of exercising their right of ‘freedom of speech and expressions’… to press for their cause which they see as nobler than any thing else!
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Love for all, Hatred for None
Ladies and gentlemen
I see the mad hatter is here again, busy with turnspeak.
He claims the mad imams who featured in 'Fitna', and Mahmud Ahmadinejad are merely striving against 'oppression', poor dears, in order to free their 'homelands'...Funny: some of them seemed to be declaring, very loudly, a vision of Total World Domination - their intention of conquering, in the name of Islam, other people's countries, e.g. Britain and America. Mr Ahmadinejad was very definite about it.
I think the Muslim definition of 'liberation' must be that of the thief who 'liberates' the chicken from his neighbour's henhouse.
Islam is violent. Freedom comes with breaking the shackles of Islam. Being chained to Islam with it's senseless hatred for most of the people on the planet is not a normal human trait. Mohammad left Muslims with a lousy burden to bear, considering that most of the rulings "revealed" to him were for his own gratification.
Luckily, I am a happy Infidel.
A Khokar As a Muslim, you have the order wrong.
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Love for None, Hatred for all.
If these protesters are so upset about free speech. Then they should have no qualms when we tell them to STF up. Right?
We need someone to draw and publish some really gross cartoons featuring bin laden, and al zawahiri, and the various other notorious terrorists.
Why? Because the "mainstream moderate" muslims would be just as violently aggressive about that, as they have been about the motoons and fitna.
And we need the public to see them kicking and screaming and threatening slaughter and butchery on TV, in defence of convicted terrorists.
Fitna isn't encouraging murder, rape, stoning and a myriad of other extra-cirricular activities that your clerics and imams preach and encourage your ummah to do, Khokar, you putz. And anyway ,why do you guys get so upset at critical analysis of your religion? If Islam was worth its weight in veracity you wouldn't have to defend it. It would stand on its own. But alas you guys know deep down inside that the violent, murderous nature of your religion can and never will be accepted by non-muslims. And by the way it is your own muslim governments who economically oppress your ummah.
While the Occupation of Arab Lands is on!
I bear repeating it here that it is observed that the local skirmishes and wars are fought mainly on three issues like women, wealth and land; the international wars may stem from the insatiable, covetous greed of the oppressors. In pursuance of the greed, the assailants coerce, subjugate and oppress the targeted nations to deprive them of their lands and siphon up their economic resources; like the one we see in Middle East; where inhabitants are deprived of the lands and usage of its resources and they are driven off forcibly from their own home lands on very flimsy pretexts.
The current Middle Eastern occupations after invasion of sovereign nations like Iraq and later the war in Afghanistan; oppressors forces are in physical occupations of Arab lands and they are all out in subjugation, coercion and forcing the inhabitants to shed their sovereignty and forsake their rights on their mineral resources. We also find that Arabs natives are virtually defenceless and with no arms or potent arsenals to defend themselves and fight back. The natives also find that their oppressors are all out; not only to defeat them and ‘grab-n-siphon out’ their land resources like gas and oil but also are bent upon hijacking and targeting their ideology and faith—Islam which bears God’s latest commandments issued through Quran-e- karim. The oppressors and their allies also want to see this religion go down defeated, maligned and for good. This is two prongs invasion in operation; a double whammy, an attack on lands as well as on Muslim faith. ‘Fitna’ movie of Geert wilders is one of the examples; where a deceitful effort has been made to depict ‘Islam and Quran’ pitched against the life found in the west…so called the free world.
Armed forces of any country are meant to defend their land. All the soldiers they know well that their lands and their Borders; may these be physical or the ideological borders; these borders always take the toll of their lives and demand a spillage of blood of their patriots to keep these borders in tact.
The oppressors can easily be checked at borders or driven out, if the inhabitants have the ability to fight back in equal coins; provided they are equip themselves with reasonable potent forces and other lethal deterring arsenals and are able to stage counter tactical attacks. The weak nations have no dignity and no place to stand in the eyes of the World.
The humans are born free and bear a natural instinct to fight back for their freedom; they fight back always and under all the circumstances. The Armed Forces may surrender ( as in Iraq)and people might have been forced to bow their heads but the mind …it may never bow! The next chain action is bound to starts and underground forces get gather to fight back; more vehemently to free their Home land. The oppressors should be ready to face these tunes.
In the situation like this it may not be difficult to understand that when lucrative Arab lands are target of oppressors and oppressors forces are all out to grab, annex and bring the Arab lands along with the inhabitants; subjugated into their folds. To fight back is the right of natives; feeble and destitute or armless they may be (that they are restricted to possess potent defensive arms) but they are not mindless. To retrieve their honour, dignity and home lands; they have learnt it well and witnessed that; “a right sting by the little dog fly at a right place can spin even the ferocious terrier bull dog.”
The Arabs natives may be blamed resorting to some terrifying activities and tactics but this all is in retaliation of onslaught of aggression of foreign forces to compel the oppressors to take a heed and leave them alone. Religion has got very less or nothing to do with this!
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Love for all, Hatred for None
Oho - so A Khokar thinks that 'Afghanistan' is ARAB land???
Perhaps he should try explaining that to the Pathans, Pashtu, Dari, Hazara and Baluchi? I understand they got pretty cranky when FOREIGN Arab jihadis started throwing their weight around and looking down their noses at all them dirty not-quite-so-good Muslims of non-Arab ancestry.
Let's have a think about the black 'bad Muslims' in Darfur who are being butchered en masse by the arrogant 'Arabised' Muslims of the north. Sudanese Muslims flee to Egypt and then get p***ed off when Egyptian 'Arabs' (whose ancestors were probably Copts, brainwashed into becoming Arab-Muslims) call them ABEED, 'blackslave, nigger!'.
Mad hattery. Mad hattery. Note the sly inference that the evil JOOZ are 'occupying' 'Arab' lands (never mind that Jews lived in eretz Israel, and Egypt, and Morocco, and Algeria, and Yemen, and ARABIA, Syria, Mesopotamia and Persia, for centuries and centuries before Mohammed Ha-Meshugga [may his name be erased forever] was even born!, centuries before the evil armies yowling 'allahu akhbar' ever invaded and ruined those lands).
Jerusalem is an Arab city the way Lhasa is a Chinese city. Eretz Israel, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Sudan, and all of North Africa are 'Arab' land exactly as much as Tibet is 'Chinese', i.e., historically, ethnically, culturally, not at all, except by brutal, violent, cruel invasion, conquest and occupation. Jewish exiles had as much right to return, once they had the resources to do so, and boot out the occupiers, as the Spanish and Greeks had in THEIR countries; and as the Tibetans would, had they the resources.
For that matter: Persia belongs to Persians NOT ARABS. The sooner they get their heads free of Arab Muslim brainwashing, quit grovelling in the direction of Mecca and idolising a 7th century Arab sand pirate, and return to Zoroastrian, Christian or some other human-friendly belief system, the better for them.
The poor deluded Turks swallowed Islam, the Arab Imperial Religion, the Cult of War and Plunder, and became a murderous curse upon the face of the earth - among other things, in the 20th century they systematically murdered ONE MILLION Armenians, whose native homeland they [the Turks] had invaded and occupied.
A Khokar - since your heart bleeds for the 'occupied' peoples, perhaps you can spare a tear for the Armenians - was not the genocide of the Armenians an unjust act by a colonial invader/ occupier? The Spaniards, the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Sicilians, they too, were invaded and occupied by Muslims, their native lands overrun and robbed and spoiled - would you not agree they had a right to resist? Would you not applaud their fight for freedom?
The Christians of Iraq - Assyrian/ Chaldeans - are the indigenous inhabitans of Iraq, who have been virtually exterminated by the Arab Muslim (and other Muslim) invaders and occupiers over many centuries. How about the ASSYRIAN CHRISTIAN right to resist?
ISLAM IS THE ARAB IMPERIAL RELIGION.
ARABS ARE EVIL IMPERIALIST INVADERS.
DOWN WITH THE EMPIRE OF ISLAM!!!
A Khokhar - pray do tell, what did the indigenous Indian inhabitants of Sindh, and the rest of India, ever do to ARABS - all the way across on the other side of the indian ocean, and on the other side of thousands of miles of desert and mountain - that the Arab Muslim invaders (and then, later on, equally brainwashed Persian converts to Islam) should invade their shores, kill them by the hundreds of thousands, and rape their women and enslave them? Oh I forgot, the native Hindu Indians were wicked infidels illegally 'occupying' lands that were supposed to belong to 'allah' the Arab war god, and those invading, rapin', lootin', gloatin' slavetakin' Arab armies were pure, holy innocent martyrs 'resisting oppression'...*spit!*
You live in a glass house mate. Quit throwing stones.
The victim card just won't play, here on the jihadwatch comments floor. We know too much.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, a reality check: let's contemplate, from 'Fitna' itself, translated into English, some of the Qur'an texts, and some of the actual words of various modern Muslim preachers, and Muslim political demonstrators, and a speech from the President of a Muslim country.
A Khokar has tried to argue that all those poor, poor, people, those preaching imams and Muslim protestors and Muslim president featured in 'Fitna', were merely raging against 'occupiers' of their homelands, that all they want is 'freedom' for Afghanistan, Mesopotamia, etc. Rubbish.
The Quran verses are open-ended, universal in scope. The preachers in 'Fitna' do not sound at all like people who only want to get somebody out of their own particular little bit of dirt: and then stop. They sound like people who are very, very eager to steal OTHER PEOPLE'S patches of dirt - and don't care how many of those other people they kill in the process.
Here goes (blessings on those who transcribed the script of 'Fitna' so it could be easily quoted).
1. Quran Surah 8, verse 60
Prepare for them [Unbelievers] whatever force and cavalry ye are capable of gathering.
To strike terror
To strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah [A K - I know that 'enemies of allah' = ANYONE ANYWHERE who refuses to become a Muslim] and your enemies.
2. Imam preaching (in a Muslim country):
"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy when non-Muslims get killed.
Annihilate the infidels and the polytheists.
Your (Allah’s) enemies and the enemies of the religion.
Allah, count them and kill them to the last one, and don’t leave even one".
('Love for all, hatred for none', eh, A K? but...Allah is happy when we Infidels are killed...? ).
3. Imam preaching:
"If Allah permits us, oh Nation of Mohammed [ = all Muslims everywhere in the world]
"Even the stone will say, “Oh Muslim,
A Jew is hiding behind me, come and cut off his head." [this is a verse from the Hadith]
And we shall cut off his head!
By Allah, we shall cut it off! Oh, Jews!
Allahu Akbar! (Allah is great!)
Jihad for the sake of Allah!
Jihad for the sake of Allah!
Victory to Allah!
Allahu Akbar! (Allah is great!)
- Another Muslim preacher:
"The Jews are Jews.
T hey are the ones who must be butchered and killed".
Muslims with signs - “Be prepared for the real HOLOCAUST”, “God bless Hitler” .
Gee, they just want their FREEEEDOM, poor, poor little Muslims, poor little innocent lambs, that's why they're salivating at the idea of killing all Jews everywhere?
Another open-ended verse clearly commanding aggression against non-Muslims:
Quran Surah 47 Verse 4
Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers,
Smite at their necks and when ye have caused a bloodbath among them
Bind a bond firmly on them".
A verse clearly commanding world conquest by war:
Quran Surah 8, verse 39
"Fight them [non-Muslims] until there is no dissension
And the religion is entirely Allah’s. "
An imam preaches:
"Islam is a religion that wants to rule the world.
It has done so before and eventually will rule it again".
Video clip: “Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President [of] Iran”
Ahmadinejad says: “The message of the (Islamic) Revolution is global,
And is not restricted to a specific place or time.
Have no doubt… Allah willing, Islam will conquer what?
It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world.”
ALL the mountaintops of the world? The Andes? The Himalaya? The Rockies? The Alps? Persia doesn't contain all the mountains of the world; neither does Arabia, or even the 'arabised/ islamised' world. So if Ahmadinejad expects Muslims to conquer ALL the mountaintops, he is talking about world conquest - which means INVADING OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMELANDS.
Another Muslim preacher declaims:
"We have ruled the world before,
And by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again!
"The day will come when we will rule America.
"The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world!
"Allah commanded us to spread this religion worldwide.
"You will take over the USA! You will take over the UK!
"You will take over Europe!
"You will defeat them all! You will get victory!
"You will take over Egypt! We trust in Allah!
And, from another Muslim demonstration, signs reading:
Sign: “Islam will dominate the world”
Sign: “Freedom go to Hell”
Seems to me that when someone says "we will rule Britain AND THE ENTIRE WORLD", or makes a poster saying 'Islam will dominate the world' he is not talking about liberating his little homeland - he is talking like Hitler did, he is planning to trample all over someone ELSE'S homeland.
The entire history of Islamic expansion is one of unprovoked, violent, treacherous aggression against and/or infiltration-deception-subversion of non-Muslim nations and peoples; continually pushing, pushing, pushing, threatening, tricking, stealing...and killing, killing on such a vast scale, and so systematically, that one does begin to wonder whether the killing is not merely a brutal means to an end [conquest], but Islam's very raison-d'etre. Deep inside the labyrinth, is Islam in fact about human sacrifice? - with Infidels (especially Jews), and the 'bad' Muslims, and 'bad women', as the permitted victims?
John Quincy Adams said it all, over 100 years ago:
"He [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.
'The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective.
''The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force."
Sounds almost as though John Quincy Adams had read Ibn Ishaq's life of the 'prophet' -
Ishaq: 204 - “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”
dumbledoresarmy,
Nice reality check. Thanks.
To A Khokar,
You repeatedly invoke the ideas of Love and Peace. Since you go out of your way to preach the superiority of Islam over Christianity, then you must be aware that Love and Peace are the dominant concepts underlying Christianity. It sounds to me like there might be a Christian spirit inside you just waiting for the right opportunity to blossom forth. Keep searching and start listening to that small voice inside you. Eventually you'll get it.