New York Times isn't sure that free speech is such a good idea

The original New Duranty Times headline on this appalling story was "Out of Step with Allies, U.S Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech," but now they have changed it to "Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech" -- softening the "out of step" charge a bit, but not too much. The story glides from the Canadian case against Mark Steyn to a discussion of Nazis and racial epithets, without a shadow of a hint of the fact that what Steyn said was worlds away from Nazism or racism, but was instead essentially a straightforward presentation of Islamic supremacist statements made by Muslims. If that's hate speech, so was reporting what Hitler said in 1935.

"Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech," by Adam Liptak in the New York Times, June 12 (thanks to all who sent this in):

VANCOUVER, British Columbia — A couple of years ago, a Canadian magazine published an article arguing that the rise of Islam threatened Western values. The article’s tone was mocking and biting, but it said nothing that conservative magazines and blogs in the United States do not say every day without fear of legal reprisal.

The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal will soon rule on whether the cover story of the October 23, 2006, issue of Maclean’s magazine violated a provincial hate speech law.

Two members of the Canadian Islamic Congress say the magazine, Maclean’s, Canada’s leading newsweekly, violated a provincial hate speech law by stirring up hatred against Muslims. They say the magazine should be forbidden from saying similar things, forced to publish a rebuttal and made to compensate Muslims for injuring their “dignity, feelings and self-respect.”

Does the Canadian Islamic Congress have any evidence that Steyn's article stirred up hatred against Muslims? Why, no. But that doesn't seem to matter.

The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, which held five days of hearings on those questions here last week, will soon rule on whether Maclean’s violated the law. As spectators lined up for the afternoon session last week, an argument broke out.

“It’s hate speech!” yelled one man.

“It’s free speech!” yelled another.

In the United States, that debate has been settled. Under the First Amendment, newspapers and magazines can say what they like about minorities and religions — even false, provocative or hateful things — without legal consequence.

The Maclean’s article, “The Future Belongs to Islam,” was an excerpt from a book by Mark Steyn called “America Alone” (Regnery, 2006). The title was fitting: The United States, in its treatment of hate speech, as in so many other areas of the law, takes a distinctive legal path.

“In much of the developed world, one uses racial epithets at one’s legal peril, one displays Nazi regalia and the other trappings of ethnic hatred at significant legal risk, and one urges discrimination against religious minorities under threat of fine or imprisonment,” Frederick Schauer, a professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, wrote in a recent essay called “The Exceptional First Amendment.”

To follow the paragraph about America Alone with one about racial epithets and Nazi regalia is the New Duranty Times at its most subtly scurrilous. If someone is not familiar with Steyn's book, he will get the idea that it is some kind of racist screed -- and that, of course, is exactly the idea.

“But in the United States,” Professor Schauer continued, “all such speech remains constitutionally protected.”

Canada, England, France, Germany, the Netherlands, South Africa, Australia and India all have laws or have signed international conventions banning hate speech. Israel and France forbid the sale of Nazi items like swastikas and flags. It is a crime to deny the Holocaust in Canada, Germany and France.

These are all foolish laws, including the Holocaust denial laws. The Holocaust happened, but laws restricting speech, even speech like this, set a dangerous precedent. The problem is that "hate speech" is in the eye of the beholder, and such laws become weapons in the hands of those who wield political power, or who are jockeying for that power -- weapons to silence their opponents. The Times will never tell you, of course, that there is a worldwide and ongoing movement by Islamic jihadists and their allies and dupes to classify all critical examination of Islamic supremacism as "hate speech." And who will be the chief beneficiary if they succeed? Why, the Islamic supremacists, and only the Islamic supremacists. We will be mute and hence defenseless in the face of the jihadist onslaught -- as the State Department and DHS are well on the way to rendering us already.

Earlier this month, the actress Brigitte Bardot, an animal rights activist, was fined $23,000 in France for provoking racial hatred by criticizing a Muslim ceremony involving the slaughter of sheep.

By contrast, American courts would not stop a planned march by the American Nazi Party in Skokie, Ill., in 1977, though a march would have been deeply distressing to the many Holocaust survivors there.

Six years later, a state court judge in New York dismissed a libel case brought by several Puerto Rican groups against a business executive who had called food stamps “basically a Puerto Rican program.” The First Amendment, Justice Eve M. Preminger wrote, does not allow even false statements about racial or ethnic groups to be suppressed or punished just because they may increase “the general level of prejudice.”

The problem here is that true statements about Islam and jihad will be suppressed, and precisely as Islamic supremacists are pressing forward as never before with their program of stealth jihad against the West. We are far closer to restrictions on free speech than most people realize, with even the Times quoting learned analysts in favor of such restrictions:

Some prominent legal scholars say the United States should reconsider its position on hate speech.

“It is not clear to me that the Europeans are mistaken,” Jeremy Waldron, a legal philosopher, wrote in The New York Review of Books last month, “when they say that a liberal democracy must take affirmative responsibility for protecting the atmosphere of mutual respect against certain forms of vicious attack.”

"Vicious attack" in whose eyes? One man's "vicious attack" is another man's truth-telling. Who will be the arbiter? The perils of this ought to be obvious. They aren't.

Professor Waldron was reviewing “Freedom for the Thought That We Hate: A Biography of the First Amendment” by Anthony Lewis, the former New York Times columnist. Mr. Lewis has been critical of efforts to use the law to limit hate speech.

But even Mr. Lewis, a liberal, wrote in his book that he was inclined to relax some of the most stringent First Amendment protections “in an age when words have inspired acts of mass murder and terrorism.” In particular, he called for a re-examination of the Supreme Court’s insistence that there is only one justification for making incitement a criminal offense: the likelihood of imminent violence.

The irony of this is that Steyn's book, which is what this article began by talking about, has not remotely inspired acts of mass murder and terrorism. Acts of mass murder and terrorism have only been inspired by words such as those being taught at the Islamic Saudi Academy in Virginia, and yet it is Steyn, not Muslim leaders in Canada who teach the same things taught in the Islamic Saudi Academy, who is on trial. Take, for example, these teachers in a Canadian Islamic school: they were suspended, but not tried. And I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they are back at work again now, teaching the same things.

The imminence requirement sets a high hurdle. Mere advocacy of violence, terrorism or the overthrow of the government is not enough; the words must be meant to and be likely to produce violence or lawlessness right away. A fiery speech urging an angry mob to immediately assault a black man in its midst probably qualifies as incitement under the First Amendment. A magazine article — or any publication — intended to stir up racial hatred surely does not.

Notice how the Times is now judge, jury, and executioner for Steyn: his article, they say, was "intended to stir up racial hatred." How do they know what Steyn intended? This omniscience regarding intentions is a cornerstone of hate speech laws, and it is vehemently absurd. And what race is Islam again?

Mr. Lewis wrote that there was “genuinely dangerous” speech that did not meet the imminence requirement.

“I think we should be able to punish speech that urges terrorist violence to an audience, some of whose members are ready to act on the urging,” Mr. Lewis wrote. “That is imminence enough.”

Harvey A. Silverglate, a civil liberties lawyer in Cambridge, Mass., disagreed. “When times are tough,” he said, “there seems to be a tendency to say there is too much freedom.”

“Free speech matters because it works,” Mr. Silverglate continued. Scrutiny and debate are more effective ways of combating hate speech than censorship, he said, and all the more so in the post-Sept. 11 era.

“The world didn’t suffer because too many people read ‘Mein Kampf,’ ” Mr. Silverglate said. “Sending Hitler on a speaking tour of the United States would have been quite a good idea.”

Mr. Silverglate seemed to be echoing the words of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., whose 1919 dissent in Abrams v. United States eventually formed the basis for modern First Amendment law.

“The best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market,” Justice Holmes wrote.

“I think that we should be eternally vigilant,” he added, “against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death.”

The First Amendment is not, of course, absolute. The Supreme Court has said that the government may ban fighting words or threats. Punishments may be enhanced for violent crimes prompted by racial hatred. And private institutions, including universities and employers, are not subject to the First Amendment, which restricts only government activities.

But merely saying hateful things about minorities, even with the intent to cause their members distress and to generate contempt and loathing, is protected by the First Amendment.

Here comes more sly smearing of Steyn, this time equating his work with the KKK:

In 1969, for instance, the Supreme Court unanimously overturned the conviction of a leader of a Ku Klux Klan group under an Ohio statute that banned the advocacy of terrorism. The Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, had urged his followers at a rally to “send the Jews back to Israel,” to “bury” blacks, though he did not call them that, and to consider “revengeance” against politicians and judges who were unsympathetic to whites.

Only Klan members and journalists were present. Because Mr. Brandenburg’s words fell short of calling for immediate violence in a setting where such violence was likely, the Supreme Court ruled that he could not be prosecuted for incitement.

In his opening statement in the Canadian magazine case, a lawyer representing the Muslim plaintiffs aggrieved by the Maclean’s article pleaded with a three-member panel of the tribunal to declare that the article subjected his clients to “hatred and ridicule” and to force the magazine to publish a response.

“You are the only thing between racist, hateful, contemptuous Islamophobic and irresponsible journalism, and law-abiding Canadian citizens,” the lawyer, Faisal Joseph, told the tribunal.

In response, the lawyer for Maclean’s, Roger D. McConchie, all but called the proceeding a sham.

“Innocent intent is not a defense,” Mr. McConchie said in a bitter criticism of the British Columbia law on hate speech. “Nor is truth. Nor is fair comment on true facts. Publication in the public interest and for the public benefit is not a defense. Opinion expressed in good faith is not a defense. Responsible journalism is not a defense.”

He is right, and that is why the British Columbia law is so pernicious.

Jason Gratl, a lawyer for the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association and the Canadian Association of Journalists, which have intervened in the case in support of the magazine, was measured in his criticism of the law.

“Canadians do not have a cast-iron stomach for offensive speech,” Mr. Gratl said in a telephone interview. “We don’t subscribe to a marketplace of ideas. Americans as a whole are more tough-minded and more prepared for verbal combat.”

Poor, fragile Canadians. If they don't toughen up, and soon, the delicate little dears are going to find themselves living in an Islamic state in which any critical remarks about Islam or Muhammad are forbidden, and the freedoms of non-Muslims restricted in numerous other ways besides. That could never happen in Canada? Why not? What will prevent it, when even speaking about the attempt is against the law?

Many foreign courts have respectfully considered the American approach — and then rejected it.

Ah. They were more enlightened than us blunt, stupid Americans, semaphores the Duranty Times.

A 1990 decision from the Canadian Supreme Court, for instance, upheld the criminal conviction of James Keegstra for “unlawfully promoting hatred against an identifiable group by communicating anti-Semitic statements.” Mr. Keegstra, a teacher, had told his students that Jews were “money loving,” “power hungry” and “treacherous.”

Here again, there is simply no equivalent between these slurs and speaking about the Islamic supremacist agenda, which can be established by ample statements made by Muslims themselves. But the Times assumes they're the same thing, and so does most of the world -- unless we stand up and defend the truth.

Writing for the majority, Chief Justice Brian Dickson said there was an issue “crucial to the disposition of this appeal: the relationship between Canadian and American approaches to the constitutional protection of free expression, most notably in the realm of hate propaganda.”

Chief Justice Dickson said “there is much to be learned from First Amendment jurisprudence.” But he concluded that “the international commitment to eradicate hate propaganda and, most importantly, the special role given equality and multiculturalism in the Canadian Constitution necessitate a departure from the view, reasonably prevalent in America at present, that the suppression of hate propaganda is incompatible with the guarantee of free expression.”

The United States’ distinctive approach to free speech, legal scholars say, has many causes. It is partly rooted in an individualistic view of the world. Fear of allowing the government to decide what speech is acceptable plays a role. So does history.

“It would be really hard to criticize Israel, Austria, Germany and South Africa, given their histories,” for laws banning hate speech, Professor Schauer said in an interview.

In Canada, however, laws banning hate speech seem to stem from a desire to promote societal harmony. While the Ontario Human Rights Commission dismissed a complaint against Maclean’s, it still condemned the article.

“In Canada, the right to freedom of expression is not absolute, nor should it be,” the commission’s statement said. “By portraying Muslims as all sharing the same negative characteristics, including being a threat to ‘the West,’ this explicit expression of Islamophobia further perpetuates and promotes prejudice toward Muslims and others.”

"All Muslims." I'm constantly accused of characterizing "all Muslims" as this or that. I never have. I doubt Steyn did, either. It doesn't matter, however. These hate speech promoters left truth and accuracy behind a long, long time ago.

A separate federal complaint against Maclean’s is pending.

Mr. Steyn, the author of the article, said the Canadian proceedings had illustrated some important distinctions. “The problem with so-called hate speech laws is that they’re not about facts,” he said in a telephone interview. “They’re about feelings.”

Precisely. As in this story.

“What we’re learning here is really the bedrock difference between the United States and the countries that are in a broad sense its legal cousins,” Mr. Steyn added. “Western governments are becoming increasingly comfortable with the regulation of opinion. The First Amendment really does distinguish the U.S., not just from Canada but from the rest of the Western world.”

At least for now. But it can happen here. We could lose the freedom to speak out against Islamic supremacism and jihad, and that will only enable the Islamic supremacists to advance farther into the heart of the West.

I have never done this before, but I ask whoever reads this and agrees with it to send it far and wide, along with this post. Free speech is in imminent danger, and in a way that will leave us defenseless against the jihadists. The Canada case against Steyn is just one of many indications. The UN's "Deep" Doudou Diène is working on restricting free speech, and American Muslims are helping him. Pakistan just asked the EU to restrict freedom of expression so as to curb "offenses to Islam." Finland just gave a blogger 2 1/2 years in prison for "insulting Islam."

Yet this worldwide effort is not on most radar screens -- it's being ignored even by conservative bloggers who are generally aware of the jihad threat, as well as by those who think it's all about Al-Qaeda and that Islam is otherwise a religion of peace. That's why I'm asking you to send these two articles around, even to them -- whatever they think of me and my work, they ought to be able to see the need to defend free speech.

If we don't wake people up, it could be too late before anyone even realizes. Call me alarmist, call me hysterical, but it only took six months for Adolf Hitler to dismantle the Weimar Republic and impose a dictatorship. Huey Long is said to have remarked, "Fascism will come to America, but likely under another name, perhaps anti-fascism." Now we are seeing just that: the anti-jihadists are called fascists, and are being silenced in fascist fashion, in the name of anti-fascism. It's time to wake up. Please, try to wake someone up today.

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Freedom of press and freedom of speech maybe New York Times is in the wrong country, if it not for the freedom of press and speech I am sure everything it printed would be propaganda. But looks like it wants to do that.

One way to shut this down is to aggressively pursue hate speech actions against people who support such statutes.

Did your liberal professor say something derogatory about conservatives? Hate speech.

Did the muslim organization talk about infidels and apostates?
Hate speech.

Did Rev Jerimiah Wright say that white Americans created the AIDS virus to kill black Americans?
Hate speech.

We're foolishly letting this tool be used against us, when we should be letting THEM reap what they have sown.

For the record, I despise hate speech laws.

First cracks in PC reporting may be appearing when the MSM is forced to report the violent truths about Islamic behaviors. There is no way to sugar coat their vile repetitive actions of crimes against humanity, and to report on those actions, and to quote them on their motivations for such vile actions is NOT in violation of Freedom of Speech, but is mandatory as good journalism, to report the truth. But this goes against the PC creed to not offend anyone in a 'multiculturalist' society, ideally. Can't be done. The truth overrides the PC ideology, and this controversy within the NY Times is the first breaking down of those restrictive barriers put up to protect Islamic vile cult behaviors from being exposed by the truth. The truth always wins in the end, and the PC walls come down. Freedom of speech overrides 'hate speech' PC on this one.

“In much of the developed world, one uses racial epithets at one’s legal peril, one displays Nazi regalia and the other trappings of ethnic hatred at significant legal risk, and one urges discrimination against religious minorities under threat of fine or imprisonment,” Frederick Schauer, a professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, wrote in a recent essay called “The Exceptional First Amendment.”

"But in the United States,” Professor Schauer continued, “all such speech remains constitutionally protected.”

Wrong.

Otherwise we wouldn't have speech codes, ANYWHERE.

"The Supreme Court has said that the government may ban fighting words or threats.
Punishments may be enhanced for violent crimes prompted by racial hatred."

There you have the genesis of the "hate crime" for which a man was charged. Violent crimes prompted by racial hatred should be treated no differently from violent crimes prompted by any other hatred, be it religious, familial or anything else you can think of.

The NY Times doesn't care because their mindset is similar to that of the colleges that first instituted speech codes. The man Canada is trying to silence is conservative. They want Steyn and all who believe as he does to sit down and shut up.
They are using the Danish cartoons incident as the basis for muzzling anyone who might "insult" someone. The day American publications refused to carry those cartoons for fear of offending the Muslim communities was the day they gave up their right to complain about anything.
Someday the NY Times will be lamenting:
First they came for the conservatives and I kept quiet because I wasn't conservative....

Here's some 'hate speech' for the enemies of free speech:

We’re always told that it’s an interpretation of Islam that’s the problem.
True. Mohammed’s interpretation.

Islam means peace & saying is believing

‘Islam means peace’ is the equivalent of ‘Nice doggy…’

All Muslims are at peace with the calls for violence and murder found in the Koran

Islam means peace & Keyser Soze means Verbal Kint

Islam means peace and Jimmy Carter means Jack Bauer

Even though we want to be duped about Islam, Muslims are making it impossible

The peaceful Muslim is the reluctant Muslim.

Government’s big on everything except fighting Jihad in a Big way

Islam means peace and has brought into the world all the things that are worth living for.
Things such as…such as……..ummm………

Islam means peace and Mr. Spock was based on Mohammed

The New Resistance: the resistance to understand the enemy

Islam means peace and ‘Love thy Neighbor’ is of ‘palestinian’ origin

The Koran is illiterature

Things could be worse. Imagine if Islam meant war.

What’s the difference between Islam and Islamism? 3 letters.

Half Americans don’t want to fight Jihad. Full Americans do.


For a whole lot more, here's my Pig-sized riff on Islam & Peace, or as I call them Oil & Water:

Islam Vs Peace
Islam Means Peace in Our Time

It is the truth that sets one free.

I don't consider other western countries free. If i honestly don't like somthing, I should be able to express it.

Here are some of my opinoins.
1)Islam has no morality.
2)Democrates are an obstruction to prosparity and progress.
3)The NYT can stick it.

IMO.

Robert Spencer nailed it. The core issue with the Canadian Muslims complaint is very simple. If you write or speak about what is going on within Islam, including Islamists, you are spreading hate against ALL Muslims. The Canadian laws, because they were written by dhimmis, fail to deal with truth. Truth is no defense. A news article quoting what a radical Imam in the UK said is no defense for pointing out those facts and Islam in the same breath. Therefore speech must be limited. The leftists, including the NYT argue that the age old freedom of speech in the USA is out of step with the rest of the world. Look at Canada, the UK, Europe and the UN. They are coming after free speech, with success. The US is being vilified all around the globe for it's free speech. This is manna for the Islamists. It is working. This Canadian story alone should send shivers up any freedom loving person's spine on this planet. You country is at risk too. Just let the lefists get hold of it for longer and you will see, just like the New York Times. We are engineering our own demise, very fast but silently.

That is why the internet PLAYS a big part in getting the TRUTH out about Islam.

The First Amendment is the mouth.

The Second Amendment is the teeth.

The American difference.

"In the United States, that debate has been settled. Under the First Amendment, newspapers and magazines can say what they like about minorities and religions — even false, provocative or hateful things — without legal consequence.

Bullshit! This is only true, if American journalists want to abandon the threadbare remains of their journalistic ethics.

Maybe we should sit down and shut up. Let the Mainstream Muslims do all the talking, and all the acting. Let the Mainstream Muslim be all the news there is.

Do you think people, Islamorealists, and Islamoagnostics, might get a clue, if all they hear is the word of the frothing-at-the-mouth, bigoted, two-faced Mainstream Muslim?

Hear the words, see the actions, experience the dissonance.

Hate speech legislature is nothing more than prosecution of perceived thought crimes in the PC afflicted West.

Many Muslims will tell you that freedom of speech doesn't exist and therefore logically they subscribe to the mythical Constitutional amendment of the right to not be offended.

This is indeed a serious concern.

Unfortunately for Liptak, he can be accused in this article of the very same thing that he appears to condemn.

profitsbeard,

Damn well said, which is why the bastards want to bash those teeth.

Nice to see America Alone get front-page exposure for the New Duranty Time's diminishing, but still numerically significant readership. Hope some folks are curious enough to pick up a copy.

What about repeatedly calling Jews "apes and pigs??" Can we get the Koran and Hadith banned??

Just let the lefists get hold of it for longer and you will see, just like the New York Times. We are engineering our own demise, very fast but silently.

by Sounder

Problem is, the leftists are in both parties. Leftists have been in the WH for sixteen years. Just listen to GWB telling the world how much he regrets fighting Islamism for the last eight years. Peace is the future. "bomb, bomb Iran!" aside, McCain is just as much a leftist as Obama is. The only difference is one of degree.

Maybe you're right, but when I read the article I took it as a defense of free speech as opposed to fellow Western democracies' restrictions on same. The dubious "incitement" laws in the UK and France (where BB was recently fined, as mentioned in the article) are cases in point. I don't think Canada comes out looking particularly good in this article. Perhaps we all see what we want: Could be the article was balanced after all.

Posted by: Doubting David at June 12, 2008 11:01 AM

Disagreed. Regardless of the author's position of whether the US position is superior, the author has mislabeled Steyn's word's as hate-speech as opposed to the factual words and actions by Muslims and the reality of demographics that he displayed in his book and subsequently commented on in the magazine.

That the author may unwittingly support to protect offensive free speech is irrelevant. What is relevant, is exactly what he deems to qualify as offensive.

Doubting David,
Why would the NY Times or any other publication in the US want to be "balanced" when discussing this issue? There should be no doubt where they stand. It should be on the side of free speech.
Part of the problem was the headline.

"Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech"

Why doesn't the US defend free speech? Why does the freedom to offend need defending? Given the many times the NYT has chided the US for standing apart from other countries, it can rightly be assumed from this headline that here too, our stance is found wanting by the NYT editors.

The following headline would have been welcomed:

Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Free Speech

I meant to post here:

"We hope you like the changes in new, improved progressive fascism!"

Instead of bullets in the head they'll use harassment litigation and punitive fines to shut you up. Less corpses, but more misery.

When truth isn't a defense, when you can't quote someone accurately, Orwell's definition of "the freedom to say 2+2=4" is gone and you live in a fascist regime.

Welcome!

And Canadians think of themselves as more civilized and cultural than the Americans to the south.
What a joke that is, as evidenced by the Canadian govs behavior. But it is true that this, protecting Islam at all costs, is like a virus or cancer that spreads without borders to all western govs. The US is under the same attack to abolish the first amendment or alter it unrecognizable. The way to combat that is for the people themselves to indulge in so much so called, 'hate speech', that govs give up trying to arrest and convict. They can't put everyone in jail for telling the truth...And stop electing 'progressives'...They 'progress' in the wrong directions...Don't be intimidated...speak your mind...

It seems to me that the Qur'an, the Islamic traditions and the writings and sermons of many Muslim clerics subject Christians and Jews to "hatred and ridicule." Would the Times reporter suggest that the Qur'an and traditions should be burnt and the clerics convicted of human rights abuse? Perhaps Christians and Jews in Canada need to file complaints against radical Islamist preachers.

If the Times truly supports the position it seems to advocate, the logical first step would seem to be for the Supreme Court to overturn the protection against libel afforded by New York Times v. Sullivan. Does it advocate that? If free speech is not protected, perhaps libel against public figures should not be.

Mr. Silverglate captures the issue well: “The world didn’t suffer because too many people read ‘Mein Kampf,’ ” Mr. Silverglate said. “Sending Hitler on a speaking tour of the United States would have been quite a good idea.”

In effect, much of what the crtics of Islamists write simply allows Islamists to go on a speaking tour of the USA and Canada. The critics quote from the Qur'an, traditions and Islamic clerics to allow the public to understand the Islamist position and goals.

Personally, if I were a Muslim, I would be quite embarrassed to suggest that quotes from Islamic material subjects Islam to hatred and ridicule. Yet, much of the sturm und drang of the Muslim organizations simply reacts against quotes of the Qur'an, the traditions and Islamist writings.

Rather than shutting down free speech in the West or demanding "dialogue" with Christians, Muslims need only end the murder of Christians and Jews and advocacy of the destruction of the West by Jihadists. That would very quickly and effectively end the publication of cartoons of Muhammad with a bomb turban.

If CAIR and others were as they say, they would welcome Western opponents of the Islamists as allies. They would join in the warnings about the threat of Islamists rather than attempting to suppress that information. They do not need to convince the West that Islam doesn't require the forceful conversion of the world to Islam; they need to convince their co-religionists.

Cheers,

Abu el Banat

It is mind-boggling that the NYT, which has fallen so far, can descend even farther by opposing free speech. The Chamerlainesque character of this argument is so evident only the willfully blind can possibly ignore it.

Freedom of speech is more than the right to say just nice things. Freedom of speech is the right to hurt another person's feelings and for them to hurt you right back. Freedom of speech is maturity in a real world.

I share your alarm, Mr Spencer. No one cares all that much that our political and religious liberties are disappearing. Even anti-jihadists don't seem all that concerned. Besides reading blogs and posting comments in the echo chamber, most of us don't really use the freedoms we're losing in the real world, so we don't even notice when they're gone.
After following the Steyn and Levant cases pretty closely, I've become convinced that the Canadian "civil rights" regime and its cousins in the US and Europe are all about imposing a double standard. Muslims are allowed, even given tacit encouragement, to call for the killing of Jews and other acts of terror, while Christians saying homosexual acts are wrong, or simply refusing to celebrate these acts, are severely punished and silenced. All of this is done in the name of a perverse conception of social justice in which the search for the truth has no place.
Make no mistake about it: you and Mr Steyn and Mr Levant and your readers are criminals in the eyes of the so-called "civil rights" elite.

This story is currently on Drudge in a version from the International Herald Tribune. If you have time, check out the comments. Virtually 99% in favor of your First Ammendment rights. It will cheer you up.

Wakademic maggots.

Politically correct vermin. The lowest of the low.

Such people don't deserve to live in America.

How many times have we been told that the speech in most need of protection is speech that offends?That was always the standard when someone said of did something that offended Christians (God is dead/piss Christ) or Americans in general (flag burning). Because Muslims act like violent savages to any insult (real or imagined) does that principle get tossed out the window? The utter lack of principle is why people hate the left.

Most Canadians are self-righteous and arrogantly deluded. They think they are peaceful because they don't do much good in the world. It is easy to be seen as peaceful if you are apathetic.

Canada is a very apathetic country. Consider their terrible environmental record compared to the USA. It's really quite a backward country. Even on some environmental measures Mexico surpasses Canada.

Canada did have a soul prior to the 1960's when it was actually much more involved in world affairs. It had a huge navy (3rd or 4th in the world) after WWII. Prime Minister Pearson made significant contributions with peacekeeping forces. All that dissolved in Canada during the 1960's and now Canada is an empty soulless husk of a nation which prides itself on its global apathy (nobody hates us and we can travel around with little maple leafs on our backpacks and everyone likes us). Well Dorthy, you only make enemies in this broken world if you do some real good.

No, Canadians are not good people, they are just apathetically nice. Its this niceness, which is manifesting itself in these Tribunals. Horror of horrors, the nice Canadians cry out, someone offended a minority group!!!! Someone pointed out a demonstrable fault that Muslims are predisposed culturally to violence due to their supremacist religion.

Canadians choose niceness over truth, to their peril.

There is some light at the end of the tunnel. There is a fight brewing between the Eastern more liberal part of the country and the Western Provinces. If a split occurs in the country over the oil revenues (Canadians in the West are getting rich quickly), Western Canada will be much more American. Western Canada was founded mostly by American immigrants in a huge immigration wave in 1905. Americans should support this split if it comes.

Robert

An excellent analysis. I left a comment on the IHT article too, and was glad to see so many positive responses there. An Anatomy of Surrender is another great article about the surrender of the right to free speech to Islamists.

The First Amendment is probably one of the greatest pieces of text ever written. It has allowed the U.S. to grow into a great and free country. It expresses so many good things in one simple sentence and has been remarkably robust. I don't think, despite their efforts, that the Islamists will be able to break it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now I must get back to offending someone or other...

The New York Times, et al, seems to miss, or chooses to ignore, the point that the responsibility for accepting, rejecting, tolerating, and especially for acting upon, anything spoken or written anywhere does not rest upon the speaker or writer but upon the listener or reader.
Listening to or reading Islamist doctrine has not caused me to become a Muslim any more than reading old science fiction novels has turned me into a little green man.
This is the same kind of “Anything is responsible for me but me” or “Allah made me do it” thinking that created Islam in the first place.
Consider the ultra extreme dress code imposed on women by Muslim men.
Does the responsibility for lack of self control rest upon the woman or the beholder?
The fact is that Mohammad and his followers have wanted what they have wanted but do not want to take responsibility for their personal behaviors.
Similarly the New York Times wants the rewards of popular journalism without the responsibility of ascertaining the underlying truths and principles and are so far gone in their arrogance that they really believe the ideology of the imperium (umma, collective, party, state etc.) being superior to that of individual liberty and responsibility.
Of course being personally responsible requires courage as well.

Each Thursday evening for two and a half years now, concerned citizens and residents in Vancouver, Canada have met at the public library to sit openly and discuss such issues as jihad and dhimmitude, the fascism of the Left, and the best ways we as ordinary people can combat it legally. Mostly we sit in the atrium of the main library and talk, swapping ideas and books, listening and arguing. Then sometimes we get up and go out and protest on the sidewalks and in the lecture halls in person and risk the slings and arrows of lunatics who could easily turn violent. Two and half years and the worse is that the coffee goes cold as we chat for a few hours outside the cafe in the atruim. Well, OK, once I cam very close to having a book over-due. Luckily, I was at the library and saved myself a devastating fine.

Recently we stood outside the provincial courthouse here in Vancouver in support of Mark Steyn and Mcleans magazine and particularly in support of free speech for all. People know who we are, where to find us, and what we're about. Tonight, from 7-9:00 p.m. We'll be back at the library in the atrium talking again about jihad, dhimmitude, and free speech. Maybe we'll be arrested for it one of these weeks. If you care to join us, you too could be arrested. If you don't care to involve yourselves directly in such civil action today, maybe tomorrow you'll find yourself effectively arrested just by being in a police state, not having done anything but nothing while the nation devolved around you anyway.

We meet from 7-9:00 p.m. in the atrium at VPL outside Blenz coffee bar. My photo is on the internet if you have to know what I look like. Otherwise, find my with an Israeli flag on my baseball cap.

If you can't make it to sit with us, you might consider meeting people in your neighborhood to talk and consider ways of publicly demonstrating your concern about the nature of things in this struggle for freedom. Will you be beheaded? Oh, I can't tell you how often it happens to me, but I shrug it off and continue talking. Not that I'm impossible to shut up or anything.

The resistance starts with you. See you there.

The First Amendment to the Constitution is a double-edged sword. On the one hand it insures religious freedom, which gives the one menacing major faith on earth greater cover here in America. On the other hand, it allows for virtually all criticism of any religion.

Therefore, Muslims, particularly the most radical and litigious ones, will attempt to use the First Amendment to their advantage to provide cover for all the disturbing elements found in their creed. Thus, those who see Islam as the totalitarian ideology which it is, religion though it be, will have to make even better use of the First than Muslims and their dhimmi supporters will in order to expose Islam for what it truly is------an ideology which enslaves the mind, the body and the spirit and leaves wreckage of all kind in its wake. It's going to be interesting, that's for sure.

" A fiery speech urging an angry mob to immediately assault a black man in its midst probably qualifies as incitement under the First Amendment. A magazine article — or any publication — intended to stir up racial hatred surely does not."

This is a perfect example of how hate speech crimes will work. The fact that, statically, black-on- White hate crimes are far more prevalent than White-on-Black, does not even enter the equation. The ideologues decide who the haters are, and who the victimes are. Damn the facts.

If Jeramiah White were White, he would be a perfect candidate for prosecution under hate-speech laws, but because he's Black, he's only pointing out the injustices perpetrated against Blacks by Whites.

That's exactly how hate speech laws will be applied to Muslims. Nothing they say will be hate speech. It will be the legitimate speech of the oppressed demanding justice from the oppressors.

Period.

...I have never done this before, but I ask whoever reads this and agrees with it to send it far and wide, along with this post. Free speech is in imminent danger, and in a way that will leave us defenseless against the jihadists. ...

... Huey Long is said to have remarked, "Fascism will come to America, but likely under another name, perhaps anti-fascism." Now we are seeing just that: the anti-jihadists are called fascists, and are being silenced in fascist fashion, in the name of anti-fascism. It's time to wake up. Please, try to wake someone up today.


I'll do what I can and will send it out in my biggest distribution list.

...I have never done this before, but I ask whoever reads this and agrees with it to send it far and wide, along with this post. Free speech is in imminent danger, and in a way that will leave us defenseless against the jihadists…
... Huey Long is said to have remarked, "Fascism will come to America, but likely under another name, perhaps anti-fascism." Now we are seeing just that: the anti-jihadists are called fascists, and are being silenced in fascist fashion, in the name of anti-fascism. It's time to wake up. Please, try to wake someone up today.


I'll do what I can and will send it out in my biggest distribution list.

Why are you so afraid of forbidding hate speech?

As to me, if there is "one weight and one measure", forbidding hate speech means ... forbidding Coran and Hadiths: hate against women, hate against non-muslims, ...

OK, there is probably never "one weight and one measure": that is the problem.

On the bright side - the koran could be banned globally - along with much other written and verbal islamic doctrine, "law", "educational" textbooks, opinion, etc. In fact this could lead to a global ban of islam all together as it can not honestly claim affinity for most aspects of life (human or otherwise) or civilization and demonstrates increasingly its intolerances of these in the mosr horrific (i.e. hateful) ways.
So do ban "hate speech" and islam (all of it) will be first to go.

Is this what the Canadian courts want to preserve their societal harmony?

Personally, if I were a Muslim, I would be quite embarrassed to suggest that quotes from Islamic material subjects Islam to hatred and ridicule. Yet, much of the sturm und drang of the Muslim organizations simply reacts against quotes of the Qur'an, the traditions and Islamist writings. Posted by: Abu El Banat

In Canada, however, laws banning hate speech seem to stem from a desire to promote societal harmony. While the Ontario Human Rights Commission dismissed a complaint against Maclean’s, it still condemned the article.
“In Canada, the right to freedom of expression is not absolute, nor should it be,” the commission’s statement said. “By portraying Muslims as all sharing the same negative characteristics, including being a threat to ‘the West,’ this explicit expression of Islamophobia further perpetuates and promotes prejudice toward Muslims and others.” - from NY Times

This is a problem of reporting on any crime of violence. Where does the rights of the victim conflict with the ‘rights’ of the criminal. And where does the victim of crime override the criminal intent when it is himself? What makes the Muslim ‘victimhood’ of hate speech, even if only truthfully reporting on their criminal acts and intents, so incredibly impossible is that they claim themselves as victims of crimes while they either tacitly or overtly support those crimes against the so-called “infidels” (with both fast and slow Jihad) to overturn our freedom way of life, including silencing us from speaking out against their crimes. So when we report their crimes, not only in what they say but also written into their so-called “holy” scriptures, where violence against the “infidels” is expected, they then become the “victims” of our reporting the truth about them. How crazy is that?

Only in the twisted inverted logic of the Islamic universe can such a conundrum exist without their noticing how absurd they had made their situation, where violence against the free world becomes a subject taboo, one against which we are supposed to be defenseless while they press their view of the universe on us, sometimes with violence, with their Sharia tyranny. When seeing the whole universe through the lens of Sharia, or interpreting the whole universe through Mohammad’s words, allegedly from Allah in the Koran, then nothing need make any rational sense in the real world, since reason itself becomes suspect as the 'work of the devil' trying to seduce us into believing contrary to the Koran. How upside down can it get? But this is the universe Muslims have introduced into the world, where calling them on their violence becomes ‘violence’ against them in their minds, or an insulting ‘hate speech’, or Islamophobia, now in our world too.

If Canada really wants to create a harmonious society, they must learn to address this conundrum created by the Islamists. This means undoing our laws protecting our freedoms, of which ‘freedom of speech’ is fundamental (if one is to be allowed to say or hear the truth, even if only an opinion of what that truth is), is to suppress such freedom of speech to accommodate their Sharia universe world view. In their world freedom of speech is forbidden, since one is allowed (by Sharia law) ONLY to obey the theocratic laws of their Allah-cult, and man-made laws are irrelevant. So we are posed with another conundrum, to bring about societal harmony, when we are confronted with an aggressive imperative of our own subjugation to their universal world view with violence if necessary, in order to ‘submit’ to that view in order not to offend them, we must remain silent. Our freedom of speech is suspended. Only Muslim logic in its inverse upside down reality can make sense of this, since it is logically absurd to any reasonable person. But will this bring societal harmony, or merely surrender to their dogmatic Sharia?

Is societal harmony possible, therefore, when reporting on Muslim crimes and Jihad violence is itself a crime against our freedoms? And they then become the ‘victims’ or our reporting this? (This is the dilemma I referred to above, where the PC media is being forced to face this issue, which is causing cracks in their PC ideology. Reporting these issues is not ‘Islamophobia’!) The ‘multiculturalist’ liberal ideal society is supposed to find harmony with all ethnic and religious, or racial, groups within it. But if one group is already attacking that harmonious society with demands to undo those freedoms that make such harmony desirable, or even possible, what are the courts of the land to do when this aggressive, and violent at times, group is demanding to undo those same laws to accommodate their Sharia universe? The easiest route is then to ‘appease’ them with restrictions on ‘freedom of speech’ to bring about better social harmony. But this is exactly what plays into the hands of the Sharia imperative. So the only logical conclusion to not ‘offend’ those aggressive intents of Mohammad’s imperative, per this dogma tyranny of Allah’s universe, is to “submit” to Sharia. Or in effect, to stop being a free people, but becomes ‘slaves of Allah’ instead. This also means no ‘separation of religion and state’ while restricting our constitutional laws (to obey their Islamic dogmas) as to what we may say, or even think. (Jefferson must be turning over in his grave.) In the end, the Canadian courts might as well close up shop and surrender to Sharia tyranny, because they are failing in protecting us from the societal violence our constitutional laws designed to protect our freedoms. How could societal harmony be possible here, except through total surrender?! This is the dilemma of reporting on crime and violence when it comes to Islam. In fact, this is exactly what happens when Freedom of Speech is silenced, and in a mad ‘multiculturalist-PC’ world where criminals are victims, that it all becomes a complete travesty of Human Rights and legal justice.

I too would be embarrassed to be a Canadian Muslim, and so should be the NY Times editors who call on restrictions to their own 'freedom of speech' in journalism. To wilfully becoming victims of aggression is not the way to preserve social harmony, but only the way to become subjugated as slaves. In a free world, that is societal suicide.

I have done some research into Walter Duranty, correspondent of the fabled “newspaper of record.”
Walter Duranty who won the Pulitzer Prize for his work as the New York Times Moscow bureau chief from 1922 to 1936, famous for his highly favorable portrayal of Stalin, his denial of the Ukranian famine, and his uncritical coverage of Stalin's show trials.
When asked what he was going to write about the state-organised Ukranian famine he replied
“Nothing. What are a few million dead Russians in a situation like this? Quite unimportant. This is just an incident in the sweeping historical changes here. I think the entire matter is exaggerated. “
And this was at a time when peasants in Ukraine were dying of starvation at the rate of 25,000 a day.
He also wrote

"There is no famine or actual starvation nor is there likely to be."
--New York Times, Nov. 15, 1931, page 1
"Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda."
--New York Times, August 23, 1933
"Enemies and foreign critics can say what they please. Weaklings and despondents at home may groan under the burden, but the youth and strength of the Russian people is essentially at one with the Kremlin's program, believes it worthwhile and supports it, however hard be the sledding."
--New York Times, December 9, 1932, page 6
"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs."
--New York Times, May 14, 1933, page 18
"There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition."
--New York Times, March 31, 1933, page 13

Those who opposed collectivisation should be "liquidated or melted in the hot fire of exile and labor into the proletarian mass".

Stalin himself praised Duranty in 1933, saying that Duranty "(tried) to tell the truth about our country." And "the final fate of such enemies is death.".
Malcolm Muggeridge, the Manchester Guardian correspondent and Duranty's contemporary, described him as "the greatest liar of any journalist I have met in fifty years of journalism."

Another Muggeridge quote

Wise old [Bernard]Shaw, high-minded old [Henri]Barbusse, the venerable [Sidney and Beatrice] Webbs, [Andre] Gide the pure in heart and [Pablo] Picasso the impure, down to poor little teachers, crazed clergymen and millionaires, driveling dons and very special correspondents like Duranty, all resolved, come what might, to believe anything, however preposterous, to overlook nothing, however villainous, to approve anything, however obscurantist and brutally authoritarian, in order to be able to preserve intact the confident expectation that one of the most thorough-going, ruthless and bloody tyrannies ever to exist on earth could be relied on to champion human freedom, the brotherhood of man, and all the other good liberal causes to which they had dedicated their lives. ("Chronicles of Wasted Time," pages 275- 276.)
Most recently, a 2003 report recommended that Duranty's Pulitzer Prize be revoked, and the Times itself has distanced itself from Duranty's work. The Pulitzer Board ultimately declined to revoke the Prize, concluding that while Duranty's work fell far short of "today's standards for foreign reporting," there was "no clear and convincing evidence of deliberate deception." This unsubstantiated claim has been disproven.

Disturbing developments.

As Spencer's post requests, I've emailed it to a bunch of people, to help wake them up. I hope everyone else sends the post to everyone they know as well.

Wow. So many anti-Canadian comments. We're really not so bad, honest. We don't think we're better than the USA. And frankly, I don't think we're any more dhimmified than any other Western ccountry, including the US. It was your President who said, on September 17th, 2001:

"Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.

Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value.

I've been told that some fear to leave; some don't want to go shopping for their families; some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.

Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.

This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel just the same way I do. They're outraged, they're sad. They love America just as much as I do.

I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to come by. And may God bless us all."

(spit)

We're all on the same side at JW/DW.

"Canadians do not have a cast-iron stomach for offensive speech,"

Someone better let Russell Peters know.

Careful out there, Russ....your weak-stomach gov't may be watching.

“Canadians do not have a cast-iron stomach for offensive speech,” Mr. Gratl said in a telephone interview. “We don’t subscribe to a marketplace of ideas. Americans as a whole are more tough-minded and more prepared for verbal combat.” --from the article.

Gratl himself is weak on Islam and has no business speaking for "Canadians." I think most Canadians are closer in their ideals to the approach Americans generally have toward free expression. An important distinction needs to be made here between leftist muliticulturalist "elites" (for lack of a better term) and ordinary Canadians. I would not take Gratl's statement as representative, anymore than I would take the NY Times' Islamoleftist activism and calls for restrictions on free speech as representative of what Americans want. They don't. But the honchos at the CBC and NY Times have quite a bit more in common, politically and in their defense of islam and attack on Westerner's free expression.

Those who know the history of Trudeau's top-down societal engineering in Canada will know that these kangaroo courts regulating public discourse are not something that the general public wanted or even asked for. (I suspect even the Mao-and-Castro-admiring Trudeau would have probably opposed these radical restrictions on free expression now on the verge of being implemented). Indeed, there has never been a vote or a referendum on this issue. We might just get one, if Maclean's/Steyn loses the "case" currently being deliberated upon by the kangaroo panelists. Steyn and Coyne (Maclean's Editor) have suggested they want to lose this "case" in the quasi-judicial HRT so that they can appeal it to an actual court of law. I would estimate that most Canadians would agree that there was nothing "hateful" or illegal about Steyn's article. The topic that Steyn addresses in his article has been a part of ordinary conversations in my experience (as a Canadian) since at least a few years before Steyn's book even appeared. I say this based on my experience, and in particular based on my following in detail these "cases" against Maclean's and Steyn, and other cases against Ezra Levant and other conservative bloggers. Comments on news sites tend to favour Steyn and Maclean's (i.e., freedom of expression) in this case, not the Islamic activists who made the complaint. I see a stark contrast between what most elites in the media and government believe and what the general public believes. The people who populate these kangaroo HRCs are predominatly radical leftist activists who see the recent Islam case as a way to put restrictions on what they regard as conservative political views.

For more details on this case, check out Mark Steyn's website (also see Free Mark Steyn) and see Ezra Levant's site.

re: bush's post-9/11 speech reproduced by ImNoDhimmi.

It boggles the mind, especially this excerpt:
"The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: 'In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.'"

Before I started reading JW, I would have assumed that "those who do evil" refers to individuals who commit evil acts, such as the 19 (mostly saudi) terrorists. But now we all know better. And the second sentence of the verse makes clear that "those who do evil" refers instead to those who "reject the signs of allah & h[old] them up to ridicule," e.g., non-muslim Americans. bush didn't realize at the time -- and no doubt still doesn't realize -- that in fact he was quoting a verse from the koran that to the muslim mind would justify the 9/11 attack.

the NYT isn't alone in taking a jihadist-friendly view of the most fundamental of our freedoms. Back in February 2006 bush said the following:

"Secondly, we (Americans) believe in a free press. We also recognize that with freedom comes responsibilities. With freedom comes the responsibility to be thoughtful about others."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/02/20060208-1.html

Points:

1) Obvious trial balloon
2) The goal is, of course, to eventually subjugate American constitutional law to a new international law, which the OIC will help define.

Points:

1) Obvious trial balloon
2) The goal is, of course, to eventually subjugate American constitutional law to a new international law, which the OIC will help define.

Backflash, late afternoon of Sept 11, 2001.

Typical nice middle class Western liberal in front of the TV set in a bar:

NMCWL: "Oh, my God! How awful! How terrible! Oh, those poor, poor Muslims!"

Bartender: "Poor Muslims? What the hell are you talking about?"

NMCWL: "The backlash! The backlash is going to be HORRIBLE! People shouldn't even be allowed to WATCH THIS!!!"

Here's an excellent article rom the City Journal by Bruce Bawer, titled "An Anatomy of Surrender". It cites the work of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Robert Spencer, among many others. JW readers will be familiar with much of the content, but it gives a very good--and very disturbing--overview of just how eroded our freedom of speech in the West has become, especially vis-a-vis Islam.

Here's the link:

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_2_cultural_jihadists.html

Here's the shocking view--from some, anyway--from the great North:

Canadian Human Rights Commission (HRC) investigator Dean Steacy was asked "What value do you give freedom of speech when you investigate?" Dean responded: "Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value."

No wonder they had no qualms about prosecuting Mark Steyn and Macleans. America Alone indeed--if we don't let the NYT declare freedom of speech to be unsophisticated and "out of step".

I have a friend who is a journalist with a major newspaper.

He will be sent the original NYT article in its entirety, together with the version posted here (text plus Mr Spencer's running commentary).

I think the question is begging to be asked:

Is this the same New York Times that listed Mark Steyn's America Alone as a #1 Bestseller and hawked it for many months on its bestseller lists?

The "racist screed" to which they refer, which appeared in MacLean's magazine, is nothing more, and nothing less, than a chapter from that very book, reprinted as their leading article under the title "The future belongs to Islam." It's a worthy read, and a prerequisite for ANYONE who wishes to comment on this issue.

Frankly I'm a little shocked that this gigantic post, and enormous comment section that follows, contains no link to it (until now).

It all meshes perfectly with the plan to advance Islam by "dialogue control". We're going to see a lot more of this, folks!

The New York Times headline in print is even worse than the article content.

Please allow me to cite an LGF poster, who says:

There is an issue which I think has been missed thus far:

In the print edition, the Times used the following headline for the column, appearing at the top of the front page:

Outside U.S., Hate Speech Can Be Costly

This is a filthy headline. It assumes the words (books, articles) in question to be hate speech, when in fact they are often no more than crticism of Islam.

While in principle even "hate speech" should not be supressed, most of us are far more upset at Steyn being suppressed, than neo-Nazi parties.

We don't have to defend Nazi speech to be outraged at suppression of Steyn's speech - and I am particularly outraged at the Times' implicit categorisation of the works of Steyn, Ehrenfeld, Bardot, Fallaci and others as "hate speech"!

There is an agenda at work - that of leftist Islamophilia allied with creeping dhimmitude.







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