There are so many people all over the world who would happily arrest him, the maker of Fitna has to take this seriously. There were few riots over Fitna, but as I wrote here, Islamic supremacists are this time pursuing a different strategy, and seeking laws criminalizing what they perceive as insults to Islam.
Free Speech Death Watch Update: "Jordan court wants Wilders arrested," from Dutch News, June 20 (thanks to Hans):
The maker of the controversial film Fitna, anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders, is afraid that he might be arrested while travelling abroad following a ruling by a court in Jordan earlier this week, reports Friday’s Volkskrant.A group calling itself The Messenger of Allah Unites Us (which was behind a call for a boycott of Dutch products in Jordan earlier this year) has called for an international arrest warrant against Wilders accusing him of racism, inciting hatred and insulting Islam and Muslims, reports the paper....
A group calling itself The Messenger of Allah Unites Us (which was behind a call for a boycott of Dutch products in Jordan earlier this year) has called for an international arrest warrant against Wilders accusing him of racism, inciting hatred and insulting Islam and Muslims, reports the paper....
I call for an international arrest warrant against the group The Messenger of Allah Unites Us, an obviously criminal group which seeks to eliminate freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
Heck, they're named after a criminal; I guess we should expect this sort of thing from them.
'..international arrest warrant...'
If these bastards had our power........
I thought this was a leaked Saturday Night Live sketch.....
As soon as this kind of thing happens, the government of the most immediately affected country -- in this case, The Netherlands -- and its allies, in this case the members of NATO -- should demand that the government of the country in which the group or groupuscule making such demands or such threats take action against the group, round up all of its members, and hold them, and charge them with making such unacceptable threats, and then imprisoned for a long time. It is they who should be forced to worry, not Western critics and analysts of Islam.
And if the governments of the West do not show suc h intelligent solidarity? Then the peoples in the Western countries should do what they can to force their elites, political and media, who presume to protect and to instruct them, into such action.
And if the government in question (in this case Jordan) does not do as suggested? Let that government, let its people, be given notice: no more tourists to Petra, the red-rose city half as old as time. No more favored nation-status for Jordan, so that Arab factory owners can ruthlessly exploit, as they now do, non-Arabs who are brought in to work in those factories, and frequently given no or little pay, but the Arab owners make out not like gangbusters, but like the criminal gang members they are. No more media and book tours by Queen Noor or Rana, no more of Abdullah's plans to build a "Jordanian version of Deerfield" in Amman. And, of course, no more aid -- none -- to a country whose government will not take action against those who threaten Western men exercising hard-won Western freedoms, in Western countries, not idly but in order to inform, and using, soberly, nothing (save for one line) the undoctored starly telling texts of Islam itself.
Those who helped to fashion those imperilled Western freedoms, which we associate with the Enlightenment in France, and also includes Locke and Hume, in the end goes back earlier, to Spinoza and to what may be called the Dutch origins of the Enlightenment, but it really goes all the way back through the history of the West.
And those who made the civilization of the West are sitting in heavenly committees, and watching in silent reproach, horrified at the hell which, by slow degrees, we are allowing others, not part of that West, but adhering rather, as "slaves of Allah" (exhibiting that mental servitude to Infidels in various ways, or attempting to suavely hide or camouflage it) to an aggressive and permanently unassuagable desire to refashion all other, non-Muslim legal and political institutions, and social arrangements, and above all to do away with that mental autonomy and respect for the individual that the collectivist faith of Islam has no use for, a faith, by the way, that remains wedded to the unchanged, and unchanging, texts, and therefore tenets, and therefore atttitudes, and atmospherics, that have remained the same for 1350 grim years.
islamists and women in burkas offend me, and so lets arrests all islamists who offend us in the West.
Lets have a Gingrinch Welfare Reform towards those
ungrateful islamists countries who would rather make murderous belts bombs, bomb making factories among civilians , ie Jordan, Egypt, etc.Let their rich Sunni Saudi share their wealth. where is all that brotherly love among their muslim population? Let the Arab Muslim feed, clothe, and care for their poor people. Welfare reform will divert their attention to actual well being, less money for their murderous rampage.
"There were few riots over Fitna, but as I wrote here, Islamic supremacists are this time pursuing a different strategy, and seeking laws criminalizing what they perceive as insults to Islam."
And if I know our gutless Western leaders, their strategy will probably work, and they'll get the laws they want.
How in the world have we let things come to this?
I just saw this "analogy" on another site.
Can someone tell me what's wrong with it?
"To say that Islam is terrible because women are murdered or beaten for not wearing hijab is the same as saying that Catholicism is terrible because of a minority of priests who have abused children."
I'd say Mr. Wilders is in more danger of being murdered than being arrested. May all the powers of good keep him safe.
"To say that Islam is terrible because women are murdered or beaten for not wearing hijab is the same as saying that Catholicism is terrible because of a minority of priests who have abused children."
Posted by: darcy
Seriously? Or were you being facetious?
Just in case it was the former: This analogy fails because Islam advocates as sunnna (Sharia law) the murder and beating of "disobedient" women, whereas the Catholic Church is appalled by priests who have abused children.
In Catholocism, the abuse of children is not part of the religious doctrine.
In Islam, the abuse of anything or anyone more helpless than yourself is permissible, and if you happen to be a male, it is considered to be part of the religion.
Is there such a thing as an international arrest warrant?
I'm a dummy, when it comes to international laws, but I do know some countries won't extradite people who are wanted to answer for crimes, in another country.
Please tell me this, an international arrest warrant, is just Mainstream Muslim hot air, and not a reality. If it's a reality, I may never sleep again!
"The Messenger of Allah Unites Us"?
Not Allah, himself? Allah isn't very useful, is he? He's a torture-and-murder-them-yourself kind of god, I suppose.
"The Messenger of Allah Unites Us"?
...Oh you mean the Devil himself.
The very countries whose citizens are being threatened with arrest for "insulting Islam" are the ones who gave us "universal jurisdiction" - the idea that any country can arrest anyone anywhere for offenses deemed to be "crimes against humanity". We have given the Islamists the rope they would hang us with.
How can Belgium, with its "Law of Universal Jurisdiction"; Britain, which arrested Pinochet; and all other politically correct countries tell anyone else that Geert Wilders, Robert, Hugh, or anyone of us cannot be arrested for crimes against Islam? I hold out little hope that Jordan or any other country that tries this would be dealt with in the manner Hugh suggests. Iran is a valued trading partner to many Western countries, despite its criminal leadership and its crimes against international law that are nearly three decades old.
Amnesty International's position is that certain crimes pose so serious a threat to the international community as a whole, that states have a logical and moral duty to prosecute an individual responsible for it; no place should be a safe haven for those who have committed genocide, crimes against humanity, extrajudicial executions, war crimes, torture and forced disappearances.
Geert Wilders is guilty of none of the aforementioned offenses but surely the original proponent of "universal jurisdiction" is none other than Islam. People like Wilders pose a threat to the preeminence of Islam in much of the world. Universal jurisdiction applies, as far as they're concerned. AI and other groups, along with many public officials and even private citizens in both the US and Europe would prefer that the Danish cartoons, Fitna, Theo van Gogh's movie and other "offenses" to Islam could just go away. They don't want trouble and they are prepared to sacrifice everyone's freedom just to avoid a little unpleasantness.
Let's also call "laws criminalizing insults to Islam" what they really are: SHARIA.
Can I sue Islam? It's book teaches things that hurt my feelings. They refer to me by a derogatory name -"kaffir"- just because I don't believe what they do. My feelings are hurt and now I want to sue to get laws passed the will stop them and to make sure that they don't keep doing it.
Seriously? Or were you being facetious?
Just in case it was the former: This analogy fails because Islam advocates as sunnna (Sharia law) the murder and beating of "disobedient" women, whereas the Catholic Church is appalled by priests who have abused children.
I was being serious, Abscedere. Of course I thought of the above, but I also wanted input from others. Here is something else I thought of: Yes, some priests have abused children. But, is anyone so naive to think that imams and clerics haven't? Of course they have. Priests are men, so are imams and clerics. Another reason why the "analogy" fails.
darcy,
Those who were molested by priests came forward. When Muslim girls, and even their mothers, don't see what is done to them as abuse and see nothing wrong with daughters being given away in marriage by age 13, who is going to come forward?
We allow, even if we don't condone, homosexual behavior and relationships. This made it possible for the priesthood to become a haven for gay men.
Given Islam's teachings against homosexuality, isn't it more likely that the offenders will be killed before anything comes to light? There's no one to sue and no one to bring suit.
The relationships with underage females aren't a problem. Islam allows them all. No female is underage for a Muslim man. No one could claim abuse without being labeled an apostate.
Catholicism doesn't condone or even allow for such behavior. There are always sinners but what they do is not sanctioned by church doctrine - the difference between Christianity and Islam.
Islam driven by the tenants of the Quran and its sharia law remains an insult to all Western cultures, and to ignore and suppress that fact is to deny the very culture of the West.
Geert Wilders film allowed for Muslims to do all the talking,and all the acting out of the virulent teachings of Mohammed,his film was made up of video clippings without any fabrications.
To put out and arrest warrant for Wilders you migh as well put out and arrest warrant for 70 percent of the worlds population (still don't get the race part yet however?).
If you suppress freedom of speech,freedom of choice,freedom of expression and all the other freedoms that western societies enjoy,then the real human spirits boat is left sitting in dry dock, or tied to the dock and to fearful to venture out.
Geert Wilders did not have to do what he did, he could have comfortably kept to himself and not made waves, but he felt compelled tp speak out because he has seen the affliction that is the cult of fundamental Islam and bravely refuses to ignore it.
the EU TRIED TO GET A
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2004/
jan/01euro-arrest-warrant.htm
international arrest warrant PASSED but holand is not part of the international courts bs
so this is just mud-lim hot air
As we already know, a Dutch court ruled on Mr. Wilders behalf--that he was not promoting hate.
http://europenews.dk/en/node/9069
So far what he has done is not a criminal act-but give it time.
This and many other events that have transpired in the Netherlands, is the reason why next year, my Dutch husband (who will be an American citizen)will be burning his Dutch Passport.
international arrest warrant PASSED but holand is not part of the international courts bs
so this is just mud-lim hot air
by crusader
You miss the point. Wilders is safe as long as he stays in the Netherlands. An international warrant would allow another country, like Britain, to arrest him if traveled there. Britain did a similar move with Augusto Pinochet.
Should Wilders be restricted to Holland, and maybe a handful of countries that would toss that warrant in the trash where it belongs, just because the people of the Islamic world can't tolerate free speech?
I'm calling for an international 'pat on the back' for Geert Wilders. If you see him, give him one.
I'd like to see an International Bill of Rights including:
1.) Freedom of Speech
2.) Freedom of Religion
3.) The Right to Self-Defense
4.) Freedom of Association
Let them come and try to "arrest" him. Holland is a NATO country after all.
Do they really propose to invade Holland?
England is just across the channel and German and France are also nearby.
So are countless American GIs stationed across Europe.
I have no doubt the Dutch can repel a naval assault by Jordan with their little finger.
These moFoes are just so damn full of themselves!
Might be a blessing if they tried.. might help some of our European politicians grow a pair.
They're all fairly neutered these days.
Look at Sarko.. WHAT a colossal JOKE!!
What happened to the Kärcher, Sarko?!
Mackie wrote:
Geert Wilders film allowed for Muslims to do all the talking,and all the acting out of the virulent teachings of Mohammed,his film was made up of video clippings without any fabrications.
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Quite right. Of course, JW just cites mainstream news stories and jihadists' own words, and that doesn't prevent many from refering to Robert Spencer as an "Islamophobe".
Similarly, Mark Steyn was hauled before British Columbia's absurd "Human Rights Council" on the charges of "inciting hatred"--by noting the words of Islamic radicals. Do we see a pattern here?
This trial has been shameful and grotesque. I also fear that we will someday find a Geert Wilders, or a Kurt Westergaard, or a Fleming Rose hauled before one of these Islamic kangaroo courts--after being seized while making an ill-considered trip abroad--and sentenced to lashings or death for "insulting the Prophet".
The West should be condemning this sort of thing most strenuously, and make it clear that there will be fearful ramifications for any nation that contemplates trying this.
On the other hand, given the weak international response to the Mohammed teddy bear case--where no offense was intended and groveling appologies immediately offered--I'm not sure how many will stand up for principled critics like Wilders.
Since when is it a criminal act to insult someone's religion? Christians and Jews are insulted all the time and no one is sitting in prison for it.
"Islam driven by the tenants of the Quran" --posted above.
Tenets. Not tenants who rent or lease from a landlord.
"Geert Wilders did not have to do what he did, he could have comfortably kept to himself and not made waves, but he felt compelled to speak out because he has seen the affliction that is the cult of fundamental Islam and bravely refuses to ignore it." --Mackie
That is SO right. Brave Geert Wilders. Like Robert Spencer.
I have communicated with my Prime Minister - and with the Leader of the Opposition, and my Federal Representative, as well - arguing forcibly that, in order to publicly affirm, in the plainest possible way, our nation's support for the principles of Freedom of Conscience and Freedom of Speech, our government should issue an invitation to Mr Geert Wilders to visit us and address Parliament, exactly as he did in Denmark.
I urge that all other Australians lurking and posting here, should do the same. Ask your Federal MP, and the PM, and the Leader of the Opposition, to invite Geert Wilders to Australia as an official guest of the Australian government, and as a serving member of a sister democracy, to address Parliament (and preferably, also, the National Press Club, and the officers in training at Duntroon Military College). Be aware that the Muslim lobby are probably also busily writing letters to urge that he be vilified and kept out.
Canadians, citizens of the USA, citizens of New Zealand, do likewise: ask your government to invite him as an honoured guest.
He could fly El-Al, in order to be safe from Mohammedan assassins and wannabe snatchers.
"Insulting Islam"? Islam is an insult to every free thinking person in the world.
Almost all Arabs should be arrested for insulting Jews and other infidels everyday!