Muhammad said: "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."
However, he also said, "A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." He said to this woman, "You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the insects of the earth."
So the pet dog ban I can see, but I wonder if the cat ban is veering toward bid'a --the cardinal sin of innovation.
"Saudi religious police ban pet cats and dogs," from AFP, July 30 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Saudi Arabia's religious police have announced a ban on selling cats and dogs as pets, or walking them in public in the Saudi capital, because of men using them as a means of making passes at women, an official said on Wednesday.Othman al-Othman, head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice in Riyadh, known as the Muttawa, told the Saudi edition of al-Hayat daily that the commission has started enforcing an old religious edict.
He said the commission was implementing a decision taken a month ago by the acting governor of the capital, Prince Sattam bin Abdul Aziz, adding that it follows an old edict issued by the supreme council of Saudi scholars.
The reason behind reinforcing the edict now was a rising fashion among some men using pets in public "to make passes on women and disturb families," he said, without giving more details....
Ah. Well, can't have that.
Update from Marisol: There is this hadith that prohibits the sale of cats and dogs; of course, prohibiting the sale will cut down opportunities for ownership and accomplish the religious police' stated aims:
Abu Zubair said: I asked Jabir about the price of a dog and a cat; he said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) disapproved of that. - Sahih Muslim 10.3808
One word: yougottabekiddingme.
Rumor has it that dogs and cats seek a dialogue with the Saudi royalty to get past any misunderstandings and celebrate their shared interests in peace, tolerance and mutual respect.
Loving and caring for and feeding an innocent, adoring pet is so...so...HARAM!
but slitting their throats is so...so..HALAL!
Stupid rule made by, and for, stupid people.
Conclusion-belief in the Koran is belief in utter stupidity.
I take it that this applies to potbellied pigs as well--darn! And they're such great babe magnets, too!
Look on the bright side.. they may not keep pets but they do keep slaves.
Yea; and if they did keep pets, they'd be better cared for than their slaves... and their women for that matter.
The ancient Egyptians had no problem with pet animals as depicted in ancient drawings, statues, and even mummies.
Of course Islam did not exist during this time, but muslims reference frequently that they were Islamic. (no they were'nt).
Of course the ancient Egyptians also allowed women to be unveiled, to work, travel, and speak with men.
Which society was progressive?
There was a news story in the DC area recently about a Army soldier who was going to Saudi Arabia and taking his dog since he was going to be based there long term. Somehow the dog escaped in the custody of the airline. Now there is a big search for it near Dulles, VA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071702720.html?sub=AR
http://www.helpfindjeddah.com/news.php
I find this story very odd for several reasons. One, I did not think we had any soldiers based in SA any more. Second, I find it incredible he could have gotten a dog into SA in the first place.
Finally, no one seems to consider if the dog was "lost" intentionally by a Muslim or SA employee of the airline.
Anyone have an opinion on this one?
When my son was a teenager, I used to encourage him to take our yellow Lab for a walk because dogs are great chick magnets. It worked for him!
The muslim dislike, or fear, or hatred, or whatever it is they have against dogs is one of the least likeable things about them, in my opinion.
Look on the bright side.. they may not keep pets but they do keep slaves.
Posted by: Ummah Gummah
I wonder if they can take their slaves for a walk? Probably not; a woman walking her slaves could still be hit upon by passing men, as in:
man: "good morning, ma'am. What a pair of lovely creatures you have there. Somali pure-breeds, aren't they?"
woman: "Yes, they are."
man: "I thought so. Lovely animals, but they can be problems, you know. I used to have one, but it had to be put down."
woman: "Oh, dear. Problems? I didn't know. What sort of problems?"
man: "Let me buy you a coffee, and I'll tell you all about it."
....
Why anyone would listen to and follow after Muhammad the Moron is beyond me. Come on, the guy was completely out-of-his-mind, and only a fool would heed these stupid "directives" laid out by him.
The cats I've owned were cleaner than any of my kids ever were, and the worst thing our dog did as a puppy was pee & poo a couple of times inside the house before being fully potty trained. Big deal.
Pets (animals) enhance our lives, while Muhammad, the false prophet, does nothing but destroy our lives.
If I were Muslim, I would be ashamed to call Muhammad my prophet - ASHAMED - as he was a disgrace to humanity and to all that is good & holy.
Sure makes for a funny headline, though. LOL! No Cats or Dogs allowed inside, huh. My front door says, "False Prophets Are Not Welcome!"
well its said the killing of cats is one reason the black death was so bad in the west and considering most sow-dis live in conditions no westerner would tolerate le them ban cats maybe they will get a vist from the black death
It's been said before, you just can't make this stuff up. This is better than all the writers in Hollyweird and New York. Just a shame that those same writers don't have the cajones to write this stuff into their movies/tv shows/comedy acts. Guess I'll have to be content for now to get my islam based humor from the internet.
Come now Mo, time for a walkies. No, put the ball down. Too hot to play ball. Now where is that scooper and bag. Okay Mo, let's go girl.lol
"The reason behind reinforcing the edict now was a rising fashion among some men using pets in public "to make passes on women and disturb families," he said, without giving more details...."
C'mon, the details would give us a whole new opportunity for mockery.
We have the right to mock!
In Islam love knows no bounds. No pets certainly says a lot about what kind of impositions that places on human beings. A very total control, even mans "best friend" is out casted. Wow when they mean submission to this evil doctrine they really do mean total submission all independent thought choice etc dictated by the rules and limits of Islam. How sad.
From Muslim #5248 (hadith):
Maimuna reported that one morning Allah’s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah’s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah’s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah’s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens."
The "angel" of Allah was mortally offended by the presence of *a puppy*. To atone for this slight, Mohammed and his followeres went on a rampage, slaughtering all the dogs they could find, until at last some influential people objected. Then they decided that these few dogs could remain--as long as they were working dogs, and not loved as pets.
more wisdom from Mo:
"He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil."
Superstition in the guise of religious truth.
Here's the ban on selling pets:
From Bukhari Vol. 3, #482 (hadith):
Narrated Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari: "Allah's Apostle regarded illegal the price of a dog, the earnings of a prostitute, and the charges taken by a soothsayer."
Also, keeping a pet means a Muslim loses points from his good deeds--you know, like raising Zakat for munitions and waging Jihad.
From Bukhari Vol. 3, #515 (hadith):
"Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." (a "Qirat" is vaguely defined as a "mountain"--in other words, a whole heap)
The presence of dogs also annuls prayers:
From Bukhari Vol. 1, #490 (hadith):
"Narrated 'Aisha: "The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs."
Anyone who travels with a dog foregos the protection of Angels (hence the ban on seeing-eye dogs):
From Muslim, #5276 (hadith):
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Angels do not accompany the travelers who have with them a dog and a bell. (Muslims consider the bell an "instrument of Satan"--actually, of course, it was used by Christians).
"The Reliance of the Traveler" claims that dogs are "najis"--fundamentally impure, like feces, swine, and Infidels.
The Muslim Q&A site Albalgh answers a young Muslim’s question regarding keeping a dog as a pet:
Q.) I am a 15 year old Muslim American and my mother is buying a dog. I heard that if I touch the dog, I cannot pray. Is this true? What should I do?
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Similarly Allah Taãla created the dog from among His creation. This does not mean that we should love the dog. It is perhaps the indoctrination of the Western culture that 'The dog is Man's best Friend'. The theory that 'dogs are very dependent on Human affection' is a myth - again culture and custom has helped to develop this unnatural behavior.
Allah Taãla the Creator of this Universe - having created the dog would surely have known that the dog requires Human affection and love to exist in this world. Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) would have advised us to keep dogs as pets. On the contrary, we are instructed not to keep dogs as pets and 'love' them as exemplified by the non-Muslims. Remember our life is structured and bound by the Shariah i.e. The Noble Qurãn and the beautiful example of Rasulullah...
In the light of these Ahaadith and other narrations it is not permissible to keep dogs as pets. The household is deprived of the Mercy of Allah Taãla."
What a sad, ugly religion Islam is.
Gravenimage,
Thanks for that very good compilation of islamic horsesh$t. I liked the 'imam's' answer best:
Alright, everyone, repeat after me: C U L T!
OT: Anyone know the difference between Mo the Pedophile and Charles Manson?
1) Charely got caught.
2) Charley can only wish he was ol' Mo.
3) Mo was even sicker than Charley.
Back to topic: This whole notion that "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)" can only be the kind of pig crap that a brainwashed/brain dead muslim would believe in.
Owning a pet, especially a dog IMO, teaches one responsibility, patience, and how to care for something not human but still capable of returning love in return.
Believing in the koran does what?
-Teaches hatred for non-muslims?
-Demands the destruction of anything non-muslim?
-Relegates women (family members, even) to the class of property?
-All of the above?
Thanks, but I'll stick with dogs. They're even smart enough to know when they're being fed some big time BS.
while on the subject of dogs, here's a question: Have Moslems ever objected to the "sniffer dogs" at the customs areas of the international airports? I.e. the dogs used to sniff for drugs and prohibited agricultural products. Any demands that their luggage by inspected by hand, by humans?
Fear not, pet lovers. Once the Saudis find a way to kill infidels by crashing dogs into buildings and by throwing exploding cats at them the ban will be lifted because some holy will deem dogs and cats useful.
Alaskan, funny you should mention the Egyptians. It reminds me that, just this morning while reading something about early Greek philosophers (BC era, it occured to me that they knew the world before the scourge of Islam came into being.
I was jealous for a minute there.
Thank you for your comments, Boneshack.
By the way, I don't need to worry about any of those vicious Mohammedan "Angels" visiting my home. Okay, I don't have dogs, but I do have cats, and I also run a small feral kitty rescue.
Just this weekend I finished illustrating a book of poetry for very young children, featuring kittens, puppies, squirrels and bumble-bees. Since they will not "enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)" I think I'm pretty safe.
Once the Saudis find a way to kill infidels by crashing dogs into buildings and by throwing exploding cats at them the ban will be lifted because some holy will deem dogs and cats useful.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
Dogs and cats would also be useful in trying to control our saboteur squirrels, which are multiplying and spreading their havoc all over the Mideast. And in dealing with the remotely-guided rats that the Israelis are dumping in "Palestinian" areas, the ones with micro-chip implants in their brains, guided by remote control from a bunker in Tel Aviv.
"Let me buy you a coffee, and I'll tell you all about it."
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Posted by: ebonystone
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How many lashes are you willing to endure?
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Gravenimage,
I would agree. I don't have to worry about any evil "Shaitans" visiting my home overnight because of my classic print of Saint Augustine:
The Parable of the Holy Trinity and the Visit to the Monks of Mount Pisano
If the arch-angel Gabriel is afraid of dogs, he would surely be afraid this.
So the Saudi's are actually doing muslims a favor by removing a barrier to angelic visitations. How many angels visit muslim homes that don't have dogs or cats?
This just proves that some animals, in this case dogs and cats, are smarter than some people. How can a muslim maintain superiority when his dog is smarter than he is? Get rid of the competition. Cats are smarter than all of Islam, ban them before they take over. Stop cat and dog immigration to Islamic countries...If you don't they will begin to demand food and attention, and horrors, affection. The next thing you know they will want to sleep inside...
Feline and canine hegemony won't be tolerated in Saudi Arabia...
Yet again, Islam defines itself by negation: by its grim and sick rejection and blasphemous cursing of things that nearly all other belief-systems (except the tyrannies of Mao or Pol Pot) permit and enjoy.
We're an awful long way from St Francis, aren't we?
http://www.americancatholic.org/features/francis/stories.asp
Or from all the Celtic hermit saints with their wild beast friends - there was one, I think, who had sea-otters for pets.
There are even Christian churches, Catholic and Anglican, that conduct a ceremony of Blessing of the Beasts on the feast day of St Francis of Assisi (who is, of course, celebrated in legend for such things as taming a wild wolf). It can be farm animals as well as pets, in the country, or just pets, if the church is in the city.
A hilarious episode of the series 'The Vicar of Dibley' is devoted to the planning and carrying-out of such a ceremony - with everything from cows and horses to dogs, cats, pet mice and pet birds, escorted by their loving owners, converging on the church at the end.
Contrast *that* with the arid, bitter - and sexually obsessed to boot - world-view displayed by these Saudi 'religious police'.
(Has anyone here seen the film 'Chocolat'? There is an amusing scene in it that is probably the kind of thing these insane Saudi religious police are obsessing about. The scene involves an elderly gentleman and his equally elderly pet dog, and three little old ladies, one of whom the gentleman has been admiring from afar, in vain, for at least forty years.)
And now I have been reminded of Kieslowski's 'Three Colours' trilogy, and 'Red', the final film of the three, in which a girl's compassion for an injured female dog plays a decisive role in the plot.
Whereas, in Islam, a dog's passing by can nullify prayer, and angels (demons, methinks) are repelled by dogs, in Kieslowski's 'Red' the dog leads the heroine into a church during the Easter service.
An old German woman told me that her grandmother told her, 'you can't trust people who don't like dogs'...
But did not Mohammed have a cat for a pet? Just wondering.
gravenimage, thanks for the info on Gabriel and the dog in the house.
But how did Mo know it was really Gabriel speaking, and not Satan? Mo was fooled on another occasion, why not on this one?
This is probably the BEST news the pets of the world could have.
You know, if figures. Must not love an animal, but slitting it's throat is just fine. Sick, isn't it!
I am now more excited about having a dog in my house! It may repell some evil.
Boneshack, I enjoyed your link--Benozzo Gozzoli is a great renaissance artist--he did an especially wonderful fresco of the journey of the Magi. Perhaps more appropos, as so many posters here have mentioned St. Francis, here is Gozzoli's "St. Francis preaching to the birds" on the same site:
http://www.abcgallery.com/G/gozzoli/gozzoli20.html