Former CIA agent: "We do not face a global jihadist 'movement'"

We do not face a global jihadist "movement" but a series of disparate ethnic and religious conflicts involving Muslim populations, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature and almost all of which long predate the existence of al-Qaeda.

Absolutely correct! Look at the WTC it's still standing there! I know, I know, it's pretty hard to see but if you think real hard and channel lots of positive energy, it will appear before your very eyes!

We've always had nutcases, individual criminals, and that is all we're facing. There is no war on terror because there are no terrorists and nobody is "out to get us.

So WHY are we wasting billions of dollars in iraq? WHY are we turning our back on Constitutionally protected freedoms, when EVERYBODY AGREES that there IS NO GLOBAL JIHADIST MOVEMENTS!!!

IDIOT!

It seems that most anything can be concluded unless it be that Islam itself mandates jihad in its many forms against the infidel until all the world is one with the true faith. Oh yes, God forbid that a Western government come to the conclusion that Islam itself is the enemy of Western Civilization. Can't have that, now can we? The great pretend game thus continues.

It took the Europeans 100's of years and losing 2/3 of the continent to invading Muslim armies before they unified & began the Crusades. The world has gotten a whole lot smaller and we do not have the luxury of centuries before our hand is forced now. How many more Islamic nations will have nukes, especially the ones hell bent on lighting up Israel with one?

Reading the quotes of educated idiots like that are making me nervous. Time is too short to humor them and allow this denial to go on.

Glenn L. Carle believes exactly what Muslims want him to believe. Now why would that be? Did Hesham islam whisper in his ears?

But apart from that, one gets the impression that the CIA with a long history of absurd blunders is not only infiltrated by the Muhammedan mob, but also attracts the most clueless pop-tarts in the country.

Michael Scheuer comes to mind, he probably sees the global jihad also as a bunch of "regional conflicts that involve Muslim people" and how many more are there like that?

It might be a good start to sort out the Muhammedans and do away with the prayer rooms in the Pentagon.

He's right.

They are not facing a global jihadist movement.

They are running away from it.

It's the Jihad, stupid.

It appears as it Glenn Carle may have attended his 'CAIR sensitivity training sessions and passed with honors'.

I will also assume that 'former CIA employee Glenn Carle' is preparing for a new book release or public speaking circut and building some hype and PR for the release.

There was a time when the statement:

Glenn L. Carle "was a member of the CIA's Clandestine Service for 23 years and retired in March 2007

would provide some relief thinking Carle's influence (such as it was) would also be retired from intelligence circles. However, noting LTC Joseph Myers response, I'm not certain retirement limits influence at all. That in itself is unsettling.

Not a single mention of Iran, which has a department or ministry of -- guess -- "global jihad". I wish I could find that article again.

More dangerous stupidity, here:

No other Islamic-based terrorist organization, from Mindanao to the Bekaa Valley to the Sahel, targets the U.S. homeland

Just from my favorites menu, without even a cursory search:
Hamas military wing calls for attack on U.S. targets

Four Palestinian Groups Declare War on America

In addition to the Fatah's Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades, the call to attack the U.S. was issued by the Popular Resistance Committee's Salah A-Din (Saladin) Brigades, the ad-hoc Abu Rish Brigades and the Tawheed Brigades. The last-mentioned group may be affiliated with the international terrorist organization Al-Qaeda.

--both in November of 2006

I'm not bothering with the dozens of fatwas directed at killing Americans.

I'm sure Mr. Carle has a nice fat golden parachute coming from the Saudis or other source.

Okay, call it a global sharia movement.

We face "a series of disparate ethnic and religious conflicts involving Muslim populations, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature and almost all of which long predate the existence of al-Qaeda."

Way to go! They predate al-Qaeda by up to 1400 years! Give the man a gold star!

So how does each country face its own "disparate ethnic and religious conflicts involving Muslim populations"? What does it do about Muslims that come in from other countries to cause trouble? Should we revert to a pre-globalization mindset? Close all borders?

If this man is typical of the CIA it puts a few things in focus:

- how lucky we were to win the Cold War
- how we got things wrong with Iraq's WMD

Disband the CIA.

Imagine if that CIA agent had told his superiors:

We do not face a global Communist "movement" but a series of disparate conflicts involving Communists, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature.

Were we ever lucky to come out of the Cold War alive!

Well the prevalence and prominence of jokers like this in our "intelligence" services goes a long way toward explaining how we got into this mess to begin with.

I mean sure, they're all regional ethnic conflicts -- as long as you ignore the fact that at least one side is almost always mohammedans, and the facts that the mohammedan side is always saying and doing pretty much the same things, referring to the same basic ideas and getting help and money from other mohammedans in other places -- oh, and the fact that jihad has been cropping up continually for about 1300 years.

Other than that, it's all just regional ethnic stuff.

This is a truly deep, deep form of stupidity.

so is he retiring to the gulf?

disband the CIA.

It is very scary to realize sometimes that those who are in place to ensure our security are bumbling dolts. As Joseph Myers states, “For me, I am glad Mr. Carle is retired”. The article does not state in what capacity Joseph Myers currently serves but he is a man with a clear vision of the circumstances. Since he is not noted as retired, I hope he is now applying his insight into jihad toward reshaping our misguided policies and actions. The phrase, “In a circulating e-mail,” is pretty open-ended. Our military may not appreciate this man, LTC Myers, speaking his mind when he is critical of our approach. He is absolutely correct, yet I fear he may have hampered his military career simply by stating his very correct opinion.

He is correct on technical grounds. There is no mass organized jihad movement on a global scale comparable to the Communist International. Come on, there are a bunch of islamic cretins but they are are not part of some rigid movement. The biggest in the Muslim Brotherhood but they are peanuts compared to mass movements of the past. But the jihad mentality permeates a bunch of smaller groups which is endemic to Islam.

PMK wrote:

Imagine if that CIA agent had told his superiors:

We do not face a global Communist "movement" but a series of disparate conflicts involving Communists, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature.

Were we ever lucky to come out of the Cold War alive!
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PMK, you beat me to it. I was going to say exactly the same thing, only in a more long-winded fashion, and with more references to the Khmer Rouge, and FARC, and the Kham Magar, and the Shining Path, and Cuba, and Che, and the Sybionese Liberation Army, and a few quotes like "Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people".

What if these were all just seen as discreet local tiffs, rather than the many aspects of Communism, yet another ideology (like Islam) with global asperations?

Trying to use Al-Qaeda as the universal touchpoint for radical Islam makes as much sense as trying to use Stalinism as the universal touchpoint for Communism.

Both are particularly ugly examples of their respective ideologies, but are hardly the main inspiration or only manifestation of either.

Once again people in high places failing to take the enemy at their word. The idea of the whole world being under the thumb (more like jackboot) of Islam is clearly stated as an aspiration in the the Islamic traditional sources, as well as in modern interpretations of Islamic statecraft, which have been quoted on this site many times, especially Maudidi.

People like this retired gentleman are like people who continue to claim flu is caused by something other than viruses or subscribe to the theory of spontaneous generation. Update your information set, man!

PMK: "Imagine if that CIA agent had told his superiors: We do not face a global Communist "movement" but a series of disparate conflicts involving Communists, each of which remains fundamentally regional in nature."

Actually, there was a strong current in the Western intelligentsia - one that I'm sure had advocates inside the Agency - that the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, the Farabundo Marti in Salvador, Colombia's 'FARC' and other Latin American "national liberation movements" were in essence indigenous phenomenon and should not have been perceived through the prism of the international (Soviet) communist movement.

These movements were all inspired by Marxist ideology, all adhered to the letter of Marxist dogma in areas under their control, and all were bank-rolled and supported by the Soviet bloc.

Thank God Reagan was President in the 80s. Contrary to the musings of many on the Left, the collapse of the Soviet Union was NOT a forgone conclusion.

This is why I no longer believe we have an effective spy agency anymore. Not since the 1970's. The CIA is effectively finished as a professional organization, since it is now run by political, policy wonk types. And I fear for my country as a result of this.

We should all be very alarmed upon reading Mr. Carle's views.

Doesnt matter if we are or are not it doesnt changge Islamic scripture.

There are all kinds of left-wing people who construct conspiracy theories based on their belief in, and fear of, an all-powerful, all-knowing C.I.A. My fear is the opposite: that there are too many dopes, and lazy dopes who cannot or will not study Islam -- it's just beyond them, all that book-learning, all that trying to take seriously what Muslims are inculcated with, trying to figure out what the Sunnah is, and what the Hadith are, and whether it really matters whether or not Muhammad had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was nine, because that was so long ago (well, it mattered so much to the Ayatollah Khomeini, that learned theologian, that virtually his first act was to reduce the marriageable age of girls in Iran to nine years), and how much more fun just to sneak into cities and meet with clandestine agents, and think that "war" means war in the combat or qitaal sense, and there are no other ways to conduct the "war" on the Infidels, a war or "struggle" that has as its goal breaking down all obstacles to the spread, and then to the certain dominance, of Islam.

We all got a good look at Michael Scheuer, who was -- or at least he and his agent and his bookers claim he was - for several years "in charge" of what was naively called "the Bin Laden desk." He turns out to be terrifyingly missing-the-point dumb (google his name, and "Posted by Hugh" and see what you come up with at this website.

Now comes yet another example. Someone who, I suspect, though he was in the C.I.A. for the fatidic 23 years -- 23 years! -- as some kind of "expert" on "transnational threats" and the biggest transnational threat of them all, the one that has for 1350 years been transnational, for the Umma knows no bounds, and Believers hardly stop to pay attention to the modern nation-state; for them there are the lands ruled by Muslims, and the lands not yet ruled by Muslims. In the former, remaining non-Muslims must still need lessons, still may need to be put or kept in their place; see how, over the short history of modern Malaysia, the Muslims have step by step increased their numbers, their power, and their ability to reinstute some of the disabilities -- disguised of course -- that were formerly imposed on non-Muslims, such as the Jizyah (its current form can be found in the Bumiputra system that favors Malaysian Muslims and makes non-Muslims essentially share their own revenues with their Muslim masters).

One wonders what Mr. Carle makes, for example, of the attacks on Buddhists in southern Thailand? Is it one more "discrete" problem, a "national" movement, unconnected to any larger question having to do with Muslims? When Buddhists have their throats slit in southern Thailannd, is this related in any way, or is it unrelated, to the Christian schoolgirls who are decapitated in Indonesia, or the Christians killed, and the churches, burned, in the Moluccas?

When there are Arabs in Afghanistan, are they there because of a "nationalist" impulse? When Pakistanis attack Jews in England, ranting about Zionists, is that because they are responding to a "nationalist impulse? When Arabs and Afghans move into Bosnia to fight Serbs and to make sure that the local Muslims are sufficiently Muslim, is that prompted by "nationalism"? When, Uighurs are found in Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, or when Iranians bomb a Jewish center in Buenos Aires, is that because the Uighurs are impelled by "nationalist" motives, and so too are the Iranians?

It is comforting for the carles of this world not to have to bother studying Islam. After all, life is short, and one does not want, after college and graduate school, to go back to school. And we see the same thing with Congressmen, and their staffs, and high-ranking officers, and their staffs, and political figures of every stripe - no one wants, once they have attained power, and lead the lives of hectic vacancy -- those endless committee meetings, those photo ops, those conferences, those everything -- to sit quietly and try to make sense of something that requires concentration, that cannot be learned from a three-page executive summary -- no, nor even a ten-page one -- with bullets for easy comprehension.

And it is further comforting to believe that Jihad is merely a matter of "terrorism" which is so much easier to grasp, and to deal with, in the end, than the Money Weapo. TRhat Money Weapon is not a fantasy; Saudi Arabia alone has spent, over the past few decades, close to one hundred billion dollars on mosques, madrasas, tame academics who will toe the Saudi or Muslim party line, and the buying up of an army of Western hirelings, that includes --see Raymond Close -- former Western intelligence agents (perhaps Mr. Carle has his own eye on a well-cushioned retirement). If one recognizes the Money Weapon, which is discussed by Muslims as the "wealth weapon" when they list all the instruments of Jihad, such as "pen, speech" (i.e., propaganda on behalf of Islam, campaigns of Da'wa), then one must go further, and offer ways to deal with that Money Weapon. And this, in turn, demands thought, as to how to diminish oil (and gas) revenues of the Muslim members of OPEC, and how to increase the cost to them of Infidel goods and services, and how to encourage the poorer Arabs and Muslims to no longer count on Jizyah (foreign aid) from the West, but rather to go to demand of the Saudis and others a greater share of the oil wealth for fellow Muslims, fellow members of the Umma - a demand that can only increase resentments, all way round, within the Camp of Islam.

Nor has Mr. Carle apparently given much, if any thought, to the situation in the historic center of the West, the countries of Western Europe. He appears not to worry, for in his understanding of the world and of Islam there is little to reason to worry, about campaigns of Da'wa and demograhpic conquest in Great Britain, France, the Netherlands, Germany and the rest of Western Europe. Perhaps he has failed to notice the fear of Western European governments in dealing with their Musilms -- a fear that already translates into an inhibited foreign policy, and one that may lead not only to the abandonment of Israel, but to the abandonment of the NATO alliance, if that alliance is turned to anti-Jihad purposes. He may not have noticed all the demands made by Muslims for changes to the legal and political structures and social arrangements of their host countries, where they impose a burden unlike any imposed by any other immigrant group, and do so not in one, or two countries, but in all the countries of Western Europe where they have attained sufficient numbers.

Mr. Carle cannot connect those dots from southern Thailand to southern Sudan to southern Nigeria to London, Amsterdam, Madrid.

Since he cannot, and given that you can't teach an old dog new etc., it is a good thing for the country that he is retiring. Let's see if he follows the well-heeled path of Raymond Close, or such former diplomats as James Akins. Watch closely.

Meanwhile, in the real world, more and more people are, despite the idiocy of their political and media elites, studying the texts of Islam on their own, going to Muslim websites, going to MEMRI to see Muslim journalists and clerics, dong their homework.

Doing more homework, I suspect, than is being done by many of those who should be burning the midnight oil in Langley, Virginia.

I miss the days when the CIA was accused of being behind every other crime against humanity

MorrisMinor: The Comintern (3rd International) was never all that organized to begin with and was abolished by Stalin in 1943 out of formal deference to his allies, Britain and America. So, I wouldn't attribute much effective work to the Comintern. Sure, the Soviet Union did bankroll and supply Marxist believers worldwide but Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria and individual Muslim fat cats are now doing precisely this by financing sundry radical Islamic groups around the globe. Also, we live in an information age that the USSR didn't exist in but jihadists now do----and this is a tremendous additional advantage to Muslim nutjobs.

Something else and that is that the true believers in Islam significantly outnumber the zealots that propagated Marxist nonsense. And they're backed up by other believers in numbers that international Communism could only dream of. In fact, I would argue that the world is now faced with the greatest malevolent mass movement in all of mankind's history-------well over a billion people whose creed demands the takeover of the world. By contrast, Communism was strictly junior varsity material. In short, you have it exactly backwards.

And the Soviet Union never had the kind of money that the Arabs have to use to promote their cause. Saudi Arabia alone has spent close to 100 billion dollars on mosques, madrasas, Western hirelings, propaganda of every sort. The Soviet Union, impoverished as it was (it existed before the real oil bonanza, and it never had much of an economy), managed to spend in the West, on subventions to Western Communist parties, and on Willi Munzenberg and Richard Sorge and every other sort of Soviet agent or spy, a grand total of about 7-8 billion dollars, or less than 1/12th what Saudi Arabia alone has already spent. Add in the U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Libya, Iran, and so on,and keep in mind that by 2015 the Arabs will have many trillions in their budgetary surpluses if the current price of oil is maintained, and look where some of that money goes. Besides, every Arab deal, with every Westerm bank or investment banking firm or law firm, buys a few more powerful Westerners inclined to look the other way, inclined to pooh-pooh the Muslim threat. After all, they're making out like gangbusters. Oh, and just look at this Rolex watch my Abu Dhabi client handed me as a token of his affection -- for god's sake, these guys are great, there's nothing to worry about. Look at this baby. Must have cost him ten, twenty thousand easy. Just handed it to me, just like that. C'mon, these guys are fine. Besides, the more stuff they buy here, the more committed they are to us, the more they don't want to see us fail. They'd only lose money themselves. So let them buy up whatever they want. Hey, it's win-win.

This is an example of letting policy drive your analysis. Since our policy is attack-focused and oriented on preventing attack threats, we circumvent the analysis of everything leading up to the attack event and do not trace it to its roots.
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One thing for sure is in national security, if your theory of reality is wrong, then your courses of action to that point are going to be wrong too -- or at least imprecise and incomplete.

This is more dis hearting than anything the enemy can do including the WTC IMO. As others have stated they are IDIOTS all. I am so discussed and mad like my name sake.

WE ARE LOST!!

If I were given the power to be king for a day I would dismantle the CIA completely. These types of organization should only be started when the threat is first identified. Once the problem is corrected weather it is war or just a covert operation they should be put out of business. It is the nature of the beast that if allowed to continue they will insulate and protect there existence. They will cause more trouble and mislead through stupidity or design to justify there existence over their reason to functions. Also because of the structure of government and the will of corrupt men vieing for power they will be misused. And will be corrupted from within and without.

This man's statements are just the tip of the iceberg. I recall a year ago I happened to call my local FBI office. During the course of the conversation I happen to mention or ask something about who the enemy was. A long silence followed. I then ask if he understood what I just said about Islam being the enemy. He response was telling. I can't remember exactly what his reply was but I got the distinct impression the my opinion was the most foreign thing he had ever heard. SAD

Stephen Coughlin's thesis is still a must-read, and may still be accessed at

www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080107_Coughlin_ExtremistJihad.pdf.

"After all, life is short, and one does not want, after college and graduate school, to go back to school."

Not all of us find that objectionable, Hugh -- especially when the course work includes the likes of Coughlin, Ye'or, Spencer, Bostom, Ibrahim, Dadrian, et al., as well as your consistently informative posts.

Back to school...yes. We're all attending Mr Spencer's, Mr Fitzgerald's, Mr Ibrahim's Virtual Hedge School of the Counter-Jihad, trying hard to assist in the Defence of the West ...and of the East and the North and the South... against the world-destroying life-denying furor Islamicus.

This post reminds me all to well of the Warren Christophers, Madelaine Albrights, Congressman Charlie Wilson, former CIA Chief William Casey, and the rest who had and still have stars in their eyes for the muslim "freedom fighters" of the Soviet-Afghan war.

Not only should this man have been fired immediately following 9/11 (with zero severance package), his ass should be at an Alaskan prison/work camp as a harsh example to those in our government who accept paychecks for a job not well done. These calcified brains are the reason for over 3,000 American deaths and probably many more in the future.

The only questions I have for anyone running for ANY kind of public office is:

To what degree have you investigated Islams three texts following 9/11? Got no answer?

You're f*cking fired. Pack your sh*t immediately or face long winters continuously repairing the northern highway to ANWR in Alaska.

l hope more follow this man to retirement, and the younger generation who can turn on a computer and read information will be able to connect the dots and see the Islamic elephant in the room.

Zena,
You might be in for a long wait. The younger generation who can turn on a computer have already connected the dots and reached their own conclusions, none of which benefit the US.

-Bush planned 9/11
-Iraq is a war for oil
-Bush should be indicted for the murder of 4,000 American soldiers upon leaving office.
-The WTC was brought down by controlled demolition
-Tower 7 was deliberately destroyed to protect the CIA's secrets
-A missile, not a plane, hit the Pentagon on 9/11

Loose Change was a big hit among those who thought they could connect the dots.

"l hope more follow this man to retirement, and the younger generation who can turn on a computer and read information will be able to connect the dots and see the Islamic elephant in the room."

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

I'm not so sure the salvation of America lies within wisdom of the younger generation. They've been fully steeped in moral equivalency and multi-culti BS. The generation to follow will be even worse. They're being taught to "understand" Islam by playing at being Muslims, in grade school.

No one who hasn't been ruined by indoctrination will ever be accepted into the CIA and like organizations. I think we're screwed.

Our only prophylaxis is in discovering the realities of jihad, its many forms, and passing the information on to others. That, and to pray that homeschooling becomes a very popular trend, with enough parents who have the time to do it.

Wellington,
Just because we won the Cold War doesn't mean that Communism was doomed to fail. To minimize the threat it posed only plays into the hands of those who think we're going overboard about Islam.

The USSR had a huge industrial base at its command. They made it into orbit before we did. It also had a huge standing army and navy and it had the apparatus of the state at its command. It had certifiable weapons of mass destruction and the ability to destroy this country, if it so chose. Fortunately for us, the leaders of the Soviet Union were no more suicidal than we were but that didn't obviate the threat. The USSR had veto power in the UN.
When the dominoes started falling in Asia - from China to Korea to Vietnam - no one knew when or if they would stop or if we could stop them all.
Africa and South America had their own Marxist flirtations. Allende, of Chile, was a KGB operative. Imagine Venezuela, one of America's prime energy suppliers, as a Soviet ally today.
The Cold War's end was not preordained. Tyranny is always better organized than freedom.

Islam and Soviet Communism are two very different things but both were and are existential threats to free people everywhere.

You see Bush lied about Iraq. After all, look at this fabulously intelligent professional CIA agent. He did mounds of research and came up with the conclusion that there is no global Jihad.

Now when someone brings up that the CIA said there were no WMD's and Bush didn't read all of our intelligence reports, you can understand what a mistake Bush made. After all, this frickin genius is representative of the vast brain trust the CIA currently has.

Kind of like the Niger yellow cake with Joe Wilson. The CIA whose is just so darned on top of things, didn't have a field office or agent in Niger whose number one export is Uranium. After all, if you had a division working on non-poliferation, why would it watch the nuclear material? So it sent Joe. He didn't find any paper work though. I guess we could review the FARC's paper work and see who they sold Cocaine too.

One more little comment, maybe an inconvienent little tid bit for those of you who can't figure out that these are "just little regional conflicts", a point a can't seem to reconcile: Where are these "little regional conflicts" getting their money and weapons from if its not global? Oh well, not important. Just a regional issue I'm sure.

Dollars to Donuts this ass-clown is best friends to Larry C. Johnson, the same ass-clown who wrote this, ONE MONTH before 9/11:

In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:

Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.

ass-clowns of a feather, flock together.

No wonder the CIA is screwed!

Dale in Atlanta,

My jaw dropped as I read that. How ever did you find it?

It's just more proof that the American people are light years ahead of our leaders and self-proclaimed intelligentsia in just about everything!

Common sense trumps all. Our eyes don't betray us.

The CIA isn't screwed. We are.

If that represents the level of intelligence of CIA professionals, then we are doomed. Our enemies are smart and you can't fix stupid.

Quek,
You still mumbling that talk show trash about yellow cakem WHICH SADDAM was NOT buying from Niger? He still had all that yello cake from the 80's sitting in storage. Do you understand how hard it is to make yellocake into weapons grade Uranium? Yet so many of your ilk still lie and call yellocake a WMD.

Wellington,
THe communists had millions of men under arms, and huge stockpile of nuclear weapons. Obbviously like so many on the rabid paranoid fringe you consistently over estimate the opposition. I never denied the jihad spirit is there, but it is not organized or well directed, thank God. If you want to fret all day about it, go ahead. Footbaths might be a waste but it is hardly a harbinger of doom.

That's open news about Larry C. Johnson, liar, fraud, apologist for everything Anti-Bush; a Pro-Jihadi nutbag who is a legend in his own mind.

Larry Johnson, George Tenet, Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, Glen Carle, Paul Pillar, Michael Scheuer...do you see a pattern here?

Ever wonder, listening to that crowd of Keystone Kops, all of whom say theye're experts, and yet the CIA has been WRONG, on every single MAJOR event in American History, since and including the Bay of Pigs?

I was in the "IC" for years (NOT the CIA); our rule of thumb was this: take whatever the CIA says, and go with the exact OPPOSITE; you'll stand a better than average chance of being correct if you do that..

Know what, it worked! We laughed at them, and we continually disproved their reports to our senior Military Commanders, and I do mean Continually!

In one of the greatest cover-ups, tales of incompetence and maybe the Greatest whitewash in Hitory, the CIA for over 20 years, released thousands of messages to the IC, building up the WMD threat from the following: Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, etc.

I know, I read most of them!

Its funny, you know when was the first time they decided Iraq didn't have WMD's??

When they decided to cover their worthless lying asses by leaking stuff to the press to undermine President Bush, after the WMD's they had spent 20 years telling the Military, DOD and the rest of the of the DC crowd, did exist; couldn't be found and suddenly they now "didn't exist"!

After the US State Department, the CIA is the Anti-American, incompetent Institution in the entire US Government.

If we had a President who really cared, they'd completely and thoroughly disband the entire thing, and start again.

Want to know why SecDef Rumsfield set up his own "Intel Agency" in the Pentagon, prior to the Invasion of Iraq?

Because he KNEW how scewed up the CIA was, and how incompetent they were!

Yes, you are right, "we are screwed"

Any decision is prone to error. It is the job of security professionals to make safe decisions that allow for error. Even worst case error in matters of life and death.

What I see here is a decision that is very cavalier and shooting from the hip on matters of life and death.

One needs only to take a hard look at England or several other European countries. Their security is now seriously impaired due to their past shoot from the hip immigration policies.

They allowed a foreign idealogy to immigrate in numbers and now due to this idealogy, they have Jihad in their midst.

PMK: Far be it from me to be in anyway "soft" on Communism, though I can see how you might construe this from my post above. I despise all totalitarian ideologies, be they left-wing, right-wing, secular or spiritual. And what you wrote about the formidable strength of Communist nations, particularly the USSR, during the Cold War is eminently correct. Neither was the fall of Communism pre-ordained as to when it might occur, though I believe it was inevitable that it would collapse eventually, but I give Pope John Paul II, Margaret Thatcher and most especially Ronald Reagan enormous credit for hastening the demise of an ideology created by the single most overrated intellectual of all time, Karl Marx.

But (you knew there was a "but" coming) I look upon Islam as the most menacing totalitarian ideology in man's history, in part because it hides behind its religious veil and in part precisely because it has more good features in it up front borrowed from other religions (charitable giving, belief in a supposedly merciful deity, etc.). As I've written before here at JW, something which is 60% rotten is actually stronger for that very reason than something that is 95% putrid. And the combination of being a religion and being less easily seen as evil makes Islam, for me, the most formidable nefarious system of thought ever devised. That's why I described Communism as belonging to the junior varsity of totalitarianism, although in retrospect it was not the best phrasing I could have employed.

Hopefully this will clear up any misgivings you understandably had about my previous post. Thanks for writing. Take care.

MorrisMinor: See my statement to PMK above. I would only add that the very fact that international Communism had less than a century of real life and Islam has had staying power for going on a millennium and a half just helps further strengthen my contention that the Islamic faith, all of it and led by its most zealous believers, is the greatest threat to mankind in all of history.

Dale from Atlanta

Thanks for your view from some one who has seen the CIA up close and ugly. This confirms my suspicions.

So there's no such thing as a global jihad? It's probably news to all the Islamic Terrorists around the world, from Iraq to Thailand to The Phillipines to the UK who continue to use The Koran and other Muslim holy scriptures to justify their actions. And it explains how the "stealth Jihad" has continued with little hinderance. When you don't name your enemy and continue to deflect attention away from Islam's fundamental core of hatred, it's easy understand how, in spite of 9/11, The London and Madrid bombings, the general public in the West remains in a fog over what's really going on.

And it shows it's up to those of us who are Jihad aware to continue to raise the subject with our friends, neighbors and co-workers, no matter how daft they think we are. I won't be holding my breath for the MSM to do it's job.

Morris Minor;
Dude, recognize sarcassam. Note the real point of what I said, the CIA was so incompetent we did not have agents in a country that had as its number one export Uranium. Followed up by the idiot Joe Wilson saying he didn't see any sales reciepts or papers concerning the illegal sale of Uranium. Really, they didn't write down an illegal transaction. Who would guess.

Also, it is not that hard to turn yellow cake to weapons grade Uranium. You disolve it in Hyrdrogen Floride to make Uranium HexaFloride. Use a mass spec and seperate. Granted since U-235 is only .2% you have a long process but really, it ain't that complicated. We did it in 1942 in 3 years. This is why the aquisition of yellow cake is an issue. The press and the uneducated would have you believe this process is beyond the technology of most countries, that is a lie. It is 1942 technology. Unless you beleive these people are just one car key from cavemen and just to dimwitted after attending most of our Universities in the United States to figure out how to do it.

And it shows it's up to those of us who are Jihad aware to continue to raise the subject with our friends, neighbors and co-workers, no matter how daft they think we are. I won't be holding my breath for the MSM to do it's job.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at July 15, 2008 1:33 PM

PI, you have to understand what is going on here with these Seditionists, and that's what I call them, and they deserve that and worse.

Take Michael Scheuer for example, he was in charge of the Bin Laden team under Clinton; that worked out well, didn't it?

Now, just like Richard Clarke, and George Tennet, and Paul Pillar, and Valerie Plame, and Joe Wilson, and Larry Johnson, and this latest clown, Glenn Carle, they cannot admit that THEY were wrong, and that THEY screwed up; which they all were and did, obviously, because 9/11 HAPPENED, didn't it?

So, to cover up their own stupidity and incompetence, they pull the old Larry C. Johnson trick; they Deny the Threat, downplay it, leak stuff to the press, attack President Bush, claim there is no "worldwide jihad", etc.!

That way, they shift the attention and blame away from themselves, they get embraced and love from the Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Democratic Traitor Leftist Nutbags (TM), and they never have to take responsibility for anything they did or screwed up!

See how it works?

Seeing that our government agencies now have an "Official Diversity Month", we're screwed. Political correctness means nothing without a head to think with.

I believe that the way the Taliban ruled Afghanistan was in total accord with the Sharia law as prescribed in the Qur'an. That rule seemed like it was totally unbearable & yet we have people like Mr. Glenn L. Carle wanting to over look one of the best, recent examples of what Islam is all about. How could he have functioned in any position in the CIA other than being a janitor is beyond me.