We're all used by now to "radical" Imams instructing the Muslim youth to strap on some dynamite, detonate, kill infidels, and enter paradise--as this Imam told British Muslims, or as "superstar" Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi told millions of al-Jazeera viewers--and well demonstrated by polls that show that a considerable number of young Muslims think suicide bombings are justifiable. But many have insisted that suicide bombings were a recent phenomenon. According to some Pakistani ulema, however, suicide bombings in the name of Islam and shahada (martyrdom) go back to the 1965 war with India. "Suicide bombing and Islam," by Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd) for the Pak Tribune, July 23:
Though most Ulema condemn suicide bombing as unIslamic, yet a few offer bizarre justifications for it. A few days back a so called aalim was heard over the TV saying that during 65 war Ayub Khan had ordered his soldiers to lay in front of the 500 Indian tanks advancing on Lahore with anti tank mines tied to their chests as there was no other way of stopping them. About three days ago yet another religious authority said on the TV that Pak army soldiers lay in front of 600 Indian tanks in Chowinda sector with mines on their chest and embraced Shahadat. These gentlemen who did not have the foggiest idea of a tank battle or knew as to where the Indian tanks were – Lahore or Chowinda - were narrating such concocted stories simply to justify the suicide bombing in Islam.
1965??? Clearly, this information is WRONG! The Zionist Entity did not exist until two years later. Must be a typo.
Crusaders in the 11th century reported Islamic suicides committed on command. A famous Arab demonstrated to the Crusaders that he could tell his men to jump from a cliff to their death and then he gave the Crusaders a (sample)demonstration.
I seem to remember a hadith talking about a Muslim throwing himself into the thick of fighting lashing out with no defence to be a martyr.
In analyzing the defeat of the Byzantium army guarding the Holy Land I can only come to the conclusion that these were either garrison level troops or troops that had survived many battles, when the Muslims attacked using a sand storm for cover with no care for their own safety they fell into a rout. Now imagine if your a line soldier and a man attacks you with no care for self-preservation, how easy is it to hold that line in that day and age.
As far as I can see suicide attacks were there from the start of Islam, it is the desire to further the religion of Islam secure in the thought that if you die that you will be rewarded in heaven. Suicide attacks have always been there in Islam...
Weren't the first Islamic suicide attacks carried out by the Hashashin? Isn't that where the word "assassin" comes from?
Or have I got it all wrong?
"1965??? Clearly, this information is WRONG! The Zionist Entity did not exist until two years later."
The State of Israel was founded in 1948.
That's probably why they recently celebrated their 60th Anniversary.
1967 is the date of the 6 day war with the Arabs.
Daffersd
"I seem to remember a hadith talking about a Muslim throwing himself into the thick of fighting lashing out with no defence to be a martyr."
That Islamic concept of plunging into battle and into certain death in order to kill as many of the enemy as possible is called "inghimass". See my comment from the thread about Chad Muslims.
The Virgins That Await Every Good Suicide Bomber...
The Virgins That Await Every Good Suicide Bomber...
Enjoy em lads!
Seems to me that the article is saying quite the opposite -- that the stories from 1965 were baloney to begin with, and that the people repeating (if not inventing) those stories today are ignorant propagandists, simply trying to justify suicide bombings.
The article argues that the stories are as absurd as they are unlikely, because:
a) It's pretty close to impossible to order soldiers to kill themselves in that way (which I don't believe), and
b) If you can get close enough to a tank to lie down in its path (which the author claims is pretty doable), then you're close enough to throw a mine under it and scoot for cover. There's no need to get yourself squashed. And shoot-and-scoot is more the way real soldiers act in battle.
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Which brings me to why I think that mohammedanism in general, or at least as it is understood and practiced by the jihaddis, is actually a death cult.
Why suicide bombing at all?
Why isn't shoot-and-scoot the baseline tactic of the assassins ?!?!?!
Sure they might get caught. But is that really worse than dying?
No. They actively seek death because they are a death cult. They seek death even where they might kill the people they hate and still survive themselves.
They seek death as an end in itself.
For which reason jihaddis, and all who sympathize with, support or even tolerate them must be viewed and treated with extreme prejudice.
Oh yeah, it's the virgins...
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2007/01/29/070129sh_shouts_martin
Oooops! Thanks for correcting my mind slip Rab.
Oooops! Thanks for correcting my mind slip Rab.
DenverRodeo, thanks for that, I was unaware that they had a name for it, thanks for that, information stored in head and on PC. This is what I was getting at with my comment:
Sheik al-Qardawi [on Al Jazeera television in 2005 as reported by Walid Phares] went as far as linking today's suicide bombing to what he called "inghimass" (to throw oneself against the enemy). According to him, this has been permitted by religious teaching since the early days of Islam.
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/007583.php
Yes perfect ammunition to used against those hiding the truth. Thanks once again for furthering my knowledge.
And the Assassin cultists, Iranian and Arab, perpetrated suicide terrorist attacks 800 years ago. Who eradicated this cult? The Mongols, acting with total brutality and without any mercy or compromise. Takiyya did not work with Hulegu. This is the only way that works with the jihadists.
Russlan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.