Australia: Spurned Islamic school sponsors resort to blackmail: Give us our school, or "You may have some very extreme imams or religious teachers getting through to the children."

For those who've not read it, here is the .pdf of the report outlining the reasoning against the proposal.

http://www.camden.nsw.gov.au/files/business_papers/ord_270508_ord_01.pdf

Sorry for my lack of formatting skills.

L.Drummond.

If that link doesn't work, try this one:
http://www.camden.nsw.gov.au/files/2008_minutes/ord_270508_ord_01_mins.pdf

L/Drummond

Just like in Europe and in America they are following their pattern of establishing a ***PRESENCE*** in the most remote and secluded of "infidel" neighborhoods.

RESISTANCE is OUR WAY OF LIFE from now on!!!!!

We KNOW the strategy!!

islam seeking to penetrate the most remote corners and free enclaves left in this GLOBALIZED and at the same time all-too accessible parts of the FREE WORLD!!!!

Once they have US they have the WORLD!!

WE are ALL there IS!!

RESISTANCE is NATURAL [LAW]!!

Never give up the FIGHT!!!

Where are they getting $19 million from, in the first place?"

"The decision] is hysteria based on fear and misunderstanding. If it was a Catholic, Anglican or Jewish school there would be no objection," Jeremy Bingham told SMH.

Oh yeah? Perhaps some of the residents of Camden are acting not out of misunderstanding, but out of UNDERSTANDING, and that is why they are angry and, for good and sufficient reasons, suspicious.

Perhaps, since the 'Quranic Society' is setting up the school, some of the good citizens of Camden decided to READ the Qur'an - and got the shock of their lives when they read Surah 9.

Perhaps some of them have even seen 'Fitna' - or 'Islam: What the West Needs to Know'.

Perhaps some of them are Anglicans, and heard Bishop Patrick Sookhdeo speak, or Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, or have read their books. Perhaps some of them, Anglican or Catholic, have befriended Sudanese Christian refugees and heard heart-rending stories of what is done to peaceful Christian villagers by Muslim men with guns howling ecstatically, 'allahu akbar!'

And, therefore, they know in their bones that an Islamic 'religious' school simply will NOT be, cannot be, the same kind of thing as, for example, a Catholic or Anglican school, a Jewish yeshiva, a Buddhist monastery, a Hindu ashram, or a Taoist temple.

For the benefit of any Sydneysider, any curious resident of Camden who, wandering through the web in search of information about Islam, may have stumbled across this site, I commend this link, to an Arab American ex-Muslim (now Christian) Nonie Darwish, giving a speech in which, among other things, she explains what she was taught at school in Muslim-dominated Egypt and in Muslim-dominated Gaza, and what kind of prayers were offered in the mosques she frequented during her childhood and her youth -I quote:

"We regularly heard the cursing of non-Muslims from the pulpits of mosques.
"As a young woman, I [Nonie] visited a Christian friend in Cairo during the Friday prayers, and we both heard the verbal attacks on Christians and Jews from the loudspeakers.
"We heard "May God destroy the infidels and the Jews, the enemies of God. We are not to befriend them or make treaties with them."
"We also heard the worshipers respond "Amen".
" I heard ‘cursing prayers’ all my life from the pulpits of mosques -- and believe it or not if you grow up with cursing prayers, it can feel and sound normal".

http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=17069DA6-6C04-4E06-81C7-010C9F29AD55

Perhaps the good citizens of Camden suspect that this Islamic School, with its 1200 pupils (and I am sure it is intended to grow in size) would not be a benign 'St Scholastica's, but something rather more like a training and indoctrination establishment for the Hitler Jugend.

There is NOTHING to say that this school will not, behind closed doors, be teaching its students from prep onwards the vilest antisemitism, and an attitude of sheer contempt toward all non-Muslims, coupled with a determination to do them down, "for Islam is to dominate, and not be dominated" [Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood].

Now who, during World War Two, would have countenanced the establishment of a school, anywhere within Britain, the USA, Canada or Australia, in which the students would have daily lessons devoted to memorising chapters of 'Mein Kampf'?

"Where are they getting $19 million from, in the first place?"

Saudia Arabia?...

Muslims are always quick with the "or else" tripe.

"You may have some very extreme imams or religious teachers getting through to the children."

Where are the deportation papers when you need them?

Exactly!
The real issue is where does the money come from. Australia is pretty much energy independent and should not be kow towing to foreigners with Muslims beliefs. Which is based on the teachings demands intimidation wars slaughters of a false prophet

Another objection to this school is if allowed you will see a steady movement of Muslims families to be near the school. Australian natives will be crowded out of their neighborhood by Muslims with even more demands for accommodation and demands for more mosques.

"Give us permission for mosque building otherwise extremists imams will take over conducting clandestine services"

Then before you know it the muezzin call to prayer will be heard five times per day. I'm jewish but have never been bothered by church bells. Mostly I like it. But the muezzin wailing is an affront since this "faith"is based on violence and conquest. The call to prayer expands the realm of Islam and is designed to brainwash infidels and Muslims alike

Note, from the article, that Camden is:

"the birthplace of the Australian wool, wheat and WINE industries".

What are Muslims doing attempting to plant a colony in the middle of a wine-growing district?

What are Australians going to do when they work out that the Muslims do not merely refrain from drinking wine themselves, but intend to seize power and then FORCE teetotalling on everybody else, like it or not, by violence and killing if nothing else will do? Haven't Australian soldiers brought home any horrible stories out of Iraq - Muslim jihadis killing a Christian merely because he was selling alcohol?

There is a magnificent word that entered Australian English during, I think, the late 19th century - WOWSER.

It refers to a spoilsport, a busybody, an obsessively and excessively puritanical person, the kind of person who cannot stand other people having fun (especially fun of the sort that involves wine, beer, or the opposite sex) and tries to stop them.

And now, swarming in Australia, pushing in everywhere, we have a whole lot of arrogant, violent and deceitful WOWSERS - called Muslims.

Maybe it is the "birthplace" of wine making in Australia, but there is no wine making today there.

I do agree that if this went ahead, over time the character of the area would change dramatically and for the worse.

What next? Head further south to Picton?

The project's consultant, former Mayor of Sydney and lawyer, Jeremy Bingham told the SMH from London: "There's a vocal group of local residents who are very opposed to this school because of the religious beliefs of the Australian citizens who want to establish the school. That's not the Australian way and it's not the Australian law."

One more swinish hireling in the vast army of such hirelings, all over the Western world.

Some of them have been Saudi agents for years, in Washington. Some of them work for the Kuwaits in London. Some now make the case for Dubai, or for Quatar. Some, even while supposedly working for the American taxpayers as American diplomats, arrange for vast sums to be transferred to the "Palestinians" and then, immediately afterwards, resign from the State Department and go to work, with fabulous salaries, as agents of those same "Palestinians" -- see Abington, and make his name, and his history, a household word.

But don't forget Fred Dutton, the former Kennedy apparatchik who went to work as the first public-relations director for the Saudis. Don't forget Raymond Close, the C.I.A. station chief in Riyadh from 1970 to 1977 (a critical period, the period of the 1973 oil price rise), and then resigned in order to go into business with two well-placed Saudis, and has been involved with BCCI, and many louche activities, ever since, though he has with impunity been publishing -- and lecturing -- from his eyrie in Princeton, dispensing foreign policy advice that appears identical to what some Saudi Ministry of Propaganda would put out.

Don't forget James Akins, the American ambassador to Saudi Arabia during that same critical period, and how he has made his living, as a "business consultant," ever since. Don't forget all the other former ambassadors -- such as the one who serves as the editor for one of those Saudi-financed propaganda magazines sent free to every library in America. Don't forget Eugene Bird, whose phony "Council for the American Interest" is an Arab-financed anti-Israel operastion, able to buy whole pages in The Times (and don't forget his wife, Mrs. Bird -- you can google her at Jihad Watch). Don't forget James Baker, and Brent Scowcroft, and Henry Kissinger, and all the others who after their "public service" is over, when they return to the goddam "private sector" and primly decide that they now have to make "real money" sell to the highest foreign bidders their "expertise" which means -- who they know, and what they can slily do because of what they know about the levers of power, and how to use their influence for those foreign, oftne malign clients.

Don't forget, all over the Western world, those who, like the lawyer cited above, if well-paid will do anything at all, will help promote the slow islamization of our societies, some of them doing it for the money, others for the money and an eager belief -- perhaps they manage to convince themselves -- that any opposition to these mosques and madrasas (often paid for by the oil states) spreading as part of the demographic conquest that, if not halted, will lead to a loss of human freedom, and the free and skeptical inquiry that makes science possible, and the freedom of artistic expression, not confined to calligraphy or mosque architecture by the strictures of Islam, and so much else.

I don't know if Jeremy Bingham is merely a fool, or doing it for the money, or can be explained by reference to both. Perhaps there are those, between Botany Bay and Alice Springs who will write in and explain.

At long last there are those who, having grasped the threat that Islam poses, though without necessarily knowing the full meaning of those texts and tenets and attitudes of Islam, have had an instinctive intelligent reaction to this unprecedented threat. And because it is a new kind of threat -- a threat where a political and even geopolitical ideology, a Total Belief-System that, if it were not unthinkingly described as a "religion," would be seen as a dangerous mass cult, it may be that what Jeremy Graham unctuoulsy calls "the Australian way and not the Australian law" are insufficient to deal with the sitatuation. But Islam, or rather the Shari'a, whose imposition Muslims must work towards as a central duty (the Jihad is to remove all obstacles to the spread and dominance of Islam, not necessarily through military means if other means exist), flatly contradicts, in letter and spirit, that very "Australian way" and that very "Australian law" that Jeremy Graham invokes.

And if the current laws -- in Australia or in Great Britain or in France -- are insufficient to protect the legal and political institutions, and social arrangements, developed over slow time by many who then left a civilizational legacy that must be protected, if it cannot be added to, by its present possessors -- then the laws must be changed to meet, adequeately, the task -- terrifying and terrible -- at hand.

Look around. Look only, if you live in Australia, or Canada, or the United States, at what has been happening, over the past few decades, in The Netherlands, in France, in Great Britian, all over Western Europe, and do what you must now -- a little Miltonic "methinks I see a puissant nation" rousing itself would not be out of place -- before things become, as inexorably they will -- far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous, to us, the Infidels, within our own lands, thanks in part to all the piously profit-taking jeremy-binghams of this world.

Let's see. 150 Muslim families want to build a A$19 million school. That means each family must intend to contribute A$126,667. Right??? Wonder what kind of jobs these families have that they can support an average of 8 kids (1200 pupils from 150 families) and still cough up over 100 grand -- not including tuition costs once the school is operating.

Hmm. Somehow, the numbers looks suspect to me.

Yea, right.

Red herring alert! As if muslims would ever submit to have any of their imams vetted by infidels. Ever.

And, I'm with Ummah Gummah, way up there at the top... surrender is not an option.

Infidels need to be giving their own "or elses."

Let's see. 150 Muslim families want to build a A$19 million school. That means each family must intend to contribute A$126,667. Right???"

In Billerica, Massachusetts, a not-very-prosperous town, a $15 million dollars mosque was built a few years ago, for fewer than 100 Musliim families. Meanwhile, all over the Diocese of Boston, Catholic churches -- some with thousands of members -- have been closing because they cannot afford to stay open.

Where did that $15 million come from? Where does it come from, for Muslims all over the Western world, where mosques, some of them very elaborate, are going up, sometimes their very size intended clearly to impress, and that imposing size meant to draw in not only the faithful, but those who might ooh-and-aaah (especially in neighborhoods with the poor, or immigrants) over this display of magnificence.

Think of Muslims as they think of themselves, as a community of Believers, whose sole loyalty must be to other Muslims and to Islam, and who must, in whatever Infidel country they manage to end up, to work for the spread, and dominance, of Islam. Muslim immigrants do not need to scrimp and save. They have, instantaneously, buildings provided for them by the rich Muslims who, back in Saudi Arabia or the sheikdoms, are wallowing in surpluses of more than a trillion dollars, and who of course have been, are, and will always be spending some of that money -- by the hundreds of billions -- to spread Islam. What would you expect Believers in Islam to do? And so it is that even Believers who have little earning power, will have provided for them mosques and madrasas. And now, still worse, in their confused reaction, their insufficient understanding, Western governments, having grasped that there is something deeply wrong, something deeply threaetening, have chosen to believe that the problem is not with Islam but, rather, with "extremists" who fund these mosques, so that if only the mosque funding can be done by the Infidel nation-states, then all kinds of things will improve. This is madness. It is not government-funded mosuqes that should be provided, but rather, any funding from outside that should be stopped, and the ability of Muslims to establish their outposts, and expand them inexorably into larger and larger settlements, from which they may continue to reap all the benefits that generous and advanced Western states -- entirely the product of Infidels -- may provide, while they work, as of course they naturally would wish to do so, to protect from scrutiny, to defend from attack, Islam and Muslims, and meanwhile to work, ceaselessly, for ever-increasing numbers of Muslims, for Islam has always spread on the clear understanding -- an understanding that turns out to be true -- that demography, mostly, is destiny.

It is we, the Infidel victims of Islam, who refuse to see things aright, retreating into wilful ignorance and self-satisfied, but increasingly hollow, pieties about "diversity" and all the other still-worshipped Idols of the Age.

"It bears repeating that Camden is on the outer edges of the Sydney metropolitan area, and, as noted above, only has 150 Muslim families."

If the 'Land and Environment Court' overturns the expressed will of the people, then expect 150 Muslim families to grow exponentially.

"You may have some very extreme imams or religious teachers getting through to the children."
Are they admitting that they themselves are in all reality "Extreme" or that there are "Extreme" Imans in the country?

"[The decision] is hysteria based on fear and misunderstanding. If it was a Catholic, Anglican or Jewish school there would be no objection," Bingham told SMH. [...]

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The 800 Lb. Gorilla is that: Catholics, Anglicans, and Jews aren't the ones committing violent acts against the West and have stated their desire to replace our various govermental systems with Sharia law.

"...only 150 Muslim families..."

Considering their root intolerant ideology, 150 too many already.

MR SPENCER HAVE YOU SEEN WORLD NET DAILY TODAY I SUGGEST YOU READ THE PART ON TEACHING THE KIDS IN A TEXAS SCHOOLON ISLAM BY CAIR THOUGH THEY NOT MUSLIM AND THE PART ON OUR CHILDRENS TEXT BOOKS TEACHING NOT ONLY ABOUT ISLAM BUT RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE OF IT IF YOU COULD ENLIGHTEN US ON THIS.

MR SPENCER HAVE YOU SEEN WORLD NET DAILY TODAY I SUGGEST YOU READ THE PART ON TEACHING THE KIDS IN A TEXAS SCHOOLON ISLAM BY CAIR THOUGH THEY NOT MUSLIM AND THE PART ON OUR CHILDRENS TEXT BOOKS TEACHING NOT ONLY ABOUT ISLAM BUT RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE OF IT IF YOU COULD ENLIGHTEN US ON THIS.

posted by Hugh

Where did that $15 million come from? Where does it come from, for Muslims all over the Western world, where mosques, some of them very elaborate, are going up, sometimes their very size intended clearly to impress, and that imposing size meant to draw in not only the faithful, but those who might ooh-and-aaah (especially in neighborhoods with the poor, or immigrants) over this display of magnificence.

Unfortunately the $15 million comes from us the Infidel. We who are paying the Saudis/Opec through oil to colonise, propagandise and indoctrinate the Western World. All this aided by the Kissingers / Bakers and all the other useful idiots.

Lets hope, no pray, that Dr Randy Mills is onto something.

If he is, the only thing the Saudis will be exporting are egg timers.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/

First off, I live in Sydney and it is becoming more common seeing these Muslim vermin everywhere you go, they say they want to integrate but that's a blatant lie, these pests are everywhere and I fear they may outbreed us and so become powerful.
If they want to integrate why not send their children to local schools?
They just want to get their way, just because they are 'Muslim' as if thats special, frankly I hope people and governments wake up and stop importing this vermin into our western countries. Islam is incompatible with our values and a threat to freedom.
The will of a whole town versus some 250 brainwashed lunatics? I hope The Land and Environmenal Court rebuffs these idiots again.
How many "NO's" does it take to make them understand?
They accuse us of being 'racist' because we won't allow their school, but would Saudi Arabia allow us to build a Christian church in their territory? I fear the consequences if this school goes ahead...

I have already posted this on an earlier thread to do with this topic, but it is worth repeating.

There is a Muslim advocacy/ spin organisation called FAIR (Forum on Australian Islamic Relations) which has been poking its nose into the Camden affair.

Here is something about FAIR, that I found in the jihadwatch dhimmiwatch archives from October 2004.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003439.php

V.E.R.Y interesting.

Note well that FAIR is exposed as:

"a group that refuses to condemn Osama bin Laden and spreads vile anti-Semitism and loony 9/11 conspiracy theories".

From the article:

"FAIR ...runs on its website articles vilifying Jews and Americans - and none more foul than a vomit by an American loon, John Kaminski, who claims American and Korean hostages beheaded by Islamist terrorists were in fact killed by "mercenaries who draw their paychecks from the subterranean murder bureau run by the United States Central Intelligence Agency, Israel's Mossad and the hired henchmen of . . . Saudi Arabian royalty".
'Kaminski adds: ". . . This is the same kind of signal that warned so many Jews not to go to work on September 11, 2001, in downtown New York City . . . Americans, totally intimidated and deceived by their Jewish overlords, are the new evil empire, deaf to law, reason and morality."'

Emails and letters to Camden Council and Mayor might profitably refer to this sort of information.

The links to the actual council documents provided by L Drummond above, shows quite clearly that the Council was well within its powers in rejecting the application.

A similar application from a Catholic, Jewish or Callathumpian religious group etc would have also been rejected.

Mr Ikabel Patel is being what he is, when he says that it was all quite legal and should have been approved.

If this is lost on appeal to the higher court it will be because of "other factors".

One final point, if it is true as reported that several muslim families have mortgaged their homes to provide the finance for this project thus far, where is the $15m coming from if its not the Saudi Embassy.

"It bears repeating that Camden is on the outer edges of the Sydney metropolitan area, and, as noted above, only has 150 Muslim families."

Right. Soon to have 1,150 as Mohammed said a woman's job is to "manufacture men." The Demographic Jihad is underway in Australia.

Stop it now. Brava Kate McCulloch of Camden!

WHEN WILL WE WAKE UP?

When will we wake up to this tactic. Or, more importantly, when will our leaders wake up to it? They are being played at every turn. They are truly the useful idiots that existed during the cold war.

Our society is being undermined at every turn and our politicians allow it because of their desire for personal gain.

We are being destroyed. We must fight back. If our leaders won't do it then we must.

Someone on this forum said recently "stick a fork in them they are done", he was referring to the UK. I can understand that. My country is at the forefront of stupidity and appeasement. We live in a socialist nightmare, governed by people who glory in the destruction of British culture. But then I read that the U.S. has its own muttawa, Islamic police who will be patrolling the streets of America enforcing "morals". Groups of muslims enforcing their brand of morals on the streets of America. This cannot be acceptable.

Wake up and smell the sharia!

"How many NO'S does it take to make them understand?"
-Metroplex

"No" equates to opposition which equates to "oppression of islam" which must be overcome,hence the ongoing(till the end of time as we measure it perhaps)power based conflict,need to subjugate others.

Hallelujah for the time being - let's see what happens with the appeal. I notice the school planned to have separate staff rooms for males and females. Doesn't this ring alarm bells with all Australians?

It does when it's made public, Cathkins. We have islamic schools where non-muslim teachers are expected to wear the hijab if female, so it stands to reason that there are already schools with separate facilities for female staff.

L.Drummond

OK so I went out to Camden this morning. Firstly I need to correct my earlier posting. In fact there are a couple of wineries out there.

Camden is a very pretty and historic town, a lot of nice late 19th century architecture in the main streets.

Today (Sunday) there is almost nothing open in Camden, other than the pharmacies, real estate agencies, supermarkets. Was actually nice to see the world taking a breather for just one day a week.

One thing that struck me about Camden was, it is basically a mono ethnic area. There is little evidence (today) of a need for (special) facilities other than what is already there. Any proposal therefore for major new infrastructure has to be planned with a view to providing services for people from outside the area.

It seems to me there are many other areas of Sydney that could benefit from such infrastructure. Why pick this one?

Therefore in my opinion, this development proposal is designed to cause provocation and ensuing victimology. To me it follows the lines of the flying imams. Cause a problem then when it is fixed, cry victim.....

And here is what our failed wannabee Prime Minister from the last but one federal election thinks about the matter: http://camden.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/the-racist-streak/196738.aspx

And they actually put him up as leader?

payingattention

nice to have a report from the ground.

We could always write to the wineries and the pubs and warn them what Islam does to the sellers of wine, if once it gets the ascendancy.

Did you see any churches? Parts of western and northwest Sydney are something of a 'Bible Belt".

I was thinking I might look up the addresses of the major churches in Camden and write polite letters pointing out the folly of defending an ISLAMIC faith-based school, given that the CONTENT of the Islamic faith is so radically different.

Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox school - yes. Jewish school, yes. Buddhist school - yes. HIndu ashram - fine. But NOT a Muslim school, because kids will most assuredly be learning by heart things like the murderous injunctions of Quran Surah 9.

Your questions at the end - I've been wondering. The idea that it's a deliberate provocation is a good one. Perhaps it's a 'raid', so to speak, to test the level of potential resistance.

Also: what are the land prices like? Cheaper to buy land for a 1200 kid school there than in, say, Lakemba or Marrickville?

Or: maybe they're moving there PRECISELY because there aren't many Muslims there...yet. Think ADVANCE COLONY. BEACHHEAD. Camden is such a nice place...a good investment for some Saudi prince.

Alternatively - maybe the Muslims thought they'd be less under scrutiny there than in the more obviously 'Islamised' areas of Sydney. Less far to go to practise jihad skills in the backblocks. Country police...less alert, less wary? (Fat chance).

I hope that in Camden the Muslims have found out that country Australians are just as suspicious and obstinate, just as 'resistant' to Islam, as any bunch of Cronulla rioters.

I should add that country Australians normally possess, and know how to use, firearms. They don't like trespassers - any wannabe jihadi found sneaking about on someone's farm, will be in serious trouble. Country Australians don't like arrogance and know-it-alls. Once they become informed about the real danger from Islam, and learn about taqiyya, and jihad conquest, and sharia, and dhimmitude, they will be as angry as a nest of bulldog ants.

Here's Jeremy Bingham , from the below source talking about the opposition to the Islamic school at Camden late last year.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s2123931.htm

JEREMY BINGHAM: "We haven't got Crusades anymore, this is a country of religious tolerance and ancient history is just that, ancient history."

JEREMY BINGHAM: ....... "We have had this with previous Muslim applications such as the one up at Annangrove a couple of years ago. But it's surprising that some people want to play on the fears and anxieties of others and turn it into something that it's not.I'm astonished that people would feel that it was appropriate to oppose the education of Australian kids."

JEREMY BINGHAM: "They don't seem to appreciate that this proposal is an application by a group of Australian citizens to build a school for their Aussie kids to get a good education, and a school at which they will be allowed, in accordance with our constitution, to follow their own religion. Their religion happens to be Muslim.

But it makes no difference whether they're Muslim or Catholic or Anglican or anything else. And to try to turn this , as a minority seem to be doing, into some kind of anti-Muslim thing is quite inappropriate and quite irrelevant.

The Council will have to determine it on proper planning grounds and I don't believe there are any proper planning grounds to refuse the applications."

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Jeremy Bingham is quite reasonable and correct , how can we limit the rights of one group of Australians solely on the basis of religion? We are a land of laws.If the Development Application is rejected due to planning grounds and this holds on appeal all well and good. But it can only be decided on planning grounds , not on some perceived Islamic threat or even Surah 9. Australia is not the Middle East , we are at peace and have a tolerant harmonious culture of accepting diversity... You say that there is a risk with Muslism assimilation , then our values and cultural underpinnings mean that we should take that risk.

I for one arent going out to buy a gun anytime soon , and I live in Western Sydney and see jilbab's everyday.

sorry 'david', but I cannot agree with you. Some risks are suicidal and I prefer not to take them.

The more I learn about the history of Islam every where and in every era that it has been practised, the less inclined I feel to encourage Australia to 'take the risk' of increasing the proportion of Muslims in our population, nor of permitting them to create any more Islamic Schools. I would hesitate to permit the building of any more mosques.

This school is being established by a 'Quranic Society'.

The Quran is most emphatically NOT the same sort of thing as the Rig Veda, the Bhagavad Gita, the TaNaKh, the Christian Gospels, or the Buddhist scriptures.

Not all religions or ideologies are the same.

The brilliant French sociologist Jacques Ellul, who wrote the seminal book “The Technological Society”, toward the end of his life observed: “There is so much talk nowadays of the ‘tolerance’ and fundamental ‘peacefulness’ of Islam, that it is necessary to recall its nature, which is fundamentally warlike”. He argued, indeed, that Jihad - aggression against non-Muslims - was an INSTITUTION within Islam, rather than an occasional accident; an integral part of the entire Islamic gestalt.

And he noted, speaking as a sociologist, that Islamic history demonstrated an extraordinary, a remarkable, legalistic inflexibility and resistance to change.

On the 10th September 2005 Jyllandsposten, Denmark's largest newspaper, published an article entitled: Islam er den mest krigeriske religion – ‘Islam is the most Warlike religion’. I quote:

'A Danish language researcher has spent over three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, and concludes that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do.

'Four years after the terror attacks at the World Trade Center, Danish linguist Tina Magaard presents an analysis that questions Islam’s relationship with terror, violence and Holy War.

'Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions', concludes Tina Magaard. She has a PhD in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne in Paris, and has spent three years on a research project comparing the original texts of ten religions.

“The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.

'There are also straightforward calls for terror.

'This has long been a taboo in the research into Islam, but it is a fact that we need to deal with," says Tina Magaard.

Moreover, there are hundreds of calls in the Koran for fighting against people of other faiths. “If it is correct that many Muslims view the Koran as the literal words of God, which cannot be interpreted or rephrased, then we have a problem. It is indisputable that the texts encourage terror and violence. Consequently, it must be reasonable to ask Muslims themselves how they relate to the text, if they read it as it is," says Tina Magaard."

There is also the unpleasant little fact that the sacred texts of Islam do not teach the Golden Rule.

This school was to be established by the Quranic Society. Surely it will teach its students the Quran. Well: here's the Qur'an.

Quran 48:29 (the 48th Surah is entitled Al-Fath, ‘Victory’):
“Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another”.

And here is a verse from Ibn Ishaq’s Life of Mohammed, v. 231 - “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”

If modern Muslims take these texts seriously - and a significant number of them do, there is abundant evidence of it - then wherever there is a large number of Muslims, there is going to be trouble for their non-Muslim neighbours, sooner or later.

I have just read four years' worth of jihadwatch archives. I have read a mountain of news stories about the behaviour of Muslims in the USA, in Canada (where a bunch of young men hatched a plot to 'take' Parliament and behead the PM), in the UK, in France, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Scandinavia - all of them countries that prided themselves on their rule of law, just like us; that were at peace (just like us) and - certainly in the Netherlands, and Scandinavia, at least - had a tolerant harmonious culture that accepted diversity (just like us!) - tells me that if our Muslim population keeps increasing, if the mosques and islamic schools multiply, we will find ourselves with no-go zones, and jihad plots hatching left right and centre.

Legally established Islamic schools and legally built mosques, in the UK and USA, institutions that town and city councils cheerfully rubber-stamped, have turned out to be places where the schoolbooks and sermons taught open hatred for all Infidels, especially Jews.

What's to say that, if it wins its appeal, and gets built, this Islamic School built by the Quranic Society, won't do exactly the same?

NOTHING.

I think Bingham is a blind fool. In the name of 'tolerance' and 'diversity' and 'law' he is permitting a school that will be operated by members of a religion that is demonstrably the most intolerant in the world; quite a large number of whose adherents, across the world, express contempt for all Kafir laws, customs and institutions and fully intend to destroy those unclean Kafir things, by any and all means necessary, replacing them with sharia law alone.