Apostasy punishable by death, says top Islamic scholar in Maldives

A couple of days ago the New York Times published a piece by Edward Luttwak, wondering if President Barack Obama would face rage in the Muslim world for being an apostate from Islam -- I posted about it here.

I disagree with Luttwak on two points. First, it isn't clear that Obama is an apostate at all, according to the stipulations of Islamic law. If he left Islam before puberty, or was never a professing Muslim at all (despite his school registration), the death penalty wouldn't apply. Also, as I explained here well over a year ago, it is much more likely that Obama's Muslim background will make him a hero, not a pariah, in the Islamic world -- and in the intervening year that has indeed proven to be the case.

But Luttwak was entirely correct in stating that "with few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress..." Predictably enough, however, this brought him the ire of the enlightened. Ingrid Mattson of the unindicted co-conspirator ISNA scolded him self-righteously in the New York Times letters section (thanks to Twostellas): "Like the Jewish legal tradition, Islamic law is a conversation represented in dynamic and diverse schools of thought. Edward N. Luttwak speaks of an essentialized Islamic law that does not exist." Another Times letter-writer warned that "it would be wiser to allow the global Muslim community to arrive at its own consensus as to his status, rather than follow the dire prediction of an outsider interpreting Islamic law." And the unblinkingly dishonest Ali Eteraz chided Luttwak (whose name he consistently misspelled) at HuffPo for being among the "fake experts" who "do not understand Islam." He didn't come out and say that the schools of Islamic law do not mandate death for apostates (although he veered close to doing so at his blog), but he quibbled that Luttwak was unaware that only the state authority could carry out the death sentence. Technically, that's true, although since the schools of Islamic law also stipulate that there is no punishment for killing an apostate, it isn't as if a vigilante who decided to administer the death penalty to an apostate of his own accord would find himself in a heap of trouble in a Sharia state.

Anyway, confirmation that Luttwak is correct comes today from the Maldives. An Islamic cleric, heedless of all this Obama controversy and indifferent to or unaware of the practice of Islamic apologists in the West (after all, he is way out in the Maldives) of denying the existence of the elements of Islam that make non-Muslims feel uncomfortable, has blandly reaffirmed that Sharia calls for the death of apostates. Watch for Ingrid Mattson to scold him for speaking of "an essentialized Islamic law that does not exist." Watch for Ali Eteraz to call him a "fake expert."

But don't watch too closely. In this case it will be as it always is: when Muslims speak this way, their moderate Western brethren say nothing. Their ire is reserved for the non-Muslims who dare to quote people like Sheikh Abdul Majeed Abdul Bari. Eteraz or Mattson or Omer Subhani or some enlightened soul will probably rake me over the coals for this very post soon enough.

"Apostasy Punishable By Death: Top Adhaalath Scholar," by Judith Evans in Minivan News, May 13 (thanks to Arabiguitar):

The leader of the religious Adhaalath party scholars’ council has said he advocates the death penalty for those who convert from Islam to another religion, as well as amputation of hands for certain types of theft.

In an interview with Minivan News, Sheikh Abdul Majeed Abdul Bari emphasised the need for “advice” and correct legal procedures before the death penalty is implemented, but said Shari’ah law ultimately requires the killing of those who leave Islam.

Majeed was also a member of the government’s Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs until he resigned at the start of May under the Civil Service Act, which forbids civil servants to engage in political activity. [...]

Apostates – those who leave the Islamic religion – “must not be punished by the public,” Majeed said, and must initially be offered “advice, and the opportunity to come back to Islam again”.

If the individual concerned fails to return to Islam, he said, “correct legal procedures” must then be followed.

And he emphasises the scholarly debate over punishments for apostasy – also citing the example of the Prophet’s life, during which no apostates were punished with death. But, Majeed adds, this was arguably because converts to different religions fled to other areas.

Majeed also cites Surah 2, verse 256 of the Qur’an, which states that “there is no compulsion in religion.” And he highlights the issue of munafiq – those who pretend to have faith, but do not – who must in practice be treated as Muslims.

But despite this, he says, apostasy is one of three offences that must be punished by death, along with adultery (by those already married) and murder.

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Asked whether Maldivian law is currently in keeping with Shari’ah, Majeed is definite: it is not.

As an example, he cites the crime of theft. Under the current legislative system, he says, burglary, mugging – theft with an element of direct threat – and stealing via fraud are all similarly classified.

But “in Islamic Shari’ah, they are three different things,” he says. The punishment for theft, in the sense of burglary – where the victim of the theft is not present – must be “cutting the hand”, though certain other conditions also apply.

For instance, the stolen object must be “valuable”. And theft made necessary by the thief’s “hunger” is exempt.

“Conflicts in society” result from the current legal system, he believes. “There would be peace if the country was practising Islamic Shari’ah.”...

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“Conflicts in society” result from the current legal system, he believes. “There would be peace if the country was practising Islamic Shari’ah.”...

Man, if I could dry this one out and sell it for $1/lb, I'd could retire right now a very wealthy man.

Just to show how really ______________ these people are. (You fill in your own best descriptor.)

University of Pennsylvania law professors need to get busy then to include the death penalty for apostasy in their Shari'a codification.

The question isn't whether Obama is a Muslim or not. The question is, just how wrong-headed is he in his views of what Islam is, and if it poses a danger to the rest of us?

If he is one of those "islam is a peaceful religion" appologist, then he might as well be a Muslim.

A President opperating under that delusion is bound to out-manuevered by Jihadists, both here and abroad.

I can easily see Obama trying to prove what a good guy he is by negotiating with the Iranians, and all the while the Iranians going full speed ahead developing nuclear weapons.

A president doesn't have to be a Muslim to put us in danger, all he has to do do is live in that great twilight that reality doesn't penetrate.

We really don't know what Obama's views on Islam are, do we? But after spending 20 years worshiping in a church that glorifies the anti-semite, Louis Farrakhan, as a hero, and Western civilization as the enemy of all right-thing people, we'd better better get real about what we're dealing with in Obama.

But despite this, he says, apostasy is one of three offences that must be punished by death, along with adultery (by those already married) and murder.

This means that NO Muslim can be an American. He doesn't believe in freedom of religion. He will not accept the right of others to practice their religion as they see fit.

Those "Muslims" that think this man is wrong need to speak up. Their silence is deafening.

Obama may still be a Muslim or at least have a lot of sympathy for them.

Here is a quote from a recent interview with Nicholas Kristof:
"Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer(the Adhan), reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”"

Not bahasa but Arabic.

The fact that he recited the Shahada to Kristof isn't a good sign period.

No wonder Hamas likes him.

No wonder one his advisers had extensive contacts with the group either. He was booted after it became public though.

According to one of his teachers in Indonesia Tine Hahiyary said Barry actively took part in "mengaji" (Arabic recitation of the Quran)"

In a nutshell "mengaji" classes aren't for moderate Muslims but for fundamentalists who are dead serious about Islam. Remember when Barry was in Indonesia, it was still much more tolerant place unlike today.

And Trinity? Well Wright is a former NOI member and pushes Black Liberation Theology and is good friends with Farrakhan to this day. Also practicing Muslims are welcomed at Trinity.

Doubt the latter? call up pretending to be a Muslim and ask.

P.S. do a google on Cone, Black Liberation theology and Wright if you want to find out more.

Farr-a-con to succeed Rice at State? At least it would get him out of the country more often. Our taxes paying for him to trot all over the known Muslim world.

What place in Gov. would Obama have for Wright?

Obama may or may not be a de facto "Muslim".

But he is certainly a Moron.

Which is disqualification enough to any office above Alderman.

From the article: “Conflicts in society” result from the current legal system, he believes. “There would be peace if the country was practising Islamic Shari’ah.”...

For a reality check, read V S Naipaul, "Among the Believers", late 1970s, as he describes the dismal results of the attempt to impose sharia - most advanced in Persia, somewhat less so in Pakistan, just getting under way in some circles in Malaysia and Indonesia. Or reflect upon the pol-pot-style downward spiral of Afghanistan under the Taliban, both before the US invasion and now, alas, afterwards, with sharia enshrined in the constitution.

Because, somehow, one is never quite pure enough, never Islamic enough. Sharia is imposed, and enforced; and everything collapses; but instead of deciding it's not working, they try harder...and things get worse, so they try even harder.

Results? - anything *but* what any other human cultural group would recognise as 'peace'. A state of terror, violence, ever-increasing DISorder, and human misery in abundance.