Returning madrassa student: "Not one Jew died [on 9/11]. That is what they say."

Ms. Fair (of the RAND Corp) had the nerve to say:

"When you are out of school for that long, and you are not doing course material your peers are, it's difficult," said Fair, who met the Khan brothers in Karachi. "I don't think their father had ill intentions but what are the consequences?"

That these kids will be mentally scarred for life, if left under the influence of their father?

How long will it take for them to unlearn that muslims were, indeed, the perpetrators of September 11? Or that no Jews died as well on that day?

An appeal to these kids:

Please, Noor and Mahboob, indulge yourself all you want in the "Simpsons", "South Park", "American Dad", the United States Constitution, an unabridged anthology of American and Western history, and the Bible.

You have already tasted the hatred and ignorance of the Koran. Do you really want to live the rest of your lives like you've experienced in your "homeland"?

To quote the great Nancy Reagan: "Just Say No!"

Oops!

How long will it take for them to unlearn that muslims were, indeed, the perpetrators of September 11? Or that Jews were killed as well on that day?

"In Atlanta, the Khan brothers loved to watch "The Simpsons" and skateboard. They said in the film that their father grew angry with their habits and once threw the television out of the house. They said their father decided to send them to Pakistan after he discovered dust on their Quran, a sign they had failed to pick it up in a while."

That's a good one. The Simpsons might corrupt his sons, so Dad sends them to a Madrassa in Pakistan for moral training.

I think it's Dad that needs some moral training.

Muslims are the masters of propaganda, as they play by no rules.

Isn't it interesting and appalling that this pattern of denial of atrocities and mass murder continues in world history?
When I first heard of this it reminded me of how there are many who also deny the Holocaust never occurred, or they attempt to minimize it by playing with the numbers.
Some crimes are just so horrible that people would rather lie and deny they occurred than ever admit that they or their ancestors were capable of committing them. And when confronted with the evidence they simply claim that the evidence is fraud or was faked.

Whatever you may think of author Bernard-Henri Levy and his abstruse writing style in 'Who Killed Daniel Pearl?', one concrete clear-headed feet-on-the-ground conclusion comes through loud and clear: the madrassas of Pakistan that he visited in gathering material for his book scared him almost beyond words - which for a French philosopher is saying something very serious indeed.

Some crimes are just so horrible that people would rather lie and deny they occurred than ever admit that they or their ancestors were capable of committing them. And when confronted with the evidence they simply claim that the evidence is fraud or was faked.

by robertkjjj

Same goes for the US, like the killing of the majority of Native Americans, support for some of the most brutal dictators (like Suharto) of the 20th century etc.

Plus there are schools in the US that teach "Creationism".

Tell us, djal, what kind of troll are you? A stupid dhimmi or a Mahometan?

Oh goody...a troll...the nabified one springs into action. I, nabi ZK (peace be upon me), nabi to mohametan and also pseudo mohametan trolls declare that this troll is of the pseudo mohametan type. Additionally, TUDOR, I, nabi ZK (pbum), agree that this is one stupid dhimmi. A true mohametan would never pick a handle like djal, whereas a stupid dhimmi, esp. some kid who is like all mega death and metal and goth and stuff, for example, would think that a kewl handle. Trust me. Famous nabis like me can see right through these guys.

OK djal. This is for you now. You are the first darn troll that I, nabi ZK (pbum), did I mention that I am your nabi, have seen around here in ages. So the nabi will not make a real personal add homey attack or nothing. But you left out Hiroshima and like Grenada and like not signing up for Kyoto and stuff.

Your Pal

nabi ZK (pbum)

...there is only one ZK and nabi ZK is the messenger of ZK...believe it...

That's right I left out Hiroshima, even though it's probably more on the mind of Americans than other events. The point that struck me in robertkjjj's post was
"Isn't it interesting and appalling that this pattern of denial of atrocities and mass murder continues in world history?"
This applies as well to us Americans as to every other nation.
Furthermore, those kids were in a madrasa, a religious school. I don't think that a school whose curriculum is based on a religious framework (whichever religion that may be) can provide a good education, therefore the mention of creationism.
What's nabi meaning and what language is it?

the madrassas of Pakistan that he visited in gathering material for his book scared him almost beyond words - which for a French philosopher is saying something very serious indeed.

Posted by: MBR at July 12, 2008 2:20 AM

.. and the masjid referred to by Bernard-Henri Levy, is the masjid located in Bilori Town, the very town where these boys were taught. Also included in "Who Killed Daniel Pearl" is a striking chapter: "Bomb for Bin Ladin".
"Who Killed Daniel Pearl" is a must-read to know how deeply entrenched, US ally in the phony "war-on-terror", Islamic Republic of Pakistan is, in Internatioal Terror.

"Furthermore, those kids were in a madrasa, a religious school. I don't think that a school whose curriculum is based on a religious framework (whichever religion that may be) can provide a good education, therefore the mention of creationism.
What's nabi meaning and what language is it?

Posted by: djal"

Welcome to JihadWatch, djal. Please go through the "Why JihadWatch" for some basic information about what this site is all about. The sites below will also give you a lot of info. And then you will understand what nabi ZK (pbuh) means.

http://thereligionofpeace.com

http://historyofjihad.org

Thank you arjun. However i do not believe the nabi's excentricities are covered in the FAQ. Good place to look tho'

Your Friend

nabi ZK

arjun.sevak it will probably be too much for this djal to absorb. l am always perplexed by the hate America crowd when they always bring up the desctruction of the Native Americans. He does not know that most of their deaths when Europeans arrived,occured from diseases brought over with them. And some how signing the Kyoto treaty makes a country good, when most of the countries who have signed it are below their goals, which could never be attained while staying an industrial nation with growth. Western education although not evil by comparision to the Pak madrassas, just that ignorance allows Westerners to be duped by islamists and their appologists.

Not one madrassa student ever learned anything constructive, and that's what I say.

So what's yer point djal? That all nations engage in wars? I, nabi ZK (pbum), don't get it.

nabi ZK (aka the messenger of ZK)(accept no substitute)

Here is the trailer of this film:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=03Q_HeUg8w8

Apart from it being disturbing, I think it is possibly the first documentary evidence we have of the jihadist brainwashing process (which they deny but we know) that has been going on for years on an industrial scale.
It is interesting to me only that it shows a "before" and "after", the rest most of us here are well aware of.

I wonder if the brothers will start burning cars and rioting and calling for the death of the film maker - as they hate being exposed don't they?

Nobody teaches Creationism in the Schools over here. Don't ask me, nabi ZK (pbum), why the people believe in flying saucers.

nabi ZK

...i, nabi ZK, have perfected your ZK and chosen it for you...please take note of it...

Why should any effort have been made to bring them back to this country? For this country, and its non-Muslims, they spell permanent trouble. They can do far less in Pakistan. American officials should spend their time, rather, attempting to alleviate problems for non-Muslim Americans in countries dominated by Muslims, and in working with European allies to come up with plans to weaken the influence, power, and even presence, in the Infidel lands, of members of the Umma, of the Camp of Islam.

Their return is not a good thing. Their parents should have been encouraged, rather, to go off to Pakistan, where by all accounts they would best fit in -- if the father worried so much about discovering dust on the boys' Qur'an -- and live near their sons, and mark their madrasa progress. The parents can sport, on their car or cart (whichever they manage to acquire in Rawalpindi or Karachi or Islamabad or wherever it is), a bumper sticker: "There's no dust on my boys' Qur'an."

Or: "My child was honor student of the week at the Maududi Madrassa."

Or: Your Suggestion Here

Well Ken. That was certainly disturbing.

nabi ZK

Bumper Sticker: "My sons memorized the Qur'an, now I don't have to kill them."

My child was shahid of the week at the Maududi Madrassa."

nabi ZK (pbum)

Well nabi ZK. When did they release you from the mental hospital, before or after your time in the home for failed comedians?

This is a serious subject albeit one you do not recognize, so why are you posting on here just to mock people?
Small things amuse small minds I suppose.

"I am responsible for my children."
-Fazal Khan

And his abandonment of his sons shows him to be an unfit parent. He neglected their education for at least four years. He should not be allowed to have them back. His wife may have had no say in the decision to send them to Pakistan but it appears she went along with it and made no effort to get them back, rendering her an unfit parent as well.
Both boys need a new home with people who will see to their education. They have a lot of remedial instruction ahead of them.

djal's posts are typical of the person who cannot accept what his fellow Muslims are doing. He tries to turn it back on us. Nothing the US has done in its entire history, from the settlement at Jamestown to today, can hold a candle to what Islam did in just its first one hundred years.
We have nothing to answer for to people like him.

nabi zk,

I agree, the film trailer IS disturbing. As for your sense of humour, I like it.

Bumper sticker:

My sons are honour killers in training at the Maududi Madrassa.

Boneshack,

That these kids will be mentally scarred for life...

Mentally retarded is more like it.

Keep the children in Pak and send the parents Pak(ing) back to Pak.

We do not need these people.

Two innocent American kids rescued and returned to their safe home in the United States?

Or do we now have two more hard-core jihad robo-soldiers on our shores?

I guess we'll find out later.

It doesn't look good to me that they were sent "over there" in the first place by a father who wouldn't let them come home until they could recite the Koran from memory.

Bumper sticker suggestion:
"My kuffar kid can beat up your madrassa honor student"

In the 70's teen-agers ran away from their parents to join crazy, mind-washing cults. Nowadays their parents send them.

Ken CleanAirSystem,

Nabi ZK has posted here long term and has a refreshing perspective and frequently enlightening comments, with the added benefit of completely addling the unused brains of unwary trolls.

Thanks for the video link. Bare text didn't fully convey the gravity.

Does anyone know the educational and custodial requirements for international studies by citizen minors? Have any laws been broken?

I imagine that most parents don't seek congressional support for the return of their children. No telling how many thousands of these warped teens have already returned.

djal:

"Same goes for the US, like the killing of the majority of Native Americans."

NINETY PER CENT OF THE AMERICAN INDIANS DIED AS A RESULT OF DISEASES, MANY IF NOT MOST OF THEM BEFORE EVEN SEEING A WHITE MAN.

Now Repeat: NINETY PER CENT OF THE AMERICAN INDIANS DIED AS A RESULT OF DISEASES, MANY IF NOT MOST BEFORE EVEN SEEING A WHITE MAN.

You have your own Fundamentalist Liberal Religion impervious to fact.

"In the 70's teen-agers ran away from their parents to join crazy, mind-washing cults. Nowadays their parents send them.

Posted by: ebonystone"

HA! and they marry them off at early ages....and when the kids object...they die..

I once saw two former members of the Hitler Youth in separate interviews in a TV documentary. Both of the men appeared to be in their late sixties, and one of them still seemed to be a Nazi at heart and expressed the same ideas about Jews. I believe I heard him say that Hitler was betrayed by his generals. The other one had fully recognized the evil in the Nazi party and had gotten over his indoctrination. Which one will these two boys grow up to be like?

Hugh has cut through all of the feel-good BS and gotten to the heart of the matter. And continuing to allow Muslim immigration is a path to national suicide.

"...wanted his American born sons to recite the Quran from memory."

A very valuable skill...with that and $1.50 you can get a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

"Christine Fair, a senior political scientist with the nonprofit research organization RAND Corp., said children in Pakistan's Islamic schools are not subjected to math, English, social studies or other secular topics emphasized in public schools in Georgia."

Reached for comment, the headmaster of Jihad Forever Madrassa in Pakistan said "The kids don't need no stinkin' math, English, social studies or science. They might realize we don't live in the 7th century any more." Turning to his class, he shouted, "Now memorize your Qur'an."

Noor said that it would take him 8 years to memorize the Qur'an. Undoubtedly, this meant 8 years focused solely on the Qur'an without being distracted by the study of any other subject. Having read the Qur'an, all I can say is what a colossal waste of time and what a dreadful way to spend 8 years.

Watching nothing but "The Simpsons" would be far more educational and studying even the most boring material would be far more interesting and uplifting.

Cheers,

Abu el Banat

'I have no need of thee'...
The last thing America needs is two more brainwashed muslims who would spread Islam to unbelievers.
Or worse. There are far to many of them already...stop, and reverse, muslim immigration.

Everyone try to remember when you had to memorize something in school, be it "The Raven" or some other extremely useful prose. How many can still recite "The Raven?" Training one's brain is a good exercise. I would have preferred to memorize a story in Mad Magazine.

Memorizing the Quran for someone who does not speak Arabic must be torture. It must be recited every day for the rest of one's life, or it will fade away, just like "The Raven." Evermore.

In my opinion it explains the reason that the list of Muslim Nobel Prize winners is laughably short.

Concerned Citizen,

I have posted here since the inception of Jihad Watch but I fail to see what bearing that has on ones comments.

I cannot understand why people with multiple accounts make posts - then sing their own praises under another guise in another post.
Sad really.

This is my last comment on the matter.

Pelayo,
Shakespeare's words are hard to forget:

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow
creeps in this petty pace from day to day
to the last syllable of recorded time,
and all yesterdays have lighted fools
the way to dusty death.
Out, out brief candle!
Life is but a walking shadow
A poor player who struts and frets his hour
upon the stage and then is heard no more.
It is a tale told by an idiot,
full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Now THAT'S poetry!

The koran is random sentences. How can anyone memorize it? How much more would the Muslim world have achieved if the people had devoted those hours to more productive activities?

I would like to ask a question off the topic. Apparently, Angelika Neuwirth has control of an archive of photos of pages from very old Qur'ans. Are other scholars allowed access to the archive?

I have not been able to find an answer to the question on the internet. Perhaps it is there and I missed it.

Hopefully, full access is being given to all who want access. If not, there should be a demand made that the documents be published and placed on the internet to allow access to all scholars and amateurs.

There can be no justification to limit access to such documents. They can easily be published and put into the internet.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Abu el Banat

Better to watch the trailer on the KarachiKids.com website: http://www.karachikids.com/

Buy the DVD to support the documentary.

After watching it I had to ask myself "Do we really want these kids back in the US?

Will they ever be "de-programmed"?

Or will one of them be the next president of CAIR?

How could they ever fit back into a local high school? Too many questions unanswered.

An insidious type of the Biblical admonitions:

Raise up a child in the way that he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it,

and

Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against Thee.

The scary thing is the line from the other story that there are "countless other" American kids in the school.

Could it be possible that these boys are merely saying what their captors want to hear, in order to be released?

Nah. Too good to hope for, I suppose.

Does anyone know what's with the rocking back and forth over the Qur'an? It's a question that is driving me crazy.

Regarding the comments made earlier about Americans taking over the continent from the natives: American Indian Tribes were no saints. There were hundreds of tribes and many of them were frequently attacking and killing members of other tribes. Young males were proud to call themselves "braves" and "warriors". This is the way the whole world works, and has worked since the beginning of time. The big eat the small, the strong take from the weak.

I realize that many still believe in a Utopian Society where we all "just get along," but it just isn't human nature and there has never been such a society that survived.

The lesson to take away from the downfall of the American Indians is that they were unable to mount an effective defense of their borders, so they were overtaken. Whether it was right or wrong, good or bad, is irrelevant. It is what it is.

As Americans (USA), we need to understand that if we do not mount an effective defense against Islam, or against any hostile infiltration of our borders, we risk the same fate as those who came before us.

T Shirt from the Madrassa

"my parents sent me to this madrassa and all I got was this lousy bomb belt."

IMO a madrassa is as bad as a training camp. Which it is, except without Phys Ed.

Should be a rule, go to a madrassa, never be allowed back into Christian countries.

Wow,

seems like one gets quite some respone and abuse when one posts a post which goes is out of the "mainstream" of this site.

My point here is only that each nation/cultural identity "washes" its own history, the world is not black and white.

How many Americans remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki as what is was: The first nuclear bomb dropped on civilians is the endphase of a war when such a step was certainly not justified. Sure, it made sense from a cynical Realpolitik stance, but is was a crime nevertheless.

Concerning comments about my personality, I am neither a muslim nor "some kid who is like all mega death and metal and goth and stuff".
I travelled in the tribal areas of Pakistan pre 9/11, speak acceptable conversational Urdu through which I was able to make contacts and friends in Pakistan. That doesn't put me in any position close to understanding the irrationality of terrorism, I condemm it. I pay attention to politics, both local and abroad.

So, the world isn't black and white (even if it's easier to see that way).

Suharto himself (with the help and list from the CIA who is to be killed) killed (by conservative estimates 1/2 million people. I doubt modern terrorists will ever come colse to this number. Just by the atomic bombs dropped over Japan 120 000 civilians got killed in 2 days, a fact of shame that isn't really on many people's minds.

Fazal Khan wanted his American-born sons to recite the Quran from memory. So he sent them to a religious school in his native Pakistan in 2004.

He wanted his son to be a jihadist. Plain and simple.
We should not allow these ticking time bombs into our midst.
The whole family should be removed back to Pakistan.

djal,
No one here is proud that America had to resort to dropping the bombs on Japan. It was a very sad reality. But it is well documented that, had America NOT used the bombs to end the war, many, many more civilians and service persons would have likely died. To say that it was "not justified" flies in the face of evidence that has been examined and re-examined exhaustively.

Yes, countries do try to "wash" their history. But here in the United States, we are all free to question history, do research, and uncover the many "truths" and "alternative" histories. Since we have a free press, many such histories are available for anyone with a library card or an account with Amazon.com.

Where does America deny that it dropped the bombs? Where does it deny that it decimated the American Indians? And the fact that the Allies firebombed German towns and killed many innocent French citizens when fighting the Germans is well documented.

I see no denials here. However, I do see lots of Americans denying themselves the opportunity to LEARN the truth about their history because they won't pick up a book after they leave school.

Don't you agree?

As we all have learned by posting here at JW, if you want to make controversial or provocative statements, be prepared to be challenged. What did you expect?

No one bears you any ill will.

I, too, have memorized the 6,666 verses of the Koran.

For rational self-defense against its psychopathic, intolerant, misogynistic, retrograde, inhuman madness.

How many Americans remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki as what is was: The first nuclear bomb dropped on civilians is the endphase of a war when such a step was certainly not justified. Sure, it made sense from a cynical Realpolitik stance, but is was a crime nevertheless.

Oh man, this just pisses me off.
You my little liberal *&^&* should have been in the AMTRACKS as they hit the beaches in Normandy, should have been penned down by gunfire on the beaches of countless Pacific islands.
To say that ending the war with Imperial Japan was a crime is the worst revision of history.
Japan would never have surrendered if such a massive show of force was not demonstrated.
Crime? Crime? My Dad was blown up by a landmine, his job was to defuse them, he lived, but was an amputee and disabled until he died. My uncle was buried ALIVE by the Japanese. THAT was a CRIME. Oh, he came back to the US...but he was never the sane man he was when he enlisted.
You little sh*thead.

djal: You are guilty of gross moral relativism. Virtually every people in earth's history have committed atrocities in the name of some idea or, what is more often the case, a desire for additional real estate. But it is Western Civilization that has promoted the concept of the dignity and worth of the individual human being more than any other civilization or society in history. This magnificent concept has reappeared time and time again with tenacity to shame those in Western polities who have deviated from this magnificent ethic. And the West has listened time and time again and allowed itself to be shamed and then attempted to create a "more perfect union" in various Western countries, none more so than those in the Anglo-Saxom sphere of Western Civilization. Contrast this achievement with any other civilization that has existed and you will see that the West is supreme in this most important of endeavors for the human race. So, comparing America to Pakistan or other non-Western societies without taking into account what I've written above makes you culpable of creating a level playing field when, in fact, a level playing field most definitely does not exist. It's quite deceitful.

And could you get off the supporting Suharto stuff. Decent, democratic societies live in the real world and sometimes have to align themselves with ugly states to defeat other ugly states. This is precisely what Britain and America did in WWII when they fought with the Soviet Union to defeat Nazi Germany. Or do you think America and Britain were wrong to do so? Are you so holier than thou that you would conclude this? Ditto for suppport for some dictators during the Cold War when the chief concern was the defeat of totalitarian Communism. By the way, dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki actually saved far more lives than it destroyed and brought to a merciful end the largest, most destructive war in history. You know this or should know this. Sometimes the most civilized nations have to do terrible things to end terrible things. Winston Churchill is most instructive here. Try getting a dose of reality rather than the false, twisted and aberrant idealism you have so far manifested today at JW. In short, grow up.

From the article:
RE: 9/11

"Not one Jew died that day. That is what they say,"

That's just pure hogwash!

10 to 15 percent of the WTC victims were Jewish.

Here is an official government source containing a list of 76 Jews who DID die that day:

The 4,000 Jew Rumor

Cheers

I stand with this Gunny.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/burghardt.asp

Controversy is fine, argument is fine, I am not hurt by cynical comments. If the dropping of atomic bombs was justified is debatable , I personally don't think that with japanese army on the brink of destruction they killing of more than 100 000 civilians is in any way justifiable.
Here is the US, with our free media, many people still don't have the information and will to follow events and their historical perspective. How many people recall that we pushed Saddam Hussein when he was in war with Iran (after we toppled the democratic goverment there), that Rumsfeld himself visited Iraq just one week after the so often recited mass killings of Saddam Hussein on the Kurds and didn't mention these incidents.
I still maintain my point that there is a lot of denial on behalf of the people in the US on historic events and their significance.

What I am saying is, the farther you get from real events, the easier it gets to gloss over the truth.
I heard real people tell the stories of the men skinned alive, tortured (not water-boarding, that's for sissies).
And now we have "real smart guys" that have all the answers.
While I am at it, some of my family were killed by Comanches in the 1800's. You know, the perfect, peaceful, "red Indians".

I think I've had enough of the moral equivalence bit. So, this is the end of the line for Djal/Andrew/"Blocked_By_JihadWatch.Org" (no, you weren't, at least not then).

Now, how 'bout those madrassa kids?

djal: I had to respond again because of your last post. You prove in spades the saying that a little knowledge is a bad thing. President Truman was informed by General Marshall and many other top military personnel that invading Japan to end the war would result, at the minimum, in the death of one million Japanese and 100,000 American soldiers. The Japanese were prepared to arm everyone and fight an Americann invasion throughout the four main islands to the bitter end. Furthermore, the Japanese army was still in tact and it was in the process of being withdrawn from all parts of the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere and thus, though not what it had once been, was still formidable enough to fight ferociously for months, if not a full year. That's the main reason why Truman was told that an invasion of Japan would extend the war into 1946. His decision to drop the A-Bomb was eminently correct and had he not literally millions of Americans and Japanese alive today would have never been born because their fathers, grandfathers and other relatives would have been killed some sixty years ago. Perspective isn't everything but it's a hell of a lot. So is knowledge. You are deficient in both.

"Muslims are the masters of propaganda, as they play by no rules."

Posted by: Exposing Islam

I agree. This whole notion that 9/11 was a Jewish plot is the kind of pig crap/duck speak that muslims would like some of us in the world to believe.

On the one hand you have OBL gloating over one of his greatest achievements, the destruction of the WTC, and on the other the story that muslims had nothing to do with it.

Next thing you know, muslims will try to convince the rest of us that their "god" is the true god, that they are morally superior to the rest of us who are non-muslim, and their "religion" is one of peace.

I have my answer: djal is just another self-loathing, anti-Western, leftist, dhimmi troll.

To all those ringing their hands over Hiroshima. Ever heard of Pearl Harbor? Wake Island? The Bataan Death March? Are you aware that Japan had been attacking China since 1937, long before the U.S. got involved. Among the atrocities commited by the Japanese was the Rape of Nanking, both a figurative and literal description. Are you also aware that Japanese prison camps rivaled those of their nazi allies in brutality? Chickens can come home to roost in other places besindes America and Isreal.

I've heard that about 500 Jews died on 9/11. I guess they didn't get the memo.

Now, how 'bout those madrassa kids? Posted by MarisolJW

If they are enrolled in a US public school they will be far, far behind, and this will cause more trouble. Will daddy find another Islamic school for them here in the good ole US of A? At 16 and 17 they would be entering their junior and senior years in high school. What have they learned? Bomb making credits are not transferrable. I forsee some remedial schooling on the taxpayer dollar.

Balrog, let's give the German's some credit for being a little bit more humane as far as non-Russian POWs were concerned.

Germans were generally reciprocal in their handling of prisoners. They treated Soviet prisoners exactly the way the Soviets treated German prisoners.

I cannot find the article, but American prisoner death rates in Japanese prisons were extremely higher than those in Germany.

I cannot understand why people with multiple accounts make posts - then sing their own praises under another guise in another post.
Sad really.

This is my last comment on the matter....

Well Ken, Clean Air System you seem to be saying that I, nabi ZK, have multiple accounts and sing my own praises. You have no information that this is the case and it is not. So I would appreciate one more comment on the matter in order to retract your false assertion.

If you don't like my posts you should address the issues contained therein or simply ignore them. There is no need to make a personal attack against me or anyone else in this forum.

nabi ZK (pbum)

...I, nabi ZK (pbum), will continue to make fun of the trolls and also the foibles of the mohametans...that is what they are for...besides it's fun...please take note of it...

Pelayo: I believe the mortality rate was 27% for American POWs in Japanese camps. 4% for Americans in German camps. A considerable variance to be sure as you correctly surmised.

Actually Ken Clean Air System, the nabi (pbum) does sing his own praises. But not under a pseudonym. I, nabi ZK (pbum) come right out and tell people exactly how nabific I, nabi ZK (pbum), accept no substitute, am. Quite nabific actually.

nabi ZK

Ken CleanAirSystem,

Wow, I got to be the Nabi for a moment (no premonitions, though).

Let me make it clearer to you. Nabi ZK is a "friendly". Don't shoot into your own line. Since you've been here so long (2005, best I can tell), I would think you would have encountered him before.

If humor were not allowed, a lot of Robert's posts would have to be deleted. Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying, cussing, concussing, etc.

Don't lose your humor...If you do you will morph into the most wretched Islamophobe.

Back to the Madrassa kids. I saw the movie.
Two years in muslim boot camp would warp anyone.
These young men are already warped, keep them in Pakistan where being warped is considered normal...

And we wonder why there are such issues in the states of the EU?

"I am a young man, aged 16-17. If I become a faithful, practicing moslem I can have 4 wives. I can beat them at will. I can take them to my bed at my will. I can have as many children as I want, with no consideration of whether or not I can afford to support them. I do not need to work or have a job. I do not have to obey the laws of the land in which I dwell. I do not have to pay taxes. As a matter of fact, I can have the taxpayers pay ME for living in filth in a western country. I do not need to learn the native's language. I can openly reject the native customs. I can intimidate older people just by my outward appearance and menacing looks, and it makes me laugh. I feel extremely superior.

I do not have to fit in to this society. I can create my own society where I do what I want, when I want. As a matter of fact as a practicing and faithful moslem, I can even set aside my four wives and have a temporary marriage to an infidel for one night, and this will enable me to have sex with her with no obligation and without penalty, because I am a moslem and I follow mohammed's example.

I can take a child bride and openly practice pedophelia, even though this is a practice that has long been outlawed by the West.

I can do whatever I want to do, and you cannot stop me, only because I am a moslem. If I were anything other than a moslem, I would be subjected to the rule of law and possibly jailed for insurrection, pedophelia, polygamy and tax fraud.

But I'm safe! Because, I'm a moslem.

And Europe ponders, "why do we have a problem?"

The sooner such people are shown the door, the better. One or at most two posts should be enough. No nonsense needs to be tolerated. This is not Hyde Park Corner.

After all, he can flog his wares elsewhere, at ten thousand Muslim sites, both those run for Muslims-only, and those run by Muslim apologists hoping to inveigle the diminishing group of still-credulous Infidels.

I assume, Hugh, that you are referring to djal. Is that right?

nabi ZK (pbum)

djal,

It never ceases to amaze me when people cry for the poor helpless Japanese.Usually these are Liberals or Muslims who want to draw some type of moral equivalency between the US and fascist Japan and fascist Islam. You apparently have no idea of the many atrocities committed by the Japanese in WW2 and how hated they still are particularly by the Chinese. Are you aware that the Japanese considered the Chinese no better then a cat or dog? That the Japanese used live Chinese for bayonet practice and also hunted them for sport.The Chinese along with other Asian victims of Japan resent people like you who whine because the Japanese were nuked while ignoring the suffering of the victims of Japanese racism and imperialism.You might be surprised to know that a monument was erected in China in 2005 in honor of the US military for their role in what the Chinese call the "war to defeat Japan".

Back to the madrassa graduates (or are they dropouts - that's even a new nadir of low achievement!!!! ;-) I agree with those above who say that they shouldn't have been let back in, but now that they're back, why not send them to Dearbornistan instead of Atlanta?

As for bumper stickers:

My mushrikun kid knocked up your Jamiah al Hafsa graduate

My son is a shahid from Maudidi Madrassah

My kid just gave birth to her 72nd virgin

My daughter just graduated from Jamiah al Fatima and is now ready to marry any of my relatives

"I am responsible for my children."

Riighhhhttt. These children are now brainwashed by your quran and a horrible radical terrorist hotbed country YOU sent them to. I'm not sold that you should get your children back.

I can only hope that those kids will rebel against their cult and see the light.

I do not understand djal's obsession with the A-bomb. By any measure it is just a bomb, be it a large one. Would it have been more humane to have used thousands of tons of conventional bombs? Is the fact that they were atomic somehow make them evil bombs? The fire-bombing of Tokyo was much more destructive, why not mention that?

Actually, they have proven to be mankind's greatest invention for quickly stopping a war that the Emperor would have continued until every living soul in Japan had perished and has till now prevented World War III.