And the other 2/3 are perhaps engaging in taqiyya. "Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students," by Patrick Sawer, for the Telegraph, July 26:
A third of Muslim students in Britain believe killing someone in the name of religion is justified, a new poll claims.
The survey found that extreme Islamist ideology has a profound influence on a significant minority of Muslims on campuses across the country.The findings will concern police chiefs, the security services and ministers, who are struggling with radicalisation among Muslim communities.
The YouGov poll was conducted for the Right-wing think tank, the Centre for Social Cohesion, at 12 universities, including Imperial College and Kings College London. It also found:
40 per cent support the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims; a third back the notion of a worldwide Islamic caliphate (state) based on sharia law
40 per feel it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah; a quarter have little or no respect for homosexuals.
Although 53 per cent said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 32 per cent said that it was. Of these, 4 per cent said killing could be justified to "promote or preserve" religion, while 28 per cent said it was acceptable if that religion were under attack.There was also sympathy for the view that Muslim soldiers in the Armed Forces should be allowed to opt out of operations in Muslim countries, with 57 per cent agreeing.
The report's authors found that Islamic societies on campus, operating under the umbrella of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies, exert a strong influence on many of Britain's 90,000 Muslim students. A quarter of them belong to Islamic societies and their views are often more extreme.
Just imagine the outcry in the media if that poll had found that 1/3 of the UK believed that murder of Moslems in the name of civilization was justifiable.
Translation: One third of British Muslims believe that killing two thirds of the other Muslims, in addition to 100% of the Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and unaffiliated in the name of religion is justified, and killing your daughter or little sister is okay, if she pisses you off by wanting to act all "English", i.e. like a whore.
The good news is that it is a tiny minority, and you can roll over and go back to sleep, now. The Beeb is taking care of you.
From the article: "The report's authors found that Islamic societies on campus, operating under the umbrella of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies, exert a strong influence on many of Britain's 90,000 Muslim students. A quarter of them belong to Islamic societies and their views are often more extreme."
Memo to all Universities in the non-Muslim World (west *or* East - e.g. India, Thailand), and to anyone reading here who has anything to do with our universities (whether as student, administrator, faculty member or even in humble capacity as security officer, groundsman or toilet cleaner): WATCH the Muslims around that campus.
Watch those Islamic Student Societies, to start with:READ their posters that advertise meetings and activities. DO NOT TRUST them. Monitor their activities. If you are a cleaner or maintenance worker or groundsman, keep your eyes open for the unusual.
But don't assume it's just the students, as the posted article seems to think. *Any*Muslim on campus should receive your wary attention: in the administration (yes, right down to the humble secretary or receptionist), on the faculty, and unnoticed among the groundsmen or security officers.
And if your university has one of these amazing oil-money-funded 'Islamic Studies Centres' - they have popped up all over the kafir world in the past four decades - then, watch hard.
Rule of thumb: watch the degree of covering adopted by the Muslim women on campus. The more covered-up they are, the more jihad-minded their male counterparts are likely to be.
This is not an infallible rule, but an indicator. (Bear in mind also the principle of al-taqiyya, dissimulation; some of the most dangerous may adopt an outwardly 'western' in appearance in order to get under kafir guard).
Yeah, and according to Reuters, "nearly two-thirds of Egyptian men admit to having sexually harassed women, and a majority say women themselves are to blame for their maltreatment."
http://information.travel.aol.com/article/news-feeds/_a/two-thirds-of-egyptian-men-admit-to/20080722105009990001?ncid=AOLCOMMtravdynlsec0145
Subhumans, it's the only explanation.
As worrying as these figures are, they apply only to students in universities that have lots of muslim students. This is probably the most problematic demographic and where you should expect the worst statistics.
I blame the UK education system for failing to dispel fundamentalist beleifs. I bet many of these guys also believe that Adam and Eve and other early humans were 30 metres tall. None will accept evolution.
I think we may be choosing respect for superstitions over helping children formulate a reasonable world view. If people think that god's will, as depicted in a holy book, is the definition of good then you've got to expect problems.
"A third of Muslim students in Britain believe killing someone in the name of religion is justified, a new poll claims."
-- from the article above
And that's just counting the ones who told the truth.
When these nutjobs murder in the name of islam aren't they really just saying "the Devil made me do it?"
Satan must be very, very proud.
"The findings will concern police chiefs, the security services and ministers...."
I would have thought it would concern the entire non-Muslim population of the UK.
genemachine
From my own experience of working in muslim areas I would say the problem cannot be wished away by qualifying the statistics. Educated people in the West are just not permitted such views. Also I had a child of walk up to my late wife and punch her in the stomach, as he was about 6 years old that was about as high as he could reach. Please do not insult me by offering any explanation other than he had been taught white people were bad by his family.
Consider also the following report copied from the BNP web site which you may dismiss out of hand because of the source. However if it is not true the “Community Relations Council” will be banging on their door on Monday morning, if not dragging them from their beds tonight.
BEGINS
"The following piece is taken verbatim from a member of the public who is in contact with our correspondent in the South West. We have withheld his name for legal reasons.
The story is a shocking indication of just how far Britain has slid into a fully fledged police state, one which would make even zealous Gestapo officers blush. Hence this story is tribute to the Democratic Gestapo of modern Britain:
“I am 43 years old. The other day, while I was in Gloucester town centre with my two children when I came across an Islamic propagation stall. I started a conversation with the people manning the stall, who told me that the 7/7 bombings were a plot against Islam and UK were the terrorists! I was further outraged when they told my children that before they die they would be Muslim and that the UK would be an Islamic state.
I went away and complained to police, who took statements from me. The result? The Muslims complained about me, and that evening I received a visit from the police who issued me an official warning for being a “racist.” In fact, all I said was that Islam is dangerous cult, and did not mention any races at all.
I refused to accept the police’s warning, but the real issue is this: the police dropped my complaint against the Islamic group - and I have found out that one of the Islamic group was an off-duty police officer! The police have obviously taken their word over mine, without trying to investigate it in anyway.
Where has this country’s common sense gone? In Birmingham, a few months ago, a Christian was detained for distributing free Bibles in the city centre . . . so where is the consistency in police enforcement? I am shocked and stunned.”
NOTE
"I have found out that one of the Islamic group was an off-duty police officer!"
As you know members of the BNP cannot join the police and any police officer or government employee discovered to be a member is required to resign.
Genemachine,
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Really? I think you are missing the point. Is the imperative upon someone to dissuade a believer? By definition isn't that sort of stupid? You must understand we are talking with people whose background isn't like Christians --- their mainline teachings are that the literally truth is in the Quran and it is good for all people, for all time. I have no problem with evolution in general, but it has problems with it (it doesn't explain creation, for example, any better than Islam does).
You are giving secular ideas too much credit and the power of cult-ish islam too little.
What % of people have discipline of mind? Not many. Remember, group-like instincts trump way more than you realize.
Hugh sez:
"And that's just counting the ones who told the truth. "
And don't forget the 20% who refused to answer. I think we can safely add them to the same category...
Most likely none answered entirely truthful.
To become a muslims, you have to give up your individualism.
More than any other religion, Islam destroys your soul, and prevents your from developing your own individual sense of self.
Let's compare *this*, from the above:
"A third of Muslim students in Britain believe killing someone in the name of religion is justified"
with *this*, from jihadwatch:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021955.php#comments
"India's home ministry said on Friday it suspected "a small militant group" was behind the Bangalore attacks, while some police officials said they suspected the blasts could be the work of the banned Students Islamic Movement of India....".
And let us remember that Tawfik Hamid was recruited by the jihadists while he was at university in Egypt, studying...not Islamic Studies, but medicine.
Christians, Jews, Buddhists, cults of every kind, political parties of every kind, hey, even the Chocolate Appreciation Society...everyone recruits, or tries to, on campus. But Muslim recruitment - aimed, as it is, at getting recruits to conduct jihad and force sharia upon EVERYBODY - is peculiarly dangerous.
Regarding Taqiyya, I tend to consider it exaggerated. My personal belief is that telling the truth is the natural thing to do for humans, except of course when they percieve pressure to do otherwise - such as Islam, which more than anything else constitutes pressure on humans to behave badly.
Taqiyya originally stems from the Shia need to conceal their true beliefs, but in 1979 Khomeini declared the time for Taqiyya to be over. I tend to believe him, a bit at least.
Using Taqiyya indiscriminately can easily become mud-slinging, for it is a difficult charge for honest Muslims (mainly Muslims in name only - 'MINO') to defend themselves from.
Further, it distracts our attention from the less-known but more widely used tactic of Kitman, where relevant information is withheld for the sake of Islam. It's not 'lying' per se, as nothing untrue is being said, but it *is* deception, as information that any decent human would include in the context is withheld, usually to paint a rosier picture of Islam and Islamic activist and make their opponents seem unduely brutal.
For examples, just look at the whole situation around Israel, and the way it's presented by Islamic rulers and organisations. Kitman pervades this. Or look at the defensive reactions from CAIR and others who try to tuck away their links to and support of terrorists. Or what transpired (and still does) in the Balkans.
That tactic has a name, and the name is 'Kitman'.
I hope we can use it more and nail them on it.
Henrik,
Very nice post! And thanks for the link, re, Kitman.
Let us all be trained to see and recognize these deceptions wherever they rear their ugly heads.
And FIGHT them!
To all UK JihadWatchers
see this link, spread it, print it out so you have a hard copy record.
These are some of the UK pak moslems that finance treason.
The UK govt will do nothing (there are votes at stake) maybe others can !!
http://www.7cgen.com/index.php?showtopic=15793
Palamas wrote:
"I have no problem with evolution in general, but it has problems with it (it doesn't explain creation, for example, any better than Islam does."
Without wanting to be a pedant here you are not correct in a basic assumption; that is evolutionary theory in any way or form attempts to answer how life arose from non life. The discipline that looks at that is referred to as abiogenesis and is distinct from the Modern Evolutionary Theory (MET). That evolution happened is a fact, it is the mechanisms of evolution that we are still uncertain about with various theories regarding the mechanisms being researched.
Regards
apostate_islam,
Thanks for the link to that very scary site.
OT but relevant to the idea that infidel women are fair game according to Islam. Here is another rape of infidel women, this has occurred in the UK and will continue to increase. These are incidences worldwide where young teenage women are abducted and forced into Islam.
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/07/the-muslim-rape.html
I hope you all wouldn't consider it too nabific or anything if I, nabi ZK, was to point out that this article PROVES that a majority of mohametans are peaceful. The nabi feels SOOO much safer knowing that these 53% will not want to kill us all.
nabi ZK
There you go guys. Religion of Peace...QED
nabi ZK
I feel the love.
The Age of Shari'Aquarius.
When the moon god is in the Seventh House and Mo aligns with the Left, then TROP will guide the planet and we are all screwed.
And that's just counting the ones who told the truth.
Posted by: Hugh at July 26, 2008 7:09 PM
Indeed. Actually even self-professed moderates all believe "defensive" jihad is justified to protect their existence, although they tend to not use the word jihad specifically.
In reality, that number is much, much higher.
apostate_islam, that link refers to events being organised by Hizb ut-Tahrir. This is a group so extreme, that even some Labour politicians have expressed concern (admittidly, not those with a large muslim voter base)
Heck, even the Guardian fired one of its journalists when they found out he was a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
So surely, there are grounds for complaining to the councils in areas where these meetings are organised and asking why all these "community centres" are being used by people who preach hatred against assorted groups.
What consitutes an attack? In the eye of the offended Im sure.
Enormities disbelief and munkar
http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33606&st=0
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/34770
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=161&CATE=14
Celsius,
It is not just "Community centres"
There are a couple of businesses listed.
Who owns them ?, who do they fund ?, where do the owners live ? How often do they travel to muslim lands ? who do they recruit ?
The fact is that pak/muslim owned businesses in the UK fund jihad here and abroad.
This is treason.
Regards
AI
Does this mean that the other 2/3 rds of the muslims are liars?