Surprise, surprise.
"Women must not marry non-Muslim European men, says imam," from AKI, June 25:
Rabat, 25 June (AKI) - An imam in Morocco's eastern city of Fez has said that marriages between Moroccan women and European men who are not Muslims are forbidden under Islam.
What a shock!
Each summer in Morocco, a growing number of local women are reportedly marrying young European men."This kind of marriage, between Moroccan women and European men, is forbidden by the Koran (the Muslim holy book) and the Sunna (the way or deeds of the Prophet Mohammed)," Sheikh Mohammed al-Tawil said in a TV interview.
"A Muslim woman may not marry an unbeliever while a Muslim man may marry Christian and Jewish women," he told Arabic satellite TV network al-Arabiya.
Since the man is in charge—of the household, children, but especially the woman—the wife’s religious identity (much like the rest of her identity), is a moot point anyway. Hence, Islam’s “tolerance” of the woman’s faith.
Moroccan women may however marry European men who convert to Islam shortly before the wedding, according to al-Tawil."Islam only required two witnesses for someone to be able to convert and such a marriage is valid," he said.
Easy enough for no doubt many a godless but “romantic” European man: get two Muslims, utter, “La illah ila Allah” and wham: onto the honey-moon (or honey-hilal).
"If a European then decides to abandon Islam, Mohammed's words apply to him: those who renounce their own religion must be killed, as they are an apostate."
Sounds much more poetic in Arabic: men irtad min deenu—fa-iqtallhu!
Each summer in Morocco, a growing number of local women are marrying young European men. Al-Tawil's position however contravenes the 2005 reforms of Moroccan family law (known as the Mudawana).
These reforms gave women greater freedom to choose their husbands and made it easier for a foreigner to marry a Moroccan woman.
Notice how these last two paragraphs suggest that the Mudawana allowed for Muslim women to marry “young European men” and that it gives them “greater freedom to choose their husbands,” but nowhere in this article does it clearly state that the Mudawana allowed Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. Odd that.
Death for apostasy is a high price to pay for an expedient fake conversion just for the sake of a momentary romantic and sexual thrill. I think I'll skip that if ever tempted. Bur ah...some of those Moroccan women! Alas, discretion is all.
It is instructive to see what this rule -- Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men -- does to narrow the marriage possibilities for intelligent (that is, disaffected but not yet entirely so) Muslimahs in the West, the kind who are quietly, privately disturbed by what they have come to understand, in the free West, what is so wrong with Islam, but still are tied to it by vestigial filial piety, or even a diseased, misplaced civilizational loyalty.
Their parents, their relatives, their community all insist that they marry Muslim men, or insist that the men they marry embrace Islam. Once upon a time -- ten years ago, even five years ago -- there might have been men willing to do this. But once the full horror of Islam, the mental submission it requires, is understood, most Infidel men will simply not agree as they might once more readily have done. Even if a girl is pretty, and outwardly charming, the mind-forged manacles of Islam disturb, and who would, nowadays, what Western man, would wish to raise his children as Muslims, especially if one has high hopes for their mental development, their possible achievements in art or in science?
And so the girl, if she insists on a husband who has agreed to convert (or "revert") is left high and dry. And since those Muslimahs -- those who do not go the whole way and simply jettison Islam altogether -- represent the most advanced women, and very likely those with the highest I.Q. in the general Muslim population, many will find themselves left only with the alternative of marrying a Muslim man, and that may very well mean a man who now, or in the future, will take seriously the attitudes toward women that Islam naturally encourages, or even inculcates. And what woman who, having lived in the West, and not one of those Western female reverts (with all sorts of psychic disarray), would voluntarily marry such a man, have children by such a man, raise those children within the Total Belief-System of Islam?
One wonders whether there has been more than anecdotal evidence about the marriage prospects of intelligent Muslimahs, born through no fault of their own into Islam and, living in the West, where they have seen how women are granted legal equality, and seen how women are treated, are now deeply unhappy with Islam, but also afraid to jettison it, for fear of being ostracized by their families (or worse, much worse), and desperate to find a man who somehow will have none of the attitudes that Islam inculcates, but nonetheless be a Muslim. It's a tall order.
And meanwhile many of the families will, especially in Western Europe, attempt to solve the problem by shipping their daughters of marriageable age back to Pakistan or the Arab lands where they can be forcibly married to someone -- a nephew, an old man from the same community or village who will pay well for the privilege, or someone with whom the family made an arrangement long ago -- who will not pose a problem. Not all of the girls involved are willing to endure this, and their attempts to somehow escape can lead to all sorts of misery, mistreatment, and even murder. Disobedient girls are treated harshly.
What highly intelligent Muslimah, living in the West, and possibly groping her way along the same mental journey undertaken by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and many others, but not yet quite there, would like to marry a Muslim man who took his Islam seriously or -- still more worrisome -- condemn her children to being raised up in this Total Belief-System?
Just one more exhibit in the case that Islam looks at marriage as a conquest of a woman by a man - nothing more, nothing less. Therefore, when an Infidel woman marries a Mohammedan, it's something to be celebrated, since her womb is now a breeding ground/tilth for future Mohammedans, whereas if a Muslimah were to offer herself in marriage to a infidel, that would be the annexation of those 5 square inches of dar ul Islam to bilad ul Kafir, and we just can't have that, can we?
Hugh;
Your comment above shows not just a full understanding of the issue, but a deep and rare compassion.
Well said. Thank you.
Hey, is this the route Grover Norquist took in becoming a moslem?
By the way, Frank Gaffney wrote quite an article on Frontpage Magazine about Grover Norquist and how he's managed to get some people into government positions.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=C7CD908B-6D7E-49EB-A0A9-DA0A18745A29
Biological jihad.
If Muslim women are permitted to leave Islam, there will be no Islam very quickly..The Muslim Men know this to be true..
Ahhh yes! Here we have a facet of the Islamic ethos that is stark and indefensible....a clear-cut example of both religious supremacism and gender discrimination. For that reason, an article like this is a good candidate to go out to family and friends...another vehicle to attempt to move the intellect and emotions of the recalcitrant among them.
I would love to see the Southern Baptist or the Vatican come out and say this. Oh, my god, the avalanche of media that would occur.
But silence because if a reporter brings this into the MSM the reporter will most likely be threatened, terrorized, or killed.
Evidence that terror is already winning, when we censor what we would have said in anticipation of the fallout.
Thank you Eve,anne gelical for the link to the article exposing Grover Norquists activities against the United States.
Some time ago an acquaintance had brought up Norquists famous quote about drowning the United States in debt in order to weaken it, I was amazed that any person who has any sort of love of country would ever express such hateful treasonous remarks so openly and still retain the amount of influence he has.
That article is a bombshell and should be read by any persons who have swallowed the Norquist brand of conservatism, UNknowing what else it contained.
Interesting. The imam would not have made the statement if he did not feel there was a "problem" worth addressing.
Morocco has a population of over 34 million. According to the article linked to there were 6000 marriages between Moroccans and foreigners (the implication is that a large number of these were infidel Europeans) in 2007. While most (4,320) were Moroccan men marrying out and it is true that men dominate the family structure in Islamic culture, you still have a lot of voluntary mixed marriages.
After two decades of 6000 such marriages a year you would have 120,000 Moroccans who are or were married to Europeans. You would also have a large number of children who had been born into mixed households, the earliest of which would be entering adulthood. They will also have grown up watching satellite TV, music videos, Hollywood movies and Internet porn. They will have had access to information on comparative religion and as much opinion critical of their religion as favorable.
Now 120,000 marriages might not sound like it would have much of an impact on a nation of 34 million (assuming the 6,000 marriages remains steady over 20 years and does not increase with increased travel and communication) but they will probably be more common in urban regions where their social networks and market influence is concentrated.
If I were an imam I would be worried about this trend too. The more complex a society becomes the harder it is to manipulate them on a useful scale. You can still whip up a fury among the true believers but much of the flock starts to drift.
Alaskan 1000: Actually, most serious Christians take seriously Paul's injunction that we be not unequally yoked with unbelievers. This is usually taken to refer to marriage with non-Christians. In Paul's teaching, there is the understanding that a couple married prior to becoming Christian may have one member becoming a Christian while the other does not. In such cases, the believer is not supposed to leave the unbeliever. But if one is already a Christian, he or she should find a spouse from among other Christians. Most religions like their people to marry within the fold in order to build community.
The problem I see for the European men mentioned in the article is that they probably approach religious committments as mere formalities that can be discarded at will. Yet they will certainly find that the Ummah takes itself far more seriously than secularized Europeans do.
Guys; I got NEWS for you.. OUR women not only look much better, they are also way more open-minded and sophisticated.
The fact that YOUR women want to marry US is that they want to GET OUT of your islamic HELLHOLES!!
They want to meet NICE loving men who they know will respect them and treat them like HUMANS asnd not like cattle!!
You islamofascists are in dire need of INTROSPECTION!!!
WE do not need your women, fools!!
We got plenty GREAT women of our OWN!!
MU--AHHH to all my beautiful Western Sisters worldwide!!
Infidel Pride
You are correct. Islam is not concerned about any marriage partner's happiness. All is cares about is -- Will this womb be producing Muslims or non Muslims. Islam heartily approves of Muslim men marrying infidel women who take pre marriage vows to turn Muslim. This means another womb producing Muslims
But a Muslim woman cannot marry an infidel. Muslims will take no chances with her children being brought up Christian or Jewish etc. Not only does Islam lose a womb but the infidels get more children on their side to outnumber Muslims
The first rule of Jihad is to make demographic warfare on the infidel
Infidel Pride
You are correct. Islam is not concerned about any marriage partner's happiness. All it cares about is -- Will this womb be producing Muslims or non Muslims. Islam heartily approves of Muslim men marrying infidel women who take pre marriage vows to turn Muslim. This means another womb producing Muslims
But a Muslim woman cannot marry an infidel. Muslims will take no chances with her children being brought up Christian or Jewish etc. Not only does Islam lose a womb but the infidels get more children on their side to outnumber Muslims
The first rule of Jihad is to make demographic warfare on the infidel
Under that burqa and headscarf there are a lot of fat slobs and totally out of shape Muslim women. They never get any exercise since they are made domestic slaves. Husband will never allow them to go to a gym.
Being cooped up in the house also leads to overeating due to frustration and depression. Their mind regresses to the level of their babies and children they are minding and interacting with all day long. And the Koranic rules keep their mind simple and dull
Since Western women aren't all covered up they do their best to get their hair done, to look beautiful and to stay in shape. Muslim women can and do let themselves go.
"Under that burqa and headscarf there are a lot of fat slobs and totally out of shape Muslim women."
Is that what muslim women mean when they say the burqa is "liberating" for women?
No need to shave your legs, wash and style your hair, retain a shapely figure....
“Easy enough for no doubt many a godless but “romantic” European man: get two Muslims, utter, “La illah ila Allah” and wham: onto the honey-moon (or honey-hilal).
Sounds much more poetic in Arabic: men irtad min deenu—fa-iqtallhu!”This is hilarious! It sounds ‘more poetic’ in Arabic? Ha ha ha ha! LOL What rot.
What male non-member of this Allah Cult would be fool enough to fall for this? Then it's 'death for apostasy' if he changes his mind? Alas, there are fools out there a plenty who don't think with their heads but with you know what...
Im no Dhimmi: Take a look-see at "themuslimwoman.com." Muslims women have to be very concerned about their hygiene and hair removal: THey have to PLUCK out their ARMPIT hairs and shave their pubes. Leg shaving is optional and eyebrow removal is absolutely VERBOTEN, I mean, haram.
Muslim men have to shave their scrotums and get rid of hair around their anuses...Yuck. More information than I wanted. (from another website but I had to mention it). I can't get the image of scruffy old Yassar Arafat out of my mind. Was he possibly cleaner shaven on his privates??!!!
What I don't understand is the practice of "ghusl" which is when all parts of the body are thoroughly washed. It is required after marital intercourse (and other instances) but not, apparently BEFORE sexual intercourse. In MY house, things are the exact opposite, thank you very much. We bathe beforehand and then bask later...
They marry these men for a better life in Europe - which - strangely enough - they call the Paradise.
These are not marriages of love - the family sees that their daughter has a better chance in life and they allow her to marry the non-Muslim foreigner. If he was a foreigner from a poor country - believe me - that marriage wouldn't be allowed.
And yet muslim men may marry non-muslim women. I guess that's because women in islam don't count so it's ok to marry a non-muslim woman and beat her into converting. Or they think that we treat our women as property and by marrying a non-muslim woman they are somehow "taking" them from us. Pretty sad really. They really are stuck in the dark ages.
Can't wait for feminism to take hold of islam, that should be interesting to watch.
Come on ladies burn your Burkhas!
Does anyone have a list of the problem children, i.e., jihadi troublemakers here in the U.S.? I am working on a little project and need that information. I know a couple of years ago somebody had a website where you could go and put in a name and see what kind of mischief they were getting into. That would be helpful too. Thanks for your help.