Ultimately, of course, this would mean that non-Muslims in Britain would be living under Sharia law as well. "Malaysian president Abdullah Badawi calls for British Muslims to live under sharia law," by Jonathan Wynne-Jones for the Telegraph, June 9 (thanks to Terri):
Muslim extremism in Britain will grow unless the Government and society learn to understand Islam, Malaysia's prime minister has warned.
Yes, of course, it's all up to the British. You will notice that Badawi says nothing about Muslims having any responsibility to adapt to British culture. You will notice that Muslim leaders never say that about Muslims in the West.
Abdullah Badawi claimed that the legacy of Britain's imperial past has hampered its ability to appreciate its Islamic population.
Yeah, that's probably it. That little matter of those bombs on July 7, 2005 couldn't have had anything to do with this inability. Oh, no.
In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, the prime minister urged Gordon Brown to allow the country's Muslims to live under sharia law, but also said that they must prove their worth to society. [...]A report, commissioned by the Church and published today, accuses ministers of paying only "lip service" to Christianity and marginalising the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches, while focusing "intently" on Islam.
However, Mr Abdullah argues that the Government must do more to ensure Muslims don't feel discriminated against if it is to tackle the rise of radicalism.
"The failure to understand Muslims is driving a divide between the communities," he said.
"Gordon Brown must encourage a better understanding because Britain must appreciate its Muslims."
Mr Abdullah argued that Britain needs to come to terms with being home to immigrants from countries that it used to rule over.
"The British Empire expanded in Asia, everywhere, throughout the Muslim land, through the land of Hindus and the land of Buddhists.
"When they were ruling it was different because they wanted it to be peaceful and to keep it peaceful they had to use diplomacy.
"Now maybe the Government thinks they can forget it. It doesn't matter."
He said that Muslims in Britain were more likely to be radicalised because they feel ignored rather than due to religious reasons.
"Is it because of poverty, social unrest, deprivation, feeling discriminated against, thinking people don't care much because of the colour of their skin. The could make them to decide to be extremist, not necessarily because of his religion."
Mr Abdullah, who was talking on the eve of a landmark summit of world leaders, echoed the calls of the Archbishop of Canterbury earlier this year for Muslims to be able to live under sharia law.
"They should abide by the law of the land, but they should also be able to follow their religious observances and beliefs, to express their duty to God.."...
Muslims in Britain feel discriminated against? Hmm. Interesting. I mean, after all, they're the ones in mosques in mainland Britain scapegoating the Jews and spreading Islamist propaganda as was documented on Channel 4's "Undercover Mosque" last year.
As always, it's the fault of the white West that Muslims blow them up.
In fact, Muslim extremism in Britain will grow (and has been growing) because the Government and British society haven't yet learned to understand Islam.
Once Britain wakes up, if they do, then Muslim extremism will be targeted and defeated.
"Gordon Brown must encourage a better understanding because Britain must appreciate its Muslims."
I couldn't agree more. Appreciate:
1 a: to grasp the nature, worth, quality, or significance of
Now, when I say "Britain, in this post, I'm not talking about Joe Brit, who, like Joe Yank, knows exactly what he's facing when his government, over which he has very limited control, kow-tows to the local Muslims.
Yes, indeed-- Britain must appreciate its Muslims.
The government needs to understand (appreciate) that, under the Sharia these Muslims are demanding, it is fine to kill a "dishonorable" daughter. Who decides whether the daughter is dishonorable? Her male relatives, not some Sharia court of law.
The government must appreciate that, under Sharia, a woman is chattel, to be bartered, sold, dominated, abused, and is worth less than a cow.
The government must appreciate that amputations and beheadings, and stonings are all a part of a Muslim's "freedom to practice" his religion.
The government must appreciate that, if a woman is worth less than a cow, a non-Muslim is worth less than a woman, and that a non-Muslim woman is rape bait (uncovered meat).
"The British Empire expanded in Asia, everywhere, throughout the Muslim land, through the land of Hindus and the land of Buddhists.
"When they were ruling it was different because they wanted it to be peaceful and to keep it peaceful they had to use diplomacy."
So... The British don't rule Britain, anymore? I'm sure they will be surprised to hear that, Mr. Abdullah. You're a little bass ackwards on this one, my man. Britain does not have to use diplomacy to pacify its Muslim immigrants.
It is the responsibility of the Muslim immigrants to conform to Britain's laws.
Mohammadans "must prove their worth"! They already have!
Poverty? deprivation? discriminated against?
Good grief!
They "must abide by the law of the land" - but Sharia law goes against the law of the land!
How on earth can the amputation of limbs, "honour" killing, beheading and flogging help to "express their duty to God"?
Oh, you mean Allah! That figures. Allah is not God and Mohammad was not a prophet!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Abdullah.
What happened to he discrimination of ethnic Hindus in Malaysia is the Malay government doing anything protect the rights of its minorities...not at all. Moreover, many Hindu temples have been destroyed by the Malaysian Muslims...has anything done by the Malaysian to protect them. To contrast that in Britain do hear of any British beating up a Imam, no. How about any English destroying a Mosque, no. As far as I can say the English have every right to defend themselves from the menace that Islam brings. It will cause many deaths of non Muslims, it will erode the freedoms and equal rights of British. It will destroy British culture. It will became like many other Islamic low life countries with violence, poverty, women in burka beheadings, discrimination and second class citizenship for non Muslims. Despotic rulers and tyrants. F#$^%K that!!! S@#W Islam and Sharia! and S@#$W you Badawi!
"Muslim extremism in Britain will grow unless the Government and society learn to understand Islam..........."
And then begin to cut it out like the malignant canker which it is.
"In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, the prime minister urged Gordon Brown to allow the country's Muslims to live under sharia law, but also said that they must prove their worth to society."
Y'know, I realize that the context implied is that the Muslims are the ones that need to "prove their worth to society," but if you look closely, the way the sentence is vaguely written, it could also imply that the British are the ones who need to prove their worth to MUSLIM society.
I made sure to go to the original article to make sure I was reading what I thought I was reading.
As long as Christians in your country can live under American law.
Has the British government decided yet on what date shariah law will go into full effect in the UK?
While there be exemptions for people like blair, brown, prince charles -- or will they have to grow beards or wear hijabs?
Its not a question of "if" -- rather "how soon" will sharia be UK's law of the land.
Muslims have proven to be very good at three things-
Poverty
Choas
and Death
They are worthless in almost all other areas.
Keep your Sharia and your Hijab. I'll keep my clitoris.
Islam will rule England over every Muslim's dead body.
"Malaysian Prez: Muslims in Britain should live under Sharia"
Muslims in Britain who want to live under Shari'ah...Should move to Malaysia.
Abdullah Badawi claimed that the legacy of Britain's imperial past has hampered its ability to appreciate its Islamic population.
Oh, not to worry, non-Muslims are learning to "appreciate" you more every day.
He said that Muslims in Britain were more likely to be radicalised because they feel ignored rather than due to religious reasons.
Poor neglected little things... waa. Have infidels become so extreme that they actually ignore you? Those animals. One can hardly blame you for celebrating chaos and death when you're oppressed by ignoration, can they?
"When they were ruling it was different because they wanted it to be peaceful and to keep it peaceful they had to use diplomacy."
Hmm, sounds like your arguing for a British recolonization effort. If so, make sure it's real colonialism, not the imaginary, academic kind where those colonized feel safe to complain about it.
Muslim extremism in Britain will grow unless the Government and society learn to understand Islam, Malaysia's prime minister has warned.
Mr. Mayonnaise Prime Miniseries, as a token of my understanding and appreciation of Islam, I now give you (and it) the single finger salute… and the same warning back to you.
The arrogance. The sheer bloody-minded arrogance of them. I'm choking on my anger.
From the full Telegraph article:
That's rich. Far from being "an asset", UK government statistics show that working-age Muslims in Britain have higher rates of unemployment, and higher rates of economic inactivity, than every other religious group.
The rate of Muslim unemployment (classified by the government as being out of work, but registered for Jobseekers’ Allowance and actively in search of work) is 13% for Muslim men, and 18% for Muslim women - an overall unemployment rate of 15% (if my maths teacher taught me right.)
The rate of economic inactivity (classified as being out of work and not seeking employment, and measured separately from the unemployment rate) is 31% for Muslim men, and 69% for Muslim women. This works out to 50% overall for both sexes.
Add these together, and you find that a staggering 65% of Muslims of working age in the UK are not in work, and not contributing a penny to the economic well-being of the country.
Admittedly, these statistics are four years old. They are the most recent religion-based figures available online at the National Statistics website. Consider too that the high rates of economic inactivity reflect the fact that married Muslim women tend to act as stay at home mothers, and that the younger age profile of the Muslim community means that it will likely include a higher percentage of students in further or higher education than other groups.
Even so, these factors alone cannot account for such a high percentage. As these figures show, with two-thirds of its working-age population not in work, the Muslim community in the UK is not even supporting itself, let alone making a positive economic contribution. It is unlikely that it will ever become an “asset”. Not economically, and almost certainly not socially.
Matamoros (the original one)
I have a counter idea:
Muslims should only live in Arabia, between Mecca and Medina.
And nowhere else.
Until they rise to the human level of civilization.
If Muslims can't live without sharia'a't then they can't live in the western democracies.
Maybe Malaysia should live under our laws, which at least now, do not favor a fascist, cretinous religion
Profitsbeard-
You said what I thought; and better than I would have.
"I have a counter idea:
Muslims should only live in Arabia, between Mecca and Medina.
And nowhere else.
Until they rise to the human level of civilization.
Posted by: profitsbeard "
They have to rise to the animal level before that.
American Citizen: Malaysian Prez should live under sewer.
The mix of arrogance, impertinence and sheer, stark, defiant, willful stupidity is breathtaking.
A merciful "understanding" attitude toward this? Wrong, wrong wrong. Intellectually wrong, and morally wrong.
This calls for the kind of cold understanding that one applies to neutralizing criminals.
Under sharia law "insulting Islam" is punishable by death (beheading) and adultery is death by stoning. Oh yeah, I can imagine the festive air at Hyde park every Friday while the executioners and imams get ready for the weekly executions.
Oh won't Britain be a wonderful place to in?
Nah, they'll choose either St. James Park or Green Park because it will be closer to the former Buckingham Palace. That way the Grand Mufti, Emir, or Caliph can watch from the balconies.
P.S. The above is complete sarcasm. I am positive our brother and sisters in the United Kingdom will never, let this come to pass!
Ack. Malaysia, like the United Kingdom, is a secular constitutional monarchy (i.e. we do NOT have a President - ok minor quibble, but there you are). Yes, the official religion is Islam, but the Constitution guarantees the 'secular' nature of the Federation.
Of course, the current ruling party has amended the Constitution any number of times in the 50 years since we gained independence from the UK, and since only a 67% supermajority in Parliament is required, well, this is the first time they cannot muster the votes.
Censorship is rampant here and Malaysian bloggers (maybe even commenters like myself) have to be reasonably careful not to PO the authorities.
Especially on racial and religious issues.
So, if you're wondering why we're not saying too much, well, no 1st OR 2nd Amendment rights, OK?
Matamoros (the original one), thank you for your information on Muslim unemployment statistics in Britain.
Now, to be fair, Unemployment rates amoung all immigrant groups tends to be a bit higher than the general population, due to inability to speak the majority language well, poor education or technical skills, etc.
But still--65% of working-age Muslims are, well, not working. That is staggering.
While some of these people are no doubt being supported by their more productive relatives, many are simply on the infidel dole.
It would be bad enough if all of these people were just lying around all day, eating halal fish and chips and watching the telly, but there are darker statistics, as well.
Muslims make up a scant 3% of the British population, but account for a full 11% of the prison population. Their crimes range from garden variety larceny and such, to targetting infidels for robbery and sex crimes, to honor killings and attacking apostates, to full-blown acts of terrorism.
In addition, they make up a rather more troublesome-than-usual part of the prison population, making demands for Imams, halal meals, and prayer-times, radicalizing their fellow inmates through Da'wa, and attacking members of other ethnic groups with alarming frequency.
There's just so much for Britons to appreciate, it's hard to know where to start!
Does it not strike anybody as utterly insane that the President of a country that actually has laws discriminating against it's Indian and Chinese? That is, Malaysia has institutional discrimination against non-Muslims on the basis of religion and ethnicity (the laws favor ethnic Malays)?
And the PM of Britain - the home of liberalism, the nation that (along with the US) ended slavery and forced others to stop it (although slavery still exists everywhere in the non-west today - from Asian sex slaves to child soldiers in filthy African dumps to domestic SE Asian workers who are beaten and raped by their pious Islamic hosts in the wealthy, gluttonous gulf states) is to listen to this racist rabble-rouser from Malaysia?
We are losing this war because we don't accept what our enemies represent. Our enemies are backward, superstitious, bigoted tribes. We are individuals.
The media should have mocked this bigot until he apologised, and if he didn't apologise - they should have labelled his countrymen for having such a leader racists. The media should have mocked those racist laws, but the British PM should have mentioned this fact - and turned the issue around.
I am sick of how, just because it is ONLY the west that has discourse on issues like racism, that bigoted 3rd world filth cultures take this to mean we are the only ones who are racist.
Nobody listens to me. Nobody.
WE DO NOT HAVE A PRESIDENT!
Argh.
Yes, it's a small thing. But I'd bet you won't want to have people refer to His Majesty Barack Hussein Obama II, would you?