"We consider the statements of Obama to be further evidence of the hostility of the American administration to Arabs and Muslims"

Well that didn't take long. Obama you've lost some buddies across the pond and very likely at home too amid your vast anti-semitic, now disappointed, following. KosKiddies won't be too happy with you.

Life just got harder for Ahmadinejad. This can't be the "different approach" he was hoping for. NOW where does he go?

I'm just waiting for day that someone, perhaps even a future (and strong) Israeli leader will teach these animals some facts of life:

Jerusalem has never belonged to you; does not now belong to you; and will never ever belong to you!

You already have your damned capital - it's called Amman!

Just because Obama did his quick 180 degree turn to 'side' with Israel does not mean that he really believes it.

Don't forget who his associations are worldwide.

And just because Hamas is condemning his statements does not mean anything either.

All of Obama's associates are Anti-Israel and you have not seen him quite those associations, and you have not seen any of those people condemn him. His associates KNOW what he is doing and know that he is trying to get Jewish votes and 'appear' positive to conservative voters.

The condemnation of Obama by Hamas is as fake as Obama's claim to support Israel.

If you read anything into this it is the words 'Jerusalem should remain Israel's UNDIVIDED capitol'.

The operative word here is 'undivided'. If elected President, Obama will show to the world what 'undivided' means. It is both 'word play' and muslims double talk. He should be put on record with his interpretation and meaning of the word.

If he wants to convince me he will go public and say the Temple Mount should be controlled and accessed by Jews.

Obama's assertion that Jerusalem should be undivided and controlled by Israel was done for domestic political consumption, in particular to reassure Jewish-American voters so that they won't sit home election day or vote for John McCain. If Obama wins the Presidency, he will then conveniently forget his statements about an undivided Jerusalem.

As for statements from Hamas or Abbas, so what? One knows or should know what they want, which is no Israel at all.

How long til one of his spokesmen comes out and says his comments were misinterpreted or taken out of context? This is just one more in a long line of Gaffes this child has committed. Words just spill out of him with no thought connected. What the crowd wants the crowd gets.

Brainless...dangerous. He makes me want a bomb shelter really badly....

alaskan1000 and Wellington

The more I think on it..

Who cares what Obama reason was? All that matters is what the Islamic world thinks about it.

Obama may learn a lesson when he sees a "Papier-mâché Obama" and (perhaps his wife as well) go up in flames this coming friday.

Obama rage week! Who would have known!!!

"In the speech, Senator Obama reaffirmed his support for Israel and said Jerusalem should remain Israel's "undivided" capital."

OK - lets ask Obama to put that in writing, so he's less inclined to be just another politician making a promise and then breaking it.

Since Obama is now churchless, he could back up this new assertion by embracing Judaism. That way, he no longer has this association with wacko sects, he can be a religious member of a group that heavily tends Liberal, and he can gain a saner circle of associates than the ones he had.

Rice wants Israel to give up more territory in Judea and Samaria. Obama wants Jerusalem to remain Israel's undivided capital. I know which one I support.

I really think Obama is the enemy within. After the last few years of chaos people are looking for hope and want to believe it so do believe it. What needs to be run during the campaign are a lot of 911 docs and to hype up his associations with the wackos.

I really think Obama is the enemy within. After the last few years of chaos people are looking for hope and want to believe it so do believe it. What needs to be run during the campaign are a lot of 911 docs and to hype up his associations with the wackos.

I'm just waiting for day that someone, perhaps even a future (and strong) Israeli leader will teach these animals some facts of life:

Jerusalem has never belonged to you; does not now belong to you; and will never ever belong to you!

You already have your damned capital - it's called Amman!

Posted by: boneshack at June 4, 2008 4:21 PM

Exactly. Mohammedans are the Bullies of the World. They think that's OK 'cause Bully Mohammed told 'em so. You know, they are the "superior peoples" -LOL!

We put McCain stickers on both of our vehicles today.

Nobama - I love your moniker! I even have a bumber sticker for my car that states: NOBAMA

My husband had one on his car and someone ripped it off - guess they support the loser.

"We consider the statements of Obama to be further evidence of the hostility of the American administration to Arabs and Muslims," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said"

Great! We SHOULD be "hostile" to Arabs and Muslims. Mohammedans should stay in their own Islamic countries, that's a no-brainer. Western Europe is overcome by the "Stealth Jihad," and we are in the beginning stages. To continue permitting Mohammedan immigration to the U.S. is insane. It's completely bonkers.

champ - my "DEFEATJIHAD/JihadWatch.org" sticker was ripped off in Houston, Texas. OK - just put another one on when reached home.

While I don't like Obama's Chamberlain-esque foreign policy, the fact that he is unaware of the basic geography of the region is more disturbing. It's small wonder the man can't tell friend from foe or good from evil - he can't even find himself on a map.

Obama may learn a lesson when he sees a "Papier-mâché Obama" and (perhaps his wife as well) go up in flames this coming friday.

Obama rage week! Who would have known!!!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at June 4, 2008 4:47 PM

I hope that happens. Then the MoonBat will have learned a valuable lesson.

Hamas Barbarians - PLEASE burn Obama in effigy this weekend! And make sure your rage is seen worldwide! Thank You!

Barry has a degree in constitutional law. All of his moves are to remove the alliances he cultivated himself. Without a strong VP where will the oversight come from? Congress certainly won't be in a hurry to over rule their new hero.

I wouldnt worry to much about it, Obama practices taqiyya.

I wouldnt worry to much about it, Obama practices taqiyya.

Posted by: Mr.Fitnah at June 4, 2008 5:48 PM

Ya think? Well, that would mean he's a Mohammedan.

l wonder if Obama will appear in Dearbonstan Mich where there is the "arab vote". Obama is like most democrats, they vote in blocks.. like most Amer.blacks will vote Democrats, Jewish vote is also Democrats.. cant figure that one out.

Hey darcy - having back-up stickers is always a good plan, that's why I bought 5 of those NOBAMA stickers. Of course, whoever yanked the sticker from his car might do it again because it happened while he was at work; if it happens again, then I'll have to spray paint his rear window: NOBAMA, that way no one can mess with the message. His car is his baby, so that might make him a tiny-bit mad! :-D

Well - drastic times calls for drastic measures, right? Besides, it's just a car.

Hamas is mad...they say no to Obama!

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/06/04/hamas-unendorses-obama-after-speech-to-pro-israel-lobby/

“Hamas does not differentiate between the two presidential candidates, Obama and Mccain, because their policies regarding the Arab-Israel conflict are the same and are hostile to us, therefore we do have no preference and are not wishing for either of them to win,” Zuhri said."

Two losers? Only in Hamas World....

Who cares what Hamas thinks. Their position is all screwed-up anyway. It's like caring what the murderers on death row think - which is where Hamas should be sitting right now given their terrorist activities.

"We consider the statements of Obama to be further evidence of the hostility of the American administration to Arabs and Muslims"

How will US presidential hopeful, Obama respond?
Prodiction: No response!

Obama's claim to having strengths when it comes to foreign policy never really seem to materialize. Infact it usually leads to damage control and dead ends.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_column_obamas_african_tr.html

"Top military and foreign policy advisers for Sen. Barack Obama on Sunday pointed to Obama's 2006 Africa trip as a significant foreign policy achievement."
"Obama's African trip dominates foreign policy resume."

South Africa - Soon after arriving, Obama publicly criticized the South African government as being in "denial" for advocating nutritional treatments over medical alternatives to treat HIV/AIDS. Obama slapped South African President Thabo Mbeki a day before he hoped to meet with him -- and the meeting never took place.

Congo - He planned the visit to highlight the elections and the role of peacekeeping. He canceled the visit because of fighting between rival army factions.

Kenya - Obama very publicly criticized the administration of Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki for not rooting out corruption. Obama also appeared with opposition leader Raila Odinga -- a Luo -- who was running for president. Obama's Criticism Irked the Kenyan Government who fired back, saying Obama is a stooge for an opposing political party.

Sudan - Obama wanted to confront genocide here, but when the government stalled on giving him a visa he decided to travel to Chad to visit a refugee camp populated by people from the Darfur region of Sudan. Obama had a brief meeting with Chad President Idriss Deby Itno to talk about getting a U.N. force into Sudan. It never happened.

"The key for me on this trip is to try to make sure the focus is on the people we meet, the stories we hear, the policies that are being put forward and not just that this is an episode of Biography" Obama

champ

But it does…

First I don't support Obama for president, but I do support Hamas having a meltdown over the "Messiah" not being all he is cracked up to be. The Muslims in the Middle East are going to go nuts over this. No American president, or any potential U.S. presidential nominee has EVER said those words. Remember words and symbolism mean more to these folks then dead people do.

I give people their due when they do something right. I agree that Jerusalem should be the unified capital of Israel. I also agree that Pakistan should be bombed. Thus I give him his due in those two cases. He could by lying, or he maybe is telling the truth. However, all these people getting on here huffing and puffing like little kids: “He don’t reaaaaalllly mean it, he just wants to suck up, yada, yada…”. If McCain and Bush have any guts they would come out tomorrow and say the same thing. Say it loud and say it proud!

He is still a left wing naïve fool, but I am sick and tired of conservatives turning themselves into pretzels trying to explain why he said what he said. The real reason some people are angry is because many of us wished a conservative had said those same things...like our current president. Yet he did not. In fact, the only other time Obama got something right (His bomb Pakistan idea) the Bush administration condemned him. Certain conservative blogs went nuts over that, because our poor ally Pakistan (critical in our war on terror!) was offended…including a very important one (No, not this one), but I think I will punt on that…

Hostility to Arabs and muslims works for me. It's a beginnning.

Now for some fun. Let's imagine how this report *might* have read, if Reuters were not either controlled by the Islamintern, or deceived by their Big Lies:

"Palestinian Arab Muslims condemn Obama speech"

'A SPEECH by US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on the Israeli-Palestinian Arab conflict drew condemnation from both ‘Palestinian’ Arab Muslim factions today.
'The aggressively jihadi Hamas movement that rules the Gaza Strip slammed the speech to a powerful US-Israeli lobby group in Washington, saying it confirmed US "hostility" to Arabs and Muslims.

'"We consider the statements of Obama to be further evidence of the hostility of the American administration to Arabs and Muslims," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said.

'In the speech, Senator Obama reaffirmed his support for Israel and said Jerusalem should remain Israel's "undivided" capital.

'‘Palestinian’ Arabs, including P. A. President Mahmoud Abbas, have demanded that east Jerusalem (which contains the Temple Mount, Judaism’s holiest site, the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and the ancient Jewish Quarter of the Old City, and which was re-occupied and annexed by the Jewish state of Israel in the course of their response to Jordanian Muslim attack during the 1967 war) be the capital of a future state of 'Palestine'.
The nations of the world, including the United States, have refused to recognised the right of the Jews to all of their ancient capital; virtually every country in the world has its embassy in the seaside city of Tel Aviv.
Senator Obama's comments on Jerusalem to the American Israel Public Affairs Council (AIPAC) also drew criticism from Mr Abbas.
"We reject these words," Mr Abbas said in the Muslim-dominated ‘Palestinian’ Arab political "capital" of Ramallah.
"Jerusalem is one of the files under negotiation. The entire world knows perfectly well that we will never accept a state without (east) Jerusalem (as its capital). That should be clear."...

There. That would have been better.

Funny what a difference just a few words can make.

Typo. For 'recognised' in my above rewrite and correction of Reuters' article, read 'recognise'.

Greatcomet: I have no love for Islam, am toying with putting a NOBAMA sticker on my car, and think an undivided Israeli Jerusalem a good idea. However, I think Das Wunderkind (no sex)Obama has simply shown his foreign policy weaknesses again--unfortunately, the American electorate's inability to see it makes it the American electorate.

Bombing Iran or Pakistan would be unspeakably rash.
It would be better far to leave both cesspools to stew in their own juices. Our elites worked overtime to save the Asia of the 1940's-'70's from going Communist when every Asian intellectual badly, badly, badly, badly wanted to try that option; now we're working overtime to save the Islamic world from its own internal demons when the Islamic world wants badly, badly, badly to embrace them. Bush's well-meaning democracy initiative has backfired as surely as the Kennedy-LBJ policies failed in their day. Wunderkind Obama will probably also lead us into some unspeakable mess, too--perhaps an ill-planned and worse-advised effort to ride to Darfur's rescue on the heels of a Mogadishu-esque withdrawal from Iraq.

There is a lot that can be done to contain and blunt the Jihad without committing million dollar missiles to blow up twenty dollar tents or commit ourselves to "humanitarian" ventures on behalf of people who will feel no gratitude and blame us for anything that goes wrong.

I wouldn't be to quick to judge Obama if I were these Muslim critics. No one really knows who Obama is, what he believes, what he stands for.

20 years soaking up anti-semetic, Farrakhan loving, sermons in Rev. Wright's church had to have made some impression on him.

Jewish voters, or any voters, who support this man based on a single speech to Israeli lobbyist are fools.

No American president, or any potential U.S. presidential nominee has EVER said those words. Remember words and symbolism mean more to these folks then dead people do.

greatcomet,

Maybe so, but actions still speak louder than words. What does it matter what the president or candidate says or how loud he says it if he isn't prepared to back it up?

George W. Bush is Exhibit A.

He once talked a good game about defeating radical Islam but now he's afraid of offending anyone and look where we are: words that had become part of the nomenclature are verboten.

That's the fear I have about Obama. Does he mean what he says? It's not a trivial question.

Oboma is a lying, racist muslim who used to go to an alleged Christian Church.

OH, MY MISTAKE! He is just a POLITICIAN running for President of the United States.

In this cynical age that is how people get elected to office. It has nothing to do with what is right or good for the country. Or what is true or false it is all relative and getting elected and having the power is the only and everything.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 4, 2008 4:59 PM

C'mon IP. In all fairness, Obaba said dhe would finf=d a new church right after he was sworn in as POTUS.

This charade that Obama is currently engaged in, trying to ride the fence, will fail on both sides, I beleive.

I said this many hours ago on the last post, but it is certainly satisfying to see it come to fruition so quickly.

My apologies for the hasty, poorly worded intro. That is inexusable.

Zena: "l wonder if Obama will appear in Dearbonstan Mich where there is the "arab vote". Obama is like most democrats, they vote in blocks.. like most Amer.blacks will vote Democrats, Jewish vote is also Democrats.. cant figure that one out."

Zena,

As a Jewish Democrat and Obama supporter, I'll try and help you out a bit.

Jews actually are actually a tolerant and noble people. We remember the Holocaust, so we fight intolerance, no matter where it comes from. If it comes from Hamas, we seek to destroy the organization and eliminate its hateful ideologies. Same goes for Rev's Wright and Hagee.

We also fight intolerance in this country. During the 1960's, my dad couldn't eat a lunch out many places in the South. Most restaurants said "No Blacks, Jews, or Dogs." So my dad, along with most of the Jews in that generation, supported the civil rights movement. That, along with our commitment to helping the neediest, is the reason most Jews today remain democrats.

Virtually all Jews in this country support Israel, and would not support a candidate that they felt would hurt the Jewish people. Remember who sold out Abbas and Olmert by forcing them to hold Palestinian elections, including Hamas? Not Obama! It was George Bush. Obama was also the only candidate to fight Musharraf, who in implicitly (letting MMA roam free) and explicitly (rigging elections so radical Islamists won) supporting the MMA was the heir to Zia al-Haq. I think his judgement on foreign policy is superior.

But some folks are not entirely concerned with these issues. Instead, they talk about his "associations", and some go further and say he is the "enemy from within" practicing "Taqiya". If you were to flash back fifty years, people in similar positions in society would be saying the same about my father.

I am not sure what country you guys think you are in, but in America we judge people by their actions and the content of their character. I'm friend with the president of my school's AIPAC chapter. If he heard this sort of trash, he would be repulsed. Same with the president of my Hillel, who is also heavily involved in AIPAC. Let's stick to the issues. There's lots to discuss, and they're of immense importance.

Or maybe, Zena, I should ask folks like you to keep going. Maybe if you keep repeating that my people "vote in blocs, like all Democrats", your bigotry--and the bigotry of all who oppose Obama based on "associations"--will be exposed, and Jews will rally to Obama (whose support for Israel is as strong as anyone else's), and drive bigotry of this sort out of American political culture forever.

Les’see, if a group votes “in a block” and you have the insolence to point this out - well then you’re a bigot and “should be driven out of American political culture forever”.

Behold! the fascinating phenomenon of an American Jew, who’s thinking (?) is so far liberal that he resembles a devout Muslim.

So, to ensure the sort of “tolerance” that Liberals and Muslims require, you are hereby labeled a “bigot” and righteously banned from all further communication - forever.

Got it Zena?

"I am not sure what country you guys think you are in, but in America we judge people by their actions and the content of their character."

Posted by: Shlomo_Michael at June 5, 2008 12:45 AM

Of course, in this case, regarding Obama...not so much. I mean how could you be genuine when you champion Obama for residing in an noticably anti-American, racist, anti-semitic church for 20 years?

The short answer is...you can't, unless of course you think Farrakhan has a legitinate point.

You are a liar and a provacateur. This is not new news.

Shlomo_Michael -

Don't overlook the fact that Obama has stated his willingness to sit down with the President of Iran - a man hell bent on the destruction of Israel. This is a major red flag, one that I'm sure you've given careful thought to.

What is your defense of Obama now - in light of this move to suggest such a meeting with Ahmad? This is a hard question to ignore or defend, but I am curious how YOU would defend it.

Shlomo_Michael: In light of Obama's close and long-term association with Jeremiah Wright, who is a racist and anti-Semite pretty much along the same lines as Louis Farrakhan, I don't see how any Jewish-American can support Obama. Besides, he's a Far Left type, which means he doesn't understand that civilization must be tough as well as decent. If Obama is elected President, I predict most any Jewish-American who will have voted for him will eventually look nostalgically upon the Bush Presidency.

A.
CHAMP: "Don't overlook the fact that Obama has stated his willingness to sit down with the President of Iran - a man hell bent on the destruction of Israel. This is a major red flag, one that I'm sure you've given careful thought to.

What is your defense of Obama now - in light of this move to suggest such a meeting with Ahmad? This is a hard question to ignore or defend, but I am curious how YOU would defend it."

All the presidents since WW2, Democratic or Republican, held regular meetings with their Soviet counterparts--and the Soviets were far more of a threat than Iran. Before he died, Stalin almost pulled a Hitler with the "Doctors' Plot." In 1973, Soviet paratroopers were in the air, set to land in Egypt, overrun the Negev, and destroy the State of Israel. Under American nuclear alert, they were pulled back.

After that, the meetings with USSR officials continued as before. These meetings were supported by nearly 100% of American Jews, as they were by nearly 100% of everyone else. I think these meetings were a good idea. It's not because I think the Soviets are wonderful people; it's because these meetings were productive.

Iran does not have nukes, but there are still conditions of mutual deterrence. If we attack Iran AND do not eliminate their rocket launchers, there will be a rain of attacks into Israel that could seriously wound the state.

But we actually do not have to use ONLY military force. The Soviets were even more dangerous for Jews, but we managed to defeat them without force. The USSR fell when Eastern Europeans got sick of Communism. That's how change happens, that's how it will happen in Iran. Already Iranian dissidents have posed a substantial political threat to the Ayatollahs. If we end the useless posturing, the focus in Iran will shift to domestic policy, in which Iran is none too hot right now.

B.
AWAKE and WELLINGTON:
There is another principle of this country that perhaps you need a reminder of: separation of church and state. Obama signed up for the church because of what it did for his soul. You don't enlist in a religious institution because of its political association--not unless you're fighting the European Wars of Religion, which were not kind to European Jews. Part of the reason Jews like America so much is that here, there are no religious preconditions for political office.

I don't like Farrakhan or Wright. Obama was right to denounce these folks, because both are bigots.

But if we want to play the associations game, I am equally concerned with McCain's eagerness for John Hagee's endorsement. Wright was on an obscure faith committee, but McCain OPENLY and PUBLICLY sought the endorsement of an overt antisemite. Given McCain's advocacy of a "League of Democracies", I am disturbed that he chose Doug Goodyear to the convention delegation. (Previous job: helping crush democracy in Burma.) Furthermore, I am disturbed by the fact that in 2006, while Obama was denouncing genocide on Washinton Mall, Cindy McCain was deepening her ties to companies invested in Khartoum. If you're worried about ties to Islamists, I'd take Farrakhan over Umar Bashir any day. If you're worried about antipatriotism, again, McCain's association with Goodyear flies in the face of his rhetoric on democracy.

We could play these games all day. Ultimately, I think the "associations game" is nonsense, so I'd rather not do that. I would be happy to call it a day, and stick to the issues.

Shlomo_Michael: Jeremiah Wright was Obama's pastor and spiritual mentor for two decades and someone who Obama extolled to the maximum, including in silly, fluffy book he wrote, The Audacity of Hope. John Hagee was never McCain's pastor and "merely" endorsed him. Besides, it's my understanding that Hagee is a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist. See Michael Medved or Dennis Prager on this.

And I don't need any reminder about the separation of church and state issue. I know it well enough. I also know that church and state are hardly separated at all in black churches across America.

I'll close by saying that I think that any Jewish-American, or anyone who supports a strong and independent Israel, as I do, who votes for Obama is doing a very foolish thing. He is at best another Jimmy Carter. At worst, a disaster in waiting for America and Israel. I'm done here.