Watch this space for updates. "Bulldozer driver shot dead after going on rampage in capital," from the Jerusalem Post, July 2:
At least four people were killed and 44 were wounded - one seriously, one moderately and 42 lightly - on Wednesday afternoon when a bulldozer driver went on a rampage in downtown Jerusalem.
Police said that the driver plowed his vehicle into two public buses, toppling them over, and slammed into several cars.
A off-duty soldier took the gun from an elite policeman at the scene and shot the terrorist dead. The soldier, Moshe Klessner, 18, is the brother-in-law of IDF officer David Shapira, who killed the terrorist in the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva attack, Channel 2 reported.
Klessner was assisted in neutralizing the attacker by another elite policeman.
Another elite policeman was lightly wounded, apparently by gunfire, indicating that the terrorist was armed.
Police said the incident was definitely a terror attack, emphasizing that the terrorist, Jabr Duwait, a 32-year-old father of two from Jebl Mukaber, was carrying an Israeli identity card. The Mercaz Harav attacker was from the very same east Jerusalem town....
UPDATE: The Jerusalem Post now reports 3 killed, and 57 injured.
Behold the peace of Islam. (and the need to keep the fence).
Another fine example of the religion of peace that produces such lunatic and bizarre behavior. This behavior of course is as a result of inculcation of the sick and violent Koran and Islamic doctrine. Muslims will not find this offensive because this is normal behavior in their paradigm of the world--the Islamic world--how disgusting.
Errata Sheet:
For "as Palestinian goes on rampage with bulldozer"
Read "as 'Palestinian' Arab goes on rampage with bulldozer"
Kol hakavod, Moshe Klessner.
I wonder how many more 'incidents' like this we are going to see around the world? We Gentile kafir should be keeping a close and neighbourly eye on our Jewish neighbours, wherever we are; we're ALL targets of the Jihad, but the Jews are copping it first; let's look out for them, and try to watch their backs.
I wonder, if we were able to 'listen in' on mosque sermons this Friday, not only in Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria, or in Gaza, or Egypt, or Syria, or Iran, but in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA, UK and Europe, just how many imams and sheikhs we would hear exhorting their fellow Muslims to go out and attack the Jews wherever they could find them?
After all, in January this year the Iranian media issued what one might call a summons for a second Kristallnacht: a call to all Muslims everywhere to attack 'Zionists' (i.e. JEWS) worldwide:
"In a January 26 2008 op-ed in the Iranian daily Kayhan, the paper's editor, Hossein Shariatmadari, who is close to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, called on Muslims to unite in a retaliatory attack on American, European, and Israeli "sensitive centers" because of "the war crimes that these countries are committing in the Gaza Strip" and because of their support for Israel.
"In his op-ed, Shar'iatmadari stressed that American and European civilians must be harmed in these attacks, so as to make the U.S. and the European countries change their policy towards Israel. He further called for harming Israelis [which also means, Jews] worldwide, and explained that Islamic regimes that prevent an Islamic attack on Israel must be toppled, because they are defending the enemy."
He said:
"But aren't most of the sensitive centers of the Zionists, of the Americans, and of some European states that support Israel already situated within the arms' reach of the Muslims? And aren't the Zionists {i.e. Jews} [vulnerable] and located within arms' reach of the Muslims at the four corners of the earth? What human and legal basis can prevent an attack on these centers and people? "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019723.php#comments
I think this bulldozer rampage in Jerusalem is part of exactly the same grand campaign as that stabbing attack on a rabbi in London, just recently.
I read the AP story on Yahoo! News as well. I found a few things disturbing in their coverage:
1) AP uses the same photo as JPost, but calls the baby a child in the caption.
2) I think this sentence is inaccurate or misleading. "Jerusalem's Arabs are not Israeli citizens but hold Israeli ID cards that allow them freedom of movement in the city and throughout Israel." Since Israel annexed East Jerusalem, don't the Arabs there have the option of becoming Israeli citizens? Most Arabs may decline for political reasons. You can't tell me that Jerusalem has no Arab Israeli citizens. Don't we always read about Arabs in Jerusalem applying for Israeli citizenship (or is it just requesting Israeli ID cards) or moving to other parts of Jerusalem whenever it looks like there might be a deal with the PA that would East Jerusalem under PA rule?
3) How does the Israeli police know so quickly that the man was acting alone and not part of a terrorist group? Is this a statement ordered by an Olmert government that won't let anything get in the way of its "peace processes?"
Everything becomes a weapon in the hands of the soldiers of allah...
How's that again?
Yusuf Ali:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
I don't think we should be sending diplomats to the Middle East. I think we should be sending teams of psychiatrists. This is a diseased culture, a sick culture.
We are dealing here with people who are, not to put too fine a point on it, nuts. The Pali-Arabs, the Iranians, the Pakis, the Libyans: they are nuts, the great majority of them. Nuts.
sheik yermami wrote: "This is a diseased culture, a sick culture."
Absolutely right. However, their actions, like that of today's terrorist, are quite logical given their twisted, hateful and violent belief system, which, of course, comes straight out of the Koran, the Hadith and the Sira, Then this belief system is amplified in the mosques, schools and government-sponsored media.
If one thinks killing Jews (or Christians) is the only sure path to heaven and that God commanded all believers to fight until the whole submits to Islam, then one acts as this terrorist did today in Jerusalem.
Now 'heavy equipment jihad'...
I think sheik yer'mami above has it about right ...NUTS...
should have read "whole world submits"
Ironic that with latest recent terror attack, in Hartford, CT, USA there will be an upcoming Islamic conference. Off topic, yes, but ironic.
http://www.icna.org/icna/index.php
That conference is going to be on the weekend of Independence Day weekend.
At least Isreal has a wall. The USA does not have a fence!
Its 4 killed if you include the terrorist.
East Jerusalem resident, presumably employed, his father dismayed, not enthused by having a "maryr" in the family--if the Police are correct, this sounds like a case of Sudden Jihad Syndrome. The Muslim Arab population is prone to free-lance jihad, if not collectively organized terror, after all.
It didn't have to be a bulldozer. It could have been a bus, or a taxi. It didn't have to be in Jerusalem. It could have been in London, or Paris, or New York. This problem will not go away. And it will not be solved by giving in, here and there, to Muslim demands. The "problem" indeed, cannot be "solved" but can be made less of a problem, by limiting the numbers of Muslims living in Infidel lands, and severelly limiting their ability to cause damage, by having access to machines and, furthermore, by making clear that every such act will lead, in the end, to a kind of retaliation that will undo whatever slow gains Muslims think they may have made in the Western world, and they may find that if they cannot control themselves or their fellow Muslims, it is the collective -- as in any war -- that will be made to pay, just as non-Nazi Germans and non-militarist Japanese must have been among those in Hamburg and Berlin, in Tokyo and Hiroshima, who had bombs rained down upon them.
We in the Western world are not obligated to turn our countries into armed camps, or to spend tens or hundreds of billions of dollars to monitor Muslim populations. We don't need to endure this kind of act, or the constant threat of this kind of thing coming, in some cases, from Muslims who never before gave any sign of being so murderous, but who, for whatever reason, decided to act on the texts of Islam in this manner. We have many things to worry about, including a possible point of no-return in global warming, and all that would come with it. We have all kinds of problems to worry about. We in the advanced nations do not need to spend trillions, in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan, buying off, or trying to, in the sentimental messianism of bringing "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads" (who "just happen to be Muslim"), or in the naive, schoolgirl machiavellianism that characterizes the continued lavishing of billions on the permanently meretricious -- because Muslim -- states of Pakistan, or Egypt, or those "no-one-here-but-us-accountants" of the "Palestinian Authority," who are simply the PLO dressed up with no place to go, the shock troops of the Lesser Jihad against Israel.
No, we don't. And more and more Infidels will discover that deterrence will work. But deterrence doesn't just work with states. It works with people who, carrying undeclared in their mental baggage doctrines that mean for you, the Infidel, all kinds of murderous trouble, can be deterred if they are fearful of the consequences.
Let them be fearful. Let them wonder if the Western world, if the world of Infidles, intends to endure uncomplainingly the way in which their presence, in for example the countries of Western Europe, has created, not only for the indigenous Infidels, but also for other, but non-Muslmi, immigrants, a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive (the expense of monitoring that population, the expense of checking its incessant attempts, legal and otherwise, of transforming our legal and political instiutitons to conform with Muslim demands, Muslim desires), and -- as the monitory example of Israel shows -- physically dangerous, than it would be without such a large-scale Muslim presence.
In Europe, even those who, out of fear, or want of imagination, can't bring themselves to think rationally about counter-measures to be taken, who think "nothing can be done" or wail "but what at this point can we do?" could not possibly disagree with that assessment: they now, in Great Britain and in France, and everywhere else in Western Europe, because of the large-scale presence of Muslims, there is greater unpleasantness, expense, and physical danger, for Infidels everywhere. That cannot be disputed.
Hugh,
This is why we NEED websites such as JW/DW to get the word out about the dangers of Islamofacism.
From the JP article:
A car was dragged several meters by the bulldozer before being crushed under the vehicle. The parents of a baby being treated in Sha'arei Tzedek Hospital have yet to be tracked down, and it is believed that the baby was thrown out of the car by one of his parents before the vehicle was crushed.
Evil! How many times do we hear of a child having it's skull crushed by a gun butt or being shot in it's infant seat by these creatures?
Here is the source of their evil.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm
We are dealing here with people who are, not to put too fine a point on it, nuts. The Pali-Arabs, the Iranians, the Pakis, the Libyans: they are nuts, the great majority of them. Nuts.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
That's what comes from beating one's head against the floor several times a day in "prayer". They have literally beaten their brains in, like punch-drunk prizefighters. It might be interesting to compare MRI scans of the brains of Moslems and "non-believers".
Sounds like lawful Quranic warfare to me. Individual Jihad is sanctionable under Sharia, and this guy is simply doing what most Arab Muslims who understand continuous psychological and political warfare must do, which is 1) Heart War- To hate all non-Muslims with all their hearts, 2) Speech War- For all those Muslims who are adept at the pen to spread their Holy Rage, and 3) Individual Jihad- Muslims must strike fear in the infidel all over the world until they feel themselves subdued.
That's it. That's the way it will always be. There is no compromise. There is no change. That's the reality we must accept, and then take measures to stop/avoid.
Unfortunately, it's a political reality that no politican who matters, it seems, will EVER be willing to make. What a shame for us.
One more thing....
what if the Israeli's had no access to guns? How many more would have died?
If you support gun bans, think about that for a while.
Expect the idiot parents of Rachel Corrie to protest the sale of that bulldozer to Isreal..........not.
limiting their ability to cause damage
&
undo whatever slow gains Muslims think they may have made in the Western world
Perhaps this news provides a small step in the right direction:
From the last Jerusalem Post update:
"Finally, an off-duty soldier took a gun from a citizen at the scene and shot the terrorist, who cried "Allah Akhbar" (God is great) before being killed."
And German media still claim "the reason for the attack is unclear".
Hint: It's in the koran.
"Evil! How many times do we hear of a child having it's skull crushed by a gun butt or being shot in it's infant seat by these creatures?"
...from posting above
Think of Beslan. Little girls raped and children shot in the back as they tried to flee. Much as I despise Putin, at least his secret police are now on a campaign to dispatch these animals wherever they hide. Maybe if the U.S. hadn't armed bin laden, Putin wouldn't feel compelled to arm the mullahs now, but there's nothing to say those SA20's need to actually work, is there?
Raw footage of the driver being taken out by security forces.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=762_1215003641
More Muslims trying to get to heaven.
Jabr Duwait will be duly remembered at the Rachel Corrie Memorial Pancake Breakfast.
A sick new twist--Sudden 'Dozer Jihad.
It's odd--so much was made of the Rachel Corrie case, although Israel always does everything they can to clear an area before razing buildings. Rachel Corrie, of course, deliberately ignored warnings to clear out, and yet many people acted as though Israelis were deliberately mowing people down with bulldozers.
Well, here you have the real thing, and it certainly wasn't a zionist at the controls.
interestinconundrum wrote:
From the JP article:
A car was dragged several meters by the bulldozer before being crushed under the vehicle. The parents of a baby being treated in Sha'arei Tzedek Hospital have yet to be tracked down, and it is believed that the baby was thrown out of the car by one of his parents before the vehicle was crushed.
....................................
My God--how desperate to realize that the best hope for you baby's survival is to throw her out of a car! I will pray for this child's parents.
And how much worse would things have been if not for the quick actions of young off-duty soldier Moshe Klessner? It looks as though heroism runs in the family, since his brother-in-law killed the terrorist in the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva attack.
I wonder whether kaffirs outside Israel would be able to respond so decisively to a similar attack? I rather doubt it. In The San Francisco SUV Sudden Jihad case, Omeed Aziz Popal, after running victims down with his SUV, deliberately returned to the same locations to try to hit people coming to their aid. Bystanders said that it was this that shocked them most of all, and most indicated that Popal's actions were premeditated.
We don't have a lot of information yet, but a few things seem likely--Jabr Duwait, at 32, was no "kid" who thought jihad would be exciting. As a father of two, he had a family, often considered a stabalizing influence. He was either an Israeli citizen, or had the equilance of a "green card", and he had a good job as a heavy-equipment operator.
None of these things--in the face of conventional wisdom--prevented him from committing violent jihad.
Worth noting, news of this attack (where AOL/Time-Warner news outlets put the word "terrorist" in quotes!) comes on the 15th anniversary of the The Sivas Massacre... Anyone else remember that one?
"Let them wonder if the Western world, if the world of Infidles, intends to endure uncomplainingly...."
by Hugh
As long as Western countries continue to allow more of them in, whether as immigrants, refugees, students or tourists, they won't have to wonder. They'll know. We will "endure uncomplainingly".
From HonestReporting:
I don't think we should be sending diplomats to the Middle East. I think we should be sending teams of psychiatrists. This is a diseased culture, a sick culture.
by sheik yer'mami
And the culture will remain sick. The best psychiatrists in the world can't help people who don't want to be helped. No one can save people who don't want to be saved.
"AL QAEDA'S PLAN B
FAILURES PROMPT NEW IDEAS FOR TERROR FROM THE SHADOWS"
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/al_qaedas_plan_b_117936.htm?page=0
Some elite policeman! WTF?? Was his head up his ass? How did he become "elite"? He did not act, then proved his incompetence by being stripped of his weapon? Was he too busy rooting for the terrorist bulldozer driver?
Is he going to STAY an "elite" policeman? In Israel?? What origin and what faith was the "elite" policeman?
I would think the families of 3-4 dead and 44-57 wounded would like to know the answer to these questions.
Okay, I'm calming down. The Jerusalem Post article now reads:
...
Some security guard! WTF?? Was his head up his ass? ... What origin and what faith was the "security" guard?
Has anyone seen evidence of muslim "outrage" over these murders???
Anyone? Anyone?
Muslims are ok with murders. But they have expressed "outrage" over an advertisement that has a puppy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030798/Muslims-outraged-police-advert-featuring-cute-puppy-sitting-policemans-hat.html
One more time...Constant contact with Allah, The Quran, and Mohammad worship, create psychotic episodes in believers. The proof is overwhelming. Bulldozer jihad is just one of its symptomatic
manifestations. Israel has psychotic people living next door, and in its midst. The same psychosis is growing around the world. Prozac in the water supply wont help. Islam can't be stopped, but it can be contained and minimized. In order to do that, the sane people have to get rid of PC politicians, and take stiff measures against Islamic hegemony. Something that so far has not been done.
Bull dozer jihad is Islams response to appeasement.
The western politic needs more Geert Wilders, and less to none, of Barack Obama's, who will be Islams favorite appeaser. If they like G Bush, the killer of muslims, as a closet appeaser, and an out front spokesman for Islam, wait till Obama gets in...
Boy are they going to like him...some more psychotic behavior...
Errata Sheet For The Errata Sheet Posted Far Above:
For
"Errata Sheet
For "as Palestinian goes on rampage with bulldozer"
Read "as 'Palestinian' Arab goes on rampage with bulldozer""
Read
"Errata Sheet:
For"as Palestinian goes on rampage with bulldozer"
Read "as Arab goes on rampage with bulldozer"
The faith-based fate-based murderer turns out to have been what is called so trustingly in Israel an "Israeli Arab" in hopeful contradistinction to the "Palestinian Arabs" who, of course, consist of those more accurately described as Gazan Arabs and "West Bank" Arabs.
He was an Arab. A Muslim and an Arab.
arjun.sevak,
Great article. The greatest irony is that these people were arrested in Saudi Arabia and that al Qaeda is emulating Saudi Arabia in one important aspect: creating enclaves in "the wilderness" to facilitate the spread of Islam in the West. The Saudis have financed this for years and now they will be destroyed by their own creations.
The man performed a miracle. In one short paragraph he made me appreciate George W. Bush:
The only Western power still capable of resisting is the United States, he believes. But that, too, will change once President Bush is gone.
The only problem is this article will be received with the same disbelief as past threats were. Our leaders choose to believe that these people are just venting hot air, that they don't have the support of (peaceful?) Muslims around the world and that their threats and aims are so grandiose that they can just be discarded. No one believes they can bring them to fruition. We were warned for at least two decades that the US mainland would one day be hit by a huge terror attack. People brushed it off, saying that American Muslims were assimilated into the community and had no desire to destroy it.
One look at Europe is enough to realize that the US is nearing the brink. We have many people who are willing to fight to protect our liberty and heritage. But will that be enough? We need leaders who are of the same mindset. They're nowhere to be found.
John McCain doesn't meet the job requirements.
Just more proof that Islam is a mental disease. This murderer wouldn't have done what he did had he been a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist, an agnostic or an atheist. Truly oppressed people, like Tibetans, don't act this way, but yet Palestinian Arabs, who have principally themsleves to thank for their condition, are so steeped in self-pity and scapegoating, and so incapable of true compromise, that they have turned their entire society into a collectively murderous one. And the root cause of this is the Islamic faith, which daily is becoming more and more of a burden to the entire world.
arrjun.sevak: Thanks for the Amir Taheri article. It's chilling. Also, it helps confirm an argument I've made here many times at JW and that is that President Bush is not nearly as awful as many think he is. As the article indicated, the Islamic terrorist world thinks him their greatest foe. Of course, this will not dissuade innumerable Westerners from continuing to think Bush is an idiot and the real problem in the world. Oh brother.
And once again we see that these nutbars would rather destruct than construct. Using a bulldozer is the ultimate proof.
Of course, the NYT didn't include this in its article:
...he [the driver] yelled out "Allah Akhbar" [God is great] and stepped on the gas pedal
There should be no wall in Israel. There should be no fence in Israel. There should be no Arabs in Israel.
This was also left out of the NYT story. If it was "Palestinian" victims, it would have been in the first three paragraphs:
"Among his innocent victims is an infant, who was injured in the attack and taken to hospital. Eyewitnesses told police that the murdered mother saved her baby, by throwing the child out the car window, just before the bulldozer crushed her to death."
Check out this link for footage of the driver being shot, listen to the crowd cheer.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=145_1215010761
Of course, the NYT didn't include this in its article:
...he [the driver] yelled out "Allah Akhbar" [God is great] and stepped on the gas pedal
Posted by: 4infidels
They are probably just following the "diversity guidelines" as posted by their "Society of Professional Journalists" organization.
http://www.spj.org/divguidelines.asp
Accuracy in reporting is of no concern.
Cool Ghoul,
I read those "diversity guidelines" from the "Society of Professional Journalists" last week. They are more concerned with sensitivity toward the terrorists and their Islamic supporters than informing the public about serious issues.
Have you checked out the diversity blog on the SPJ website? That will really make you sick! The Arab blogger not only misleads and misinforms, he goes over the top in playing the victim.
Bravo Zulu, Mr. Klessner.
Anyone want to take bets that we'll soon find the following headlines:
-Palestinian killed in Jerusalem
-Israelis kill Arab crane driver.
-Four dead in Jerusalem Accident
So, if I read the article at face value I would conclude that the bulldozer driver suddenly went "nuts-o" and decided to murder people.
There is no reason whatsoever to believe that that he was either a terrorist, an islamic, or engaged in jihad.
As it stands, I don't believe the article the way it is written because it isn't true.
I believe the facts warrant further inquiry and I am willing to speculate that this was not merely a deranged criminal, but rather a muslim engaged in an act of islamic terrorism and murder.
So, is this a more accurate depiction of what actually happened, or do I exaggerate?
According to the times the Israelis said what?
Why is it that I do not believe this? I wonder what the Brits would say about the attack?
...and bush would say what?
...yet the islamics themselves would say ...
Hmmmm, wonder who I should believe? I think I believe Hamas.
Moshe Klessner is a true hero. Check out the video of his handiwork on the moslem bulldozer scum:
Moslem gets what's coming to him
As per the usual oxymoronic "devout muslim with no terrorist ties", their ain't no such thing, since the pedophile 'prophet' was both a practicing and preaching (koran 8.60) terrorist.
And German media still claim "the reason for the attack is unclear".
Hint: It's in the koran.
Posted by: buraq_is_dead
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Are you referring to the article in "Die Welt"?
Everytime I post something - under the name of SERKELOZY - it gets erased. They are only alowing pro-palli comments. Please flood them with YOUR comments!
Feel free to write in English. May take longer for the censors to figure out what you are writing that way :-)
Hell.. if you can write in Hebrew.. then write in Hebrew!
http://www.welt.de/politik/article2171094/Mutter_rettet_Baby_vor_Attentaeter_und_stirbt.html#article_comment
@Ummah Gummah
Yes I was refering to "Die Welt". And if you are posting as "SERKELOZY" I saw you go wild - and prolong your name if it was you - in order to beat the censors today. :-)
And you did it and were totally right!
Madzionist...Looks like there were a number of armed people trying to get a shot at him. Jumping up there with him was a heroic act. I bet the hero did not get up in the morning thinking that today he would be a hero. Hero's usually don't. The movie 'The Hero', with Dustin Hoffman, illustrates something about hero's, they always respond, and they always disregard the danger, and they usually shrug off credit. Most of the time, they win, this was one of those times. Klessner deserves an award. If the world wont do it, we have done it here...
By 'WE', I mean yourself, I, and those who might agree. I'm not speaking for the management...
Thanks, duh-swami. We have so precious few among us who think clearly, that it's always refreshing to know that we are not alone.
Klessner is only an 18 yo kid, pretty impressive for a teen, and his brother-in-law is the one who killed the Yeshiva terrorist a few months ago. I solute them.
I still believe calling them insane is not helpful. It's easy, but not helpful.
Lee Harris writes in The Suicide of Reason:
"... the rational actor cannot exist unless his whole society has managed somehow to escape the laws of the jungle; hence, the rational actor must recognize that if he is to remain a rational actor, he must be willing to defend at all cost the traditions and institutions of the society that permits him this option. If he is deluded into believing that all men are rational actors by nature, then he will be clueless when confronted with the tribal actor, whose conduct and behavior will make no sense to him. Worse, because the rational actor will be tempted to dismiss the tribal actor as behaving irrationally, the rational actor will fail to see that it is the tribal actor, and not himself, who is acting rationally in terms of the universal struggle for survival and supremacy."
They are not crazy.
"A off-duty soldier took the gun from an elite policeman at the scene and shot the terrorist dead."
Sweeeeeeeet. Man, the Jews are awesome!
My relatives escaped Nazi Germany. That Nazi ideology is exactly the same as the Islamic ideology, only this time the doctrine hides beneath the cloak of a 'religion' and therefore is untouchable. Makes me furious!
I will simply never, ever understand what it is about the Jews that makes these idiots want to kill them... just because they are Jewish? What was it about the Jews that made mohammed start this rage 1400 years ago and have it not only continue through people like Hitler, but to grow and expand to include non-Jews? I took my son to a Jewish Temple for a Bar Mitzvah and all I heard taught was peace and blessings upon all. We're not Jewish but we were welcomed with open arms and were fascinated with the service. Why would islamists hate these people? I will never understand.
Lord, have mercy. If my religion commanded me to kill, I'd leave. But.. you can't leave islam without the threat of death.
Man...
I will simply never, ever understand what it is about the Jews that makes these idiots want to kill them...
The Jews refused to become Muslims. That was their cardinal sin. They were also well off, so they were a good target for plunder. In an effort to woo them, Mohammed emphasized their similarities and adopted the Yom Kippur fast, the day of atonement, turning toward Jerusalem to pray, increasing the number of prayers from two to three and even adopting Jewish dietary restrictions that forbade the eating of pork. The Jews not only refused Islam, they began to criticize it, pointing out the gaps and inconsistencies in the Koran and how it got Old Testament stories wrong. Suddenly, Mohammed's revelations painted the Jews as persecutors of past prophets. Next thing you know, new revelations made Friday the holy day, Mecca the direction for prayer, and the muezzin and Minaret, as opposed to trumpets and bells, the means to call Muslims to prayer.
Muslims hate Jews because Jews aren't Muslims and Jews rejected Islam.
My friends. The moment I saw this news item pop up here, I hopped across to JPost online, and inserted some clarifying remarks into the talkbacks to the initial coverage.
I suggest that every person here who is in agreement with, for example, Our Hugh's reading of the perpetrator, and of the situation, should post a comment giving things in this story their right names - e.g. pointing out that instead of 'palestinian' the correct terminology is "'palestinian' Arab Muslim', or, 'local Arab Muslim', and that for 'terrorist' one should read 'jihadi' or 'jihadi terrorist'.
Hugh's further point - that although this thing happened in Jerusalem yesterday, next time it might be happening anywhere else in the Lands of the Kafir, with Jewish (diaspora), or Buddhist, or Sikh, or Hindu, or animist, or Taoist, or Christian victims - should also be made. (It's really no different, for example, from that dreadful Muslim mob assault on a peaceful Coptic monastery in Egypt, that happened in June).
Similar points can be made in Letters to the Editor, first of all to Jerusalem Post and other Jewish news media and blogs; then to any of our own media that have covered it.
Time to get the term "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" (or an equivalent in, for example, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, French, Hebrew, Russian) into the language.
Shoutout to Israeli Jewish lurkers and posters: you are in our thoughts and our prayers. 'Shy Guy' - you're in Jerusalem - are you and your family OK?
Final thought: on Australian national radio news, and also in the link that Ummah Gummah gave, the jihadi is described as having 'run amok'. The reporters using this term, of course, are unlikely to reflect on the linguistic and historical origin of the phrase - but it takes us right back to Islam.
Amok is a Malay term. *Now* I think I know *why* the Malay were prone to 'running amok', with a kris, killing people. Maybe the term 'Amok' is just the Malay word for Sudden Jihad Syndrome.
Anyone here know whether non-Muslim natives of Malaysia or Indonesia, ran 'amok' in the same way, or whether it's only the Muslims that did/ do it?
@buraq_is_dead
Yes all those Serkos were me.. all of them surely deleted by now. Makes me wonder whom they have working on their website too.
Notice all the moslems there posing as Germans?
I was trying the get them to "open up". If you know what I mean..
Here's one of the follow-up stories - it's heartbreaking, but it shows us, also, another Jewish hero, who ran toward, not away from, trouble, and was in the right place at the right time to save a precious baby's life:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1214726194375&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Jul 3, 2008 0:34 | Updated Jul 3, 2008 0:51
"Baby saved seconds before mother crushed".
"Jeremy Aronson ignored the danger of the approaching bulldozer on Wednesday afternoon to pluck a baby out of a car seat before the car was crushed with the mother, 33-year-old Batsheva Onterman, still inside.
"Just as I took the baby out, he {the jihad terrorist} reversed on top of the car. The baby is okay, but not the mother," Aronson told The Jerusalem Post quietly as he sat alone in the waiting room of Hadassah-University Hospital in Mount Scopus.
'Onterman, who was a kindergarten teacher at Ganei Homat Shmuel, initially had difficulty conceiving a child and had undergone two years of fertility treatments, friends told the Post at her funeral late Wednesday night in the Givat Shmuel cemetery.
"She was a unique person," said a parent of one of her students.
The director of her school in Har Homa, Ilan Kaminetsky, said they did yet know how to tell Onterman's students that she had died.
'He added that he believed Onterman had helped lift her baby out of the car to hand to a passerby.
"Aronson, 28, OF ENGLAND, who took the baby, was unhurt by the attack, other than a small cut on his right hand.
'He was on the scene from the very beginning, because he was walking to the Central Bus Station as the bulldozer tore through the street.
"I saw people running away, and I didn't understand why," he said. "Then I saw the bulldozer driving into people, driving into cars. I didn't understand what was happening. I didn't understand it was a suicide [terror attack]."
'Despite Aronson's initial confusion, he was able to act quickly. He taped the terrorist {JIHADI} attack and ensuing car crashes on his cellphone, which was later taken as evidence by the police.
"I saw the tractor going on top of the cars, and I saw the police trying to kill [the terrorist]," Aronson said.
"The shooting didn't get him, so he kept driving on top of the cars" - including the vehicle with Onterman and her baby, Efrat.
'The car, a white station wagon, could be seen strewn in pieces on Jaffa Road, with diapers and baby toys falling out of its broken side.'
A body bag, presumably containing Onterman's corpse, sat near the car as emergency crews went on to assist other wounded in the area {note: this must be a description of initial news footage, since we have already been told about Onterman's funeral, above}.
'Efrat was taken by rescue crews and transferred to Shaare Zedek Hospital. She was later given to her father Ido.'"
"Of course, the NYT didn't include this in its article:
...he [the driver] yelled out "Allah Akhbar" [God is great] and stepped on the gas pedal
Posted by: 4infidels "
...SO too, did the Muslim hijackers who flew the planes into the twin towers...you can hear them saying it on the audio tapes from the flight recorders...
duh-swami
you might be interested in this article:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1214726194005&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Note what the eyewitness says, about 2/3 of the way down:
"Another eyewitness, whose shop is across the street from the new Israel Broadcasting Authority building, said he came out to see what was causing the commotion and saw a bulldozer barrelling down the street.
"I couldn't believe it," the man said, looking at the ground. "I saw his face, it's impossible to imagine what he looked like. He had the look of murder in his eyes."
HE HAD THE LOOK OF MURDER IN HIS EYES.
I will simply never, ever understand what it is about the Jews that makes these idiots want to kill them... just because they are Jewish? What was it about the Jews that made mohammed start this rage 1400 years ago...
The actions of Muslims make complete sense after there is a clear understanding of the life of Mohammad. They often appear as idiots but in fact Muslims believe in Allah and attempt to carry out Mohammad's commands. It is just that simple. I strongly suggest anyone read Robert's book "The Truth About Mohammad". This book should be required reading in every school.
More on the demeanour of the jihadi bulldozer driver, as described in this story (scroll down to find):
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1214726188187&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"Initially, it was suggested that the driver, soon identified as an east Jerusalem resident employed by a local construction firm, might have lost control of his vehicle and accidentally caused the bloodshed and chaos.
"But Yoni Ben-Menachem, the Israeli Radio chief who was in his car when the tractor sped toward him, quickly laid that theory to rest, recounting that he had made eye contact with the driver, who was calm, focused and knew exactly what he was doing.
"Ben-Menachem swerved onto the sidewalk to safety."
Think about that. 'Calm, focused and knew exactly what he was doing'.
That doesn't necessarily contradict the other witness's impression, to which I drew attention in a previous posting:
"I saw his face, it's impossible to imagine what he looked like. He had the look of murder in his eyes."
Not a raging 'hot' maniac, but the worst kind: the kind that kills coldly, dispassionately, with complete contempt for their victims, whom they do not regard as human, but as things.
I'm reminded of that other story, it was posted here long long ago, about the immigration official who interviewed someone who would have been on Flight 93...had not that immigration official gotten really bad vibes from the interview and not let him in; I think he said afterwards, that the interviewee felt like an assassin.
Also, if I recall correctly, a number of Sudden Jihad Syndrome cases have also carried out their destructive activities, with a kind of icy detachment.
Dumblesmorearmy posted, "In a January 26 2008 op-ed in the Iranian daily Kayhan, the paper's editor, Hossein Shariatmadari, who is close to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, called on Muslims to unite in a retaliatory attack on American, European, and Israeli "sensitive centers" because of "the war crimes that these countries are committing in the Gaza Strip" and because of their support for Israel.
"In his op-ed, Shar'iatmadari stressed that American and European civilians must be harmed in these attacks, so as to make the U.S. and the European countries change their policy towards Israel. He further called for harming Israelis [which also means, Jews] worldwide, and explained that Islamic regimes that prevent an Islamic attack on Israel must be toppled, because they are defending the enemy."
He said:
"But aren't most of the sensitive centers of the Zionists, of the Americans, and of some European states that support Israel already situated within the arms' reach of the Muslims? And aren't the Zionists {i.e. Jews} [vulnerable] and located within arms' reach of the Muslims at the four corners of the earth? What human and legal basis can prevent an attack on these centers and people? "
WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT. THANK YOU DUMBLESMORESARMY FOR POSTING THAT HERE, WHERE IT WILL BE READ BY YOUR FELLOW CLEAR THINKING BLOGGERS WHO WILL OBVIOUSLY REPOST IT WHEN NECESSARY.GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!HAPPY 4TH TO ALL!
Dumblesmorearmy posted, "In a January 26 2008 op-ed in the Iranian daily Kayhan, the paper's editor, Hossein Shariatmadari, who is close to Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, called on Muslims to unite in a retaliatory attack on American, European, and Israeli "sensitive centers" because of "the war crimes that these countries are committing in the Gaza Strip" and because of their support for Israel.
"In his op-ed, Shar'iatmadari stressed that American and European civilians must be harmed in these attacks, so as to make the U.S. and the European countries change their policy towards Israel. He further called for harming Israelis [which also means, Jews] worldwide, and explained that Islamic regimes that prevent an Islamic attack on Israel must be toppled, because they are defending the enemy."
He said:
"But aren't most of the sensitive centers of the Zionists, of the Americans, and of some European states that support Israel already situated within the arms' reach of the Muslims? And aren't the Zionists {i.e. Jews} [vulnerable] and located within arms' reach of the Muslims at the four corners of the earth? What human and legal basis can prevent an attack on these centers and people? "
WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT. THANK YOU DUMBLESMORESARMY FOR POSTING THAT HERE, WHERE IT WILL BE READ BY YOUR FELLOW CLEAR THINKING BLOGGERS WHO WILL OBVIOUSLY REPOST IT WHEN NECESSARY.GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!HAPPY 4TH TO ALL!
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"Ironic that with latest recent terror attack, in Hartford, CT, USA there will be an upcoming Islamic conference. Off topic, yes, but ironic.
http://www.icna.org/icna/index.php"
Posted BY BIGCATGIRL
THE ISLAMIC ORGANIZATIONS HOLD THESE 'NATIONAL'CONFERENCES ON AMERICAN HOLIDAY WEEKENDS. THE ONE REFERENCED ABOVE,IN HARTFORD, THIS JULY 4th WEEKEND, IS THE"ISLAMIC CIRCLE OF NORTH AMERICA"
HERE YOU SEE "THE ISLAMIC SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA", WHO HAVE AN ANNUAL LABOR DAY WEEKEND CONVENTION IN ROSEMONT ILLINOIS...FROM GOOGLE SEARCH-"... for public diplomacy, spoke on September 2 at the Islamic Society of North America's (ISNA) annual Labor Day weekend convention in Rosemont, Illinois. ...
NOW, ONE MUST ASK ---WHY
HOLIDAY WEEKENDS?; AMERICAN HOLIDAY WEEKENDS! THE HOLIDAY MOOD PREVAILS, FAMILIES ARE DOING WHAT THEY DO, AND THESE CONFERENCES/CONVENTIONS ARE QUIETLY HAPPENING,O-U-T OF THE PUBLIC EYE EXCEPT FOR THEIR VENUES.
BEFORE BEING DEPORTED ,ABU MARZUK, THE SENIOR HAMAS MEMBER, WAS ,ACCORDING TO REPORTS, A PROMINENT FIGURE AT THESE EVENTS,AND A 'CAUSE CELEBRE' FOR THEM WHILE HE WAS IN CUSTODY .
THESE ARE CERTAINLY PRIME TIME OPPORTUNITIES FOR 'MISUNDERSTANDERS' TO 'MISUNDERSTAND' IN MANY WAYS.
Bastards! Not even a pity deserving for a pig I will give a Muslim!
God will surely bring hell fire on these violent people on Earth. Shame, they really are a shame under the "monotheistic" religions in this planet.
Barbarians!
This is from an AP report:
He is a murderer--no grievances, individual or collective, exonerate him--and a faith and creed that sanctions these crimes and proclaims them acts of "martyrdom" is a false one, a "Religion of Peace" for liars and murderers.The Devil, said a True Prophet, comes to steal, kill, and destroy; Satan is a liar and a murderer from the Beginning, and the Father of Lies. Those are of him who do his works; by their fruits you shall know them.
Thank you Arjun for the excellent article. So it is to be run like a mafia syndicate, threatening and extorting first the other mohametans, to make them conform, and then later everyone else. Just like in any run of the mill crapolastan where the good guys can't protect you so you had better conform. So also soon in Dearborn and Patterson. I, nabi ZK, do proclaim this to be a good business model. However it is no plan for world conquest.
nabi ZK
A profile in courage:
As far as what happened," Plesser continued: "I was bicycling from the center of town [westward] towards my home, when I saw a bulldozer battering a bus lying on its side and a lot of commotion. I immediately realized that it was a terrorist attack.
I threw the bicycle to the side, and I ran towards the scene, trying to get as close as I could to the bulldozer so that I could get on it and stop the driver. As I got closer I tried to somehow get a weapon. When the bulldozer stopped, a policeman climbed up, and I climbed up right behind him, screaming at him to shoot."
"Oron Ben-Shimon, with whom I was privileged to cooperate in stopping the terrorist, also climbed up, and he and the policeman tried to stop him with their hands. At first I could not shoot him, because the policeman stood in between us and the terrorist. The terrorist suddenly got up and started to drive again, screaming out Allahu Akbar, and Oron was able to turn the steering wheel so that the bulldozer wouldn't run over more cars.
Finally, I was able to grab Oron's gun and shoot over the heads of the policeman and Oron, three bullets to his head. Then a Yassam policeman got on and fired again to ascertain his death."
This was covered on Fox News--the attack actually happended on the main street right outside Fox's Jerusalem affiliate, and so several people filmed parts of the attack.
The bulldozer was *huge*, and it was impossible for anyone to get a clear shot from below. Moshe Klessner had to jump onto the wildly moving vehicle and lean right into the cab in order to shoot the jihadist and stop the rampage. An even braver act than I had at first realized.
The local reporter also said that Duwait's brother had been arrested. Perhaps he wasn't acting entirely alone after all. . .
'madzionist' - the account you posted was very interesting - which news source is it from?
dumbledoresarmy, here's the link:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126707
If an off-duty military man in the USA did here what the off-duty Israeli soldier did there, he would probably be arrested and placed on trial.
That whole Israel National News site is very interesting.