Hirsi Ali seeks police protection in US

Knowing Hirsi Ali's integrity, it's hard to imagine the book being a white-wash. My guess is that the Muslim character courageously bucks the pressures of his elders (and his faith) in the pursuit of this friendship.

10 to 1 the book ends up banned in public school libraries.

"But if the American government had any sense of what it is really up against in this conflict against jihadists worldwide, and who the real warriors are against those jihadists, Hirsi Ali would get protection from the U.S."

Yes,yes, agreed. But why place dependence on the government?

There must be plenty of anti-jihad inclined nonprofit organizations around the country--and for that matter, around the world--funded by grants and contributions that could step up and fund her protection. It would be to everyone's benefit and would surely send just as strong a message as using the money to fund publications and websites and conferences.

OT,
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I am disappointed by one thing only, as regards the plot of her new book - that the boy is Muslim and the girl Jewish. *That* simply reproduces the Muslim pattern whereby Muslim males can have non-Muslim girls.

I'm surprised she didn't reverse the sharia paradigm, and have a Jewish boy making friends with a Muslim girl.

Of course, it's a children's book (I'm not surprised by that - Ayaan Hirsi Ali's introduction to The Way the West Thinks was originally through reading children's books in English in the school library in Kenya: Hans Christian Anderson, Grimm's Fairy Tales, Nancy Drew, Enid Blyton and the rest).

But I think for her next book she should aim for an adult market and remember the *other* western books that also helped to liberate her soul...the Harlequin romances, the ones with the sizzling bedroom scenes, and write a story about a rebellious free-spirited Muslim girl who falls head over heels in love with a handsome, gentle Jewish boy, and ends up apostasising, converting to Judaism and fleeing to Israel with her lover, with lots of terrifying adventures en route as they elude Muslim assassins...

"Come with me from Lebanon, my love...from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards..." (Song of Songs chapter 4, verse 8).

Somebody encourage Ms Ali to read the Song of Songs.

I'm sorry, but why must American taxpayers foot the bill for Hirsi Ali?

Hirsi Ali has also set up a fund to finance her security in the US. "She has raised a considerable sum but it is not enough to pay for everything," Van Ginkel said.

Where is that "conservative US think-tank"?
Isn't Ms. Ali at AEI? Both she and her employer knew ahead of time the threats she faced. She came to the US anyway. Why wasn't security a part of her employment agreement?
This isn't Europe. The federal government doesn't generally provide personal protection for private citizens as they go about their business.
Will each city that she travels to on her book tour or for speaking engagements be required to lay out exorbitant sums for her protection? What about the airports? Or are we supposed to pay for Secret Service agents?
If the considerable sum she has raised isn't enough, what level of protection does she expect?

Everything you need to know about this is in the picture. OF COURSE Hirsi Ali should be protected, but the reason the Dutch don't want to do it has a LOT to do with how profligate she is. She is endlessly dragging a $2 million a year security team to fancy restaurants and soirees, openly lives in a million-dollar house in Georgetown (her neighbors have no such security), and the gown she has on in this picture is a designer gown by Viktor and Rolf, her favorite haute couteur designers.

Now, it's fine with me if the US government uses some of my tax money on her defense. If they can spend $250,000 studying the mating habits of newts, they can buy her the toughest, meanest, most trigger-happy commando they can find.

But with the money should come some rules, like if she's going to brag so much about wanting to provide for her own defense, she STOPS SPENDING $20,000 ON A SILVER GOWN TO WEAR TO A COCKTAIL PARTY. Half her salary and royalties and appearance earnings should go to own protections, and she should stop playing this game with us.

AND, whoever security is should have a say in where she goes and what kinds of exposure she puts these men in.

She's a national treasure and an arrogant spoiled brat. I'd like us to take care of the first part, and not pay for the second.

Dumbledore's Army ...

I think you should write that book.

And P.S. That security money raised in the US came from donors, not her salary. She should not go hide away like a hermit. I want her to have a full life, and to be able to use her influence widely and solidly. But enough with the opulent profligacy.

I just hope she doesn't start criticising Buddhism or Christianity, her life might be in danger.
Sensible of her to choose the religion of peace.

PMK ...

AEI knew about the expenses, but the Dutch government paid all the security expenses until Hirsi got a residence visa from the State Department. Two weeks later, the Dutch government pulled the plug on her security. She went running back to Europe, appealed the Dutch who refused her, then appealed to the French, who took it to the EU, which signed a pledge in principle to fund it, but who didn't. Now the EU is hearing appeal from Hirsi Ali that legally the Dutch government is responsible.

But Hirsi Ali doesn't want to live in The Netherlands, nor in France, nor in Europe. In fact, she is safer here, and besides, it's hard to keep a star down on the farm once she's seen K Street. AEI is in the same building as some very important publications, and their staffs weren't happy to see her coming AT ALL.

But AEI never had responsibility for or an agreement to protect Hirsi Ali, and none of their staff have protection in the building.

Basically, Hirsi Ali laid her own trap. She spent so much money, she infuriated her security detail to the point of rage, and she had no thought for the impact of a detail that went up in cost from $1 to $2 million in one year.

The Dutch feel that if she's going to work in the United States they shouldn't foot the bill — that they should be responsible only for her security if she is a Dutch citizen still living in Holland.

The EU thinks Holland is responsible and is trying to prove it.

The United States has declined responsibility.

She's infuriating about this on many levels, but that's no reason to let the woman die. So we'll have to protect her, and should, but it's difficult not to feel insulted by the way she acts.

Designer gowns, jewelry, and accessories are frequently loaned or given outright to celebrities and other women of note, as they bring publicity to the designers they wear. And it's unfortunate that expensive locations and soirees seem to be the places that Washington political thinkers and decisionmakers are found.

I'd rather have Ms. Ali be effective than inexpensive, hunched in a cheap abaya eating ramen noodles in a suburban apartment.

The war with islam is more important then one person and that pweson is not our business she makes plenty of money so does the people she works for i would rather spend the money on our education sysytem to better compete in the world.

I am now kicking myself...

Someone else will have to defend the honor of Hirsi Ali tonight....I made a promise and I will keep it...(grinding my teeth)

With that said, I think Hirsi Ali is a GODDESS who should be protected, because she is one very important SALES GIRL for the ANTI-JIHAD movement.

I call it a perk…if true…

Do remember how Benjamin Franklin behaved in France during the American Revolution, the late nights at the salons talking to the French babes, getting his grove on 18th century style, getting his likeness engraved and immortalized in bronze, clay, and anything else that would take is image….and we accepted it, because he was useful to the cause.

The costs for policing in the U.S. are huge and the responsibilities for security are for everyone who is in this country..including illegal aliens. One cannot pick and choose who is to be secure and who is not, a threat to one is a threat to all. I don't know what Ms Ali's status will be but she deserves to be protected from the ASSHOLES that we allow into this country who would be a threat to this courageous person.

Well Comet, we're on the same side of this one.

I don't know where Morgan Sinclair is getting his info....I take it with more than a grain of salt.

Cornelius

Good luck and take care!

We both understand the importance of a great salesman for any cause.

I would be hard pressed to name someone on earth that Muslim apologist/jihadist hate more than Hirsi Ali. She is a symbol to them...thus she should be protected for that reason alone.

Cornelius ...

Refute it with facts (you can't), or apologize for casting an aspersion.

Can you manage JUST ONCE to just have ordinary honor and integrity?????

Yeah, we already know the answer: no.

l do agree with some that she should pay for some of her protection and cut out the jewels, as her life is more important, and on the other hand if they have extra money like puting up with terrorists on taxpayers money on Gitmo, they should have extra money on hand for her protection, but l believe that she should be getting money from her think tank work related employers.

If we can piss away hundreds of billions on F-22's and a non-functioning ABM system and bail out Wall Street after it wrecked the real-estate market we can afford to pay for Ali's security detail.

Its cheap at twice the price.

And AEI ought to be footing the bill, that outfit is swimming in dough since its funded by a lot of very wealthy firms who regularly buy access to various gov't factorums.

Ms. Hirsi Ali deserves all the perqs she can get. She has more courage than 99% of the posters on this site, who seem to resent her fame, her home, and her designer clothes. I'd rather contribute $1,000.00 to her cause than have one red cent of my tax dollars go to support islamic welfare cases.

"if they have extra money like puting up with terrorists on taxpayers money on Gitmo, they should have extra money on hand for her protection,"

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

Agreed. But just think how much we could save simply by abandoning the white-glove treatment of the Koran at Gitmo.
However, she should be paying for as much of her protection hrself as she can. There's no need for extravagant clothes or jewels. A "good Republican cloth coat", like candidate Nixon's wife, is fine.
Also, a MacArthur "genius" grant or a Nobel prize would be a nice start point for a protection fund. She's more deserving than Arafat or Jimmy Peanut.

One can be on the right side of history, replete with dangers, and still not be entitled to official protection by the United States government. Hirsi Ali's faults lie gently on her and her greatness is insured, but this should not necessarily lead to the conclusion that she is entitled to be protected by the Secret Service.

Again, Islamic supremacist and murderous intentions test the West in ways that can only elicit scorn, utter contempt, for the burden to the world which is Islam. Hey, all you courageous moderate Muslims out there, where are you now in the name of tolerance and peace-----and freedom of speech? Have you no comprehension how useless you have become? You're cowards. That's your legacy.

MORGAN: "Refute it with facts (you can't), or apologize for casting an aspersion."

RESPONSE: You are the one casting aspersions on Hirshi Ali. You've offered no proof of your accusations, excepting the clothes shes wearing in the photo. How do you know where they came from? Their cost? How do you know where she eats on a regular basis?

MORGAN: "Can you manage JUST ONCE to just have ordinary honor and integrity????? Yeah, we already know the answer: no."

RESPONSE: Wow! I express some healthy skepticism about accusations that as far as I'm concerned are unproven, and you have a conniption fit.

Calm down.

Take it easy.

Perhaps you could enlighten us with a few verifiable FACTS about Hirsi's lifestyle?

PS...

MORGAN: "She's...an arrogant spoiled brat"

RESPONSE: Pretty strong accusation! Do you know her personally to make such a judgment?

You come across to me as over-sensitive and a tad neurotic, but I freely admit I don't know you well enough to make such a judgment.

The question comes down to whether you believe Hirsi Ali deserves protection, regardless of her alleged transgressions and general disregard for other people's money.

I decided quite a bit ago, when I developed a clear and working understanding of the truth about Islam and all the uncomfortable details associated with it, with obvious thanks for that revelation to Robert and Co. at JW/DW, I acknowledge a simple reality.

I have been far more duped by my own government for far less prestigious ideals, and will continue to be exploited as such, to worryn about the preservation of Hirsi Ali and the vital message her continued life represents.

We waste billions each week in Iraq and Afghanistan. We waste billions each year in foreign aid to Egypt, Pakistan and the Palestinians. We waste hundreds of millions in "outreach" and broadcasts aimed at convincing Muslims that the US is not their enemy.

One or two million per year to keep the most high-profile Muslim apostate safe in the United States so she can continue to educate Infidels on the dangers posed by Islam, while challenging Muslims to embrace reason and freedom.

The money spent building schools and mosques in Afghanistan will serve to create better educated, organized and incited jihadists. The money spent trying to force the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds to work together will (in the unlikely event that its successful) result in a united enemy, not a "democratic ally" in the "war on terror." Out outreach and broadcast efforts don't work for many reasons, first and foremost because their are too many Muslims and Muslim apologists crafting the message.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a terrific writer and public speaker. "Infidel" is a must read. She has lived on both sides of the Islamic-Infidel divide and has had the authentic Islamic experience in Somalia and Saudi Arabia. She also has seen up-close the failure of multiculturalism and unlimited Muslim immigration in Europe. She is well-versed in the history of Western thought that has created a society that many in the West take for granted. And she is black, female and beautiful in an age when those qualities are more likely to get you on TV, and less likely to have your message dismissed as racist. That she has been labeled a women's' rights advocate or human rights advocate has also helped her work appear in places it might not otherwise. Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Noonie Darwish are brilliant and courageous. However, I don't any of them will ever be invited on the Bill Maher show, where Hirsi Ali in the space of a few minutes tore apart jiahd apologist Congressman Issa and some actor giving the "aren't all religious really the same" line.

Most great people, from Thomas Jefferson to Martin Luther King, have qualities that are less than admirable. I don't like what I've read about Hirsi Ali, but she is far more important to Infidels--and a far less corrupt, even on her worst day--than Mubarek, Abbas or Musharif. In the big picture, her security is a tiny price to pay and worth every dime.

What kind of religion do you have to be protected from?....oh yeah ...Islam..

If we can piss away hundreds of billions on F-22's and a non-functioning ABM system and bail out Wall Street after it wrecked the real-estate market we can afford to pay for Ali's security detail.

waltc,
Who do you mean by "we"? I can't afford to pay one single dime for this lady's protection and I resent the idea that my tax dollars will be frittered away on her travel promoting her book, herself and what have you.
That mindset is why we have the deficits we have and a $1 trillion dollar debt.

She hasn't given up Islam. The lady is still a Muslim. That means she still believes in the same things all other Muslims believe in, Islamic supremacy among them.

Morgaan,
Thanks for all the info. You pointed out that AEI is not responsible for this woman's security. That may be so, but we aren't either. People have different agreements with their employers. AEI is benefitting from her presence at their think tank. They'll get reams of publicity when she promotes her book(s). They're not a charity. They paid for her to come here. They can just as easily pay for her security. As others have pointed out, AEI has donors. Let them go to their billionaires for the few million or so that Hirsi Ali needs. Take it out of her advances.
Others don't have the same security needs she does. It doesn't mean we the people should shoulder the burden. She came HERE. We didn't drag her over here. She obviously doesn't understand that freedom doesn't necessarily mean security. This is a free country. If she needs security, there are plenty of places where she can get it. It's not necessary for government money to be spent in the effort. She's not a public official.

Hirsi Ali has also set up a fund to finance her security in the US.

Those who believe she is deserving of their hard-earned dollars are free to contribute their own after-tax income to her support. Please don't contribute my tax dollars. Hirsi Ali can take care of herself. If she needs help, let her go to Hollywood. The stars can tell her how they do things.

Morgaan Sinclair: Cornelius initially evinced some skepticism about where you got your information respecting Hirsi Ali's extravagences. You responded by an attack on his character. Don't you see that you overreacted? Even assuming your contentions about HA are true, back them up rather than engage in an ad hominem attack. Am I missing something here? Will await your response.

We have no citations or sources regarding Ms. Ali's alleged profligacy except the absolutely unsupported word of a poster. Due to my experience on other blogs, I do know that no-one else brings out as much rage in zealous muslimahs, their dhimmified fellow-travelers, and otherwise sensible people who listen to the envious drivel of the above as does Ms. Ali.

Ms. Ali creates so much fury in muslimahs because, I presume, she denies them the use of the race/gender card while possessing personal experience of Islam. As fellow-travelers simply serve and obey Muslims in order to earn their approval and a sense of self-righteous tolerance, their motivations are both clear and irrelevant. The last group -- the otherwise sensible folks -- are a little harder to figure out.

Money is one thing, and it's a BIG thing, and I can see the point. But imagine the following: an SJS (Sudden Jihad Syndrome) Muslim -- that "nice man next door," perhaps a professional, a doctor, a family man -- murdering Ms. Ali on American soil. The sheer pleasure and triumph allowed to the Umma would eclipse any murder Muslims have achieved to date, probably including the nursing mother Asma bint Marwan back in the day.

The dancing and ululating in American mosques would go on for weeks, and would be much more aggressively "in your face" to the kaffirs they live among. Even the envious catspaws, the kind that pile on every blog where Ms. Ali is mentioned, would probably break a smirk or two.

Then all bets are off as to the survival of anyone who dares to criticize Islam. We can afford to lose Ms. Ali even less than we can afford to protect her.

PMK and Morgaan Sinclair

I know what I said, but I am only human...

If you noticed in the article above she has asked the DUTCH government, not the US government for protection.

The one who said that the American government should spend money to protect her was Robert Spencer. You know the guy who runs this site. Mr. Jihadwatch himself, the big cheese, the author of many great books about Islam, which you can buy on Amazon now like The Truth About Muhammad and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam. (like how I plugged that in the comments section, key words are our friends).

Instead of ranting about Hirsi Ali (who also has a wonderful book called Infidel, on Amazon now), and all her supposed evil ways, why not explain to Mr. Spencer why he is wrong? I personally think Mr. Spencer is right!

The police "protection" angle of this story has promoted me to share an off topic(perhaps not too off)encounter experienced within the last two days. An individual conversing with a group of five (my self included)commented, out of the blue,after various mutually pleasing topics,about his "experiences" in Bosnia and how the "poor muslims" were caught up between an internal Christian strife and how this absolved them from any responsibility whatsoever,"regardless of their actions",leading a friend of mine to point out those instances of unprovoked massacres of Serb villages to which that friend was invited to "depart my presence."

The crux of the story being literally the moment when two self proclaimed "off duty" NOPD's (New Orleans police dept,yes that's right NEW ORLEANS,the last dept that should be concerned with bowing toward the PC mantra with what is currently on their public relations plate)stepped in and accused my friend of being guilty of the "R" word-Racism and proceeded to mockingly(maybe for real) call his super. Which prompted me to head for my car,to which I was followed by both(one with a longneck in hand)toward my car,at which point a declaration was made of the gravity of their current situation considering the lack of confirmation of such an identity coupled with the fact no "crime" had even been close to being committed. A quick shout out to Charles Foti(google him,used to date me aunt) yielded a watch commander who processed the subsequent complaint.

The ultimate point being that even in a city such as New Orleans,what should be the last bastion of indifference toward PC platitudes in North America,we either have NOPD's on a diversity pitched newspeak mantra,or indoctrinated lunatics on the prowl.

Either way,not a very satisfactory state of affairs.

“I don't know where Morgan Sinclair is getting his info....I take it with more than a grain of salt.”
Posted by: Cornelius

“…his info…”

I am SO confused. I thought Morgaan Sinclair was a girl.

Had a discussion with Morgaan a while ago, about female, feminist Islamic lawyers that she/he professed to know a lot about. The flavor of the conversation led me to believe that Morgaan was female – perhaps I was mistaken.

Morgaan, could you clarify this please?

I think it is only natural that she is asking the Dutch government. If she were a U.S. national, she would ask the U.S. for protection.

The problem is, if all of us ex-Muslims came out, you would need every solider on the planet to protect us alone.

It's better to fight them head on than to hope to be protected.

Ms. Sinclair wrote an absolutely kick-ass piece on the Islamic murder of Aqsa Parvez. You can read it, and you should, at

http://www.bloggernews.net/112391

On the other hand, anyone with a lick of sense and a passing familiarity with the Koran and the hadith knows that "feminist Islamic," lawyer or otherwise, is an oxymoron. No amount of reliance on vague, flowery Meccan suras can overcome the fact that Mohammed was a serial rapist and child molester who himself beat one wife (and ignored the savage beatings of other wives among his coterie), threatened to abandon another wife because she was old, built subjugation of women into his holy doctrine, and personally equated women with domestic animals and dirt. Make of the whole business what you will.

interestinconundrum

I tried to open the site on Kosovo and to subscribe to their news letter. but it is impossible they reject email from the US .
Did you try "

interestinconundrum

I tried to open the site on Kosovo and to subscribe to their news letter. but it is impossible they reject email from the US .
Did you try "

If the USA have to pay for her security. they should also pay for the security of Wafa Sultan.

and the security of all women who are in danger when speaking against Islam

Hirsi Ali is a very brave woman, and I for one do not CARE what she spends on a gown, or whatever else may or may not be "lavished" on her. She is hardly a spoiled brat, and I find that assessment of her to be completely unfair and petty; as her courage and strength eclipse any supposed brattiness she might display.

I would spoil you myself if I could, Hirsi, and may God protect and Bless you now and for years to come.

Hirsi Ali is a very brave woman, and I for one do not CARE what she spends on a gown, or whatever else may or may not be "lavished" on her. She is hardly a spoiled brat, and I find that assessment of her to be completely unfair and petty; as her courage and strength eclipse any supposed brattiness she might display.

I would spoil you myself if I could, Hirsi, and may God protect and Bless you now and for years to come.

I'm with Champ and others.

I don't know if Morgaan Sinclair's facts about Hirsi Ali's extravagance are true but I don't find them relevant to the question of her security. She has earned a lot of money; it's what courageous and creative people can do in the West. And whatever her life style, she earned it. I don't begrudge it, I celebrate it.

Class envy does not serve the cause of freedom; it serves opposing causes.

I agree with Robert, who did not say that the American government should protect her merely for the humanity of it. He said that the American government would be KEEN to protect her if they but understood the worldwide jihadist threat to us all, and Ayaan's role in the fight against it.

We have no actual evidence of any "lavish" spending by Ms. Ali. We do have evidence of death threats against her, coming even from a United States imam.

We know by now that many Muslims take death fatwas as their god Allah's command. We also know that brutal violence by Muslim males against defiant females meets with tacit approval, not condemnation, by the Muslim "community."

Attacks on Ms. Ali should be met with extreme skepticism. Those based on her clothes should be met with contempt.

Marwan'sDaughter,

Thank you for the link to Morgaan’s article and I agree, it is “absolutely kick ass”.

You have provided an example of Morgaan at her best, while I had remembered her at her “not so best”.

I am pleased that there is some balance here.

If our government pays for her to live then our govt agencies, ALL of them should listen to what she has to say.

PMK

We as taxpayers piss away billions each week in Iraq and hundreds of billions a year on making defense contractors richer that the Saudi Royal Family.

We as taxypayer piss away billions to keep Wall Street boyz in their Armani and Seville Row $10,000 suits and mansions in the Hamptons.

So don't give me any nonsense about funding.

She's earned protection even if AEI won't step up.

And the thing is she's done more for the cause than you and that silly Morgann character.

If anything Morgann needs to stop channeling Maureen Dowd.

And when you and Morgann have accomplished as much as her and have a bullseye on your chest as a result you might have the right to bitch about her and her lifestyle.

Until then...

She is now living in the United States. She doesn't have to get security assigned to her, she is perfectly free to be her own security. State laws permitting, she should use some of that donated detail money, attend a couple of classes at a top tier shooting school, get a CCW permit, and buy her own pistol. Then get a large pile of ammo to keep her skills sharp.
Presto, any Van Gogh type assassin gets ventilated before he even gets his first stab attempt in.

waltc,
The fact that we spend billions of dollars in Iraq has nothing to do with Hirsi Ali. The two are not related. WE are not required to protect HER. She is a woman of means who came here of her own volition. She's much safer here than she ever was in the Netherlands.

greatcomet,
I didn't rant about Hirsi Ali. ALL I spoke about was the idea that Americans should feel a sense of obligation to provide special protection. You think Spencer is right. I think he is wrong. Many people think the US government should be stepping up to pay for her protection. I say again: she is not a public official in the US. She is a private individual. She gets the same police protection we all get. Nothing more, nothing less. If she needs more, there are many people able and willing to provide it for her. The American people are very generous. We give to many private causes. It should be our choice to give, not the decision of our leaders to spend our tax dollars. There is a fund set up to pay for her security. You're free to donate as much as you want.
If Hirsi Ali were out of the limelight paying for protection might be acceptable. As long as she chooses to make herself a public figure then she needs to accept the risks that go with it. She's prepared to cash in on her fame. Now she has to accept everything else that fame brings.
The implication from this article and many others was that now that she is in the US it should be up to the US government to provide her the protection formerly afforded her in Holland. In the Netherlands she was an MP. I don't think the US government provides members of Congress the level of security this woman expects to have. She's not a member of Congress. She's not the president. She can pay for her own security. The US hasn't gone completely socialist. People are still responsible for themselves.

"And when you and Morgann have accomplished as much as her and have a bullseye on your chest as a result you might have the right to bitch about her and her lifestyle."

Posted by: waltc

I admire and respect Ms. Ali, from her speeches to her books, to her brave acts, and I agree that she needs protection.

However, she's not sacred. She's not above criticism from anyone, any more than is the Pope, the President of the US, Mother Theresa, or the Dalai Lama. This is especially true, if she is to live in the US.

PMK and Morgaan have the right to "bitch about her lifestyle", and you have the right to ignore their posts.

Morgaan,

We're all waiting for some substantiation of your vicious charges against Hirsi Ali regarding her supposed life-style profligacy, not to mention her character ("spoiled brat")....and on top of that, you've impugned my integrity and honesty because of a simple expression of healthy skepticism about unsubstantiated charges made against someone of renowned courage.

Are you always this judgmental?

We all eagerly await your response.

The "kick-ass" article referred by Marwan'sDaughter is long on emotional language and basically one or two logical points hammered incessantly, but short on facts (which may be good since we've seen here the kinds of unsubstantiated "facts" that writer slings around). It also suffers from numerous typos. The most troubling thing is a little paragraph buried in the middle:

"...hadith that have overtaken any initial impulse within Islam that would have given women equality — an impetus lost, Bernard Lewis says, within 50 years of the Prophet’s death. Whatever was there effectively died as abrogation destroyed more and more of the spiritual side of Islam, replacing it with spurious hadith that pleased the Muslim male, to whose pleasure and control the entire religion has now been bent."

This paragraph implies that Mohammed (wow, the writer even accords him the title "the Prophet") was good and that only after his death did Islam begin to become bad. This is an unacceptable position. Anyone who has it in my book is unacceptable.

She proves that "Courage is the first virtue."

One problem is that many of the Muslims I knew when I lived in Indonesia saw radicalism and just looked the other way.

PMK wrote:

"She hasn't given up Islam. The lady is still a Muslim. That means she still believes in the same things all other Muslims believe in, Islamic supremacy among them."

My understanding has always been (from hearing interviews with Ms. Ali and reading two of her books) that when she does refer to herself as "a Muslim," she means only that her cultural background is Muslim. She sometimes refers to herself as "Muslim" only to underscore the point that she understands the Islamic culture, religion, and general mindset, having been steeped in Islam for so many years. However, she has also made clear many times that she is an atheist and secular humanist; she is NOT a Muslim in terms of her religious beliefs.

I do not understand how anyone can defend Morgaan, not after what she pulled last year by threatening to sue numerous posters - and without apology too. Find better and more worthy posters to defend, as she does not deserve such loyalty.

The argument used most often to justify spending government money to protect this person is the waste of other government money. So the five dollars I put in my pocket falls through the hole in that pocket, do I sew the hole or just put in a ten dollar bill, hoping the bigger numbers on it keep it from slipping through the same hole?
The next argument is that some one with her courage should be protected for being courageous. Not hard to be corageous if you can call on the government to protect you.
Who is protecting Mr. Spencer, Mr. Fitzgerald, the posters in this forum who allow their posts to link to their personal web sites (you can find my address, home phone, a map to my home in my link), how hard would the local, state and federal government laugh at me if I should insist on protection?
Why don't you just set it up so that the federal government gets my weekly paycheck, takes their cut, passes it to the state, they get their cut, local, etc., and give me whatever is left. Would that satisfy our national guilt syndrome?
Later
Albert

Gambler'sChoice,

There are different levels of threat, depending on at least two important things, 1) how much of a target you are based on the things you say and do and your public visibility and fame, and 2) what actual threats you have received. Hirsi Ali's level of being threatened is likely much higher than yours since 1) she has been saying and doing things publically against Islam for years in her major role as a member of Dutch parliament, as a writer of published books, interviewed on the popular American news show 60 Minutes and numerous other venues. She's also valuable promoter of the cause against Islam by simply being a black African female and ex-Muslim.

And 2) the Muslim cell that planned and executed the assassination of Theo Van Gogh in Holland in 2004 communicated a direct death threat to Hirsi Ali by having the assassin Mohammed Bouyeri pin a note to the chest of the dying Theo Van Gogh that was directly addressed to Hirsi Ali by name and which was a death threat to her. Hirsi Ali had written the text for Van Gogh's film Submission which got him murdered by the same Muslims who threatened Hirsi Ali with death. Years later, Hirsi Ali began work on a part 2 to that film. Can you match that for living a life threatened by Muslims?

As for Robert Spencer needing government protection too, sure, but does that make Morgaan Sinclair's arguments any less stupid? And Spencer has the good grace to call for government protection for Hirsi Ali even though he's not getting any himself.

Link for some of the stuff in my last post: http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2004/dec/05/features.magazine77

I would rather my taxes be spent protecting Hirsi Ali than wasted on welfare mommas and drug addicts.

DenverRodeo,
I cannot disagree with the information you provided, you are a careful and intelligent poster who always backs your thoughts with fact. I guess my real problem is the constant call for the use of "government money", (my hard earned money) not only in this thread but several others posted today. I suppose my comments belong on a taxpayerswatch site more than a jihadwatch site.
And I don't want to be mis-understood to be defending Morgaan Sinclair's posts. I think you sum up most of his rants quite well with your observation that it "is long on emotional language and basically one or two logical points hammered incessantly, but short on facts (which may be good since we've seen here the kinds of unsubstantiated "facts" that writer slings around). It also suffers from numerous typos." Kinda reminds me of some of the statements made by islamic "clerics" defending their indefensible "religion"
Guess I went off topic, but let me take this time to thank you and all of the others here who have helped me understand the threat we all live under these days
Later
Albert

I do not object to Hirsi Ali asking for protection from the US, because she is fighting for us ALL, and her efforts to stop this threat impact each one of us.

Like Robert pointed out, terrorism is a worldwide problem: "But if the American government had any sense of what it is really up against in this conflict against jihadists worldwide, and who the real warriors are against those jihadists, Hirsi Ali would get protection from the U.S."

There are situations where I would agree that the US should not be financially burdened, but this is NOT that situation; and I would also like to ask those opposed to paying for her protection to put themselves on the front line. I guess it's easier to take shots at her than to imagine being shot at - or worse - tortured to death.

..."put themselves on the front line. I guess it's easier to take shots at her than to imagine being shot at"...

If that was directed at me, I might take offense, as I am a U.S. Navy veteran, and make no attempt at hiding my identity or present location. But I will assume you were talking to some one else, for now.
Later
Albert

Morgaan Sinclair is curiously silent.

Let's giver him/her the benefit of the doubt and assume she/he is busy and that verification of her charges against Hirsi Ali (and me) will be forthcoming shortly.

Hi Albert -

No, it wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the poster who called Hirsi a "spoiled brat". No, my friend, you are not on my radar at all; and while I am thinking of it, I want to Thank You for your loyal service to our country. I love our service men and women, as my Father was in the Air Force, and I enjoy thanking those deserving of such gratitude every chance I get. Take care!

Posted by:ImNoDhimmi
Ms. Hirsi Ali deserves all the perqs she can get. She has more courage than 99% of the posters on this site.

There are some of us here who live within islamic states and face more danger than Hirsi Ali, and are just as active as she is, yet seeking funds for protection is less of a priority than speaking out about islam.

Cornelius

Good luck on that. She is always doing stuff like this in relation to Hirsi Ali and Bosnia.

So for those who don't know the "Saga of Morgaan Sinclair"...a little history lesson.

See:

Morgaan On Hirsi Ali

http://jihadwatch.org/archives/015150.php

Morgaan On Armenians, and Serbians

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018424.php

There are many, many more...plus she has a list (much like Nixon had a list, just that this one is real!).

Her "Nixon" list includes: Hugh Fitzgerald, and Marisol Siebold, and a select group of commentors: "Infidel Pride", "Atheling", "Kate", "champ", "Caroline" and me. I am happy to belong to this select group of inductees in the Morgaan Sinclair Hall of Fame.

See the link below for proof, also scroll to the bottom of the page for the comments section at the bottom for proof as well...

"http://gracenintelligence.blogspot.com/2007/10/about-hugh-fitzgerald-what-mustafa.html"

Cornelius if you work hard enough by simply refuting the insane things she says, you too can have this honor as well.

BTW Morgaan, I have saved the screen, so no need to ask your cronies at Gracen to take it down. I know you claim to have these mystical powers over many people, let us test that theory now...

Morgaan Sinclair, apologize for what you have said about Hirsi Ali (here and other times), or provide proof.....otherwise if you don't you are lying!

Correction above: The link above for the Morgaan Sinclair list of bad people is...

http://gracenintelligence.blogspot.com/2007/10/about-hugh-fitzgerald-what-mustafa.html

Comet,

Her silence is deafening.

InfidelK9,

Okay, maybe 99% was a bit too high. 75 % may be closer to the truth.

By the way, what's happening with The Illustrated P.I.G. to Islam blog? The message says, "This blog is in violation of Blogger's Terms of Service and is open to authors only" when I try to visit. I miss The Illustrated P.I.G.!

All-- Let's stick to the topic at hand as much as possible. I'd much rather we didn't dredge up bitter past disputes that are now many months old.

Ms. Ali's Islamic murder on American soil would be a spectacular triumph for the Ummah. Friday khutbas would celebrate it for years. I don't believe it is paranoid to imagine that more attacks on writers, artists and intellectuals in America and elsewhere would immediately follow, as successful religious slaughter in Islam is always followed by more slaughter.

Finally, I've seen these unsubstantiated, hit-and-run aspersions on Ms. Ali on other blogs. It's almost as if they come from a playbook. While the standard enraged MSA hijabi is easy to spot (they always bring up Ingrid Mattson), some attacks are more elegant, with more red herrings, than others.

"Morgaan Sinclair is curiously silent."

That's a switch. I always had the impression she loves the sound of her own voice.

"I am happy to belong to this select group of inductees in the ___________ Hall of Fame."

Posted by: greatcometof1577

LOL, greatcomet1577, but something tells me the list is actually over 100 strong and growing.

Do you have a hate list? I don't. I have a list of those I love, and you're on it! :-)

Hate lists are for losers.

Marisol

"Study the past if you would divine the future." Confucius

I will do as you ask...for I have nothing left to prove.

champ

Thank you...and from the bottom of my heart the same.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

By the way, what's happening with The Illustrated P.I.G. to Islam blog? The message says, "This blog is in violation of Blogger's Terms of Service and is open to authors only" when I try to visit. I miss The Illustrated P.I.G.!

Thats right, Google have shut The Illustrated P.I.G down.

I just hope this is not a new trend.

I guess this thread is nearly dead, but I want to say that I am extremely disappointed in Morgaan here.

She drops by to basically insult someone who is a hero to me and most people in anti-jihadism circles, then insults Cornelius because he was skeptical of her info, and then went deafeningly silent.

What gives here?

Normally, Morgaan produces volumes of references for her positions on Kosovo and Serbia, but now it is her silence that speaks volumes.

I have to conclude that she has no evidence to give us, and is jealous of, or just hates Hirsi Ali. Not a reliable witness.