Sounds a lot like university students stateside.
"Afghanistan: Secret Taleban cells spread lessons of jihad in Kabul University," by Jeremy Page for the Times, May 27 (thanks to all who sent this in):
To his professors and peers at Kabul University, Abdul is the epitome of a model student.The 21-year-old law undergraduate takes copious notes in class, always finishes assignments on time and hopes to become a teacher when he graduates.
What they do not know is that when class is over he spends his time on less wholesome activities - watching videos of bomb attacks on American troops and plotting to overthrow the Afghan Government.
Abdul is not just a Taleban sympathiser: he is a member of a secret Taleban cell at Kabul University that claims several hundred members and is a worrying new sign of the movement’s expanding influence. [...]
“I’ll fight until I die but I won’t do suicide because it’s forbidden in Islam,” said Abdul, who claims to have recruited nine other students.
It's interesting that other Taliban members don't hesitate in the same way.
The university cell illustrates how the influence of the Taleban has spread beyond its traditional support base in the south - and right to the heart of Afghanistan’s most prestigious educational institution and its largest with 12,000 students. It also shows how the movement appeals to educated young Afghans as well as the poor, illiterate farmers who make up the bulk of its fighting force.At the same time it suggests that the Taleban is divided between extremists, who target civilians and reject all forms of modernity, and relative moderates, who want development but oppose foreign troops. [...]
The pair also said that their leaders, while wanting to introduce Sharia, tolerated music, films, men without beards and women’s education.
They said that there was nothing moderate about their hatred of President Karzai and the international community, which they said had brought nothing but corruption to Afghanistan. “They haven’t done anything in seven years,” Javed said. “The international community isn’t here to bring peace and security, but to destroy our country and to kill Muslims.”
"The international community isn’t here to bring peace and security, but to destroy our country and to kill Muslims."
Nothing the International community will do will appease Islam and its Jihadis. It is and always will be that they will continue to fight for Islam and spread Islam. The rest of world is always against them as they perceive it from the point of the Islamic mindset. Their religion Islam calls for war and defeat of the Infidels.
“I’ll fight until I die but I won’t do suicide because it’s forbidden in Islam,” said Abdul, who claims to have recruited nine other students.
But what constitutes suicide?
Did Mohammed Atta fight until he died or was his death a suicide?
He won't do suicide, but he would probably consider martyrdom, right? All he has to do is tweak the definition of suicide a quarter turn and wala - now he's a martyr - allah approved and ready for destruction, Mohammadean style.
“They haven’t done anything in seven years,” Javed said."
I'll agree with him on that. How has Afghanistan improved one bit since Karzai took over? they're still choping off peoples heads for apostasy.
We should have supported the communist when they were in power. They would have done something real.
The allies should resolve to bring Buddhism back to Afghanistan. That would eliminate any ambiguity about who the good guys and bad guys are. And rebuild those statues.
It will be interesting to see what happens to this group in relation to the larger Taliban movement: It looks like they've been sold a bill of goods (and rather willingly), believing they can "resist" the "occupation" without furthering the mainline Taliban agenda, or dooming themselves to be subject to it where it is successfully implemented. And it is a question of "where," rather than "when," noting the areas of Afghanistan where the Taliban never went away, and how quickly others backslide in the absence of outside intervention.
The problem that these students are willfully overlooking is that no one tries -- no one dares -- to put limits on the scope of Sharia law a la constitutional limits on a government's power, for to do so to Allah's own law (and therefore Allah) would be blasphemous.
It is for this reason that any Sharia is always a slippery slope toward harsher, more literal implementation and more brutal punishment: The notion that it is ultimately Allah's will, however inconvenient, will discourage the believer from resisting, and encourage enforcement of every detail to the letter. Besides, the rulers can then argue, you wanted Sharia, didn't you?
When the students realize they've been used, what will they do? Will there be infighting between the Taliban and self-styled strains of Taliban Lite? More likely, they will go along with willing submission, for the reasons above.
Did Mohammed Atta fight until he died or was his death a suicide?
Posted by: PMK
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That was clearly suicide because his willful death was essential to the successful outcome of his mission. He knew in advance that his death would be inevitable and assuming he was of sound mental health - which is debatable for many reasons - this would clearly be defined as suicide.
Without a plan to overthrow the imperialistic and intolerant ideology of Islam and replace it with a secular government and Human Rights-based Constitution, this enterprise was doomed before it began.
Every day shows that the foundation determines the resulting structure.
One more dismal Sharia Prison state.
To be fair, they're probably doing the same across UK universities too.
"The pair also said that their leaders, while wanting to introduce Sharia, tolerated music, films, men without beards and women’s education."
what they say is in sharp contrast to what they do..
“They haven’t done anything in seven years,”
it depends what he means as "anything". bad news for the Taliban, when their students are introduced to Western style products, music, etc.
"Abdul is not just a Taleban sympathiser: he is a member of a secret Taleban cell at Kabul University that claims several hundred members..."
What would have happened in post war Germany if we allowed Mein Kampf to be openly taught to all Germans in all schools and churches, but we forbade the Krauts to kill themselves killing 'subhumans' or other enemies of the Reich while still studying how to establish the Reich?
Until we confront the volkishness of islam (ummah), the dictatorship of islam (sharia) or its islamic racism (kuffir), the West may lose this war in the clash of civilizations.
Islam is not just like generic fascism. Rather, islam is more like nazism. These students believe in the superiority of their ummah and intend to dominate nazi-like the human race. Muslims are therefore, more like nazis. The islamic nazis, their insidious allah, their zeitgeist and islamic values must be utterly destroyed and discredited.
That was clearly suicide because [Mohammed Atta's] willful death was essential to the successful outcome of his mission.
by Ummah Gummah
That means 99% of Muslim deaths in terror attacks are not Islamic. Muslims still celebrate them. No one condemns them. They are called martyrs.
Anyone who straps a bomb on his back or makes a bomb out of his vehicle (land or air) is un-Islamic. No one publicly condemns a single one of them.
Regarding David England's post above:
I have seen countless posts comparing islam to nazism, and obviously there are some similarities.
But islam is much, MUCH worse than nazism.
When the nazis conquered a country, they reduced whole populations to something very similar to slavery. That's bad.
When the muslims conquered a country, they wiped out whole populations. That's worse.
While the majority of Germans were not nazis, and probably didn't agree with what their government was doing, they went along with it anyway, out of fear and/or apathy. That's bad.
The overwhelming majority of muslims believe that we (The House of War) are evil incarnate, and that we must die. That's a lot worse.
And, bad as it was, nazism was only around for about twenty years. Islam has been a plague on humanity for fourteen centuries.