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Abu Qatada Update. "Islamic preacher Abu Qatada is bailed," by Christopher Hope for The Telegraph, May 9:
Abu Qatada, who last month defeated the Government’s efforts to deport him to Jordan on terror charges, will be subject to a 22-hour curfew when he is released from Long Lartin high-security prison.
Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said she was “extremely disappointed” at the decision and promised “all steps necessary to protect the public”.
Some of the bail money is thought to have been put up by Norman Kember, the Christian peace worker who was held hostage in Baghdad for four months from November 2005 by a group of insurgents. Qatada had made a video appeal for his release.
The bail decision by the Special Immigration Advisory Tribunal is a fresh blow to the Government’s anti-terror policies.
Last month, the Home Office was forced to abandon plans to deport 12 Libyan fanatics, leaving a memorandum of understanding with Libya, signed in October 2005, effectively in tatters.
The rulings mean that not a single international terrorist has been forcibly removed from this country. Nearly three years after the 7/7 attacks, the only Islamic extremists to depart are eight Algerians who left voluntarily.
Qatada 45, has been convicted in his absence in Jordan of involvement with terror attacks in 1998 and of plotting to plant bombs at the Millennium.
The radical cleric once called on British Muslims to martyr themselves, and tapes of his sermons were found in a flat in Germany used by some of the September 11 hijackers.
Mrs Smith said: “Public safety is our main priority and we will take all steps necessary to protect the public. We will ensure that necessary steps are taken to ensure the safety of the public.
“I am already seeking to appeal the Court of Appeal’s decision that it is not safe to deport Qatada and we will continue with deportation action with this and the other Jordanian cases.”
Qatada could be freed within days and it is thought he will return to his family, who are understood to be living in Acton, West London.
Once he has been released, the Jordanian father-of-five, can expect to receive £1,000 a month in benefit payments. The taxpayer will also face a bill of tens of thousands of pounds to keep the cleric under 24-hour watch.
The UK is state sponsored jihadi paradise on earth, until they bomb and kill some kaffirs and go to Allah paradise in the sky.
They must also arrange for his four wives to go on welfare, and a steady supply of Viagra - just in case - then he will really be sitting pretty. Nothing like a homegrown Ummah.
Over on Abu Muqawama (one of the best counterinsurgency and military blogs online) there's been a call for sources to make up a reading list on political Islam. AM is friendly with several heavy hitters in the military and civilian sides of the current wars, and the commenters have put up a wealth of material.
Right now I'm reading an essay recommended by an AM commenter on "Global Jihadism After the Iraq War" that's fascinating stuff. I imagine the other works recommended are at least as good.
If nothing else, it's food for thought.
The U.K. have deported this jihadi (sabeel ahmed, Glasgow airport) to India after feeding him halal meals for 10 months. Now his mama says that he is "confused".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Sabeel_returns_stays_away_from_media/articleshow/3023453.cms
Hell, I'm moving to England and declaring a jihad against their silly rear ends!
Sounds profitable!
Why isn't it safe to deport a Muslim back to a Muslim country is there something you are not telling us? Does his Islamic views cause a problem in an Islamic country.
Islam is a 'religion of peace and tolerance' if the country is Islamic then that surely is the best place for him! The infidel courts think otherwise, why...?
Profitsbeard.. if you are serious.. I am a German and I am WITH YOU.. let's go undercover and smite these jihadists!
Let's go Ninja on the bassturds.
You let me know and I will.. damn.. give up my nice business here in the United States.. that I am paying taxes from..
You know what.. if you are willing to go to England and take down some of these jihadist beasts.. I mean in writing only of course.. I may just want to follow you..
England IS part of Europe. And as such it is our duty to assist.
...to keep the cleric under 24-hour watch.
The amount of vigilance needed these days unfortunately grows, and grows, and grows...
"Why isn't it safe to deport a Muslim back to a Muslim country is there something you are not telling us? Does his Islamic views cause a problem in an Islamic country.
Islam is a 'religion of peace and tolerance' if the country is Islamic then that surely is the best place for him! The infidel courts think otherwise, why...?
Posted by: James"
Brother, India is not a muslim country.
Ummah Gummah I think profitsbeard was referring to the fact that Islamic terrorists in the UK are not only not being deported but are on the public dole and living a easy publicly funded life and at the same time planning a Islamic takeover. What better way to have your cake and eat it too at the expense of the infidels.
Go to the UK, declare jihad and let the Government support you.
arjun is RIGHT. India is NOT a moslem country! Good call, Arjun!
He needs to be air dropped over Panajistan.. from about 30,000 feet.. parachute would be a waste..
Why indeed would we want to saddle India with these bassturds.. Inida has suffered ENOUGH from this garbage!
Imagine India.. so may highly intelligent people there.. without islam.. they might just be the Number One in so many fields...
We should help them, not send jihadists to their fair lands!
India.. FREE yourself of these vile moslems!
Send them to Pakijistan where they belong!!!
Long live FREE INDIA!! HINDU rules!!
Buddhism is OK too..
Nothing like a homegrown Ummah.
Posted by: Dsinc
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Heyyy..*I* am a homegrown UMMAH.. not exactly the kind the fascists are dreaming of..
I AM the RESISTANCE!
YOU are the RESISTANCE!!
NOUS tous sommes la RESISTANCE!!!
SCREW ALLA!!!!
havekoranwilltravel, I THOUGHT I understood.. I would like to suggest we ALL move to England and declare some weird religion.. get ourselves and a few HOT BABES [NOT in garbage bags but in 'kinis] and then we leaqrn hoe to snipe and we'll start picking off the most evil ones from miles away..
We'll be saving our English cousins/brethren/whatever they choose to think we are MILLIONS in BPounds a year!
SCREW islam - EUROPA UNITEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!
Rrrrrrrrausss mit dem PACK!!
havekoranwilltravel, I THOUGHT I understood.. I would like to suggest we ALL move to England and declare some weird religion.. get ourselves and a few HOT BABES [NOT in garbage bags but in 'kinis] and then we leaqrn hoe to snipe and we'll start picking off the most evil ones from miles away..
We'll be saving our English cousins/brethren/whatever they choose to think we are MILLIONS in BPounds a year!
SCREW islam - EUROPA UNITEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!
Rrrrrrrrausss mit dem PACK!!
The UK judiciary doesn't have a clue what it's like living in the real world. Far too often we hear of decisions made which are contrary to common sense.
Here are some more examples.
Who's paying off these immigration officials? Are the Saudis cutting these traitors a check? Is the immigration office loaded with jihadi immigrants? Who in their right minds would give this scum entry into their country? Answer: No one.
It's time to out individuals in government who expose us to evil. These people are either corrupt, self-hating or brain dead. They must be shunned, ejected from decent community, and figuratively tarred and feathered. Give them no quarter,no aid, no respect. Only the middle finger, literally.
http://www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com
I suspect the Jordanians would execute him. So against British multiculturalism.
"Some of the bail money is thought to have been put up by Norman Kember, the Christian peace worker who was held hostage in Baghdad"
Kember is sure playing loose with other people's lives, and think he's being "Christian" by doing so.
In a posting at 4:55 a.m. above "watling" gives three links to other examples of those who are draining the Treasury, and no way, apparently, can be found to deport them.
Here's the first:
"A failed asylum seeker jailed for child rape is to receive around £50,000 in damages after a judge ruled he had been unlawfully kept behind bars while the Home Office tried to deport him to Somalia.
He won the payout despite being offered the opportunity to go voluntarily - but he preferred to stay in a British prison with free bed and board.
The pay-out is all the more astonishing because the authorities effectively have little choice but to keep him in prison.
He cannot be let out on to the streets in Britain because he is considered a danger to the public - especially women.
But equally, it is very difficult to deported him back to Somalia, despite failing in his asylum application.
Until July no airline was willing to fly compulsory deportees there, and only one will do so now - but it is dealing with a backlog. The man himself, meanwhile, refuses to go voluntarily because he says it is too dangerous for him back home.
He has, in effect, elected to stay in Britain - yet is claiming compensation for doing so. All the while, on top of his £50,000 damages and £100,000 legal fees paid by the taxpayer, he is costing more than £37,000 a year to keep in prison.
His stay in prison beyond his sentence has already cost well over £100,000 to the taxpayer. And he is also entitled to remain anonymous in the media.
This is because the Court of Appeal follows the convention in other European courts that publicly naming asylum seekers may put them at danger from those they may be fleeing from.
The 30-year-old entered Britain illegally on a false Kenyan passport in 1995, and within three years had raped a 13-year old girl at knifepoint. Probation officers warned that if freed he might stalk his victim and attack her again, and that he poses a risk to all women, and the public in general.
He has been held in prison since his sentence ended in 2003, while officials bid to deport him to Somalia. He used Legal Aid, pushing his law fees for the taxpayer of up to £100,000, to launch a High Court appeal to be freed, along with a claim for compensation for being unlawfully imprisoned - in spite of the fact that he has been free to return to his homeland for more than three years.
Yesterday, astonishingly, his claim was partially accepted by High Court judge Mr Justice CalvertSmith who ruled that although the failed asylum seeker had sought to remain in Britain 'by hook or by crook', he had been unlawfully detained for 20 months.
The rapist - who has been granted the cloak of anyonymity, and can be known only as 'A' - will accordingly be paid compensation likely to run to £50,000, enough to buy many houses in his homeland.
The failed asylum seeker plans to appeal any imminent bid to forcibly deport him, but if he is successfully sent back his legal winnings will be sent to him there.
Somali A, who was born in his country's capital, Mogadishu, first claimed asylum in May 1995 after entering the country with his bogus Kenyan passport. That claim was rejected, although he was granted 'exceptional leave to remain' until February 2000.
But in February 1998 he raped his schoolgirl victim - threatening her with a knife as he forced her to carry out a sex act. In July of that year he was jailed for eight years.
But because he was such a clear danger to his victim and women and the public in general, when A's prison sentence came to an end in September 2003 he was kept in prison pending deportation.
He was assessed as being likely to abscond if freed on bail.
He launched numerous legal battles against deportation, and two more claims for asylum, all on Legal Aid, but by September last year all had failed.
When he again faced forcible deportation last month, he launched his latest bid.
At the High Court in London, Nigel Giffin QC, appearing for the Home Secretary, said A could long ago have brought his detention to an end if he had returned home voluntarily.
He accepted that compulsory removals to Somalia had been impossible for a while, because no airline was willing to fly deportees there - but the Home Secretary never gave up his attempts, and persisted in hoping A would return voluntarily, which at one point he seemed to indicate enthusiasm for.
Mr Griffin told the court 48 Somali deportees had returned to the country voluntarily over the last three years, as "there has been no barrier to voluntary travel".
Mr Griffin said: "The claimant is merely taking illegitimate advantage of the difficulties there have been in effecting compulsory removals."
And in July of this year, when a degree of stablity returned to Somalia, flights into the country increased, and A's forcible deportation became imminently practical.
Warnings of his danger to the public, meanwhile, were clear.
Documents handed to the court said: "The probation officer at Maidstone Prison concluded that the clamaint continued to pose a high risk of sexual offending on release. "She noted concerns about his strong stereotypical view of females as well as a poor disciplinary record in prison."
Another probation officer, meanwhile, 'noted that the claimant exhibited disturbed behaviour, and displayed no remorse whatsoever.
"The probation officer considered both that the claimant continued to pose a risk to women, and that he posed a risk of reoffending in other ways.
"He was also concerned the claimant might attempt to locate and take revenge upon his original victim."
Somali A's barrister, Richard Drabble QC, said he would seek a judicial review of any imminent bid by Home Secretary John Reid to send his client home, claiming he feared death there.
Mr Drabble, who had called for his clients "immediate release" said: "Somalia has been in a state of dangerous chaos." Mr Justice Calvert Smith ruled that from December 2004 until July this year A was held in prison unlawfully because there was no possibility of sending him back to Somalia, and was entitled to compensation.
Home Office Minister Liam Byrne said after the hearing: "We are disappointed with the court's decision and are considering whether to appeal.
"We are, however, pleased that the Court has recognised this individual is currently legally detained. This decision does not affect our commitment to seek to deport foreign national prisoners who have committed a serious crime as early as possible in their sentence."
Conservative Home Affairs spokesman Damian Green said: "Yet again the public will be left mystified by another bizarre and unfair decision. They will wonder if the Government will ever get to grips with this shambles."
Mr Justice Calvert Smith said A should have been considered for release in the community with an electronic tag - despite hearing from the Home Office's barrister that tags "can be removed" and "would not be a satisfactory means of guarding against the risk of absconding".
Conservative MP Philip Davies said last night: "You couldn't make this up. Every decent hardworking family that pays their taxes in this country will be disgusted and horrified by this compensation payout.
"Welcome to Britain in 2006 under New Labour.
"People are getting more and more sick of things like this."
A spokesman for the Taxpayers Alliance, James Frayne said: "This must be one of the most repellent compensation awards ever made.
"Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay a penny to this man, and politicians should be ashamed of themselves for creating a criminal justice system which allows this sort of thing to happen.
"If any human rights legislation is responsible for this ruling it should be repealed immediately."
And spokesman for the pressure group Victims of Crime Trust Norman Brennan said: "Just when you think the compensation culture in this country couldn't become any madder, we seem to be able to top it.
"The average compensation payout for a victim of rape is £13,000 - so this man has got four times what his poor victim is likely to have got for what he did to her.
"This is a clear case of lunacy within the courts and it brings the whole criminal justice system into question. Someone somewhere has got to get a grip of this out of control compensation culture."
n.sears@dailymail.co.uk
Islam has nothng but HOSTILITY towards non-muslims. Islam is built on discrimination. Just Kaffur fools don't know it.
I AM the RESISTANCE!
YOU are the RESISTANCE!!
NOUS tous sommes la RESISTANCE!!!
SCREW ALLA!!!!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah
Exactly, and the Muslim ummah, I was talking about.
The taxpayer will also face a bill of tens of thousands of pounds to keep the cleric under 24-hour watch.
This is unbelievable - and the US cannot pay to protect Aayan Hirsi Ali???
"There will always be an England."
But when did they add "Islamic Republic of" to the name?
Australia: Catmeat Mufti Al Hilali in the news again:
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/05/08/australian-national-imams-council-accused-of-unspeakable-corruption/
OH yeah, Kember , I remember him, he rejected advice not to go to Iraq, the Muslim terrorists captured him and 4 others, (they killed the American, MR Fox), Upon his release, he refused to thank his British rescuers and demanded UK to remove its troops.
from a new repoort
"On March 23 Kember and the others were freed during a raid by multinational forces led by British Special Forces. None of the captors was present at the time of the raid, no shots were fired and no-one was injured. Professor Kember was criticised for not explicitly thanking the military forces which assisted in securing his release, but has requested the withdrawal of coalition forces from Iraq. General Sir Michael Jackson has told Channel 4 News that he was �saddened that there doesn�t seem to have been a note of gratitude for the soldiers who risked their lives to save those lives�. On March 25, in a telephone phone-in discussion on BBC Radio Five Live, Colonel Bob Stewart, a former British Commander under United Nations command in Bosnia from September 1992 to May 1993 suggested that Mr Kember and people like him were a liability. He had ignored advice not to go to Baghdad and the security services, the British government and multinational forces had diverted valuable time and resources (the rescue was said to have cost several million pounds) to rescue a foolish, albeit well intentioned, meddling civilian. His lack of gratitude was criticised as not being characteristic of true Christian values."
"Some of the bail money is thought to have been put up by Norman Kember"
...I meant to include this statement in my above post...
Ummah Gummah,
We ARE helping India. George W. Bush is giving them nuclear technology they should have no right to under the terms of the NPT - which WE signed.
And where was India when WE needed help?
First with the Russians, then "non-aligned" and then with France.
The only time India has been our friend was when there was something material to be gained by it, like high-tech jobs. Friendship with India is a one-way street.
The bail decision by the Special Immigration Advisory Tribunal is a fresh blow to the Government’s anti-terror policies.
What anti-terror policies?
FRrom above: Once he has been released, the Jordanian father-of-five, can expect to receive £1,000 a month in benefit payments. The taxpayer will also face a bill of tens of thousands of pounds to keep the cleric under 24-hour watch.
Crime does not pay, but being a Islamic terrorist
does. If you don't die in jihad, move to the UK, it's the next best thing to Allah's paradise. You don't get any virgins, but you can have four wives, you don't have to work, and the wonderful British citizens pick up the bill, and actually pay you for being a muslim and doing what muslims do. Now that's one sweet deal. Maybe that's why we get a lot of prison converts to Islam.
They too want to immigrate to the UK and cash in on this generous offer. But if they wait awhile, they won't have to move. It wont be long till the American taxpayers insist on such a program in the US. A criminal can then, convert, be immediately freed, given hefty sums of cash monthly, can marry four women (they too can be on the dole), if he can find that many. If not the American taxpayer will provide women for him. We infidels will do anything for muslims...anything. And this is all in the belief that if we appease them enough, they won't jihad...I got news for you, you can't appease Allah. They are going to take those four wives, those cash payments, and jihad anyway.
Islamic jihad is a winner every time, if Allah does not pay off, the stupid kuffir will...
I'd love to swing that monkey around by his chin hair. http://www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com/
Is that not an evil looking ba$tard?
We must have missed the memo tanstaafl . . .
Melanie Phillips book "Londonistan" explains all of the insanity of the English legal system. It seems that there are "Law Lords" that subscribe to the EU Human Rights policies. That means that it's almost impossible to deport anyone, no matter how dreadful the crime, since the criminal might be punished if he's deported, and that's against EU policy. Or some such nonsense.
It's also extremely easy to manipulate their social welfare system in Britain and Europe as a whole- see Bruce Bawers book "While Europe Slept." Their welfare system is helping terrorists and their families live quite well.
Even when Islamic hate-preachers like Omar Bakri leave voluntarily, they leave their brood behind, for the infidel British taxpayer to bleed some more. There is the Abu Hamza case and many others like it, and we with our humanitarian idiocy believe we owe them a living.
Recently in Switzerland one brave politician called for 'Sippenhaft' which means collective punishment and expulsion for large migrant families who are involved in multiple criminal activities against their host country.
The politically correct multiculti loons screamed like seared pigs.
They finished him off like they finished Pauline Hanson in Australia.
...to keep the cleric under 24-hour watch.
Until he needs the toilet, then he's gone.....
Brother, India is not a muslim country.
Posted by: arjun.sevak
arjun is RIGHT. India is NOT a moslem country! Good call, Arjun!
Posted by: Ummah Gummah
Did you actually read the article. He is Jordanian. I didn't know Jordan was in India!
From the article:
"Abu Qatada, who last month defeated the Government’s efforts to deport him to Jordan on terror charges"
"the Jordanian father-of-five"
If you insist I will agree India is not a Muslim country, but that is not where he was being deported to!
Because the "prophet" practised torture there isn't a Muslim country, whatever international declarations have been subscribed to, that does not follow suit.
This means that it is impossible to deport the citizen of a Muslim state from the UK if he is likely to be of any concern to the authorities in his country of origin.
This affords Muslims greater rights than nearly all other foreign nationals in this country. Perhaps the legal asses could apply their sharp logical minds to that inequity.
Regarding the examples "Posted by: Hugh May 9, 2008 7:23 AM"
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The UK has obviously decided to commit suicide.
I was encouraged when "Red Ken" Livingstone was tossed out as mayor of London, but it seems the court system won't be so easily corrected. When a government deliberately and repeatedly chooses to elevate the welfare of alien criminals over the rights of its own citizens, something is dreadfully wrong in that society.
Bye-bye Britannia...
The people need to vote out the liberal elites of their government and take back their country. toss out the koran and those who follow it. then get rid of the EU and UN lovers.
While we may dislike his views and his alleged actions, Mr Qatada has the right to due process like anyone else.
There does not appear to be enough evidence to bring a successful prosecution for terrorist support in the UK so until there is he should be watched, but not held. We should not deprive suspects of their rights because it would be more convenient.
Deporting him, however, should be allowed if the evidence is strong enough. The UK government has already made agreements with the requesting government that subjects will not be tortured etc.
It seems the real problem was created when he applied for, and was granted, asylum in the UK on the grounds of "religious persecution".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Qatada
Watling posted the following:
"The UK judiciary doesn't have a clue what it's like living in the real world. Far too often we hear of decisions made which are contrary to common sense."
Some British Judges may be eccentric but not all of them.
Is it not possible that these Judges, by making such ludicrous decisions, are merely showing that we have such poor law makers (our useless government)? After all the Judges only interpret the law as laid down by parliament!
calm down, just assign those new Muslima policewomen to watch him..
Londonistan Trojan horse! Londonistan dhimmis! Londonistan traitors! Londonistan vermin!
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
"Madijihadi" ??
What were you thinking?