Former Saudi Info Minister explains dialogue with Jews and Christians: "You know that the books you have are not the divine gospel and the divine Torah"

There is a great resonse to this argument from the Website of Sons of Apes and Pigs. Christians do not argue that our scriptures have not changed, since they are interpretations of the word of God to men, but also there is ample evidence of many changes of the Koran! so many examples, you can run a truck thorugh this loophole that the Muslim cleric decievers always use!

I think that Former Saudi Minister of Information Muhammad Abduh Al-Yamani has been drinking his own bathwater - again. Anything that comes from the mouths or minds of any former or current muslim big-wig is just pure garbage.

So we had no choice but to declare a “Jihad” that includes dialogue with the other side, and to explain the facts accurately, so they would know what Islam is all about, what the Koran is, and who the Prophet is.

Declare 'Jihad' that includes dialog...so that we would know what Islam is all about...

Sorry, bubba, but WE already know the truth.

How about this monstrous stretch of fiction:

Muhammad Abduh Al-Yamani: It was not Islam that got rid of it. It was caused by the contamination that occurred in this religion. They changed, altered, and distorted their holy books, and Islam came to rectify this. Islam has not changed a thing in the teachings of Moses.

Now my head is really spinning...Must..take...another...tylenol!

"We Tell Christians and Jews in Interfaith Dialogue That Their Holy Books Are Distorted and That We Want to Bring Them Back to the Original Religion" - MEMRI headline

And...

So we had no choice but to declare a “Jihad” that includes dialogue

After the invitation, traditionally, comes warfare.

And it's particularly interesting given the Saudi king's recent overtures toward "interfaith dialogue." More on that here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020449.php

No "religion" that advocates violence, overtly gropes for secular power, and practices the oppression of other faiths whenever it can conveniently do so will ever get a shred of respect from me, no matter how well its mouthpieces rationalize for the cameras. This "minister's" vermiculations don't even pass the laugh test.

Given its acceptance of taqiyya and kitman, Islam cannot be reliably reformed, and no one who has embraced it can ever after be trusted.

Me thinks the Devils hand is involved in all of this. I just had to say that. However, getting back to the subject at hand, it is convenient for them to say that the Bible and the Torah are altered to again reiterate the superiority of Islam. Islam cannot be altered. Therefore the violence that is inherent in it will continue to be propagated, by jihadist who want to get the rewards of allah of 72 virgins or boys.

OT re: Mark Steyn

http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/

" We tell Christians and Jews in interfaith dialogue that their books are distorted.."

Yes..this is a perfect beginning to a successful "interfaith dialogue". Their dialogue is as diplomatic as their semtex evangelism. No thanks assbite, here is your prayer rug back..I'm going to go have a beer..s.

I think it´s good that the words 'So we had no choice but to declare a “Jihad” that includes dialogue' have been noted, and that it´s in no way a denouncement of violence.

But note also the words that it was wrong to attac U.S:

"This group [Al-Qaeda] carried it out, and unlike this group, we do not sanction the killing of any human being, because according to the Koran and the guidance of the Prophet, we are not allowed to harm any dhimmi [non-Muslim living under Muslim rule], as long as there is a covenant between us. We have accepted the blame..."

Is it just me, or are this guy stating that the U.S are dhimmis living under muslim rule? Have he noted something that we haven´t? Since he´s saying that Al-Qaeda is in the wrong because of they are not allowed to harm any dhimmi.

"You know your Allah is a false tribal moon God and your Quran is the rant of a psychopath"? Do you?

Holy book?
From the hadith,
Tabari I:299 "Scholars of the nation of our Prophet say, 'The tree which Allah forbade Adam and his spouse to eat was wheat.'"
Tabari I:321 "When Eve became heavy with her first pregnancy, Satan came to her before she gave birth and said, 'Eve, what is that in your womb?' She said, 'I do not know.' He asked, 'Where will it come out from-your nose, your eye, or your ear?' She replied, 'I do not know.'"
Bukhari:V1B4N163 "The Prophet said, 'Whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do it with an odd number of stones. And whoever wakes up should wash his hands before putting them in the water for ablution. Nobody knows where his hands were during sleep.'"
Tabari II:106 "Allah sent gnats against the Babylonians, and they ate their flesh and drank their blood, and nothing but their bones were left. But Allah gave Nimrod a single gnat which entered his nostril and went on beating the inside of his head with hammers for four hundred years. The most merciful of his friends was he who bunched up his hands and beat Nimrod's head with them."
Yep, that sounds like it makes a lot more sense than the Bible.
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"They changed, altered, and distorted their holy books, and Islam came to rectify this. Islam has not changed a thing in the teachings of Moses."

Where is the evidence for Christian teachings being changed? No serious biblical scholar, believer or not would make such a charge. If its true, as a devote Christian I'd like to know if my books are lies, however there is no scholarly evidence to back up these Islamic claims. There however is good reasons for Mohammad to make these lies up in order to create his own religion.

As for the Torah, the scribal tradition is so strict, that changes rarely are introduced. Most problematic sections are well know, however the general confidence that the Torah represents the true teachings of the Moses tradition is currently unchallenged.

I must admit being really offended by these unfounded claims. I don't might someone making a serious scholarly or historical argument against Christianity. The Lord knows we've been through the fire of serious criticism from Census to Nietzche. But these empty claims against Christianity and Judeism point to an underlying lack of truthfulness on the part of Islam. Sure, they can make truth claims based upon some revelations by Mohammad, but one expect that they might make some serious arguments from history or from the texts themselves. But alas, I don't think Islam is about finding the truth, but rather about imposing a "truth" on humanity.

Can anyone show a link to some serious scholarly arguments that Christianity and Judaism were radically altered. I'm not looking for some of those empty polemical sites which just stupidity. Has anyone really made a serious attempt to assert these claims?

I've had conversations with Muslims who say all sorts of stupid stuff about Christianity. One asked me to show him anywhere in the Bible where Jesus was worshipped. I showed him John 9. There are also lots of other places where Jesus is referred to in divine terms by disciples and he does not correct them. I also pointed out The Letter to the Philippians where Jesus is said to come in the form of God. This is very early Christian literature and within the lifetime of believers like Peter and others. Eye witnesses.

Those interested in a strong argument for the bodily resurrection of Jesus from a historical critical point of view should read Tom Wright's "The resurrection of the son of God." Solid stuff in comparison to this Imam's theological delusions.

Er, uh, Mr. Saudi "Info" Minister...
there are over 20,000 early copies of New Testament manuscripts in existance with only very minor differences in text.

The New Testament was well established long before Mohammed ever "graced" this planet with his violent freak-show.

Only someone very stupid or intellectually blinded by a cult (i.e. Islam) would think the NT has been modified or distorted from its original.

Similar statements can be made for the authenticity of the Jewish Tanakh, evidenced by the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Muhammad was the great ALTER-BOY of all time, because he is the one who altered the Judeo/Christian faith in order to manufacture Islam.

Muhammad the Borrower:
http://debate.org.uk/topics/coolcalm/borrow.html

No Truth in Islam - only smoke 'n mirrors and LOTS of Projecting!

"They changed, altered, and distorted their holy books, and Islam came to rectify this. Islam has not changed a thing in the teachings of Moses."

Where is the evidence for Christian teachings being changed? No serious biblical scholar, believer or not would make such a charge. If its true, as a devote Christian I'd like to know if my books are lies, however there is no scholarly evidence to back up these Islamic claims. There however is good reasons for Mohammad to make these lies up in order to create his own religion.

As for the Torah, the scribal tradition is so strict, that changes rarely are introduced. Most problematic sections are well know, however the general confidence that the Torah represents the true teachings of the Moses tradition is currently unchallenged.

I must admit being really offended by these unfounded claims. I don't might someone making a serious scholarly or historical argument against Christianity. The Lord knows we've been through the fire of serious criticism from Census to Nietzche. But these empty claims against Christianity and Judeism point to an underlying lack of truthfulness on the part of Islam. Sure, they can make truth claims based upon some revelations by Mohammad, but one expect that they might make some serious arguments from history or from the texts themselves. But alas, I don't think Islam is about finding the truth, but rather about imposing a "truth" on humanity.

Can anyone show a link to some serious scholarly arguments that Christianity and Judaism were radically altered. I'm not looking for some of those empty polemical sites which just stupidity. Has anyone really made a serious attempt to assert these claims?

I've had conversations with Muslims who say all sorts of stupid stuff about Christianity. One asked me to show him anywhere in the Bible where Jesus was worshipped. I showed him John 9. There are also lots of other places where Jesus is referred to in divine terms by disciples and he does not correct them. I also pointed out The Letter to the Philippians where Jesus is said to come in the form of God. This is very early Christian literature and within the lifetime of believers like Peter and others. Eye witnesses.

Those interested in a strong argument for the bodily resurrection of Jesus from a historical critical point of view should read Tom Wright's "The resurrection of the son of God." Solid stuff in comparison to this Imam's theological delusions.

MISinformation Minister....seems your bandana is a bit too tight.

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Bukhari:V4B55N585 "'O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was first built on the surface of the earth?' He said, 'The mosque Haram in Mecca.' 'Which was built next?' He replied 'The mosque of Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem.' 'What was the period of construction between the two?' He said, 'Forty years.'"
Bukhari:V9B87N115 "If you spit on the left side of your bed the bad dream will not harm you."
Bukhari:V7B71N673 "Allah's Apostle said, 'If a fly falls in your drink, dip all of it into the cup and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing, an antidote or treatment for that disease.'"
Tabari I:258 "Allah sent Gabriel to the earth to bring Him some clay. The earth said, 'I take refuge in Allah against you mutilating me. Then He sent the angel of death. He took some soil from the earth and made a mixture. He did not take it from a single place but took red, white, and black soil. Therefore, the children of Adam came out different."

There was an attack on the White House? How come CNN and Fox didn't cover it?

This is called 'interfaith dialogue' but all that it is is 'proselitizing'.

Calling a religous meeting for 'dialogue' and then telling the other religions your books aren't s**t and you should come to our religion is not neutral.

I guess the Jews and Christians could have said the Muslims book was s**t but then they would have been killed.

Islam doesn't preach terrorism?

Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been made victorious with terror.'"
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur'an:7:3 "Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them."
Qur'an:33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
Qur'an:3:150 "Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!"

There was an attack on the White House, and Flight 93 was diverted only by the heroic efforts of the passengers into a field in Shanksville, PA.

This former Saudi Information Minister knows what the plan was on that day.

Of course, he will also simultaneously argue that the 9/11 attacks didn't occur (they were just special effects), and the Jooooos did it (the hijackers from Saudi Arabia were innocent victims), and OBL is a great man for bringing the Great Satan to its knees.

Seems like he's never heard of the abrogation of koranic verses. Funny how allah kept needing to correct himself after he got his message wrong the first time. Or maybe Mo was a bit deaf and din't hear him right.

Makes me think that an old proverb needs updating -

"There are lies, damned lies, and...Islam".

Re. the Hebrew scriptures - since StephenDvd mentions the Dead Sea Scrolls (many of which contained copies of Biblical texts) - Jerusalem Post recently ran a story about the complete Isaiah scroll which was probably the most famous of the 'dead sea' finds:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1209627068763&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

There's even a nice picture.

Just in case the link breaks in future, here's part of the article:

'This special installation provides visitors with a rare opportunity to view one of the oldest, most complete, and best preserved of the Dead Sea Scrolls," said James S. Snyder, director of the Israel Museum.'

'"The Isaiah Scroll, with its timeless message of peace, is one of the most important ancient biblical documents ever discovered," he said.'

'The exhibition, fittingly called "Swords into Plowshares," presents the longest sections of the complete Isaiah Scroll: a 2.6-meter-long section comprising chapters 1-28, and a 2.38-meter-long section comprising chapters 44-66.'

And here's some more, with the DATE - 120 BCE, i.e. 120 years before the time of Jesus, and therefore, some 700 years before the invention of 'Islam'.

"The Isaiah Scroll is one of the first seven scrolls discovered in 1947 in a cave near Qumran, on the northwestern shores of the Dead Sea. Of the 220 biblical scrolls found in the area, the complete Great Isaiah Scroll is one of the best preserved and the only one containing an entire biblical book."

"Dating from approximately 120 BCE, it is also one of the oldest Dead Sea Scrolls."

And its text is IDENTICAL with what is found in the book of Isaiah in all copies of the Hebrew scriptures made since that time; and ALSO with the texts used by Christians, right up to the present day.

Furthermore: I have in my possession a newspaper clipping headed "'Pillow of Psalms the world's oldest book', says Egyptologist."

The opening paragraph reads, "Experts say a book bound in wood and leather and laid beneath a child's head more than 1,600 years ago is the earliest complete book of Psalms, and probably the world's oldest book [i.e. codex, not scroll] of any kind."

"We have for the first time a complete Book of Psalms {in translation} DATING FROM THE SECOND HALF OF THE FOURTH CENTURY A.D., making it the oldest complete book of Psalms ever found,' Mr Gawdat Gabra, director of Cairo's Coptic Museum, said today".

It was found in the grave of a Coptic Christian child, a little girl who died aged about 12; under her head her parents placed the Book of Psalms. "A tiny key of life carved from bone was attached to the book by leather threads."

Note well: this codex is three hundred years older than Islam.

Of course, the Psalms in this codex are not in the original Hebrew, but in a Coptic translation from a Greek translation of the Hebrew - thus testifying, of course, to the antiquity of the Hebrew original that underlies both the Greek and the Coptic translations.

My guess is that a comparison of the earliest Hebrew manuscripts of Psalms that survive, with the text of that 1600 year old Coptic translation, would show that neither the Christians who translated it, nor the Jews who copied and recopied the Hebrew Psalms independently, made any significant change to the substance, the content, of the text.

The Muslim claim that the Bible is different from the Qur'an because Jews and Christians 'changed' their Scriptures, is totally a-historical, indeed, it flies in the face of every last tiny little piece of concrete evidence from the ancient Near East and is, frankly, absurd. An anti-truth to end all anti-truths.

The textual scholars, Hebrew, Christian and secular, together with the archaeologists, should be falling about laughing every time they hear a Muslim like this 'Former Information [Disinformation!] Minister' shooting his ugly mouth off.

"We Tell Christians and Jews in Interfaith Dialogue That Their Holy Books Are Distorted and That We Want to Bring Them Back to the Original Religion,"

Any call by Muslims for interfaith dialogue, isn't a call for dialogue at all. It is call for Christian leaders to acknowledge Islam as a devinely inspired religion, a direct heir of Judaism and Christianity.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of Christian clergymen and theologians who are more than happey to be duped into making such an acknowledgement, even if it's just tacit -- all in the interest of better interfaith relations.

The former Saudi Disinformation (following dumbledoresarmy's lead) Minister said

You’ve changed it, and you know that the books you have are not the divine gospel and the divine Torah. You have changed them. You yourselves admit that your books were written by priests and others who altered them. We want to bring you back to the original religion.

Please do go on. This is exactly the "interfaith dialogue" that Christians and Jews should have with Muslims. Let the multi-culti clerics chew on that one for a while. Then move on to the "apes and pigs" verses. And end with a little "slay them wherever you find them" apertif.

Yes, all religions are the same, we all believe the same things, we all pray to the same G*d, we all want the same things, we are all the same. Riiiight.

There was indeed an attack on the White House.

The BRITISH attacked and burnt it down in the War of 1812. No one ever blamed that on Muslims. This guy is just plain paranoid.

This particular dogma of Islam p*sses me off more than any of the other screwy components of this "religion". Of course, obviously, terrorism p*sses me off even more, but I studied Classics and I know what it takes to prove a text has been changed over time and Islam doesn't have a shred of proof for this claim. Regardless of what one thinks of Christianity or Judaism, the integrity of the message they are trying to propogate deserves respect. I spit on Islam for trying to deny this to Jews and Christians.

Calling the Jewish/Christian scriptures corupted?! Well then the Muslim Koran is a forged document, thanks to the Devil.

Also, Mr. Saudi Misinformation:
Have you never wondered why there is such an overwhelming number of Biblical manuscripts with only minor difference, whereas there are NO (count'em... 0) copies of this fictional "undistorted" Bible that Mohammed spoke of.

If such a Bible ever existed, don't you think someone would have discovered at least one copy of it in the last 1400 years that you have been repeating this lie?

I mean, in the process of digging up the 20,000 "distorted" manuscripts, you would have thought those archeologists would have dug up at least one "undistorted" manuscript that would support Mohammeds teachings.

Nada. Zip.

Keep in mind that none of the various heretical "gospels" are complete narratives in the way the true Christian Gospels are. The heretical gospels, such as Gospel of Thomas, are mostly just collections of unconnected miracles and esoteric sayings attributed to Jesus. None of them could serve as an "undistorted" version of the Christian Gospels.

How do you e-mail such a Barbarian?

Anyone know? I'd like to give this imbecile a piece of my Christian mind.

StephenDvd said

If such a Bible ever existed, don't you think someone would have discovered at least one copy of it in the last 1400 years that you have been repeating this lie?

But of course the Crusaders and the Jooooos did find the copies and covered them up; it's all a big anti-Islam conspiracy, yadda yadda yadda.

"we do not sanction the killing of any human being"

Someone get this guy away from the microphone. He doesn't even know his own religion! It praises people who kill!

Then again, how many Arabic words are there for "kill"?

What are blasphemers? Apostates? People who learn there is a better way than Mohammed's way?

Are they animals?

You'd better believe Islam sanctions killing!
Heck, it also sanctions bald-faced deception.

Pathological liars (imams) insist that their late plagiarism (Koran) is more accurate than the two historically-sound records of the earlier faiths (Judeo-Chritsian).

And monkeys fly out of the butts of mullahs on Tuesdays.

"Islam has not changed a thing in the teachings of Moses.'

Oh really? If they actually believed Moses, then all Muslim Arabs need to quit squatting on Jewish land from the Negav to Tyre and east beyond Jordan...then all become Zionists...because the land belongs to the real chosen...From Abraham through Issac, Jacob/ISRAEL.

Here's the link for a third-century AD archaeological witness to the text of the Shema Yisroel confession - found on gold in what appears to be the grave of a Jewish child, in...Austria.

http://public.univie.ac.at/index.php?id=6576&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=5294&tx_ttnews[backPid]=6088&cHash=7ae2ec5731

So we know from this that Jews were saying 'Sh'ma Yisroel..", just as they do today, four hundred years before Islam ever got going. IN other words: Jews way back then were practising 'Judaism' - NOT ISLAM.

And going much, much further back: here's a link to someone's blog with fully source-referenced accounts of a silver scroll dating from before the Babylonian Exile, i.e., at least 1000 years before the rise of anything recognisable as 'Islam'. This artefact testifies to the presence, at that time, of BIBLICAL faith and history, precisely as known to Jews and to Christians.

It bears the Holy Name {YHWH], and a text that is clearly very closely related to the Aaronic Blessing found in Numbers 6 - 'the Lord bless you and keep you..."

http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/YHWH-600BC.html

The blogger notes:

"a tiny silver amulet which contained a Seventh Century b.c.e. extract from the Book of Numbers (6:24-26), the Priestly Blessing.

"The rolled up amulet was part of a treasure hoard found by a Tel Aviv University archeologist in a First Temple Period family tomb in Jerusalem, Israel.
"When this amulet was written, the Temple of Solomon still stood, the heirs of King David still ruled on the throne, and the Dead Sea Scrolls would not be written for another four hundred years."

"It was three years after its discovery before this fragile amulet could be unrolled by technical experts at the Israeli Museum.

"On this amulet the Name of Yahweh could be clearly read in the original Hebrew language.

"Complete details of this magnificent find can be read in the June 28, 1986 and the August 9, 1986 issues of The Jerusalem Post, and the June, 1987 issue of The Readers Digest."

The same site adds a NYT article from 28 Sept 2004, discussing the find.

I would prefer to have given a link to the original Jerusalem Post articles ( June and August 1986) but either they're not online, or I haven't used the right 'tag' on google.

How I miss Dominic Tabrar-Synge! I am sure he would have been able to tell us all about these things and refer us to the very best scholarly sources.

The continuity of the Jewish faith, of Biblical faith, and the faithfulness with which the texts have been passed down, is indisputably clear to any sane person.

I can only imagine the white-hot fury and deadly stiletto strikes of reasoned argument and archaeological knowledge with which our late beloved Dominic, may his memory be a blessing, Dominic who had been privileged to attend at least one archaological dig in Jerusalem itself, would have annihilated this contemptible Saudi liar.

"...because according to the Koran and the guidance of the Prophet, we are not allowed to harm any dhimmi [non-Muslim living under Muslim rule], as long as there is a covenant between us...."

and if you ain't a dhimmi, you ain't s**t and you are gonna die..

Every totalitarian ideology engages in doublespeak and blames others for all kinds of things. Islam is no exception here. Witness this joker, one of countless Muslims who says the same old same old. So tired of this. So tired of Islam. Too bad it exists.

DDA,

The continuity of the Jewish faith, of Biblical faith, and the faithfulness with which the texts have been passed down, is indisputably clear to any sane person.

Precisely, and very well said! I thank you for your continued excellence and clarity in your posts, and your superb scholarship.

The archaeological evidence proving the longevity and coherence of the ancient Jewish texts over time is something that we all must pound home to these muslim idiots: We have our proof; now show us your Qur'an, as supposedly delivered to Muhammed.

Of course, under duress of any such challenge to the muslim scholars we will get nothing in return but excuses, excuses, excuses.

I don't need to go into a long essay about this because we all the reasons why they can not do such a thing, and why they will never do such a thing.

So for every Muhammad Abduh Al-Yamani out there, let them beware (and be aware):

We are on to you!

This business of Jews and Christians having "corrupted" their scriptures is not based on scholarship or analysis. It's only typical Islamic aprioristic blather: i.e. from the axiomatic "correctness" of the Qur'an it must follow that anything that disagrees, when it shouldn't, must have been "corrupted", QED.

An interesting test, however, is the story of Joseph, where Sura 12 is not scrutable without the narrative of Genesis 37-50. But there's more to it. Q12:49 has no parallel in the Genesis story, and in fact does not correspond to anything even in the Qur'anic version of Pharaoh's dream.

So, why is it there? Was it edited out of Genesis? Not at all. Q12:49 is clear proof that Allah didn't know his geography, and therefore that the Qur'an is bogus.

Pravasi,

Something else, not to be proselytizing here, but seems to me Mo's "perfect" book is completely void of the concept of Matthew 6:9 - You know, that little prayer that begins with

Our Father....

Muhammad Abduh Al-Yamani .......

Just based on looks this imam looks like a lo-IQ dullard. Looks a bit like one of the apes on "Planet of the Apes"

It would have been great if he'd finished off his rant with a rousing version of "Give Me That Old Time Religion".

And there's that finger again....always with the finger!

Zena, I do not accept that the Scriptures have changed, unless you mean that David lived long after Moses; Isaiah after David; and the Apostles of Christ long after Isaiah (i.e., the New Testament was written after the Old; and that the prophets were written after the Pentateuch).

And, Mr. Al-Yamani, show me the slightest shred of evidence that some Torah and Gospel other than the ones we have now ever existed. And please explain how it is that the Jews and Christians wrangle over the same old Old Testament (and have been at it for two millennia now) while different Christian sects wrangle over the same old New Testament. Neither the Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, nor Anglicans have dared to touch two Greek letters in the opening of Paul's Epistle to the Philippians, even though these two letters challenge the entire hierarchical structure of their churches.

The only reason Al-Yamani can get a hearing is because our major, well-endowed churches have been led by apostates.

Someone get this guy away from the microphone.
Posted by: PMK

Is that the same as 'get off the phone you big dope'?

I think it is a mistake for Christians, to try and defend Christianity or the Bible from people who never get the message anyway. It is common belief in Islam that Christians and Jews corrupted their scripture and that's that. It's their own scripture that needs minute examination. That is done here, but mostly infidels tune in for that...muslims tune in to fog up the landscape. It is not Christianity that needs investigation. It's Islam and the Quran that need the microscope. We know Allah did not write the Quran, so who did? The one or the many?
The evidence is on the side of the many.

Manuscript evidence for the Qur’an is simply non-existent, prior to 750 A.D., there is no verifiable Moslem documents. The primary sources are 150-300 years after the fact and thus are secondary sources.

The Bible has multiple manuscripts that date 700-900 years earlier, when durable paper did not exist. Islam can not produce one single corroborated manuscript within a century of their founders birth.

What’s also interesting the heretical stories found in the Qur’an appear to be plagiarized from many apocryphal writings both Jewish and Christian.

But this is all nothing more then an elaborate Jewish / infidel conspiracy to discredit Islam and the Qur’an.

so....islam has changed nothing of the teachings of Moses?
So islam has daily sacrifices in a temple? islam offers up the burnt offering, the meal offering, the peace offering, the sin offering, the trespass offering?
islam observes all the feast of Jehovah? Passover? the feast of tabernacles?
what these lobotomised half-wits will not understand is that the law of Moses was given to Israel, to be observed in the land of Israel. It is not a universal code of practice

"But of course the Crusaders and the Jooooos did find the copies and covered them up; it's all a big anti-Islam conspiracy, yadda yadda yadda."

special_guest,

That is the expected argument. But the problem is that there are so many copies of the various heretical (so-called) gospels in existance, that its improbable that those "Crusaders and Jooooos" were able to destroy every single copy of the "undistorted" (i.e. Moslem-approved) Bible, but were unable to destroy every single copy of the heretical gospels, which they knew about.

Of course the Christians and Jews altered their Scriptures. How else could the message they bear be so humane as compared to the Koran?

On second thought, lets reverse the above statement.

The interviewer wasn't too shabby. He must be the Arab Bill O'Reilly. Sometimes I look at how these people dress and what they say and think that they come across like villains from Star Trek.

To paraphrase the Muslim claims of respect and tolerance for those of other religions

"We respect your religion but its all a pack of lies"

" We are very tolerant of Christians. As long as they ignore the single most important commandment that Jesus gave to them and not evangelize Muslims, then everything will be ok and no Muslims, acting on their own of course, will get crazy with disrespect and do something regretable to some poor innocent Christian or worse their families...."

Excuse my language here but WTF do the words respect and tolerance mean to these people? Certainly no definition that anyone else in the history of the world has ever had of them.

i would love to see how this idiot would explain the dead sea scrolls witch prove the gospel has not been altered and predates the cult of islam and there so called holly quran