You can download a pdf of my latest long essay, Muslim Persecution of Christians, about the human rights outrage that outrages no one, here.
You can download a pdf of my latest long essay, Muslim Persecution of Christians, about the human rights outrage that outrages no one, here.
Excellent Paper- CAIR are total scum
So read an advertisement that the Council on American
Islamic Relations (CAIR) placed in California newspapers in
March 2004. The ad’s message about bridges between Islam
and Christians appeared to have a Qur’anic precedent. The
Islamic holy book asserts that Christians will be the closest
friends to Muslims:
IslamOnline, a website manned by a team of Islam scholars
headed by the internationally influential Sheikh Yusuf al-
Qaradawi, explains, “If a sane person who has reached
puberty voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to
be punished. In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (or
his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam.
If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is
immediately killed.” And what if someone doesn’t wait for
a caliph to appear and takes matters into his own hands?
Although the killer is to be “disciplined” for “arrogating the
caliph’s prerogative and encroaching upon his rights,” there
is “no blood money for killing an apostate (or any expiation)”
– in other words, no significant punishment for the killer.
i just read the site of sons of pigs and monkeys, and how the report of the Copts, the Monks who were attacked, kidnapped,tortered and killed. the cover up is sickening. the pope in Rome needs to make more of this, bring it out to the open, to shame the dictators of the me!
Hypocrisy is something muslims seem to do best.
Mr. Spencer,
After reading your blood curdling and infuriating summary of relatively recent Muslim on Christian violence, I e-mailed the following message to Amnesty International:
Posted by: Lex I e-mailed the following message to Amnesty International:
Lex, Shamnesty International isn't interested in abuses by muslims, only perceived abuses by Christians and/or Westernized nations.
Good idea to make them face their own hypocrisy though.
I followed your lead and sent them the article too.
And let's not forget holocaust against Serbs in Kosovo:
http://serbblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/brave-czechs-brave-film-stolen-kosovo.html
Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus all are free game in Islam. The Imams should be persecuted for hate crimes and Islamic leaders should be brought to the Hague for crimes against Humanity. That is not likely to happen with the idea of not offending Muslim sensibilities. Humanity has survived many thousands of years. If an idea is outdated and barbaric with current norms of human values of dignity, freedom, and equal rights under the law, then ideas that are against these values must be countered. Life has difficult choices, the clear choice is to protect the values of democracy, freedom of thought and choice, human value and rights. I would not like to see free societies become like many of the UMMAH nations, mob rule, chaos, barbaric violence and behavior. Poverty and gross disregard of human value. Many ruled by tyrants, dictators and despots with only goal is to rule the world under Sharia and Islam.
This piece should be the subject of Sunday sermons in every Christian parrish, but will it even be mentioned in the weekly bulletin? Sigh.
From the very first razzia led by the meshuga prophet, ALL non-believers became subject to incessant persecution by Islam's faithful.
Fifty-five years after she was abducted from her family's home in Baghdad by her Muslim neighbor and forced to renounce her Judaism. . .
That town in Turkey that had 150,000 Christians in 1960 and is down to 2,000 today? How many did it have in 1920? Just a guess, but I would say a half million.
Where are the "peaceful" Muslims? You wrote of the woman who said it was wrong and she told her husband so and he went and killed non-Muslims anyway. Did she leave him? Probably not. Actions speak louder than words.
It was wrong to kill them but was it wrong to tax them over and above what she had to pay? Probably not.
It was wrong to kill them but did she think it was wrong to destroy their churches? Probably not.
When I click on that link provided by Robert, I get a page that says, 'no preview available'.
Others seem to have read it, so the problem is on my end, but I don't know what to do about it...
This paper should be read by everybody.
Posted by walterrc: Lex, Shamnesty International isn't interested in abuses by muslims, only perceived abuses by Christians and/or Westernized nations.
Amnesty is also criticized in the paper, and I also think Amnesty often does seem to care much more for the plight of Muslims than for the victims of Muslim violence. Another example is their biased reporting on the Kashmir Pandits. For example Francois Gautier had to criticize them for this in an article about the Kashmiri Pandits:
http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/30franc.htm
We also witnessed firsthand the basic hostility of Amnesty International to the plight of Kashmiri Pandits. Sunil Bakshi had repeatedly sent invitations to them three weeks before the exhibition. I personally called the head of Kashmir at Amnesty International several times as well as Ingrid Massage, the director, Asia & Pacific Program of Amnesty. First she told us they only reported on first hand facts, I replied these were photographs and statistics which nobody could dispute. Finally, after ten phone calls, she said she had too many files on her desk and that she had no time to come, although the exhibtion was a few blocks from her office. So much for Amnesty's sense of justice.
i just read the site of sons of pigs and monkeys, and how the report of the Copts, the Monks who were attacked, kidnapped,tortered and killed. the cover up is sickening. the pope in Rome needs to make more of this, bring it out to the open, to shame the dictators of the me!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess
Except that the Copts are Catholic, so the Pope will do nothing (even if they were, he wouldn't be likely to do anything).
mohammed Cursing Christian
Morguerat
duh_swami,
Do you have Acrobat Reader? You need it to view .pdf's. It's a freebie.
eep, I meant the Copts are NOT Catholic...
Zena and morguerat,
It's not the me dictators and it's not that the Copts aren't Catholic. The problem is and has always been ISLAM, Mohammad's psychotically informed religion/ideology of utterly self-serving Arab supremacist bigotry, theft, rape, enslavement, and murder. Eliminate the scourge of ISLAM from the earth and watch peace and goodwill break out all over the place!
Oh believe me Lex, I know that all too well. I recall what happened when the Pope quoted someone over 600 years dead about islam being spread by the sword. I've also been a reader (and occasional poster) here for well over 4 years.
Sent this essay off to our national synod, thank you for posting. PF
Mr. Spenser,
Your article “Muslim Persecution of Christians” clearly and concisely points out high crimes against Christians around the world perpetrated by the supposed Religion of Peace. As an expatriate who has lived and worked in Indonesia extensively for the past 10 years, worked in other Muslim countries, and even married into a conservative Indonesian Muslim family, like many articles, it misses a few minor ‘intimate’ points concerning ‘why’ these atrocities continue to this day after 14 hundred years of persecution of numerous religions by Islam since the time of Muhammad. However, for the sake of refining my comments to the points of your well thought out dissertation on the persecution of Christians, I will target my remarks strictly on Indonesia since I am well versed on this subject and lived in Indonesia from the fall of Suharto to the more recent events concerning the beheading of the Christians girls on their way to school in Poso, on the island of Sulawesi.
Firstly, having lived in 100% Muslim neighborhoods and been taught the Indonesian language by a devote Muslim, I can tell you with firsthand knowledge that even the most educated Muslim will tell you with the highest level of confidence that since Muhammad spoke with the messenger sent directly by God, Islam is the Religion of God, therefore, since God created Islam and not man, Islam is the only true religion since Christianity was founded by mortal men.
That being said, after attending numerous Masjids and full scale Mosques throughout Indonesia and the surrounding islands for many years, I can tell you that the bulk of the violence directed against Christians and Hindu’s is being perpetrated by the Middle Eastern and Malaysian Imams that have been taking over the bulk of the larger Mosques for the past 15 years thanks to Saudi Arabia’s and Kuwait’s oil money. In fact, I have had countless of discussions in 3 major Indonesian cities with both Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s concerning the subject of Islam and their belief is that Indonesia’s Quranic teachings are much too liberal. Hence, they consider it their duty to convince the Indonesian elders (Imams are also referred to as “Ketua” or “Kepala” depending on their status in the village referred to as a Kampung in Indonesia) that they must teach the masses the Wahhabi way of Islam. Hence, most of my visits to the local Masjids and the larger Mosque ‘sermons’ were conducted by foreigners and of course as you already know, most of their speeches were directed against America and Israel. In fact, it appeared to me that America and Israel are the cause of the bulk of Islam’s problems including the endemic corruption in all the Muslim countries which I also witnessed firsthand having worked with two NGO’s (USAid and the World Bank) and the Ministry of Finance which is a whole book in itself.
That being said, while I have personally witnessed the burnings of Christian Churches, riots in the streets up close, and been face to face with radical Muslims that would have killed me were I not in the company of the Indonesian military, I can tell you that the bulk of the younger Indonesian men are headed in a secular direction. In fact, as a personal statistic conducted on my own, almost 45% of the Indonesian men under 30 years of age attended “Jumat” only because of peer pressure and not through religious conviction.
Clearly, Christians are second class citizens and only the Indonesian/Chinese Christians do well since they control the bulk of the economy. One thing is certain Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Malaysia and starting to call the ‘shots’ when it comes to Sharia law and Quranic teachings and the only way to combat this is through the secular education of the younger generation but with the price of gas and milk hitting sky rocket prices and totally out of reach of the average wage earner, I’m wondering if it’s only a matter of time before either the average Muslim takes to the streets or retreats into his Quranic teachings? Only time will tell.
David
San Diego
Mr. Spenser,
Your article “Muslim Persecution of Christians” clearly and concisely points out high crimes against Christians around the world perpetrated by the supposed Religion of Peace. As an expatriate who has lived and worked in Indonesia extensively for the past 10 years, worked in other Muslim countries, and even married into a conservative Indonesian Muslim family, like many articles, it misses a few minor ‘intimate’ points concerning ‘why’ these atrocities continue to this day after 14 hundred years of persecution of numerous religions by Islam since the time of Muhammad. However, for the sake of refining my comments to the points of your well thought out dissertation on the persecution of Christians, I will target my remarks strictly on Indonesia since I am well versed on this subject and lived in Indonesia from the fall of Suharto to the more recent events concerning the beheading of the Christians girls on their way to school in Poso, on the island of Sulawesi.
Firstly, having lived in 100% Muslim neighborhoods and been taught the Indonesian language by a devote Muslim, I can tell you with firsthand knowledge that even the most educated Muslim will tell you with the highest level of confidence that since Muhammad spoke with the messenger sent directly by God, Islam is the Religion of God, therefore, since God created Islam and not man, Islam is the only true religion since Christianity was founded by mortal men.
That being said, after attending numerous Masjids and full scale Mosques throughout Indonesia and the surrounding islands for many years, I can tell you that the bulk of the violence directed against Christians and Hindu’s is being perpetrated by the Middle Eastern and Malaysian Imams that have been taking over the bulk of the larger Mosques for the past 15 years thanks to Saudi Arabia’s and Kuwait’s oil money. In fact, I have had countless of discussions in 3 major Indonesian cities with both Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s concerning the subject of Islam and their belief is that Indonesia’s Quranic teachings are much too liberal. Hence, they consider it their duty to convince the Indonesian elders (Imams are also referred to as “Ketua” or “Kepala” depending on their status in the village referred to as a Kampung in Indonesia) that they must teach the masses the Wahhabi way of Islam. Hence, most of my visits to the local Masjids and the larger Mosque ‘sermons’ were conducted by foreigners and of course as you already know, most of their speeches were directed against America and Israel. In fact, it appeared to me that America and Israel are the cause of the bulk of Islam’s problems including the endemic corruption in all the Muslim countries which I also witnessed firsthand having worked with two NGO’s (USAid and the World Bank) and the Ministry of Finance which is a whole book in itself.
That being said, while I have personally witnessed the burnings of Christian Churches, riots in the streets up close, and been face to face with radical Muslims that would have killed me were I not in the company of the Indonesian military, I can tell you that the bulk of the younger Indonesian men are headed in a secular direction. In fact, as a personal statistic conducted on my own, almost 45% of the Indonesian men under 30 years of age attended “Jumat” only because of peer pressure and not through religious conviction.
Clearly, Christians are second class citizens and only the Indonesian/Chinese Christians do well since they control the bulk of the economy. One thing is certain Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Malaysia and starting to call the ‘shots’ when it comes to Sharia law and Quranic teachings and the only way to combat this is through the secular education of the younger generation but with the price of gas and milk hitting sky rocket prices and totally out of reach of the average wage earner, I’m wondering if it’s only a matter of time before either the average Muslim takes to the streets or retreats into his Quranic teachings? Only time will tell.
David
San Diego
I´ve only read up to page 16 so far, but what an outstanding article!
Mr Spencer -
thanks for writing this and pulling together so many different accounts from different places - from the Mid East to Indonesia - to give us the 'big picture'.
My parish priest will be sent the link.
And to heroyalwhyness -
that story about the Jewish girl, Hannah Menashe, who was kidnapped by the Muslims just before her family made aliyah, but who has now, as an old woman, finally escaped and is joining her surviving siblings in Israel...I broke down in tears just reading it.
At long last she is free, and going home.
It reminded me of Jeremiah 31: 15-17 - 'A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are no more.' This is what the LORD says, 'Restrain your voice from weeping, and your eyes from tears, for your work will be rewarded,' declares the LORD. 'They will return from the land of the enemy. So there is hope for your future,' declares the LORD, 'your children will return to their own land."
Let us remember all those thousands, those millions and millions of girls - and boys - from all backgrounds, Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, African animist, who like Hannah Menashe were violently removed from their non-Muslim families, by Muslim kidnappers and slavemasters and, unlike Hannah, never experienced the blessing and miracle of escape and return. All those who are STILL being thus removed. Those who were seized yesterday - those who are being seized, and raped, and abused, and enslaved, and 'converted to Islam' even as I write this.
When I was living in New York, I met an Egytian copt and his wife. They told me their story.
His name was Victor.His uncle was a priest and he had a sister. One day, some Muslims stormed their house. raped her sister. took the uncle, the father and the mother on the roof and asked them to convert, they refused.Young Victor was hiding in a closet and witnessed the murder of his family.
He ran away and managed to find a job on a boat and made his way to New York where he met his wife.
The story was so horrible that I asked some American Muslims if this could be true or not.
I was told by the Muslims that Copts made up stories in order to get visas to the USA . They also said that Muslims never attacked Christians in Egypt. It is all fabricated,
Muslims are born liars.
Muslims don't see it as persecution. To them, it's their religion and no one has the right to stop them from practicing their religion - although they have afforded themselves that privilege where others are concerned.
David,
Thank you for sharing your perspective, and for highlighting the heart of the problem that is Islam:
How do Muslims know that "Muhammad spoke with the messenger sent directly by God?" Why, isn't it obvious? It's because Muhammad said so, and "That's good enough for us!" cries the entire zombified Ummah.
To them, the fact that Muhammad was a sadistic murderer, thief, rapist, treaty breaker, wife stealer, and all around bigot "in the cause of Allah" only adds to his holy stature, as his slaves longingly pray, "Oh, if only our children would grow up to be just like Muhammad, how soon infidel scum and all Jewish pigs would be killed and dispatched to hell where they deserve to be tormented forever and ever and ever and ever..."
See Islam. See hell's religion manifest. Hear Satan roar with laughter at the spectacle of 1 BILLION+ Muslims prostrating themselves in prayer toward the exalted meteorite in Mecca instead of to the one God, living and true.
"The ruse worked! The damned idiots fell for it! Mohammad, what a fool of a tool! We chose well!"
BTW, Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ, who was a cut above mere "mortal men," but then, he was no Muhammad (thank God!).
Mr. Spenser,
Your article “Muslim Persecution of Christians” clearly and concisely points out high crimes against Christians around the world perpetrated by the supposed Religion of Peace. As an expatriate who has lived and worked in Indonesia extensively for the past 10 years, worked in other Muslim countries, and even married into a conservative Indonesian Muslim family, like many articles, it misses a few minor ‘intimate’ points concerning ‘why’ these atrocities continue to this day after 14 hundred years of persecution of numerous religions by Islam since the time of Muhammad. However, for the sake of refining my comments to the points of your well thought out dissertation on the persecution of Christians, I will target my remarks strictly on Indonesia since I am well versed on this subject and lived in Indonesia from the fall of Suharto to the more recent events concerning the beheading of the Christians girls on their way to school in Poso, on the island of Sulawesi.
Firstly, having lived in 100% Muslim neighborhoods and been taught the Indonesian language by a devote Muslim, I can tell you with firsthand knowledge that even the most educated Muslim will tell you with the highest level of confidence that since Muhammad spoke with the messenger sent directly by God, Islam is the Religion of God, therefore, since God created Islam and not man, Islam is the only true religion since Christianity was founded by mortal men.
That being said, after attending numerous Masjids and full scale Mosques throughout Indonesia and the surrounding islands for many years, I can tell you that the bulk of the violence directed against Christians and Hindu’s is being perpetrated by the Middle Eastern and Malaysian Imams that have been taking over the bulk of the larger Mosques for the past 15 years thanks to Saudi Arabia’s and Kuwait’s oil money. In fact, I have had countless of discussions in 3 major Indonesian cities with both Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s concerning the subject of Islam and their belief is that Indonesia’s Quranic teachings are much too liberal. Hence, they consider it their duty to convince the Indonesian elders (Imams are also referred to as “Ketua” or “Kepala” depending on their status in the village referred to as a Kampung in Indonesia) that they must teach the masses the Wahhabi way of Islam. Hence, most of my visits to the local Masjids and the larger Mosque ‘sermons’ were conducted by foreigners and of course as you already know, most of their speeches were directed against America and Israel. In fact, it appeared to me that America and Israel are the cause of the bulk of Islam’s problems including the endemic corruption in all the Muslim countries which I also witnessed firsthand having worked with two NGO’s (USAid and the World Bank) and the Ministry of Finance which is a whole book in itself.
That being said, while I have personally witnessed the burnings of Christian Churches, riots in the streets up close, and been face to face with radical Muslims that would have killed me were I not in the company of the Indonesian military, I can tell you that the bulk of the younger Indonesian men are headed in a secular direction. In fact, as a personal statistic conducted on my own, almost 45% of the Indonesian men under 30 years of age attended “Jumat” only because of peer pressure and not through religious conviction.
Clearly, Christians are second class citizens and only the Indonesian/Chinese Christians do well since they control the bulk of the economy. One thing is certain Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Malaysia and starting to call the ‘shots’ when it comes to Sharia law and Quranic teachings and the only way to combat this is through the secular education of the younger generation but with the price of gas and milk hitting sky rocket prices and totally out of reach of the average wage earner, I’m wondering if it’s only a matter of time before either the average Muslim takes to the streets or retreats into his Quranic teachings? Only time will tell.
David
San Diego
Our distinguished multiculturalists and rather flaccid interfaith folk yet gush that the incidents mentioned in the excellent essay are merely cleansing and purifying exercises. Such are meant for making ready - lands and peoples - for the World Caliphate and the general imposition of Sharia. So, such carnage and harm is the noble praxis of those wellmeaning folk who seek to be faithful to and follow along with the perfect example of this Prophet. nevermind that this is _______________, they whisper, or, don't speak, so as not to offend ... and loose their ________.