Jordanian group wants Wilders tried over Fitna

Free Speech Under Assault Update. First the Jordanians demanded the Motoonists, and now Wilders. “Jordan group wants Dutch MP tried over ‘anti-Islam’ film,” from AFP, June 10 (thanks to Morgaan Sinclair):

AMMAN (AFP) “” Some 30 Jordanian media outlets filed an official complaint on Tuesday seeking court action against far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders over a film judged anti-Islamic.

Wilders is “far-right” the way I am “far-right”: not because of any position we have taken on any issue other than the Islamization of the West. Opposing that makes one “far-right.”

The organisations, who have set up a group called “Campaign for the Prophet”, said in a statement they had lodged their complaint with the Amman prosecutor.

One of the group’s lawyers, Tarek Hawamdeh told AFP that the action was “based on the (film’s) violation of publishing laws which ban insults against religions and attacks against Islam and the prophets”, punishable by a jail term of three years.

The lawyer said the prosecutor “will hear on Wednesday the arguments of those who have started the judicial process and of witnesses”. He said he hoped this would lead to a court “order for Wilders to appear”….

Watch Fitna here.

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  1. says

    Spencer: ‘Wilders is “far-right” the way I am “far-right”: not because of any position we have taken on any issue other than the Islamization of the West. Opposing that makes one “far-right.”‘

    While I agree with the second part of that, there’s no getting around the fact that there are plenty more good reasons to call Wilders “far-right”. It’s a shame virtually only this character comes out among Dutch politicians; gives the Dutch a good excuse to disregard him when he’s right.

  2. says

    Spencer: ‘Wilders is “far-right” the way I am “far-right”: not because of any position we have taken on any issue other than the Islamization of the West. Opposing that makes one “far-right.”‘

    While I agree with the last part of that, there’s no getting around the fact that there are plenty more good reasons to call Wilders “far-right”. It’s a shame virtually only this character comes out among Dutch politicians; gives the Dutch a good excuse to disregard him when he’s right.

  3. says

    Does anyone know if there is a Legal Defense Fund for this and/or any other frivilous lawsuits that may be generated in the future?

    I guess I’d rather have a lawsuit than blood in the streets. If the Muslims want to play this way, we should be able to beat them hands down. After all, we are the most litigious society in the world and have some of the best lawyers. Where are the lawsuits against Saudi Arabia, for example, for banning the free practice of religions other than Islam? Where are the lawsuits against the unequal treatment of women? Discrimination against gays? With the material that Islam provides, we should be able to overwhelm them in the courtroom.

  4. says

    Somehow it seems worthy of comment that the originators of this action were not imams or lawyers or the department of safeguarding virtue, but “media outlets” themselves: “Some 30 Jordanian media outlets filed an official complaint on Tuesday …”

  5. says

    I am sure Wilder will drop everything, appear in Amman court, and willingly submit to punishment.
    Those Jordanian media outlets already know he is guilty, but want him in Jordan where he can be publicly punished. Is Jordan one of those ‘enlightened’ Mid East countries that have the death penalty for insulting Mohammad or Islam? If not, they can always throw him to the ever present mob.

  6. says

    “…a group called “Campaign for the Prophet”,

    LOL! Can I laugh, or what?!

    The megalomania of these people is astounding.

  7. says

    “…Which links the holy Koran with terror attacks, …” Why does AFP have to be so bloody deferential? I’m sick of dhimmitude and resultant Muslim trunculence and gall.

  8. says

    The demands of the Jordanian are ridiculous but wait a few more years. There will be more outrageous demands by Muslims in our very own countries that was founded by non-Muslim fathers. And the PC crowd will cave in to their demands

  9. says

    The leader of the “Campaign for the Prophet” group, Zakaria Al-Sheikh, runs a news agency devoted to spewing out anti-Western and anti-Israeli propaganda.

    Its website Fact International is crowing about the lawsuits, and claims that it marks “the first legal step towards an international law criminalising anyone who insults Islam and Mohammed”.

    As is usual for Islamist nutjobs, he sees the Motoons episode and Geert Wilders efforts as evidence of a wider Big Jewish Plot. He tells his readers:

    “We need a law that protects humanity from an extremist plan aimed at destroying the world for the interests of a particular group that has enormous influence in the world”.

    The campaign will today also announce its plans for a boycott of Danish and Dutch products, and claims that it is co-ordinating its efforts with groups in other Arab and Muslim countries.

    Helpfully, the website features a graphic of products from these countries. This is intended to aid counter-jihadists who may wish to reach into their pockets to show solidarity with these two nations.

    I’m off to buy some Lego.

    Matamoros (original one)

  10. says

    “We need a law that protects humanity from an extremist plan aimed at destroying the world for the interests of a particular group that has enormous influence in the world”.

    The projection continues. Muslims continue to accuse others of plotting what they are executing at that very moment.

    This sounds like a law that would protect the world from Islam. We definitely need THAT!

    Here’s hoping the Danes respond by withdrawing any and all aid from Muslim nations.

  11. says

    With the material that Islam provides, we should be able to overwhelm them in the courtroom.

    Posted by: George Mc.

    But what court would hear it and what tangible benefits would it bring? Even in cases where individuals suffered, such as the hostages in Iran, any verdict in their favor could only be paid with assets available to a Western jurisdiction.
    You’d need someone in Saudi Arabia to bring a lawsuit claiming unequal treatment for women. Where would he do it? The US government has no say over what happens in Saudi Arabia.
    The only courtroom they can be overwhelmed in is that of public opinion and too many people are afraid to make their feelings be known, lest they be marked as “far-right” or “infidel” or “apostate”.

  12. says

    “We need a law that protects humanity from an extremist plan aimed at destroying the world for the interests of a particular group that has enormous influence in the world”….

    …And who might they be???

    >>>>>

    “…a group called “Campaign for the Prophet”,

    LOL! Can I laugh, or what?!…

    Actually darcy, this fills me, nabi ZK (pbum), with fury. I, nabi ZK (pbum), don’t find this garbage funny anymore. nabi ZK (pbum) wants to immediately insult “The prophet” and”islam” when I read this tripe. There I, nabi ZK, just did.

    nabi ZK (pbum)

  13. says

    given the pc climent in Holland these muslim nuts just might getaway with this nonsense despite jordaian sharia law is only valid in jordan if the pull this off it will be the end of free speech in the west

  14. says

    Actually we need a law to protect US against THEIR extremist plan!
    Back in April, the Dutch Islamic Federation suffered a major blow when The Hague found Wilders ‘NOT GUILTY” of spreading hate in his film. I guess they are still shopping around for someone to hear their cries….
    The Dutch Parliament is anxious to throw Wilders under the bus and is looking for any reason to do so. A brilliant Dutch Historian suddenly discovered after 2 years that Wilders Party Logo is very simular to that of the NSB (1931-1945)
    see here: http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2008/06/netherlands-gull-debate.html

  15. says

    Where exactly do “publishing laws” ban attacks on religion? Not in the Netherlands, to the best of my admittedly limited knowledge.

    No one living in any Western country can possibly have failed to notice that, while Islam is rapidly becoming untouchable, and Buddhism attracts a kind of dewy-eyed sentimentality, Christianity comes in for “attack” on a regular basis.

    Threatened it may be, but to date the principle is still in place and has the force of law in the Western world that freedom of expression takes precedence over respect for religion. That’s how we got rid of the Inquisitions, and the Index of Forbidden Books, and the autos-da-fé.

    If Islam wants to be part of the West, it should learn that. If it wants to be part of a world community, it should learn that. If it wants to impose itself on the entire world as the only true religion which owes no deference of any kind to anything other than itself, I guess it needn’t learn that. In that case WE should be learning something.

  16. says

    “Far-right” = media-speak for “drives on sidewalks, scares children, barks at strangers’ dogs, and makes Cratchit work on Christmas.”

  17. says

    The ideology of Islam does not believe in free speech just like communism and fascism. Like the other two ideologies they prefer to silence their critics. Hitler would silence his critics by a firing squad, Stalin with the gulag and CAIR with frivolous lawsuits. Do you see the connection of Islam defined as an ideology other than a religion?

  18. says

    If we westerners were to agree with the Jordanians on this issue of prosecution of Wilders for making Fitna, then the Jordanians should also agree to prosecute the Iranian goverment for their ‘counter-Fitna’ movie that was an attemted slam of Christianity.

    If muslims want prosecution, then they should be willing to be prosecuted.

  19. says

    If we westerners were to agree with the Jordanians on this issue of prosecution of Wilders for making Fitna, then the Jordanians should also agree to prosecute the Iranian goverment for their ‘counter-Fitna’ movie that was an attemted slam of Christianity.

    If muslims want prosecution, then they should be willing to be prosecuted.

  20. says

    RE:Actually we need a law to protect US against THEIR extremist plan!

    Response: Actually that has been tried. Remember the bill designed to protect airline passengers from frivolous lawsuits? The democrats killed it.

  21. says

    But what court would hear it and what tangible benefits would it bring? Even in cases where individuals suffered, such as the hostages in Iran, any verdict in their favor could only be paid with assets available to a Western jurisdiction.
    You’d need someone in Saudi Arabia to bring a lawsuit claiming unequal treatment for women. Where would he do it? The US government has no say over what happens in Saudi Arabia.
    Posted by: PMK

    Their court, our court. It makes no difference. If we are going to have the legal jihad used against us, I see no reason for us to cede the legal ground to the jihadists and to be on the defensive all the time. We can just as well use it against them. As for benefits, it would place them on the defensive and have them use resources on their own turf and hopefully garner enough public attention to sway the court of public opinion. Imagine what several trials over equal rights for women would do, say in Saudi Arabia. Would women’s groups all over the world be shamed into supporting them? Would trials in Islamic countries spawn demonstrations in front of their embassies? Think of the publicity value of having Islamic spokesmen in front of a news microphone defending the unequal treatment of women, gays, and non-muslims. It is not the only tool, but one which I think could be used effectively to try to shift the tide away from playing defense and go on offense for awhile.

  22. says

    One of the group’s lawyers, Tarek Hawamdeh told AFP that the action was “based on the (film’s) violation of publishing laws which ban insults against religions and attacks against Islam and the prophets”, punishable by a jail term of three years. – JW

    Am I reading some crazy fictional piece of .. or are these nut-jobs Motoon crowed really is tearing the envelop?

    What f…ing Law suit about whose prophet?

    If they really believe they will follow some laws ban insults against religions, then Kowran fits the bill right there!

    I can’t think of Jewish/Christian/Buddist/Hindu etc book insults other religion. Kowran leaves no room for interpretations when it comes to insults.

    Ok, you coward bunch of Motoon worships, bring on those laws. The People in the civil world has nothing to fear of. You will hide/lie/deceit again, and again and again …when we pull out pages after pages of Kowran insulting humanity.

  23. says

    George Mc,
    It’s not so much that we don’t have a good case as it is these actions are beyond the reach of an American court. Again, what US court would take it and on what grounds? They would throw it out because they lack jurisdiction.
    The legal jihad is being used against us in OUR courts, using OUR laws. Unless I misread this article Jordanians want Wilders prosecuted in a Jordanian court “based on the (film’s) violation of publishing laws which ban insults against religions and attacks against Islam and the prophets”.
    Take equal rights for women in Saudi Arabia. US courts have no jurisdiction. What happens in Saudi Arabia is beyond their purview. What Saudi court exists that will take it? So what trial do you expect to have?
    Aside from the obvious (OBL and company) who participated in the 9/11 conspiracy, what Muslims who live abroad do we prosecute, and for what?
    “Their court, our court”. It most certainly does make a difference. In their court the fix is in. Wilders is guilty of defaming the prophet, which is not a crime anywhere in the West. What we call murder they call a glorious battle. Unless burning down churches and synagogues becomes a crime in Muslim countries, we’re stuck. We can accuse them of harassing non-Muslims and creating an environment of terror, but that’s also not a crime in Jordan. Our courts don’t have jurisdiction over Jordanians living outside the US.
    What laws? What people? What courts?
    I don’t see what kind of trial you would have, other than a show trial.

  24. says

    As I mentioned above, the “Campaign for the Prophet” group confirmed the launch of its call to boycott Dutch and Danish products at a press conference this afternoon.

    The project is called “Live Without It”. According to the campaign leader’s website:

    “This campaign will see the distribution of one million large posters (70x50cm) and smaller ones (50x35cm) together with one million stickers of different sizes and thousands of T-shirts and hats with the title of the campaign printed on them”.

    Imagine if such energy and effort were put into a campaign urging Muslims to live without violence and hatred, and to jettison those parts of the Koran that promote it. I know that this is only a fantasy, but wouldn’t it be refreshing? Heck, it would be downright revolutionary.

    Islam – Live Without It!

    Matamoros (original one)