Iran test-fires missile that can reach Israel

I think there will be an Israeli raid btween the election and the inauguration followed by a real or manufactured attack on US naval assets in the Gulf which will unleash massive US retaliation totally destroying Natanz and its satellite facilities. Oil will break $200 a barrel and a world wide financail crisis will commence. Oil consumption will plummet and prices will drop over the months following the war to around a hundred dollars a barrel.

Until the muslims can strike American soil...

nevermind.

"Freedom1776" is either a Liberal Dupe or an Iranian cyber-agent ATTEMPTING to de-moralize Americans to benefit the Islamonazi "Islamic Republic of Iran".
They will find this is one site they WILL NOT be successful on.

As long as Israel remains internally infected with Self-Loathing Utopian Myopia (SLUM), Iran nuking them is the least of their worries. The 5th column will continue to strangle Israel from within, and Iran knows it. All they need to do is keep these nuclear threats alive as a distraction while supplying and funding Hezballah and "Palestinian" Jihad inside the Jewish State.

Here's the latest idiocy from the Self-Loathing State of Hellenized Concessionists:
High Court Guilty of Treason

"iranian cyber-agent" heh.

Oil is going thru the roof and prices will only go higher when the war starts. Hopefully that will be soon and we can get it over and done with.
I am SO tired of the verbal drivel.

Bring it on!

Can Iran actually hit anything of worth with these Rockets?

Iran will look like Fireworks Factory, after a Fire, if they shoot a few our way.

I just checked my map and it seems any Iranian rockets have to pass over Iraq on their way to Israel? Is there some kind of U.S. missile shield in Iraq?

Why are they still 'test firing' these things? Don't trust their korean buddies or their own engineers?

Mike Trivisonno, have you been "RIP VAN WINKLE",sleeping for the last Quarter-Century?
Attacks on Americans worldwide,including OUR Embassies and Consulates(officially American SOIL),going back to IRAN,1978, Beirut ,Africa, etc.;American housing such as the U.S. Marine Barracks(Beirut-1983, Khobar Towers(Saudi Arabia),Beirut(again),and COUNTLESS attacks that have been STOPPED thanks to the GREAT WORK of the FBI and our other Counter-Terrorism HEROES.
Is it necessary to REMIND you of 9/11 and the 1993 WTC Bombing?

Mike Trivisonno, have you been "RIP VAN WINKLE",sleeping for the last Quarter-Century?
Attacks on Americans worldwide,including OUR Embassies and Consulates(officially American SOIL),going back to IRAN,1978, Beirut ,Africa, etc.;American housing such as the U.S. Marine Barracks(Beirut-1983, Khobar Towers(Saudi Arabia),Beirut(again),and COUNTLESS attacks that have been STOPPED thanks to the GREAT WORK of the FBI and our other Counter-Terrorism HEROES.
Is it necessary to REMIND you of 9/11 and the 1993 WTC Bombing?

To Choi- I am neither a liberal dupe or an "Iranian Cyber-agent, just someone making a prediction based on what I have studied. Israel will attack while Bush is still in office. That's my view. As for the the rise in oil price prediction- the mere test of a missile by Iran bumped the price several dollars today-what would real shooting war do. Perhaps $250 is more realistic. Thankfully that's what the Stretegic Reserve is there for.
Further from my point of view messianic Iran, the leading sponsor of terror and sub national terrorist organization, must not be allowed to have a supply of enriched uranium to spread around to its multitudinous hirelings. A nuclear Iran is a very real existential threat to the US. I wish we had the political will to take out their facilities without Israel taking the lead. One way or the other Natanz must be destroyed....

Freedom76,

I think your comments are a pretty good prediction of the future. In the absence of American leadership, Israel WILL act, and the price of oil will indeed sky-rocket, at least for the short-term.

Iran is a very real threat to the US. There are a variety of ways for them to kill and hurt us. We have no border protection. As an example of this, someone recently rode across the border on an elephant with a Mariachi band playing while on camera and no one even noticed them. Poisening our food is another option. Just look how effective our FDA is at stopping the ongoing salmonella poisening of possibly tens of thousands of US citizens. It has been three months and the FDA or CDC still doesn't have a clue where the food poisening is from.

If Iran wants to really get serious, they can take some of their radioactive product and disperse it with a small bomb in a large city. Goodby city. If they get their nuke then the rules really change. They could float a ship into a harbor and launch a short range nuke tipped missile, nuke the entire boat, launch a medium range nuke EMP missile sending us to the stone age, or have some of their Hezbo friends penetrate our homeland with WMD's in hand.

All and I do mean all of these options can be done through surrogates with no traceability back to Iran thus giving them plausible deniability. So we would take the hit and not know where to strike back.

From the story on CNN:
"Our finger is always on the trigger and we have hundreds and even thousands of missiles ready to be fired," said Gen. Hossein Salami, commander of the Revolutionary Guard ground forces.

General Salami, with that attitude, one day you will end up with egg all over your face.

Or quite possibly mayo.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dismissed fears that Israel and the United States could be preparing to attack his country, calling the possibility a "funny joke."would some please tell imanujob that he and irans so called armed forces need to practice the arms over the head they are the joke

"If Iran wants to really get serious, they can take some of their radioactive product and disperse it with a small bomb in a large city. Goodby city."

Spot on:

And then it's goodbye Iran!

They're not THAT stupid, are they?

Permission to revise and extend my remarks:

And then it's goodbye and good riddance Iran!
Persia will be a thing of the past.
The person who places/releases/detonates that bomb will sign a death warrant for his country.
The Iranian people are not THAT stupid, are they?

That would put Israel, Turkey, the Arabian peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan within striking distance....

Not to mention Greece, Romania, Macedonia, Bulgaria and Serbia. And once the Shahab 4 appears a few years later, pretty much all of Europe.

And then it's goodbye Iran!

They're not THAT stupid, are they?

PMK

Iran is absolutely not that stupid. They have been extremely smart in how they have handled everything regarding their nuke program thus far.

Iran may attack Israel under their own name but not us. They would go to great lengths to hide the origin of the weapons and agents used to hit us. It would be relatively easy for them to hand off WMD's to third party terrorists, Bin Laden or Hezbollah for instance. A radioactive conventional bomb to spread radioactivity over a city would be by far, the easiest. After any such attack, they would claim innocence for the attack and we would have no solid proof against Iran.

"Is there some kind of U.S. missile shield in Iraq?" - madijihadi

If there are not already Patriot batteries there to protect US forces, then there should be. However, they may not help much.
As we have discussed here before, according to Shia escatology the Hidden Imam will appear in a time of chaos.
Ahmadinejad may intend to attack Israel, or the continental USA, or US Forces in the region. Or he may not have made up his mind yet.
He may be preparing missiles capable of carrying NCB warheads, or something less technologically demanding, such as converted trucks, ships or passenger aircraft.
That any of these situations would be likely to result in devastating retaliation may not worry him, because devastating retaliation may be exactly what he wants, if he believes that it will cause the Hidden Imam to appear, or to be revealed. (Revealed because there are those who suggest that the Hidden Imam is none other than Ahmadinejad himself ).
Talking to Iran may delay him in some way, and perhaps allow time for other events to overtake him, but he is not about winning or losing in rational military terms, he wants to light a terrible apocalyptic fire, and it is only a question of when and how, not if.

And then it's goodbye and good riddance Iran!
Persia will be a thing of the past.

I like that thought.

I would like to see one of our subs turn Iran into parking lot.

the fight is coming, unless of course the West completely submits (and most of the West has already done so).

Hezbollah is the single largest, best trained, best supplied terrorist group and they have many agensts already within the USA and other Western countries. they have training bases in Central and South America and probably in Canada.

Israel is not really the issue, but it's the most effective rallying cry the islamists have in recruiting terrorists. Iran has been at war with the USA since 1979 only we (our government) are determined not to see it as a war, but a misunderstanding.

we're doomed. the longet we wait to kick off this battle, the more devastating it will be for all of mankind.

Spot on,
If they attack Israel or the US with any kind of WMD then it's good-bye Iran.

If you think they will attack Israel then it seems they are indeed THAT stupid.

American rules should be that no Muslim country is safe if we are attacked with a WMD. We will not be going into a court of law trying to get search warrants and tracking the travel of everyone and how they got here and whom they spoke to. It will not be a criminal investigation. It will be war. All Muslim terrorist groups are linked to Iran. Given Iran's penchant for nuclear weapons, responsibility for any dirty bomb will immediately be laid at their doorstep. They can thank themselves for that.

I still want to believe the Iranian people are not THAT stupid.

Iran is has not attacked a country in the last 280 years, a similar count of the US would be close to 100. In the time of the Iran-Iraq war Israel was actually supplying Iran with spare parts for Iranian tanks as the Israelis saw a strategic interest in aiding Iran against the Arab Iraq. At the same time Iran Israel continued to exchange verbal aggression. The last actual military exchange between Iran and the US was the shooting down of an Iranian civilian airliner by the US militarỵ.
The US at the moment is spending 100's of millions of dollars to fund insurgency groups within Iran to destablize Iran, so much for foreign influencẹ.

American rules should be that no Muslim country is safe if we are attacked with a WMD.

PMK

We fully agree on this statement.

What should be and what is are two different things. Here's the problem: In the last 20+ years I cannot remember any time when the US didn't go begging for approval from the Europeans every time something big has happened. I hope I'm wrong. I hope that the US would get a backbone and identify the enemy we face. But so far they haven't even identified our enemy. In the event of attack, I believe Washington would fall all over themselves trying to figure out who hit us. And then when they go begging for approval from Europe, they would have to have solid proof.

Iran is has not attacked a country in the last 280 years, a similar count of the US would be close to 100.

I like those statistics.

Clear facts on who started the war are usually never very clear. Iran did fight Iraq for 8 years in the recent past. I don't know exactly how it got started. Wars happen due to circumstances. Big wars are a cascading effect of several smaller events. For example: Israel attacks Iran because they do in fact take Ahmadinajab at his word to destroy them. And this could happen. Then the cascading effect could be more serious. But I don't think it would last long.

Spot on,

George Bush DID identify three enemies in his much-maligned "axis of evil" speech.

We went to Europe to drum up allies in 1990 because we weren't hit. It was one country invading another without any state of war existing already, as if we had invaded Canada or Mexico.
Bill Clinton treated every terrorist act like a crime scene. In every case it could be argued (whether or not it was true) that these were lone actors and no one else could be faulted for the deeds of some miscreants. No one wanted to follow the money because they were afraid of what it would lead to: Saudi Arabia.
We didn't invade Afghanistan until after the Taliban refused to surrender bin Laden. They made themselves state sponsors. Once they allied themselves with Osama they were done for, regardless of what role they played in 9/11.
WMD is similar to the Taliban situation, but only slightly. It requires state sponsorship. Unlike the Taliban, this is premeditated. A state will provide the radioactive material for a dirty bomb. That is an act of war. The usual suspects, in this case, would be Iran, Pakistan, Russia and China. Russia and China simply are not suicidal. Call me crazy but I just don't see the Pakistanis doing this, either. That leaves Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, a charter member of the axis of evil and a nation whose leaders have time and again promised destruction on a grand scale.
If President Obama decides he needs proof after such an attack then we are sunk as a nation.

Iran is stupid like a fox alright. Just them testing missiles today spiked the oil price, and gee, who would benefit from that I wonder?? Their economy is terrible, and a nice high price for a barrel of oil will help out.

Anyone reading this ..., have you ever played those Avalon Hill war games? Cardboard war games that re-enact the battles at Gettysburg, D-Day, 1914, Guadalcanal, Midway, Stalingrad and my favorite, Battle of the Bulge. The games teach alot of things to a young mind, ... things like brute force, or blitzkrieg ..., other things too ...

Obviously like Saddams generals of past who probably if they simply voiced concerns about losing a battle Saddam had such generals killed, the Iranians have no concept of modern warfare. Sure, Israel or the US or whoever goes at Iran may get a bloody nose, but the Iranian generals must realize they are not going to win the fight. Either their generals are not trained to understand modern warfare, or if they are then they're really very literally foolish people. The brains in that part of the world are weird no matter which way you look at them, if they don't realize they won't be victorious with any military confrontation with US.

So it goes ...

"The brains in that part of the world are weird no matter which way you look at them, if they don't realize they won't be victorious with any military confrontation with US."
-posted above

It depends on the meaning of "victorious". They see victory as anything that gives us a bloody nose. Their lives mean little to them. They take a longer view. Every day they wake up to fight again is a victory for them.
Saddam's army melted away but we were not victorious. The same will likely be true in Iran. As much as they rail against occupation, they probably like having Western targets right in the neighborhood. They can set up their bombs and IEDs and go home for lunch.

Iraqi citizenry were not perceived as targets.

The Iranian populace did vote the mullahs into office. Iranian citizens are just as culpable as their leaders and will be targeted too. They should be considered as culpable as their leaders for doing whatever to cause military action. Our first strikes should be with this thought in mind.

McCain should state this fact to the Iranian populace. Doing so may turn the tide, and prevent conflict. If not, then they did know the consequences and they went down with the captain and the ship.

I just did a bit of googling to try to work out whether there's any significance in Iran's calling their missile a 'shahab'.

Shahab seems to be a personal name (male), derived from the Arabic word for 'meteor'. I couldn't find out if it has any specific historical or mythical reference.

Does anyone know anything more? Was there any significant person called 'Shahab' in the history of Muslim Persia?

I think there will be an Israeli raid btween the election and the inauguration

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Posted by: Freedom1776

I've been saying the same thing to my friends that this will happen if Obama is elected president. With McCain the Israelis can afford to wait and see if he might even be talked into helping them.

But if "H"ussein gets the White House, it's ON.

What I don't get is that the news has just dropped off the radar. No news channels are reporting it anymore. Strange.

So many many things they do not report... Like the fact that HUSSEIN Obama is EMBARRASSED that Americans don't speak multiple languages.

I guess that statement offended the rev. Jackson who barely speaks intelligible English out of whatever side of his mouth he can.. so he made his ill-timed remark about Obama in justified anger..

LOL

--"Shahab seems to be a personal name (male), derived from the Arabic word for 'meteor'. I couldn't find out if it has any specific historical or mythical reference."

"Meteor" is a meaningful enough reference, both in the sense of devestation falling from on high (the missle is also nicknamed "earthquake") and that other meteor that comes to mind, the one in in Mecca.

If President Obama decides he needs proof after such an attack then we are sunk as a nation.

PMK

Your points are well taken and we cannot predict the future. It also concerns me greatly that large amounts of money come from foreign governments to our Washington lobbying and PR firms. In my view, this can distort critical decisions by our government.

As it stands, I think Israel will probably attack Iran because Iran will not give up their nuke ambitions. Israel is the only country in the neighborhood that currently has nukes. Their neighbors all have an irrational hatred of Jews. So Israel considers it totally unsafe for their neighbors, who repeatedly state that they want to eliminate Israel, to possess nuclear weapons.

If Israel does attack Iran, we may see disruptions in oil supply and we may become fair game for conventional weapon attacks. But beyond that, we should lose our vulnerability to WMD attack from Iran for some time.

Where we may disagree, is that I see many muslim countries as irrational. It is impossible to predict what an irrational country will do.