And what are they learning?
"My main goal is to go back and spread Islam all over USA."
"Not one Jewish person died in the 9/11 attacks." "Muslim people didn't do it."
"You are the terrorists. American people are the terrorists. We are not the terrorists."
Here is the Karachi Kids website (and thanks to Amil Imani for the link to the trailer above).
"Antenna up on Islamic schools: U.S. officials wary of possible al-Qaida recruiting," by Stewart M. Powell in the Houston Chronicle, July 12:
WASHINGTON — It's a nightmare scenario that awakens some U.S. intelligence officials at night: Pakistani-American youths will enter the country to carry out terrorist attacks after spending time at radical religious schools and al-Qaida training camps in Pakistan.Officials say it hasn't happened, and some experts warn against labeling all young Americans who study in Pakistan as potential terrorists.
But the high-profile return home of two U.S.-born Pakistani-American teenagers last week who spent four years at a radical Islamic madrassa in Karachi has focused fresh attention on the potential threat, even though the brothers have no known ties to terrorism.
"...even though the brothers have no known ties to terrorism." The fact that they just spent four years learning the jihad ideology in depth ought to be enough grounds for suspicion.
Their saga stirred concern among some members of Texas' congressional delegation, prompting a call for congressional hearings and a request by 10 Republican members of the House for Pakistan to deport the estimated 700 Americans studying at the madrassas."From al-Qaida's standpoint, Pakistanis with American nationality are very attractive targets to recruit," says Bruce Riedel, a former career intelligence officer whose assignments included responsibility for South Asia. "They would have American passports that mean when they get to Dulles International Airport (outside Washington, D.C.) or George Bush International Airport (in Houston), they just sail right through."...
Read it all.
"even though the brothers have no known ties to terrorism..."
Who writes this drivel? What about the school they just came from? Isn't it a terrorist school? Didn't you write: "a radical Islamic madrassa." Do you think your reader is so dumb as to forget the previous sentence about attending the madrassa? How is it brothers attending an islamic madrassa have no "known" connection to terrorism?
I'm sure that all the kiddies who attended the Nazi Bunds didn't necessarily become shocktroops of genocide, per se. But surely they were vectors of the disease? That disease needed destroying badly, and those who attended Nazi indoctrination were wisely not given the benefit of doubt. The risks to civilization were simply too high in that terrible epoch.
In this age of WMD, in this age of resurgent Islam rampant, in this age of dire menace, we can't afford to take chances. Enough Muslim traitors have guaranteed that fact. It isn't our fault, it's completely the fault of Muslims for proving themselves too dangerous and too untrustworthy when they streamed in unprecedented numbers into the House of the Infidels, the Islamic "House of War".
Seems to me that this should be grounds for the CPA to get involved. If you sent your child to a Nazi education camp you'd probably have your kids taken away from you. These madrassas are no different.
"They would have American passports that mean when they get to Dulles International Airport (outside Washington, D.C.) or George Bush International Airport (in Houston), they just sail right through."...
-- from the article above
This is why American passports should not be given to those whose inner essential beliefs flatly contradict the letter and spirit of the American Constitution, and who, it is legitimate and rational to believe, will at some point, in some way, act to further not that Constitution but, rather, the Shari'a, and the Umma of Believers, and the goal shared by those Believers, of conducting a struggle or Jihad to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam.
And if out of ignorance and negligence and confusion, been conferred or otherwise obtained by such people, Believers in Islam, they should be taken away. There are ways to do this, by imposing certain additional tests either for the attainment of citizenship, or the retention of such citizenship, by both naturalized citizens and those who have managed now to obtain citizenship through their parents.
This is the minimum that this country, and other Western countries, are going to have to start doing.
Years ago a close friend and spiritual mentor told me that if you get porno books, magazines and literature to read it is like pouring dirty sewer water over your brain. I equate what these boys have been through to that.
Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Because they were born in the US, they cannot be deported. We need a sweeping change in citizenship laws. That change needs to happen last Friday. But, it cannot be applied retroactively; that part of the Constitution must not be changed.
Starting at the instant when the constitution is officially amended, children born in the US of immigrant parents shall have the same citizenship category as their parents. The one possible exception might be for naturalized citizens whose children would be full citizens. This will put and end to the "anchor baby" problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_baby
What now?
Re-education camps to deprogram them?
when l cross over into Detroit at the border, the customs officials look very proffesional and are more concerned about questioning women with dogs and are wasting their time with people like me as l do not fit the terrorists type ie, muslim male between ages of 18 to 50. What l would like to tell them is that your dangerous terrorists are already in your country, now born and bred muslims ready to take over your country (and mine). Its time to identify the elephant in the room, and its the pious musim who will be the terrorists in our midst.
We can't change the Constitution retroactively but there is a process for stripping people of their citizenship.
Why can't we deny reentry to anyone who goes to certain countries without a clear and specific reason? Dad must have traveled back and forth over these four years to see his sons. Why couldn't he be denied reentry?
Why is the father not up on charges or being looked at very closely? Only a terrorist would send their children to a school like this.
I'm supposed to believe that the father had no idea what went on in Pakistani madrassas and that it would have been impossible for him to teach the kids the Koran in the U.S.
What immigrants, who come to America seeking a better life for their country, would then send their kids back to the "old country" for "education" rather than have them learn the tools necessary to succeed in their new land? Unless, of course, they are just settling here behind enemy lines to carry on their jihad against America. Then it makes perfect sense to indoctrinate their kids in hatred, teach them that life in this world isn't to be enjoyed and have them thoroughly unprepared and un-sociailized for productive lives in America. The kids are just tools of the father for jihad. What other choice are they programmed for?
And, out of the 15,000 madrassas in Pakistan (all of which it should be criminal for parents in the US to send children), this "simple taxi driver" father just happened to pick the one from which the Taliban emerged. What are the odds?
should be "better life for their children"
"I want my children to see the world," Kahn said, "get more education so they can get better work than me."
His sons — Noor Elahi Kahn, 17, and Mahboob Elahi Kahn, 16 — had been undergoing demanding religious training at the sprawling Jamia Binoria madrassa in Karachi ever since.
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It's good to have international experience. Doing business with Pakistan, speaking the language and knowing the mindset.
They were in a religious school though. Spending time memorizing Quran doesn't seem very productive, since you can always browse it online with your PDA/smartphone.
Islam 24/7...
Johnswyer, I feel confident that memorizing the Quran is something taken from whatever the "Perfect Man" said or did. Since he allegedly memorized what Gabriel or Allah told him, the Quran is memorized to emulate Mohammed. Computers and PDAs aren't 7th Century enough.
It is stupid, idiotic, dumb, and moronish to memorize something in a language that one doesn't speak. But it is a brilliant idea, it perpetuates Arab supremacism that we hear so much about.
Whatever y'all decide to call Mohammed, do not call him stupid. He was very smart in the same way that Frank Costello, Meyer Lansky, and Mao Tse-Tung were smart.
I realize that I was probably insulting Lansky, Costello, and the Chairman, but you all know what I mean.
"I believe all the stuff I learn"
Stuff...So that's what the Quran and the Imams at the madrassa teach, 'stuff' to believe in.
And they want to return to the US and spread that 'stuff' around town. Pakistan 'stuff' belongs to Pakistan, and all their 'stuff' should stay in their borders. Let these young muslims stay in Pakistan as permanent guardians of 'stuff'. They have earned it...
Memorizing a book in a language you don't speak is like memorizing gibberish. Uttering sounds is not the same as comprehension.
How many non-Arab Muslims know what they are reciting?
How many Arabs know what they are reciting? Every time Muslims are challenged about the contents of the Koran we hear about "classical" Arabic, and that Koranic words don't really mean what they say.
Sounds like Germany, circa 1935. Hitler Youth Movement.
Take the children from their homes. Lie to them.
Tell them the Jews are to blame for eveything.
Indoctrinate them.
Brainwash them.
Deprive them of comfort.
Toughen them.
Turn them into something less than human.
No compassion.
No opportunity for deductive reasoning, save for what information they have been force-fed for years upon years of 24-7 Nazi doctrine.
We've got a huge Problem here and our national leaders, not to mention the remaining candidates for Commander in Chief, have not the foggiest notion of the scope and depth of the Problem.
According to the film's web site, American children in Pakistani Madrassas
"learn a radicalized version of the Koran — nothing more, nothing less. The religion taught in the Jamia Binoria is called Deobandism. It’s also known as the religion of the Taliban. There is no math, science, English, history or any other subjects taught to these children. They learn the Koran."
What does "radicalized version" of the Koran mean? What's the difference between such a "radicalized" version and a non-radicalized version?
http://www.karachikids.com/about/faqs.html
"I want my children to see the world," Kahn said, "get more education so they can get better work than me."
Yep, sending them to a radical madrassa will sure help with that.
No math, no science, no history, geography or chemistry, no English, Spanish or French.....perhaps they'll end up as taxi drivers like their father, if they don't blow themselves up first.
Who would have thought that achieving more than your parents meant you died in a suicide blast?
Is that what this father means when he says he wants his sons to get "better work than me"?
He certainly didn't send them to a school where they would learn about the world, except maybe if geography meant learning the locations of places that you are supposed to destroy.
These are dropouts from a madrassah - talk about new levels of low achievement!
I am so torn about this story. The idea of American kids--even kids who are just nominally American--languishing in a brutal Pakistani madrassa *horrifies* me. I'm glad they are out of that.
And yet--it is hard not to regard these kids as carriers of a diseased ideology. They were in this madrassa for four long years--from 12 to 16 for the youngest boy--a very important period in any child's education.
Supposedly, these kids were eager to return to the US--but why? Maybe they just wanted to return to skateboarding and watching the Simpsons--after all, there is no fun in Islamic madrassas.
One kid said, "I believe all the stuff I learn", including "You are the terrorists. American people are the terrorists. We are not the terrorists." These don't sound like the words of someone who considers himself an American.
"My main goal is to go back and spread Islam all over USA."--will his parents--who seem to have regretted sending the boys to Pakistan--do anything to counter this ideology? I wouldn't count on it.
I'm under the eery feeling that these boys were sent back to recruit. After having them in that madrassa for 4 years, why was it so important to bring them home now? Was there "training" complete and time to go back to an American high school and make new friends and re-aquaint with old friends?
I suspect this is a sleeper cell in the making.
..a request by 10 Republican members of the House for Pakistan to deport the estimated 700 Americans studying at the madrassas.
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How about revoking their passports instead and MANDATING they stay in Pak?
I believe all the stuff I learn on Jihadwatch!