Sign the anti-Spencer petition!

Jihad Watch reader James has alerted me to this petition over at PetitionOnline:

To: Robert Spencer

We strongly condemn all the writings of Robert Spencer which present a wrong and misleading view about Islam and about Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). Especially Robert Spencer’s book “The truth about Muhammad” (S.A.W). This contains totally wrong and invalid references. All this author’s books and website are against Islam and is clearly an attack on Islam. We ,all Muslims, strongly condemn it.

"This contains totally wrong and invalid references."

Oh yeah? Prove it.

"All this author’s books and website are against Islam and is clearly an attack on Islam."

The truth can hurt, can't it, fellows?

"We ,all Muslims, strongly condemn it."

All Muslims? Really? And here I thought we were all forbidden to generalize in such a way!

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It is not for us Infidels to question the motives, or to make generalizations of Islam. It is for us to do what they tell us, and not as they do.

Typical Liberals that way...

They're quoting you out of context! They're "cherry-picking" the lines that condemn Islam and not mentioning the rest of the text!

one of the petitioners writes:

"62. ALI QURESHI I strongly condemn this attact on Islamc by Robert - But Islam teaches us no revenge - therefore i sign off this petition & advise Robert not to repeat this kind of act again, .."


Islam teaches no revenge? oh really?...well maybe the Muslims do not openly teach revenge, but they certainly practice it. Islam history is filled with acts of revenge, here is one of the earlier ones:.

Splitting an old woman in two

Raiding was part and parcel of seventh-century Arab culture, and Muhammad incorporated this dubious custom and elevated it to jihad. Sometimes the raids took ugly, nasty turns.

In early AD 628, during a raid, Zayd, Muhammad’s freedman and adopted son, was wounded and some of his men were killed by a tribe. Zayd vowed to abstain from sex until he took revenge. After Zayd recovered from his wounds, Muhammad sent him and a raiding band back to the tribe. An old woman named Umm Qirfa was taken prisoner. Would a Muslim leader spare her from death, not to mention from torturing her? No. Her death was cruel, says an Islamic source, matter-of-factly.

The executioner appointed by Zayd "tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to camels, and they split her in two." (Tabari)

It is not hard to imagine her screams. From the Islamic sources it is unclear why she, an old woman, had to die in the first place. But assuming only for the sake of argument that the initial raid was justified—a big assumption based on the belief that the old woman’s tribe was collaborating with the Jews of Khaybar—assuming this is true, did an old woman have to die in such a gruesome way—by torture, which is grossly excessive and hence always wrong? It may be argued that Muhammad himself did not order this torture, but that misses the point. The whole expedition was conducted under his orders. Thus, he was ultimately responsible for the behavior of his men. If this atrocity went against his instructions, if he did not agree with such cruel methods (even though he himself committed cruelties), then why did he not punish—like for like—Zayd and his executioner? He did not even reprimand them. But Zayd was his adopted son, so apparently family loyalty wins out over justice.

I checked the number of signatures - 69! And the 69th one comments "Mohammed was a pedophyl," so really they have only 68! I guess the best thing to do is not sign the petition defending RS, but to ignore it altogether.

What do you people think?

Also, it speaks volumes that the originator's of this petition assume that no one can be "against" Islam or "attack" (verbally) Islam. LOL!

I'm going to start a petition that implies that no one can be against or verbally attack Christianity. See how insane the Mohammedans' petition is? But, you know that.

OT, but need input from JW's. A friend (who is very brilliant) said this to me about the Mohammedans:

"Actually, up until mid 1200s, they were a vital, open, inquisitive
society. We have the Greeks because of them. We have algebra because
of them. But after about 1250, something happened and the Arabian and
Muslim culture shut down."

Is the above true?

It looks as if the intentions of those who organised this petition have seriously backfired. People are queuing up to sign up and offer their comments in favour of Robert and his book.

Could JW and DW readers ever stoop to such a tactic?!

Here are signatures 69 -74! I esp. like #71 from "Enraged Infidel!":


74. Mohamed Aisha I love bedding 9 year olds - death to all infidels

73. Anonymous When Islam grows up and enters the 21st century, I'll consider it. Until then, it has my disdain, not my support.

72. abdull bin islam mohammad was a peadophile

71. Enraged infidel Allah is imaginary and the "prophet" a long dead fool, Spencer is only pointing out the obvious: Islam is a violent system of control espousing hatred for those who challenge the validity of Islam. I SUPPORT ROBERT SPENCER AND I REJECT ISLAM AND ITS MYTHOLOGICAL DEITY.

70. hayseed /Zionist shill Robert Spencer rocks....the truth hurts some times

69. Jencule Mohamet Mohamet is a pedophyl

I guess the best thing to do is not sign the petition defending RS, but to ignore it altogether.

What do you people think?

Darcy,

What petition are you referring to? The one described in the article CONDEMNS Robert. It doesn't defend him. Why would you even think of signing it?
Even if you signed it in jest, by adding a comment showing how right RS and JW are, all that would matter is that you signed it.

How does the saying go? You know you're over the target when you start receiving lots of flak.

Darcy,

What petition are you referring to? The one described in the article CONDEMNS Robert. It doesn't defend him. Why would you even think of signing it?
Even if you signed it in jest, by adding a comment showing how right RS and JW are, all that would matter is that you signed it.

Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2008 9:45 AM

Whoa, PMK! Either you misunderstood me, or I didn't adequately express myself. Of course I know the Petition is against RS. My point was, is - is it better to sign it DEFENDING RS (as some have done), OR ignore it altogether?

What do you think is the best option?

"Actually, up until mid 1200s, they were a vital, open, inquisitive society. We have the Greeks because of them. We have algebra because
of them. But after about 1250, something happened and the Arabian and Muslim culture shut down."

Is the above true?

Darcy,

1250 (thereabouts) coincides with the Mongol invasions. Baghdad fell in 1258. The Abbasid Empire was laid waste and its titular leader killed.
The Mongols didn't have their own religion and most quickly became Muslims. However, they also triggered a mass migration of nomadic Turkish tribes, who wished to avoid Mongol domination. The Turks settled in frontier areas where the society was still governed by the ethos of holy war and fighting for spoils. They were the forerunners of the Ottoman Empire.
(The above is not an exact quote but a paraphrasing from Efraim Karsh's book "Islamic Imperialism".)

I don't know that they were inquisitive. More likely they were still surviving on the fruits of what the Byzantines had built up before them. They also had entire societies paying their way. It's true they saved some documents that were destroyed in Europe. However, algebra came from India. We call them Arabic numbers because Europeans got them from the Arabs. However, the Arabs got them from India. We would have also, at some point.

It's true they saved some documents that were destroyed in Europe. However, algebra came from India. We call them Arabic numbers because Europeans got them from the Arabs. However, the Arabs got them from India. We would have also, at some point.


Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2008 10:08 AM

Thanks for the info. Also, see my response to you above your comment!

We strongly condemn all the writings of Robert Spencer which present a wrong and misleading view about Islam and about Holy Prophet Muhammad

That sounds good till you get to the part about proving what is 'wrong and misleading'. This is where Robert has them by the...back of the neck.
How many of those signers have actually read RS books? How many drop in here to check it out?
I would imagine that some of the signers have read at least a little Spencer, but not enough. More of them need to read him, and when they realize that
their best scholars, apologists and taqiyya artists cant dent the truth that RS presents, some of them will see the light and leave Islam. Others start an on line petition...That's what muslims do when they run out of substantive arguments...

Oh woo, a petition. If you listen close you can hear a rustling sound -- that's me, quaking in my boots.

Please, mister! Don't do a PETITION, for God's sake, anything but thaaat!

Heh.

Darcy,
Thanks for clarifying. It sounded like you wanted to sign the petition but defend RS in your comments. (See the conclusion of my comment) I think that is pointless because your comments won't matter to the propagandists. They'll have your signature. That's all that matters. They want numbers. Petitioners don't care why you sign - only that you sign.

"...The An attack on Islam by Robert Spencer Petition to Robert Spencer was created by All Muslims and written by Muhammad Waqas Riaz (waqas455@gmail.com). This petition is hosted here at ..."

If all the Muslims created and support this petition why aren't there 1.3 billion signatures?

Would a few choice e-mails be appropriate?
Muhammad Waqas Riaz (waqas455@gmail.com)

"...your comments won't matter to the propagandists. They'll have your signature. That's all that matters. They want numbers. Petitioners don't care why you sign - only that you sign.


Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2008 10:42 AM

Copy That. I will not be signing this Petition.

People, it's better to not sign the Petition, even if your comment defends RS.

Darcy,
Ignore it. This petition isn't a poll.
Do you want to see a public statement about the many non-Muslims who signed this petition against Spencer? The press isn't going to inspect the petition for positive vs negative comments. They might check the number of signers (if that) and then they'll just print or broadcast the contents of the press release.

Darcy,
Our posts crossed in the e-mail!

darcy,

refer your friend to Fjordman's essays:

"islam, the Greeks, and the Scientific Revolution, Pt. 1"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018190.php

Part 2:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018278.php

"islam, Christian Europe, and the Greek Heritage"
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/10/islam-christian-europe-and-greek.html

The above in no way constitutes a complete list of Fjordman's discourses on islamic "contributions" to Western civilization. Just search the archives at JW, DW & GoV. I believe it was Fjordman in one of his essays who stated that far from contributing to European civilization, the ummah was actually largely responsible for the Dark Ages that overtook Europe as a result of the ummah's near-total control of the principal transit route for goods & ideas -- the Mediterranean.

PMK, I just checked and there are all of 87 signatures. #'s 69-87 DEFEND RS. So, you see, some JW's ARE going there to sign, and in their comment defend RS. But I think you're right that all the Petitioner cares about is numbers - so, I'm not going on there.

Darcy,
Our posts crossed in the e-mail!

Posted by: PMK at May 10, 2008 10:55 AM


Yes, PMK, this does seem to be happening to us on a consistent basis this morning! Our timing's off!LOL

Robert

I just signed the petition, with the following comments:

"Please prove that Mr. Spence is misquoting Islamic scripture, and I will gladly sign this petition. Please provide examples."

I hope others will do the same. The only danger is that they will erase the comments and leave the signature, but then, that will only prove how bankrupt their charges are.

"I hope others will do the same. The only danger is that they will erase the comments and leave the signature" --rational

Right. Why it's better to ignore this insane pos Petition.

darcy,

refer your friend to Fjordman's essays: --shiek yer booty

Thanks, shiek. I will do that. I need to read 'em, too.

This is an article by our friend Bosch Fawstin.
http://fawstin.blogspot.com/2008/05/islam-vs-peace.html

Do "they", all muslims, actually believe the crap they put out, or is it just that they want us to believe it...both...neither? It is almost..very similar to trying to illicite information from someone who is schizophrenic.
PS If you sign a petition to make another point...you lose..twice.

interestinconundrum,

Appreciate the mention and link, my friend.

"We ,all Muslims, strongly condemn it."

Except for a tiny minority of extremists.
;)

Truth hurts Islam so badly that it's been deemed Un-Islamic.

"I hope others will do the same. The only danger is that they will erase the comments and leave the signature" --rational

Right. Why it's better to ignore this insane pos Petition.

Posted by: darcy at May 10, 2008 11:03 AM

They better purge some of the names, too:

hayseed/zionist shill
Enraged infidel
daffy duck
Happy Infidel
Buba Gump
Buba Gump #2
Count Dracula
Silly Allah
Fitna
Kufar AlShirk

They are currently only up to 101 names and at least a third of the comments favor R. Spencer. If you do sign, don't use a name they can use as support.

I have news for those idiots.

Robert Spencer is to the USA what Mother Theresa was to India. A blessing and whoever wants to follow is free....
We are free to choose the road we are going to take and even if there is a lot of bumps on the one I chose to follow , I have good nights sleep and peace in my heart.
Forget the bumps on the road and look at the light at the end of the tunnel, Robert Spencer is only spreading the truth, He is genuine He is not motivated by profit or gain , He is motivated by justice, truth and peace.
Whoever dare attack such a man, will be doomed.
Just by reading his books , you notice how blessed this guy is.
He speaks from his heart not from his wallet like a lot of others and who speaks from his heart will win.
Way to go Mr Spencer. Dont worry about the critics and the threats , they will fade before you do.

"We ,all Muslims, strongly condemn it."

Punctuation matters. Observe:

"We, all Muslims..."

I think the intent was that the only signers of the petition were to be Muslims. No kafirs need sign, in other words.

The drafters of the petition would have done better to have written it in the miraculous language that defies translation, Arabic. It would have yielded fewer najis kafir signatures.

Ooops, just read the fine print. The fine print makes the argument for punctuation stronger, however.

The fine print:

"The An attack on Islam by Robert Spencer Petition to Robert Spencer was created by All Muslims and written by Muhammad Waqas Riaz (waqas455@gmail.com)."


"We ,all Muslims," should be:

"We, All Muslims,"

This should specify that there's allegedly a group out there, that calls itself "All Muslims".

By golly, it's high time we did something about this RAGING ISLAMOPHOBIA!! LET'S TELL THE TRUTH About MOHAMMED (Perish Blight Upon Humanity)!!! And remember, there IS NO HUMOR IN ISLAM (these guys crack me up)!!!!

#113. Kuffar United for Freedom and Reason

Robert Spencer speaks truth, and he only asserts what the Quran, Sirah Rasul Allah, canonical aHadith, and all schools of Islamic jurisprudence affirm. This is the truth that Islamic Supremacists, Ikhwanists, Islamists, Islamizers, the blind and the dishonest wish to conceal from 4/5ths of humanity, from Dar al-Harb--that greater part of humanity marked for conversion, subjugation, or extinction through JIHAD.

It's a real shame when A GREAT AND PEACEFUL RELIGION is HIJACKED by NAJIS KUFR MISCREANTS!! LOL!

I confess that I signed the anti-Spencer petition as "Mohammad the Prophet of Islam." My comment: "This petition is a work of darkness, just as my supposed revelations from Allah were completely false."

Hopefully, Muslims will read my comment, believe that I am, in fact, Mohammad, and repent of ever believing in that fecal matter that I shat upon the world's gullible, to their complete ruin.

The truth does hurt. And every religion, no matter how sacred its adherents may feel it is (that includes my own, too), should be held to scrutiny when sinful and immoral acts are committed by numbers of its members. Take for example when the scandal blew up involving the numerous Catholic priests who were molesting and raping children, and the pastors and Bishops who moved them around from parish to parish and/or hid their crimes from the legal authorities. You didn't see one single Catholic "condemning" the press coverage of the stories. We couldn't condemn them, becuase they were true. As hard as it was we had to endure it. And we were deeply embarassed, ashamed and saddened. But we have to bear the Cross even for sins that are not committed by us. Muslims don't see things this way. They bitch and moan, deny, dodge, deflect, duck, weave, cry foul, lie, manipulate and play victim...all over things that are TRUE about Islam. What a bunch of whining sissies.

If you do sign, don't use a name they can use as support. -Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia

The originators of this petition can't use any names like Kufar or Kafir-(insert numerical identifier) with any credibility. This can be fun.

Madame Vengier,

Isn't it the case that Muslims must by definition be absolutely conflicted about their "prophet," who on the one hand was a rapacious thief and avenging murderer, a liar and oath breaker when it served his selfish purposes, and a pedophile by even 7th century Arabian standards, and on the other, is hailed as the perfect model of conduct for Muslims for all time?

Sorry, I can't square this circle, but then, I've always been an infidel...thank God!

Robert, everyone--please NOTE WELL the intended RECIPIENT of this petition--it's addressed "To: Robert Spencer." I can't wait to sign again under my wife's e-accounts! Let's all sign--we are prevailing for the moment--and let's not forget to heap fulsome, idolatrous praise upon Our Great Leader, His Unholiness, The Anticaliph Robert Spencer I. Deus vult!

HEY, guys and kufr chicks--listen to THIS:

118: Mudabila

"The curse of Allah be upon all those who desecrate this holy petition."

Riot! Riot!! Riot!!

"The curse of Allah be upon all those who desecrate this holy petition."

Oh yeah? I can top that that! Allah is a Shi'ite head, and Mohammad is his partner!

Holy petition, Batman!

I'm #127, Burly Shirley. :^) suspecting that this might be a turn on for Mudabila, he of "The curse of Allah..." The boy clearly needs an enema, if nothing else.

118: Mudabila "The curse of Allah be upon all those who desecrate this holy petition."

May the true G-d bless Mudabila to know how ironic his curse is. The petty moon-djinn Allah has already blessed all the Muslims with a crazy religion and an evil prophet (spit).

Word up. You can sign the petition as often as you like. MAKE UP an e-mail address. The software doesn't know that it's bogus. For instance, my THIRD signing was as "Sadegh Ghotbzadeh," the executed foreign minister of Iran when Khomenini was the Thug-In-Chief. I used the fake e-mail address hell@aol.com.

My comment: "I was executed for "allegedly" plotting the assassination of Ayatollah Khomeini. Oh, yes, I meant to kill that madman, and if I had been around during Mohammad's reign of terror, I would have killed him, too. He is responsible for the deaths of millions, and he was a FALSE PROPHET. WAKE UP, you Muslims, before it is too late!"

Let's pour it on! Mudabila is right--Islam can only curse, not bless this world and all humanity. So let's hijack "this holy petition." Yeah, let's send Robert a message!

Remember the famous Letter drafted by the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Sultan, immortalized by Ilya Repin's painting?

We need the Zaporozhian Cossacks here now.

Madame Vengier,

It is worth noting that Jesus Our Lord foresaw this:

Scandal will come, but woe to him by whom scandal comes! Better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and be flung into the depths of the sea than to scandalize one of these, my little ones!

The Mongols didn't have their own religion and most quickly became Muslims. However, they also triggered a mass migration of nomadic Turkish tribes, who wished to avoid Mongol domination. The Turks settled in frontier areas where the society was still governed by the ethos of holy war and fighting for spoils. They were the forerunners of the Ottoman Empire.
Posted by: PMK
No, the Mongols weren't, and didn't become Muslims. If they were, Mongolia would be a Muslim country: it's Muslim population is less than 5%. Genghiz Khan himself belonged to a religion called Tengri, which was a native Mongol religion: aside from that, the religions that most Mongols followed was Buddhism and Christianity.

The only Mongols who Islamized were the Ilkhanate Mongol rulers in Iran, and that was some 8 generations after Hulegu Khan. The Golden Horde was initially Mongol, but later became more Turkic, and that empire too Islamized only later. It's common to confuse Turks and Mongols, but those are 2 different races. The Muslims who conquered and ran Central Asia and a huge empire (like Tamerlane) were Turks, not Mongols. And the Seljuk Turks, who had an empire centered in Iran and which included parts of Asia Minor and Turkestan, were the forerunners to the Ottoman Empire.

Despite their bloodlust, the Mongols were incredibly tolerant when it came to religion, and that also proved to be a major negative, since that implied that Islam too was tolerated. However, note that the extermination of the Assassin sect in Iran wouldn't have happened without the Mongols. Except for the Ilkhanate when they Islamized, the Mongols were largely a force for good in Asia (except maybe in China).

JW's old friend, A_Khokar, now banned from the premises, has been busy posting missives at the anti-Spencer petition, so for old time's sake, I signed the petition yet again, as "A_Khokar."

My comment: Please don't believe anything that I've posted previously at this petition! I realize now that Mohammad really was a murdering, thieving, raping, lying psychopath who has brought more misery to mankind than anyone who has ever lived. Rober Spencer is to be commended for helping people to see the truth about Mohammad, the FALSE PROPHET!

Good work, Lex. "Operation Truthful Message" is progressing, thanks to you. (I plan another foray, myself.) One note of caution, though: STAY CLEAR, I IMPLORE YOU, of incursions into The Neutral Zone!--We wouldn't want to rile those Romulans, now, would we? We have enough on our hands already, what with those blasted Klingons! LOL!

To sum up: This is a meaningless petition, a vehicle for The Undersigned Muslims to vent and to unload on Robert Spencer, the intended recipient. IT CARRIES NO WEIGHT AS A PUBLIC RELATIONS EFFORT OR NEWS STORY. If it makes the Muslims feel good about defending their Prophet, their deen, and The Ummah, well then--LET'S PLAY ALONG WITH THEM!! GREAT JOB, ALL YOU NAJIS KUFR SWINE! KEEP IT UP!!

Like The Man says, "Sign the anti-Spencer petition!" What's holding you back?

You need not worry about being misunderstood--it can serve our cause handily. I doubt Robert himself would fault you for upending this lovely excercise in futility, the Futility of Petitioning While Muslim--LOL!

Don't sign the petition ...as one poster said, the comments may be erased and just the names left. When I was a reporter, at one point I got sued for 1 million dollars... I knew I had arrived! LOL. The suite was baseless, but what I had written touched a nerve. As have Spencer's writings. Robert is doing something right or they wouldn't bother to make a petition.

But, DON"T sign it!!

We Zaporozhian Cossacks are free to rule ourselves! To the Devil with the goatsuckers!

John C,

Thanks! and in your honor, my latest entry at anti-Spencer Petition-ville, this time in response to Imam A_Khokar, who discovered my ruse and let the world know! I was almost ashamed of myself, but then noticed that someone else had made excellent usage of a "borrowing" of A_Khokar's nom de plume. Call it an abrogation; it's the Islamic way.

Naturally, I had to respond, as "Lex to A_Khokar," and did so as follows:

So, you're still prowling around Jihad Watch, are you? I didn't think you'd be able to stay away. In fact, I was counting on it. I notice that you haven't answered my charges that your dearly beloved "prophet" Mohammad was in fact a murdering, thieving, raping, lying psychopath. Oh, that's right, he only murdered, stole from, raped, and lied to unbelievers, which makes it OK, right?

This petition (pointless as it is) condemns ALL of Robert Spencer's works--it is, after all, an expression of hostility to universal FREE SPEECH. Well, the best way to preserve FREE SPEECH is by SPEAKING FREELY. HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY--USE IT.

So you see, here we have converted an expression of hostility to free speech into an affirmation of it--so please, let's keep it up!

Waht's with this petition? CAIR usually sends their lawyers to file complaints. Are they getting soft? Keep it up Spence, you are obviously on target.

A goatsucker is a bird, also called a nightjar or nighthawk, FYI.

Sounds mighty rude, though.

I've had so much fun, signing, commenting on, and reading the names and comments on this silly petition. I hope you join me. I HEARTILY ENDORSE THIS SUBVERTED, INVERTED, otherwise silly, PETITION!

I think the petition is very true. Mr. Spencer is clearly attacking on islam by writing these sort of books etc. Why you are giving wrong references Mr. Spencer??? and also if you read the comments (from 70 to onwards, if not yet deleted by the petition writer) on the petition, you must say WOW! the lovers of Robert Spencer are showing their INNER beauty and their thoughts very beautifully by using such a mean language. And that is their true face.

Same is the case on this comments page here. One can easily compare the level of ethics of the two i.e one petition writers and other, who have posted their comments here and on the petition with false names.

writers of the petition have used soft and sophisticated language which is the right way to say anything. and on the other hand, comments on this page. i again have to say WOW.

confidential:

I think the petition is very true.

It isn't surprising that you would think so, since your email address is the email address of the author of the petition.

Mr. Spencer is clearly attacking on islam by writing these sort of books etc. Why you are giving wrong references Mr. Spencer???

I didn't give any wrong references. Bring your proof, if you be truthful.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Dear Mr. Irfan:

You simply cannot dinstinguish legitimate criticism and legitimate free speech and press from otherwise personal attacks. Whose Islam is being attacked? Yours? Usama bin Laden's? The late Nazi collaborator and persecutor of the Jews as Jews, Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini's?

You, sir, cannot distinguish the wheat from the tares, otherwise you would heed some of the dissenting voices you are so anxious to condemn and to censor entirely.

Dear Mr. Irfan Khan:

You simply cannot dinstinguish legitimate criticism and legitimate free speech and press from otherwise personal attacks. Whose Islam is being attacked? Yours? Usama bin Laden's? The late Nazi collaborator and persecutor of the Jews as Jews, Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini's?

You, sir, cannot distinguish the wheat from the tares, otherwise you would heed some of the dissenting voices you are so anxious to condemn and to censor entirely.

So, the "writers of the petition have used soft and sophisticated language," have they? This means, translated, that they collaborated to write a sophomoric petition in stilted English. They should not be surprised that their opponents see through this blanket condemnation of Robert Spencer. The conceit and arrogant distain of this petition's authors toward free speech, a free press, and freedom of thought, of conscience, and of religious expression is apparent.

i agree with u Confidential.
i have read the book of mr. spencer "the truth about....".

i have to say that the references, which Mr. Spencer gave in this book are invalid and does'nt exist. And those exist, they have been molded and altered with by Mr. Spencer.

This is a very shameful act. For those, who dont know about it, trust it.

Who exactly is Robert Spencer? He is the self proclaimed expert on Islam. Before 9/11 he was a writer for Catholic Magazines, but then after he comes talking about Islam being connected to terror. How did a little-known writer became famous in such a short time? Also after 9/11 numerous sources say he studied Islam for 20 years. Yet none of his articles before 9/11 even mention his studies in Islam or any religion at all. I know someone who used to frequent jihadwatch.org (his site). People were talking about bombing Mosques and taking the rights of Muslims (emphasis is mine), so jokingly he says 'Laszlo Pasztor', the Nazi who was/is a member of the Free Congress Foundation, which Spencer is also a member of, and he gets banned from posting on his site. Why did this happen amidst all these violent quotes, he gets banned for saying someone's name? One should also consider Weyrich's(high guy in the FCF) paper is called 'Why Islam is a threat to America and the West' and Spencer's book is called 'Onward Muslim Soldiers: How Jihad Still Threatens America and the West', what is up with the similar titles? Why is Spencer an Adjunct Fellow with the FCF, an organization in which it's founder, Weyrich is/was known to oppose Integration efforts in his book, The New Right Papers, and works with the Christian Right, did Spencer join for the sole purpose of making the hate not look like hate? Spencer says he does not hate Muslims, but most hate sites do not say they actually hate people, why is everyone promoting this guy when just about everyone else who says stuff like that would be called hateful? He continues to say this even though his site was published by Little Green Footballs which clearly shows hate of Muslims. Everyone knows that just because you say you do not hate people, does not mean that you don't hate people, so why do people say these hateful people are good?


What do you guys think? Is Spencer just another Muslim basher with actually very little clout? Or should the spotlight be put on him so he does not create people who think it is alright to shoot up mosques?

Please answer Mr. Spencer?

tania,

You do not really know how to write or to reason. Your comment is a formless rant, and your criticism or Mr. Spencer is based on fallacious ad hominem arguments. I think that your grasp of, your command of, the English language is atrociously bad, as well. English is not your native tongue, is it?

You claim to have read Robert's book. Which book? He has published six. You are repeating the words of others, not using your own. You do not back your claim that Spencer has used faulty, you just repeat a bald assertion.

Chief among Robert Spencer's references are the Qur'an, in its classical Arabic text, as well as several accepted and widely-used translations of it, including, most especially, translations made by native speakers of Arabic and by Muslims. Also, he refers at length to accepted aHadith by accepted Sahih compilers--Bukhari, Muslim, Ishaq, Tabari--and to Ibn Ishaq's Sirat and to other accepted Sirah. In addition, Spencer makes reference to classical Muslim interpreters of the Qur'an, as well as all the traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and to more recent Muslim commentators and to historic and current applications of Shari'ah. What fool would fail to see that these are genuine, credible sources?

Do you REALLY think your comments, or this vain, silly petition merit an answer? Nothing you can do or say can prevent the presentation and dissemination of the knowledge and ideas contained within Robert Spencer's books; niether can you shut down his website forums (at which you presume to speak); nor shall you ever deprive Robert Spencer--nor me and my fellows--of our God-endowed RIGHT and might TO SPEAK FREELY, TO PUBLISH, and TO EXPRESS, DEFEND, and EXTEND OUR DEEPEST-HELD VALUES AND CONVICTIONS. GOD--Reason Himself, Justice Himself, Mercy Himself, All-Love & All-Good Himself--Wills It.

tania,

You do not really know how to write or to reason. Your comment is a formless rant, and your criticism or Mr. Spencer is based on fallacious ad hominem arguments. I think that your grasp of, your command of, the English language is atrociously bad, as well. English is not your native tongue, is it?

You claim to have read Robert's book. Which book? He has published six. You are repeating the words of others, not using your own. You do not back your claim that Spencer has used faulty, you just repeat a bald assertion.

Chief among Robert Spencer's references are the Qur'an, in its classical Arabic text, as well as several accepted and widely-used translations of it, including, most especially, translations made by native speakers of Arabic and by Muslims. Also, he refers at length to accepted aHadith by accepted Sahih compilers--Bukhari, Muslim, Ishaq, Tabari--and to Ibn Ishaq's Sirat and to other accepted Sirah. In addition, Spencer makes reference to classical Muslim interpreters of the Qur'an, as well as all the traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence, and to more recent Muslim commentators and to historic and current applications of Shari'ah. What fool would fail to see that these are genuine, credible sources?

Do you REALLY think your comments, or this vain, silly petition merit an answer? Nothing you can do or say can prevent the presentation and dissemination of the knowledge and ideas contained within Robert Spencer's books; neither can you shut down his website forums (at which you presume to speak); nor shall you ever deprive Robert Spencer--nor me and my fellows--of our God-endowed RIGHT and might TO SPEAK FREELY, TO PUBLISH, and TO EXPRESS, DEFEND, and EXTEND OUR DEEPEST-HELD VALUES AND CONVICTIONS. GOD--Reason Himself, Justice Himself, Mercy Himself, All-Love & All-Good Himself--Wills It.

From above:
“Mr. Spencer is clearly attacking on islam by writing these sort of books etc. Why you are giving wrong references Mr. Spencer???

I didn't give any wrong references. Bring your proof, if you be truthful.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at May 14, 2008 6:51 AM”

Comments:-

‘The wrong references of Robert Spencer and the proofs ??? The big Question is? Will some body admit it ever that he is wrong?

The cleverness (Aqal) has many faces and the tracks-n-trails to turn to but ‘Ishq’ (the belief or say….‘vine’) is neither a Mullah, a priest nor a physician.

Pick up the case of ‘Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman’; Luke 7:36-37 that a sinful woman who found Jesus visiting as a guest at a dinner in her suburb; she manage to bring some alluring perfumes to lure the man after dinner and was able to mingle up and be intimate with Jesus. After seeing all this; the host, a Pharisees objected to it. He was very much perturbed and said that If Jesus claims to be the prophet he should know that what he is getting involved into entertaining a sinful women? If some one wants to build up a story and ignores the later parts of verses of Luke7: 44-48; the ill will pretender and evil minded people may take this very far; but this action of their will certainly be called a ‘mischief’.

Now here, if the subject verses of Luke7:36-37 are taken in isolation only as above; certainly one can claim that the narrator is not telling any lie and as per Robert Spencer usual Claim that; “I didn't give any wrong references. Bring your proof, if you be truthful.” Reference may not be wrong and can be called true also but only if considered in isolation and out of context. Who so ever pushes it further like this one as such is surely pushing it with evil intents.

Like wise it is glaringly evident from Robert's works that Robert Spencer and his aides picks-n- pluck any news or references from the books or saying of any odd cleric or street mullahs (how insignificance they may be) of any section from Islamic word. They spice it up and twist-n-turn at JW officialdom with an intent to malign Islam and put, display them on the ‘bills and banners’ like head lines of JW and then made it open for the comments for further ‘adornment’ of JW assemblage of few and is left open for their garnishing with mudslinging, filthy down trodden hurling of abuses etc. (Pick up any thread here on JW)

This is God's design that one is ought not to believe in His divinity and His prophets, till one is not fully convinced but you are not expected to go that down and cross the limits of total defiance.

Robert Spencer in his limited circle is claimed as a hall mark in possessing the knowledge of Islamic studies but probably he is not well versant with the teachings of Torah or the Bible? With the deep research and studies that he is putting in; how come one is not lead to the right path? This planet know only one thing that studies and researches make you humble and God fearing only. The branch which bears the fruit, always bows down.

Surely Robert is cultivating a crop of hatred. From his work, it shows that he is fear full of general awakening found in the Muslim world. Previously Muslims were subjected to dreadful and deceitful colonialism for a long, long time. The Muslim world finds that where as they used to consider the books of old denominations Torah and Bible as the old sacred book; the Quranic elaboration are full of parables of old with the clear warnings to stay away,where the olds went wrong. Quran also gives the validation and affirmation of the truth of old denomination. The admonishing found in Quran are all more than sufficient for them to keep the mankind on the path of righteousness; but they never knew that out of sheer envy the People like Robert Spencer who are being heftily funded by the vested parties are all out to blemish and malign the latest Commandments of Glorious Quran so that the monopoly and vested interests of the olds are safe guarded.

The pity is that Robert Spencer as a part of grand scheme of American 21st Century knowing all well is certainly doing it on purpose on the religious front and is seen all out with full illicit intensions to malign Islam so that love of God and belief is erased from the lives of common people. He very well knows that he is wrong but his life style and the benefits that he invariably draws and cherishes has driven him to worldly higher place and probably has suppressed and buried his inner soul,the conscious downs and downs in the darks.

This will be my endeavour to try my best to bring back his drowned conscious up to the surface and help him to see the light of freedom.

Sincerely
Adabarez

Note the omissions, above: "You do not back your claim that Spencer has used faulty [sources], you just repeat a bald assertion [that he does].

Aldabarez,

You offer a pair of verses in The Gospel According to Luke as an example of isolated verses that require their context to be properly understood, but you offer no examples of contextual errors or misinterpretations from Robert Spencer's works or writings as proofs of invalidity of his sources or of his misuse of sources. How can he answer bald assertions, except by pointing to the sum of his works? And Why should respond to these, such as the broad claims you wave at us in your grandstanding broadside of a missive, above?

You seem to think that he is alone in his opinions and conclusions. You fail to note or to explain the presence of many others of like views who say much the same things as Mr. Spencer--Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark Steyn, Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Fr. Zacharias, Wafa Sultan, Thomas Haidon, Andrew Bostom, Bat Ye'or--let others add to this this liberally--there is nothing peculiarly American about this, and if there be any "grand scheme" about, it has been framed and is being pursued and implemented by the heirs Hassan al-Bani, Sayyid Qutb, and Haj Amin al-Husseini.

Note omission above: "And Why should [he] respond to these, ..."

"...By the heirs [of] Hassan al-Bani, Sayyid Qutb, and Haj Amin al-Husseini."

"...People who think it is alright to shoot up mosques?" Really, tania, that is a baseless insinuation. And was there not, in recent memory, an armed take-over and shoot-out at the Grand Mosque in Mecca by Muslim fanatics?

A seizure that took place on November 20, 1979, resulting in 155 deaths and many wounded. Inshallah?

John C

Its not the question of english language.

Yes, english is not my native language.

And i wrote about the book "the truth about.."

Just answer one simple question, where was Mr. Spencer before 9/11 ??????


And also TRY to answer other questions which i raised in my question.


JW Is On A Special Assigned Mission

You don’t have to dig deep in the large rice cooking pan to know the state of cooked rice; the taste of single tiny bit of rice grain atop may reveal that how sumptuous and taste full the rice eatery is!

Robert Spencer work clearly shows that man is on a ‘special assigned mission’ to purport the Islamists as an enormous danger for the future of mankind and to build up scenario through media that Islamists bear awful designs to gain supremacy through coercion and carry out a forceful conversion of free western world into fold of Islam. Where as his studies consists of ‘pick-n-pluck’ for his ‘twist and turns’ can easily be dismissed because of their lack of academic seriousness; but his desperation clearly shows that man has a mission to designate, ‘Islam’ as enemy for wars to come. This may probably be a matter of surprise for him to know that Jihad (by sword as he purports) in his JW is totally not an Issue of Islam all together.

His work for sure reveals that Robert is totally not well versed with the divine theological applications in the fields of religion and that religion totally belongs to God Almighty and remains His domain all the times. If only he knows that from the very inception of our Modern religion that initial Word of god was revealed to our common father Abraham*, who imparted the early educations followed by Moses the teacher of Judaic. Judaic were later reared and groomed by the various mediatory prophets, till Jesus arrived with the well sought reformation plans. The earnest desire of God and utmost efforts of all the old Prophets has been to bring the mankind out of darkness and bestowed and bring up its conscious to its adult hood stage for their final exposition to embrace Islam; which is the final word Of God in the grand plan in God's religion. Islam is very much now there available in its complete form at its summit offering us the unique guidance for the mankind with its book of guidance - the Glorious Quran.

But here we find a riddle, a self created quagmire which needs a thorough thrashing to come to know the real problem and what is the real matter of contention of the day. Presently we all are living in an era where the last commandment of God in the form of Islam is here with us.
We see that where as Islam has unfurled its banners and is calling all others to come join in and get all togather under one flag the way God needs us to do.

There are many other remnants from the older denomination also but in the main stream of modern Abraham* religion; we have the God wrath stricken Jews that for last some 3000 years they could not find any peace and security in their lives till to day for their doings; the other most inspirational creed of the world are the Christian, who in the light of the fore told prophesy that they will be superseded in future; opted to defy the forth coming new commandments and have since devised various mythologies to monopolize the deity of God. They declared their reformer the Jesus*, the only source with whom the salvation of entire mankind rests. They ultimately devised the Myth of declaring Jesus a God (naoz billah).

Christian were the main part of the scheme in action before the final commandments were to be revealed for the completion in religion. Christian had to excel in all the spheres of life and advancements, of artisan and skills and surely they did. But where it went wrong was that in pursuance of their salvation mythologies and purported monopoly in deity; they ended up in subjugation and colonization of almost the entire glob by them. It was the atrocious colonial onslaught and rapacious greed of their to deprive the world, of the economic resources that this exercise was made to a grinding halt in the wake of Adolf Hitler adventurism of conceit to grab-n- rule the entire Europe (WW II).

Consequently, all the colonial powers were compelled to retreat and come back to save their home lands in Europe; but the old flames of colonial ambitions are again being re-kindled and a mass atrocious killings are again on in Middle East to regain the hegemony of west but probably this is a final call for the final Armageddon for which Robert Spencer is made to play a little part to designate Islam as enemy.

But Islam simply calls every one with out any hidden agenda to harkens and join in and get gather under the banner of God in Islam. Islam is the destiny of mankind but the people who have much more colonial like ambitions at stake i.e. Christian and others may offer vehement resistance to avert the plans. But; who has ever been successful to desperate the design of God.

Islam is our God’s design;, possibly what objection we could have to stay in the old ruts? Probably nil! Resist we may but to come to the terms and submit at the God Almighty will; this we have to.
----------
Adabarez
(* Allah blessings be with them all)

As an Ahmadi, Adabarez Khokar, most other Muslims deny that you are a Muslim at all, and many of them would kill you, and think that they were doing the will of God.

Why don't you practice what you preach, and submit to the will of God? So you prefer to adhere to your Ahmadiya convictions, rather than submit to "the will of God" that others profess?

And so it is, and so it shall be for the vast majority of Humanity, that they are beholden to individual conscience alone--rightly formed and guided, we pray--but sovereign above everything under God. Sovereign above spirits, even if they make themselves appear as if "Angels of Light"; sovereign over books, the Book, or a Book of books; sovereign over mere traditions of men--including Islamic traditions of men--venerated as if of God; sovereign over self-proclaimed prophets, who--judged by their works, as a tree by its fruits--reveal themselves among us; and sovereign over any who would usurp the power of men to govern themselves through just covenants and laws enacted through common assent.

O! Thus be it ever, when free men shall stand -- LAN ASTASLEM !!

All men are bound equally by the natural moral law, written in their hearts by their Creator; this Law was manifested and expounded upon by Jesus of Nazareth, who is a universal Teacher. All men are not, nor shall they ever be, bound by an arbitrary and capricious structure of haram and halal; inconsistent in its applications, divorced from an objective moral standard, and invidious in its unequal standards for the Muslim and for all others, for men and for women, for free and for slave. The True Law is consistent in its application as God Is consistent in His very Being.

The Qur'an is in error. God Is a provident Father to His creation, as He Is Providence Himself. And He deigns to enter into covenants with mere men. God is not bound; but He Is True to Himself, and abides by His covenants, though men break theirs.







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