Never mind that Islamic Defenders Front. This is much more dangerous. "Many not satisfied about govt`s decree on Ahmadiyah," by Andi Abdussalam for Antara News, June 14:
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian government finally issued a joint ministerial decree on Monday banning followers of Jamaah Ahmadiyah Indonesia (JAI) from carrying out religious activities, but many Muslims organizations in the country were not satisfied as it did not provide for JAI`s dissolution.
Many Muslim groups have been exerting pressure on the government to disband the JAI organization which they say is a heretical Islamic sect or had deviated from the true Islamic tenets.
"The government`s decree is still a temporary decision. It should be revised to disband the JAI and ban its misleading teachings," Yohan Andi of the Campus Propagation Institutes Forum (FSLDK) said in Malang, East Java.
On Tuesday, tens of Islamic propagation forums grouped in the FSLDK called on the government to revise the decree which was jointly signed and issued by the ministers of religion and home affairs as well as the attorney general on Monday.
Chairman of the Advisory Council of West Sumatra`s Ulemas Council (MUI), Masoed Abidin said the JAI was not a religious organization but a form of imperialist movement aiming at destroying Islam.
Therefore, he said, although the government has issued a decree on the banning of the JAI activities, Islamic organizations should intensify their propagations in order to reduce the influence of the Ahmadiyah.
Seeing the fact that Ahmadiyah has deviated from Islam, the issuance of the ministerial decree will never satisfy Muslims. "But as citizens of the Unitary State of Indonesia, we should thank the government for restricting the movement of the JAI," Masoed Abidin said.
Unsatisfied with the decree, the Bandung Indonesian Ulemas Forum (FUUI) called on the government to issue a firm presidential decision which banned the JAI teaching and dissolved its organization.
"The decree is subject to multi-interpretations that has the potentials to create conflict. The FUUI demands the government to issue a presidential decision which firmly dissolves the Ahmadiyah and bans its teachings," FUUI chairman Athian M Ali said in Bandung, West Java, on Tuesday.
He said that the FUUI basically hailed the joint ministerial decree but was of the opinion that it would not resolve the real problem of Ahmadiyah. There was even an impression that the government was trying to protect it.
Mercy sakes alive!
Dissatisfaction was also expressed by an executive of the Central Board of Indonesia`s largest Muslim organization Nahdlatul Ulama (PBNU).
"The issuance of the government`s decree needs to be welcomed, though we are not yet satisfied," PBNU chairman Andi Jamaro Dulung said at Polonia airport in Medan, North Sumatra on Tuesday.
He said the best thing for the government was to disband the JAI organization so that it would not create polemics later on, particularly among Muslims. He said Muslims were deeply disturbed by a teaching which claimed a prophet other than Muhammad.
In the meantime, MUI chairman for Banten province, Wahab Afif said in Serang that the government`s decree needed to be equipped with an implementing rule which was more technical in order to stop or disband the activities of JAI.
He said he was not satisfied with decree as it did regulate the technicalities of stopping the JAI activities or its dissolution. "We hope there would be a regulation which is more technical in nature to stop its activities and teachings which are deviating from the basic tenets of Islam," he added.
Such a toxic mix of "religion", civil government, and interest groups (councils akin to CAIR, ISNA, MSA, et al) in Indonesia.
Should we now refer to Indonesia as East Saudi Arabia?
This kind of extreme dhimmitude seems to be happening elsewhere too:
From http://www.andhracafe.com/index.php?m=show&id=34459
we see the following:
[Hyderabad, June 10 The Andhra Pradesh government has refused permission to the Ahmadiya community to hold a meeting here June 15 following protests from some Muslim groups.
Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy directed the police not to allow the community to hold its meeting at any public place as this could create law and order problems in the city.
A delegation of Muslim groups led by Hyderabad MP Asaduddin Owaisi had called on the chief minister Monday to demand that the Ahmadiya, also called Qadianis, should not be allowed to hold their conference.
The controversial sect was to hold its meeting at the Public Gardens, in the heart of the city.
The delegation said the meet could vitiate the peaceful atmosphere as the activities of Qadianis were provocative. A representation submitted to the chief minister said the Qadianis were declared non-Muslims by all Muslims countries as their beliefs clash with the basic tenets of Islam.
The delegation comprising several clerics said the activities of the sect were hurting the religious sentiments of Muslims as it calls itself Ahmadiya Muslims and warned that the permission to hold a meeting could create law and order problems.
"They (Qadianis) don't believe that Hazrat Mohammed is the last prophet sent by Allah and this is against the basic belief of Muslims but they still carry on activities with Muslim names thus misleading people," said Abdul Raheem Qureshi, assistant secretary of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, the apex body of Indian Muslims.
He pointed out that the founder of the sect had claimed that he was a prophet and sometimes even said he was Jesus.
Owaisi, leader of the Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (MIM), explained the activities of the sect to the chief minister, who directed the officials not to allow the sect to hold its meeting at any public place and not to give any official patronage to the event.
The chief minister said ministers would neither attend the meet nor send any greeting message. He also asked authorities of state-owned Road Transport Corporation (RTC) to remove the posters about the event from all RTC buses.
The delegation comprised prominent religious scholar Moulana Hameeduddin Auqil Hussami, imam of the historic Mecca Masjid here, Moulana Abdullah Qureshi Al-Azhari and representatives of several groups including Jamaat-e-Islami, Jamiatul Ulema, Tableegi Jamaat and the head of Jamia Nizamia, an over 130-year-old Islamic university.
Muslims comprise 30 percent of the city's seven million population.
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From the article,
Allah forbid! A charlatan is trying move in on The Profit's action?!!
Maybe we should limit the Muslims permitted in the USA to just the Ahmadi sect. On the one hand, it could prove our multicultural (really omnicultural) bona fides, and keep out Wahabbis, Sunni and Shia. There are countries where the Wahabbis, Sunni and Shia run the government, so they can't say there is nowhere other than the West for them to find asylum.
Next, there are no talents that Muslim specialists have that are not in abundance among Hindu, Chinese and other Third Worlders. Thus any economic arguments for the importation of the potentially subversive Muslims are null and void.
Finally, when the non-Ahmadi muslims claim that we are not bringing in Muslims since they don't consider the Ahmadi as Muslims, the response will be simple. They label themselves Muslim, and they are suffering actual persecution. Other people's definition are not the West's concern.
The above may limit the danger of an imported 5th column, though having the government act like there is a war going on would be a better solution.
It's like looking into the fifteenth century, reading this stuff. But IN the fifteenth century Islamic culture was supposed to have been ahead of that of the West for hundreds of years. What went wrong?
"It's like looking into the fifteenth century, reading this stuff. But IN the fifteenth century Islamic culture was supposed to have been ahead of that of the West for hundreds of years. What went wrong?
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the Muslims as they continue today were stuck in a 7th century mindset, while the west thrived on change, inovation, discovery, laws designed by the people-for the people, art, literature, invention, theatre, and freedom of the press.
The Muslims in todays world want to remove all the wests accomplishments from the pages of history and to force the world back into the 7th century..all past accomplishments of a free world destined to the dustbins of a lost history.
It's ironic that (mainstream) Muslims don't see the irony of their complaints against Ahmadiyya. They're essentially saying it's intolerable that a new sect, born of their religion, would appear claiming to 'perfect' their religion by adding a new, better, prophet at the end.
Hmmm....sounds just a wee bit like what Christianity did to Judiasm, and Islam did to Christianity.
That Ahmadiyya could be an antidote to radical Islam is an interesting idea - I don't know much about them, but this sounds pretty good:
Ahmadiyya claim... the concept of violent Jihad [is] unnecessary in modern times. They believe that the answer of hate should be given by love. As their khalifas said that 'if anyone attacks us we must not attack him and should love him' this is called "Jihaad-e-Akbar" (The Greater Jihad).