They had Qur'an and Hadith? So what? It's not illegal to have Qur'an and Hadith. And in fact, the BBC story here doesn't say that that's what they had. But in fact, much of the incendiary material referred to in this article, albeit unattributed here, comes from Qur'an and Hadith -- a fact that, of course, neither the BBC nor the British legal establishment has any desire to acknowledge or examine as to its implications.
"Plot accused 'had jihad papers,'" from BBC News (thanks to Twostellas):
Material supporting jihad and martyrdom operations was found at the home of a man accused of plotting to blow up aircraft, a court has heard.One document found at Abdulla Ahmed Ali's flat in Walthamstow, east London, said no deed would give "rewards" like an act of jihad, jurors were told.
Hmmm. Who could have said such a thing? Could it have been, let's see...maybe the Islamic prophet Muhammad?
"A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).' He replied, 'I do not find such a deed.'" -- Bukhari 4.52.44
Another said defeating the enemy meant striking "terror into their hearts", Woolwich Crown Court heard.
Now who could have said a thing like that? Could it have come from...let's see...maybe the Qur'an?
"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies..." -- Qur'an 8:60
Eight men deny conspiring to murder and endangering planes in August 2006.They are accused of planning to detonate home-made bombs disguised as soft drinks on several transatlantic flights.
'Psychology of war'
The court was shown photographs of the six-day search at the home of Mr Ali, 27, on 9 August 2006.
Jurors were told police found papers containing passages relating to jihad [holy war], martyrdom, references to the kuffar [non-believers] and achieving jannah [paradise].
One read: "No deed is better than jihad and no deed will give you such rewards and rectify you."
That's based on Muhammad's statement above.
Another said: "The psychology of war is that you can defeat your enemy if you take away that which they love the most and strike terror into their hearts."With martyrdom operations they achieve that as the most beloved thing is life and wealth. When your enemy is not scared to die it scares you."
Other material, including books on the life of the Prophet Mohammed, a guide on disabled access to sites in London, a chemistry textbook and banking documents, was also found, prosecutors said.
Not, of course, the "Islamic prophet Mohammed." Just "the Prophet Mohammed."
"One document found at Abdulla Ahmed Ali's flat in Walthamstow, east London, said no deed would give "rewards" like an act of jihad, jurors were told."
They're using the word "jihad!" Does Condi know about this?!
Memo from President Bush
re: the Holy Koran
It has occurred to me that misunderstanding the Holy Koran happens all too frequently. It seems that regardless of muslim denomination, or race, or nationality, or locale, muslim adherents quote the Holy Koran to justify acts of violence against those they consider infidels. Since I am the Decider and a Man of Action, I am announcing today a new initiative. We in the English-speaking lands have all heard of the King James Version of the bible. Well, I'm going to create a King George Version of the Holy Koran, and it will solve this recurring problem of misunderstanding the Holy Koran and the Prophet Mohammad. It will retain those verses that I've quoted over the years to show that Islam is a religion of peace: "There is no compulsion in religion;" "To kill one man is to kill all of humanity;" and so on. But it will drop those verses that throughout the world & throughout the entire time that Islam has existed evidently have caused so much misunderstanding, to the great detriment of those poor infidels who have had the misfortune to be in the way.I am confident that if we can get a copy of the King George Version of the Holy Koran into the hands of every jihadist (er, make that overzealous muslim), all this violence will stop.
Sadly, the Labour Party is too dependent upon Muslim votes in inner cities to really produce any strategy of substance.
-Adrian Morgan
http://islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan/Britain-Homegrown-Terrorists.htm
Muslims aren't the only ones voting for Labour. Why does Labour win elections? Are the Tories and the Liberal Democrats THAT BAD? Can Britain be any worse off under their tutelage?
As the saying goes: people in a democracy get the government they deserve.
From article: It's not illegal to have Qur'an and Hadith.
Not yet, but we are working on it.
One of the benefits of reading JW/DW and comments over time, is developing the ability to spot vague or not so vague references to Quran, or hadith, and taqiyya. I call this word magick or word trickery.
The way to get over being tricked is to get over being tricked, which is exactly what is happening here. When the tricks disappear, and you did not pass out from sheer relief, enlightenment occurs.
Enlightenment about Islam means, 'I got your number'.
If you don't have Islam's number yet, keep reading JW/DW, it will soon 'dawn' on you. When it 'dawns' on muslims, they apostate...
Other material, including books on the life of the Prophet Mohammed, a guide on disabled access to sites in London . . .
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It is, of course, not possible to be sure of the significance of this last document. After the man pushing a disabled person who blew themselves up in Iraq, however, it might be important. (of course, in this case, it is not known if the disabled person was in on the bombing plot, or a victim of it).
A person in a wheelchair cannot go through a metal detector, and they tend, of course, to be searched less thoroughly than others. The very bulkiness of the chair, and the seated position of the user, make hiding explosives an easier matter.
More than this, though, is psychology. Even a bellicose person in a wheelchair is simply not regarded as a threat by most people.
And, of course, there is no guarantee that a person is a wheelchair is really disabled at all. This is not something the average security guard would be able to determine. In addition, here in the West, we tend to regard the aged and disabled with concern rather than suspicion.
Once again, jihadists could use our own decency against us.
>>a chemistry textbook
Why would they need that? sarc/on
The BBC have received countless emails from me on the matter of denial Islamic Terrorism.
It is a total disgrace. I am disgusted at the dumbing down of BBC. A once internationally trusted source of information is acting like an appeaser for the Islamists.
If they were all wearing England Football shirts they would be called football hooligans. If they were wearing Black Panther t-shirts they would be Black Panthers. If they claimed to be in the IRA/UDA/ETA/ etc, etc. It would be reported.
But if they are Islamic dressed, Islamic obsessed, making video's claiming the actions are for Islam there is never any mention of the Islamic word.
Who do the BBc think pays the licence fee. It is not your benefit assisted Terrorists.
I like that Mr. Spencer writes: " the Islamic prophet Mohammed" because I never enjoyed reading the Prophet Mohammed (it always made me queasy).
Let me try to go one better and suggest the following:
..."the self-proclaimed Islamic prophet, Mohammed,..."
The phrase is cumbersome but accurate.
Angus,
Al Bebeeceera is totally infiltrated by the soldiers of Allah...
"Jurors were told police found papers containing passages relating to jihad [holy war], martyrdom, references to the kuffar [non-believers] and achieving jannah [paradise]."
well guess what!...many terrorists and suspected terrorists arrested over the past several years has very similiar papers and books in their possession...
this dot goes here...to this dot...to this dot...to this dot....
BOING! THE Bell just went off and the lightbulb lit up!...by George! the fat lady exclaimed...this has an Islamic connection..
and the fat lady is seldom wrong...