Incredible. They turn the world upside down and then demand that everyone stand on his head. Fauzia Mufti Abbas, after jihadist thugs and murderers in her country killed six innocent people because of some cartoons published in a newspaper half a world away, has the volcanic chutzpah to say to Denmark that "the people of Pakistan that feel they have been harassed by what your newspaper has begun."
You know something, Fauzia? I myself feel more harassed by the murders of six people (who, by the way, had nothing to do with the cartoons, although even if they had been the cartoonists themselves this would be no better) than I do by any affront to my religion. If you or anyone else drew cartoons of people I revere and respect, people I think brought the best things to humanity, if you made fun of them, ridiculed and mocked them in the most outrageous terms, I might think you were a boor. I might think you were an idiot. But I would not kill you. I would not kill anyone else. I would not think anyone else was justified in killing you or anyone else. I would chalk it up to the fact that people differ in good faith about what is true and good, and we all have to live in the same world.
To suggest that the offense you have suffered, or want us to think you have suffered, or want us to think that your coreligionists have suffered, is sufficient to warrant the killing of anyone, is a monstrous exercise in moral myopia. You have lost all perspective, if you ever had any to begin with. And now you are demanding that we lose all perspective as well.
Well, sorry. Even if the august Rohan Gunaratna (whose name is misspelled in the article below) and so many others among the learned analysts become rhinoceri, drink the Kool-Aid, don the zunnar, I never will. "There is still a lot of dissatisfaction here about the cartoons," he tells us, "as well as the fact that the Danish government still has not condemned them or the people that were responsible for them. As long as that hasn't happened, Denmark will be under the constant threat of militant muslims." Is that so, Gunaratna? So it's all up to the Danish government, eh? Muslim leaders in Pakistan have no responsibility to tell their "militant muslims" that the cartoons did not harm them or Muhammad, and that rioting and killing for this is wrong, and, indeed, insane? No, they need not tell them that. Their irrational outrage is always our responsibility to rein in, eh, Gunaratna?
Of course, Muslim leaders, in Pakistan and elsewhere, want to foster exactly that perception, because it coalesces neatly with the Islamic supremacist agenda. Muslims may do whatever they wish. It is up to Western non-Muslims to adjust and adapt however they must, in order to placate them. And that includes everything up to and including abandoning the freedom of speech in favor of the chastened silence prescribed for dhimmis in Islamic law.
Fauzia Mufti Abbas also asked: "I'd like to know if your newspaper is satisfied with what it has done and what it has unleashed?" That is the question that should be asked of all Muslims who have killed or exhorted others to violence over these cartoons -- not of the cartoonists or any Western government.
Pakistan ambassador: 'Are you satisfied?,'" from the Copenhagen Post, June 4 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
Danes need look no further than their own newspapers to find the reason for the car bombing that severely damaged their embassy in Pakistan on Monday, according to Rohan Gunaranta, an international terrorism expert from Pakistan.'There is still a lot of dissatisfaction here about the cartoons, as well as the fact that the Danish government still has not condemned them or the people that were responsible for them. As long as that hasn't happened, Denmark will be under the constant threat of militant muslims,' Gunaranta said.
Fauzia Mufti Abbas, Pakistan's ambassador to Denmark, agreed that the Mohammed cartoons, first published in Jyllands-Posten newspaper in October 2005, had incited Muslim anger and were possibly the motivation for the attack, which killed eight and wounded as many as 30.
'It isn't just the people of Pakistan that feel they have been harassed by what your newspaper has begun,' she said. 'I'd like to know if your newspaper is satisfied with what it has done and what it has unleashed?'...
I don't know why you're so surprised Robert. It's just your basic everyday Islamo-Wah. It's normal.
I mean, haven't you ever blown someone to pieces because you were offended?
"Incredible. They turn the world upside down" --RS
That is the word - Incredible.
Get right in their faces--be a thorn-in-the-flesh. You go, Robert.
The Government and People of Pakistan--SYMPATHIZERS, FACILITATORS & ENABLERS, PROTECTORS, HOSTS, and out-right COLLABORATORS of AL-QAEDA--ENEMIES of FREEDOM.
Add "APOLOGISTS and DEFENDERS."
Obviously, this isn't just Denmark's fault. It's also America's -- for not forcing Israel to give the Palestinians a state, don't y'know. What, they haven't mentioned that yet? Relax; they'll get to it.
Does anyone out there still believe in this "religion of peace" business?
Rationized barbarianism--what kind of benign and enlightening, humanizing influence is this Islam, then?
Does anyone out there still believe in this "religion of peace" business?
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at June 7, 2008 10:34 AM
Probably only our President.
I am sick of Islam and the whining, appeasement and apologetic attitude, and victim mentality of Muslims when in reality Islam has devastated many cultures it has and continues to cause grave damage and suffering to all of humanity. I will continue to fight Islam and its evil teachings. Pakistan has become a breeding ground and threat to all free peoples of the world ever since Muslims wanted their own land. It has not brought peace or freedom.
Time for more Motoons, if you ask me.
I'm starting to get offended by the portrayal of Jews in the Koran. You never know what I might do!!
Incredible? Sure.
But what's even more incredible is that our nutroots swallow the cool-aid and would rather have us shut up at any cost. Geert Wilders, Ezra Levant, Mark Steyn, Spencer, all of us are basically seen as outcasts who disturb the kumbayah fest between moonbats, commies and Islamic infil-traitors.
No. No can do. They have to be told to shove it. Just who will?
Once again a muslim doing an excellent job of teaching westerners what islam is really all about.
Rock on my muslim brothers. And while you're at it why don't you riot a little over there in Pakistan. You know...burn each other's property and kill a few of your co-religionists. Really. We're watching...we'll be impressed. Come on...show us how peaceful islam is. You braindead maggot.
I'm speechless. It's past time for Pakistan to reap the whirlwind.
This is amusing. In theory, if hypothetical residents on the planet 'M', in a galaxy far, far away - insult the prophet - then, muslims on our planet need to riot, etc.
Only a moron from Washington D.C. could fall for this act.
Muslim babies cry and riot, then get hurt or killed, and then it's our fault? What a bunch of babies. Too bad they're also murderous, deceitful, destructive, irresponsible, supremacist, world's most ignorant babies, who as 'adults' are acting out their Mohammad's violent Allah Cult.
They are beyond hope, like an abusive child who hits another and then cries it hurt its hand. At least babies in time can learn, not these babies. Murder and mayhem in the name of their Allah Cult seems totally normal, so why worry? "There, there babies, we don't expect any better from you. There, there, go and do your baby behavior and riot.... Nice babies." Bad babies.
In craziest voice possible scream...
"Your making me hurt you."
Serial Abusers, also scream out the same line in defense of their assaults. This is a sign of extremely neurotic behavior.
Is that what "Mosques" really are? An Armory and Asylum for masses of mass murderers?
Here's what I sent to the Copenhagen newspaper:
>>'There is still a lot of dissatisfaction here about the cartoons, as well as the fact that the Danish government still has not condemned them or the people that were responsible for them. As long as that hasn't happened, Denmark will be under the constant threat of militant muslims,' Gunaranta said.
And so agreed Fauzia Mufti Abbas, Pakistan's ambassador to Denmark.
Will it EVER be possible for the Muftis and Sheiks and Imams to tell THEIR OWN people to quit killing non-muslims over some cartoons, or for any other reason? Until Muslim leaders make an effort to eliminate violence out of Islam, there will be nothing that the West can do, no matter how much it "bows and scrapes" and apologizes for perceived and/or actual offenses.
Christianity eliminated slavery from those areas where it has had influence. The West has given rights and dignity to all people, regardless of race, gender, or economic status. However, there are no such corresponding movements in Islam ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD or AT ANY TIME IN HISTORY.
When you think about it, the West should be demanding reform from Islam, not the other way around.
I'm with Jørn Mikkelsen, Jyllands-Posten's editor-in-chief. I'm not willing to give up my cherished rights to freedom of speech or freedom of the press. The Muslim world should be moving TOWARD rights, not trying to drag the West down to a new Dark Age of no rights!
Well said, Robert.
What did Denmark do to Pakistan? Those cartoons weren't distributed in Pakistan. They were over and done with long before Pakistanis laid eyes on them.
If Pakistanis want to bomb their own country they're free to do so. Bombs away! Kill each other. The best thing Denmark and all Western countries could do is close their embassies in Pakistan and leave that hellhole to rot. The next earthquake should be met with total silence. All aid should come from Muslim countries. The opposite of love is indifference. Western indifference is what Pakistan has earned.
Pakistan's ambassador and his government are blaming the victims and thus aiding the thugs.
This is as if someone finding a rapist brutalizing a woman, didn't stop the rapist, but instead said, "there, are you pleased, madam, with the consequences of not wearing the burka that rapists demand all women wear if women wish not to be raped?"
Henceforth, when Muslims demand (they never ask) for asylum in the west, that's just where they should be sent-- to an asylum--until they are ready to go back to their sandbox.
Muslim self-pity and scapegoating continues while at the same time there is no effort at all by the Islamic world to address the many pathologies which exist within it. What a wretched excuse for a major religion Islam is. What a burden Muslims are to the entire world.
GUNARANTA: "There is still a lot of dissatisfaction here about the cartoons, as well as the fact that the Danish government still has not condemned them or the people that were responsible for them. As long as that hasn't happened, Denmark will be under the constant threat of militant muslims"
Once again, a so-called "moderate Muslim" adroitly uses the good-cop, bad-cop paradigm to condition infidels into minding their place.
One minor, redundant comment: This statement by the Pakistani ambassador is a classic deep denial thing -- angrily ascribing responsibility to the other, refusing to accept responsibility oneself or even to consider the mere notion of accepting responsibility oneself.
And one minor curmudgeonness: I think we need a new word, rather than to ascribe "chutzpah" to people like this ambassador. I think such ascription impoverishes the word "chutzpah," which has a certain classiness to it. And "chutzpah" comes from another tradition, with which this tradition is in radical, even mortal opposition. It would seem we need a word with an Arabic root, if possible with some historical or anecdotal resonances. I am too unschooled to be able to suggest a candidate word.
And "chutzpah" comes from another tradition, with which this tradition is in radical, even mortal opposition. It would seem we need a word with an Arabic root, if possible with some historical or anecdotal resonances. - Pilgrim
Something that starts with "inshallah" as a root, to portray their ignorance, fatalism, and idiotic audacity all at once. Arabs have no class, while the others have lots. ;)
I'll say one thing for Muslims, no matter how reprehensible their beliefs and actions are, they defend them publicly and shalelessly before the whole world.
Western leaders, on the other hand, who are heirs to the noblest principles and ideals ever conceived by man, are silent in their defense.
I believe that Robert's above reply to Fauzia Is the only honest reply possible. The only thing lacking is the courage to put it in a diplomatic pouch and send it off to the Pakistani government.
The silence of Denmark, and all Western governments, only reinforces the Muslim belief that they have a legitimate beef with Western societies. They need to be doused with a bucket of cold water to wake them up to the fact that no one cares what they think or believe about anything.
It's stuff like this that makes me glad to see food prices rising globally so much because that hits Muslim countries much harder than the West. Good, I hope they starve in the streets of Pakistan and every other Muslim hellhole. Let them eat their Korans.
The entire civilized world to Pakistan: "We'd like to know if your wretched excuse of a country is satisfied with what Mohammad has done and what he has unleashed?"
How about "chutzpallah"? It may be poor Arabic but captures the spirit of Pakistani ambassador's childish "see what your cartoons have made us do?" LOL
Those who stir the dragon are guilty. Let the dragon appeasers handle it. Just throw the dragon a virgin now and then, to satisfy it and it will go back to sleep. Just don't awaken it unnecessarily! That is the most serious of crimes!
Then it will attack the whole village!
This is just blame the victim. FU moderate Muslims. You're complicite in murder, just as if you pulled the trigger.
http://www.bravenewsworld.blogspot.com
This is as if someone finding a rapist brutalizing a woman, didn't stop the rapist, but instead said, "there, are you pleased, madam, with the consequences of not wearing the burka that rapists demand all women wear if women wish not to be raped?"
Posted by: traeh
traeh,
Perfect description of the Muslim male's likely reaction to a woman being raped: she must have done something to deserve it.
PMK: "Perfect description of the Muslim male's likely reaction to a woman being raped: she must have done something to deserve it."
Uni Wikkan, noted Left-wing Norwegian sociologist, also believes so. Her advice to native Norwegian women who have been raped by Pakistani immigrants:
'Try to understand that you now live in a multicultural society and dress accordingly.'
Such thinking will soon be common in the West...and just as is now happening in many Muslim countries, Christian women will start wearing the head scarf for reasons of personal safety. In fact, this phenomenon is already occurring in Malmo, Sweden.
Just a couple of points:
One. Rohan Gunaratna doesn't sound like a Muslim name; a moderate Muslim he ain't. Name sounds either Hindu or Sri Lankan Buddhist. A thorough dhimmi in other words.
Two. Pakistan is up to something fishy these days - many straws in the wind. Their nuclear hero AQ Khan has suddenly crawled out of the crevices, found his voice and is claiming to be a victim of something or the other. Paki troops have started firing at Indian positions the past few weeks. Tu-penny-ha-penny Paki ambassadors have started making threats against the West. The Paki president Musharraf doesn't want to pak his bags and give over charge to the elected leaders. Taliban rule has been more or less given recognition in the Paki North-Western badlands.
Things will get more interesting before long.
PMK, yes indeed.
Danes need look no further than their own newspapers to find the reason for the car bombing that severely damaged their embassy in Pakistan on Monday, according to Rohan Gunaranta, an international terrorism expert from Pakistan.
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Bullshit. We need look no further than the ugly combination of hypersensetivity to every perceived insult and murderous response so common in violent jihadists.
If anyone remembers, this is *exactly* what the Motoons were addressing in the first place--several of the pieces make it clear that the cartoonists and publishers will likely be threatened if they were to publish anything even mildly critical of Islam. Even though the Jyllands-posten cartoons are known collectively as the "Mohammed cartoons", it is not clear that *any* of the images represent Mohammed, even the famous "bomb in the turban" cartoon.
The intent of the cartoons was to test the commitment to free speech in West. With the exception of Flemming Rose of Jyllands-posten, some other Danish papers, and a smattering of publications around the world, it is a test that the West has largely failed. And, of course, the response from much of "the Muslim world" has been much more homicidal than I'm sure even the most concerned of the cartoonists could have feared.
If the West does not take a strong stand here, any defense of freedom of speech in the future against the growing strictures of Shari'ah will be much more difficult.
Pilgrim wrote:
And one minor curmudgeonness: I think we need a new word, rather than to ascribe "chutzpah" to people like this ambassador. I think such ascription impoverishes the word "chutzpah," which has a certain classiness to it. And "chutzpah" comes from another tradition, with which this tradition is in radical, even mortal opposition. . .
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I agree--to say someone has "chutzpah" implies a certain admiration at their boldness, as well as affront. Even using the term "nerve" is a bit equivocal as to whether it is considered negative or positive.
I don't think we need a new word, however. I think the right word is "gall"--as in, "Fauzia Mufti Abbas certainly has a lot of gall complaining about the conduct of Denmark in the Motoons affair."
I think that pretty much has the right tone.
Tanstaafl wrote:
Time for more Motoons, if you ask me.
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Let me know if you have any ideas for more cartoons, I think it's about time I put my artwork where my mouth is.