"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist"

When I hear "muslim," I think "pitiful."

Yet another attempt to improve Islam's image? Ah, the games continue.

The same crap wherever you look:

As tonight's Dispatches shows, the media's coverage of Islam alienates and demonises a vulnerable British minority.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/07/channel4.islam

MUSLIMS AFTER POLICE RAIDS: 'WE FEEL BETRAYED' [VIDEO]

http://www.thisisthesentinel.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=158767&command=displayContent&sourceNode=158593&contentPK=21021908&folderPk=87654&pNodeId=158324

Hey muslims, start denouncing the terrorists who claim to act on behalf of Islam, and not the non-muslims who report them, and you might have a legitimate complaint.

Why aren't the papers full of other articles from other faiths trying to improve their negative image, is it because they do not have an image problem. Why is it always Islam?

It is not a matter of telling everyone that 'Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance', it is a matter of proving it, actions always speak louder than words!

I do not know about 'Peak Oil' but are we seeing 'Peak Whitewash'?

Actually,when I hear the word "terrorist" I think muslim,when I hear "honor killing" I think muslim,when I hear "Death to America" I think muslim but when I hear the word "Peaceful" I think Amish.

JLP

"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist," Ahmed said.

That's exactly right, and for good reason. Oh, btw, today is the 3rd anniversary of your Islamic Jihad tube bombing in London. So, it's not just 9/11, Ahmed. And all of the other post-9/11 Islamic Terrorist attacks, besides.

"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist," Ahmed said.

"But that's not what Islam represents."

Tell it to your fellow Muslims, honey. Hold your seminars in Tehran, the West Bank, Gaza, Riyadh, Cairo, Islamabad... you get the picture.

Americans are not the ones who need education on Islam.

The people who do are those who follow Osama. In other words Ms. Ahmed, you need to educate your fellow Muslims. Americans were happy to leave you and your coreligionists alone - until you decided that we could be killed because of who our friends were.

"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist," Ahmed said.

Huh Huh. All terrorists are Muslim. The mouthy ones threaten in the name of Allah, and in the name of Islam. Quite clear to me. All non-terrorist Muslims don't seem to mind that all terrorists are Muslims nor refute what they say or do, and they simply try to conceal it, Gee, just like Ahmed.

Ms. Ahmed,
If you're afraid to travel to the Middle East and prefer the safety and security of America, I would suggest you visit Islamberg, Dearborn, Detroit, Kansas City, Minneapolis and a few other locales where Muslims are busy demanding sharia law and some are refusing to do their jobs otherwise.

Terrorism isn't what Islam represents?

Well, Sharia isn't what AMERICA represents!

Actually when I SEE Muslim, I think terrorist.. Did they do a survey for that?

Well now Ms. Ahmed...

It's your house, you clean it up...

Talk to your fellow religionists if you want to change perceptions. We understand perfectly.

Six or seven million muslims (Really, that many?) in the US, all misunderstood? I think JW readers could ask her questions she would not be comfortable with. She is relying on the ignorance of her audience...

It's not true that 9/11 spurred anti-Muslim sentiments. If anything, 9/11 actually did more to help spread the notion that "Islam is the Religion of Peace" than any other single act.

The dust hadn't even settled when the defense of Islam and Muslims began. We were all told, constantly by everybody, that Islam was peaceful and that such acts went against everything that Islam stood for.

I certainly believed it. I had no reason not to. That's what everybody said. Christians, Jews, politicians. Everybody. 9/11 did more to cause Islam to be embraced than criticized.

But then I started reading up on it. The more I learned, the more I came to understand. And I didn't even bother doing that until almost 3 years after 9/11.

If 39% have negative views of Islam and Muslims, maybe some of that is because of 9/11.

The rest probably comes from those of us who know how to read.

Some questions a knowledgeablre person could ask her since she is using the noble Quran , who are zalimun 2:193, what is fitnah 8:39 2:190 ,what is munkar 9:111/112, who are mushrikun 9:5.
I suprised she is using that edition instead of the white washed ones.

"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist
AND WHY NOT MOST OF THE TERRORIST ACT IN THE WORLD SINCE 9/11 HAVE BEEN COMITED IN THE NAME OF ALLHA

Jaynie58, I agree. I didn't make a serious connection between Islam, Muslims, and terrorism after 9/11.

It wasn't until the public antics of CAIR in front of me in the daily news and all the ridiculous demands that Muslims were making right here in the US, and the accusations of racism, bigotry, and Islamophobia being thrown about, that I began to pay attention and read about this hateful ideology called Islam. This probably happened for me about 2006.

I read writings from both sides: critics of Islam and supporters of this "religion of peace."

After a year of careful study of the literature as well as paying close attention to what Muslims are doing and saying, I don't need to have Islam interpreted for me by Muslims. I can read, and I have eyes and ears.

OT, but it makes me nervous...

I was driving home from the grocery store, this afternoon, and I passed, as I usually do, by the mosque (located a few hundred yards from my house).

There was a van I hadn't seen before, parked in front of the place, with luggage tied to the roof rack. Milling about were a slew of Muslims in man-dresses, and doily hats.

I hope they're locals, going on a trip, rather than a fresh crop, joining the community!

Samina Ahmed, you need to look at the website for thereligionofpeace.com:

7/6/2008 (Islamabad, Pakistan) - A brutal suicide attack near a market and a police station leaves about two dozen dead and many more maimed and bloodied.
7/5/2008 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - A married couple is blown up with four others by a bomb planted by Islamic fundamentalists.
7/5/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) - Islamic militants manage to kill three Iraqis in two bombing and shooting attacks.
7/5/2008 (Yala, Thailand) - Muslim gunmen open up on a crowd eating breakfast at a tea shop, killing four.
7/4/2008 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Islamic hardliners are suspected in the assassination of a local official walking home from work.
7/4/2008 (Yala, Thailand) - Islamists behead a Buddhist and then set his body on fire. The man's son is seriously injured as well.

To paraphrase William of Occam: if they look like ducks, walk like ducks, and quack like a ducks, they're ducks.

Shucks.

When I hear the word 'Muslim", I don't think terrorist, but I do think
potential terrorist. I don't think I'm paranoid, but based on recent history I am certainly wary.

After all it is their religion that is committing the acts of violence. I mean lets be real here. Not only acts of violence against non Muslims but also imposition of the barbaric Sharia laws that allows them to commit acts of hatred and violence against women and non Muslims. Looking at the UMMAH countries you can see the gross discrimination and attacks non Muslims. You have in Saudi Arabia area where non Muslims are not allowed. You have in Pakistan, Bangladesh, countries in North Africa that are continuing their cleansing of Christian and Hindu and Buddhist population. The Islamic countries have one of the worst conditions of oppression of women, children being kidnapped and economic disaster. There are hardly any advances in science or arts or music. Human creativity is limited to how to kill as many non Muslims as possible and to impose Sharia laws.

After a year of careful study of the literature as well as paying close attention to what Muslims are doing and saying, I don't need to have Islam interpreted for me by Muslims. I can read, and I have eyes and ears.
Posted by: cumulusnine

We can also think. Any religion (so called)that can kill without conscience by using women or downs syndrome walking bombs is threat enough by their actions alone. Never mind what we are supposed to think the religion (so called) says about itself. It’s what it does, or does not do (no Mother Teresas in Islam for example), makes this Cult of Allah’s intent self evident. They must be really stupid to think we’d be that stupid to believe them.

Tell it to your Islam co-religionists. But reason has never been Mohammad's strong point. It's all about power, world domination for Allah, and Arab supremacism. We have no problem with identifying the problem with Islam. WE figured it out. Now go tell it to the Muslims, Ms. Ahmed... and get a body guard when you do.

When I hear the word 'Muslim" . . .

hmmmmm,

. . . the first thought that comes to mind is 'deceived'.

Muslims themselves are the first victims of that grand deception, the belief system of Islam.

As pointed out above, with the most recent posted events at thereligionofpeace.com, muslims continue to be the largest group to be victimised by islamic terrorism - just as they have since Islam's inception.

Yet they take comfort in "Allah knows best". Pity.

When Muslims themselves capture Osama Bin Ladin, Zawahiri, and other Islamic terrorists and turn them over the the United States Government...then I'll start to think things have changed. When Muslims stop persecuting, torturing, kidnapping and enslaving Christian children, burning down churches, turn over the church in Turkey to their Christian owners, vacate the Temple Mount, then I'll start to think differently about Muslims. When Muslims stop being homicide bombers and throwing tantrums and being insulted about everything...including the fact that most of the world does not believe Mohammed was a prophet...then I might think Islam is different than I thought. But given what Muslims are doing around the world today, ie. mass murder, torture, enslavement, terrorism and the rest of the so called "peaceful" Muslims are doing nothing to stop these Muslims waging jihad, I believe that Islam is a religion of war and terrorism. I would prefer that all Muslims leave the United States and other Western Countries as soon as possible never to enter here again.

Robert you are so correct, these Muslim appologists have it totally wrong, they need to confront their people about "their religion". The other half of the equation would be our stupid MSM and governing elites, ie leftist univ. proffs, politicians, who need to demand accountability for islamists actions against women, minorities living in muslim lands, aka Buddists, Christians, Jews.

I hear racist...I think, KKK,Black Panthers or neo-Nazis. I hear Code Pink...I think traitorous old bags. I hear Earth Liberation Front or PETA...I think Nutjob Tree Huggers.

I hear Muslim...I think terrorist.

We can't help but learn what the evidence of our eyes presents to us.

Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

From the article
There are between six to seven million Muslims in the United States, making up less than three percent of the country's 300 million population.

I thought that Muslims were currently at 1.0% of the population. Is this number, 3 percent, accurate? That does not portend well for the U.S.

Tap tap tap, umm, excuse me, do you Muslims mind leaving now? See we're trying to enjoy living in a free country and, well , you folks are effing it all up.

Whenever I hear the word Muslim, right away I think any combination of the following:

1. Murderers


2. Taquiyya/Kitman artists


3. Breeders (particularly vaginal Mohammedans)


4. Perpetually outraged


5. Hypocrites


6. Bigots


7. Ingrates


8. Troglodytes


9. Catamites

Terrorist = Muslim

CAIR, et al keeps trying to tell us not to believe our eyes and ears.

Shocking!
From where could such a notion have possibly come?
How could anyone equate islam with terrorism?!

Add to IP's list above:

10. Mysogyny
11. Bestiality
12. Slavery
13. Racism
14. Superstition

... oh, there's more from this 7th century irrational primitive Cult...

Sorry, lady.

9/11 didn't surprise me in the least; because I had already read the Quran and pegged it as a 'cult text' - a violent cult. I was already worrying about Iran getting 'the bomb' because I knew about the business of going to Paradise if you got killed in jihad.

Also, being a Christian and having had contact with Christians who had lived in Muslim lands, and having read at least two books containing the testimony of Pakistani Muslims who had become Christians and subsequently been 1. threatened with death 2. narrowly escaped being murdered by their families 3. forced to flee their homeland, I knew ALL about the apostasy law in Islam - if you leave, they try to kill you.

And from reading a couple of very well-researched historical novels I knew about the hideousness of the devshirme; and I knew about the Knights of St John of Malta and the aggression of Islam against the West.

I knew about inshallah fatalism from reading Burton's unexpurgated translation of the 1001 Nights.

I knew about Muslim misogyny after a whole slew of ghastly news stories out of Afghanistan in the 1980s and 1990s (oh, and reading Geraldine Brooks' Nine Parts of Desire, even though she only relied on the whitewashers for her historical background).

So when I finally discovered Mr Spencer's books - and re-read the Quran, slowly and carefully, along with Bat Yeor's books, and Mr Bostom's books, and started frequenting this website - all sorts of things fell neatly into place.

Finding out about taqiyya, the permission to Muslims to lie through their blooming teeth in order to 'guard themselves' and advance the power of Islam over non-Muslims, was the last bit of the jigsaw puzzle, and the ugliest piece of all.

I should add that a friend of mine who is Anglo-Indian (daughter of a Bengali Brahmin and a Scotswoman), and spent her early life in Darjeeling before coming to Australia, understands PERFECTLY about Islam and its normal attitude toward and treatment of kafir - even though she has never read the Quran.

I was talking with her the other day. She already knew Islam was violent, territorially aggressive, destructive, misogynistic, etc - she was going by observable facts and - I think - the 'distributed knowledge' and cultural/ historical memory of the non-Muslim Indian community here in Australia, some of whom, at least, have themselves fled Muslim violence or descend from people who fled Muslim violence, or have friends and family who have suffered Muslim violence. She was well informed about the jihad against non-Muslims in Kashmir, including the Muslim 'ethnic cleansing' of the Kashmiri pandits.

All I was doing was matching what she already knew, with the Quran and other texts, and her reaction was "Oho, so THERE'S where it comes from".

"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist"

No... 'Deluded' comes to mind first and then 'sudden jihad syndrome'...

I think of the following when I think of islam/muslims, not all at the same time - and some more often than others:

- liars
- ones who would rather lie about islam rather than bring their own into the same thought they try to bring me - that it does NOT condone killing, torture, etc.
- pitiful, misled ones
- even evil and psychopaths
- butchers of humans
- illogical
- zombies

there are other things that I think of them - and an honest individual - is usually not among these things.

This is typical of Muslims attempting to take the easy way out and another example of why they are not respected.The Islamic brand is in trouble as a direct result of the actions of Muslims. Prior to Muslims flying planes into buildings, wearing bomb vests into pizza parlors and shooting children in the back on the first day of school. No one talked about or cared much about Muslims.Before 9/11 I thought Islam was one of the world's great religions like Christianity and Judaism.Thanks to Osama Bin Laden, Hamas, Hezbollah and a variety of Imams, cartoons rioters and honor killers. I now know better.

If Muslims really want to improve Islam's image quit wasting time trying to educate peaceful Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Satanists and Atheists. Most of us neither want or need your religion. The time would better be spent educating Osama Bin Laden and other "misunderstanders" of Islam. Or better yet take a page out the history books on how other immigrant groups dealt with problem members of their communities.Take Chinese and Italian immigrants in years past. When members of those communities started bringing unwelcome attention to their immigrant community and damaged the image of the community with the majority population. The problem was handled in the community and those embarrassing members had a way of "disappearing".What you would not see is members of the Chinese or Italian community seeking to educate members of the larger Angelo Saxon community.Many in the majority community would see that for what it was a weak and cowardly act.

When I think of muslims, I think of terrorism. Today it's almost impossible to hear of suicide bombers without hearing of a muslim committing the act.

The murders of school children in Beslan were done by muslims, were they not? (In the name of Allah!)

Wasn't WSJ reporter Daniel Pearl murdered by muslims? (In the name of Allah!)

Weren't the riots around the world the past year about a silly cartoon conducted by muslims? (In the name of Allah!)

But wait, don't murders happen here in the West by un-believers? Well, sure...but they're normally not done in the name of Jesus Christ!

So yeah, Ms. Ahmed can say whatever she wants. Spin control can be next to impossible when another muslim suicide bomber goes BOOM!

BTW, whenever I think of muslims I also think of the largest group of people all sufferring collectively from OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder. I can understand one's personal belief preventing one from consuming a particular kind of meat...but when even pictures of pigs, and piggy banks begins to disturb a person--in my book, that is a classic case of OCD right there.

I also associate muslims with lobotomies, for I believe the majority of them have turned their brains into the "OFF" position. How else could they accept a pedophile/molester like Mo to be an example of the most "perfect" man?

I agree with James comment above,

"It is not a matter of telling everyone that 'Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance', it is a matter of proving it, actions always speak louder than words!"

So true, and the problem is one of our nature. We want to improve the image, ad agencies and pr specialists will drop tons of money in efforts to improve the "image", yet it never seems to occur to these people nowadays to work on improving the reality.

But then again it is a function of the news media to trumpet the unusual, the garish, the negative.

One Mahometan shopkeeper in our town stopped me as I was leaving his shop, I had handed him some new bills for a purchase that as new bills sometimes do had stuck together.

Of course nothing like that would have made the spewsnapers, it is the old saying dog bites man is not news, man bites dog is news.

Ahmed, if she really cares what people think..I mean really cares..she would get out of that bloody collection of maniacs as soon as she can and shake the dust out of her clothing as she leaves.

I don’t specifically think “terrorist” when I hear the word, “Muslim”. Instead, I think of Muhammad and his behavior as detailed in Islamic literature as a:

Murderer-Torturer-Rapist-Pedophile-Thief-Misogynist-Polygamist-Supremacist-Hypocrite-Fabulist-Deceiver-Terrorist

Then I think about how Muslims revere Muhammad as the perfect man for all mankind to emulate; then I start to understand why most terrorism in the world today is committed by Muslims.

Final thought: How many instances can be found in the Bible of Jesus beheading, raping, torturing, terrorizing, thieving, and advocating war against non-believers? Hmmmmm....

Final thought: How many instances can be found in the Bible of Jesus beheading, raping, torturing, terrorizing, thieving, and advocating war against non-believers? Hmmmmm....

Xero G,

Not only did Jesus do none of those things, but when Jesus was arrested Peter attacked someone with a sword, cutting off his ear. Jesus told Peter to put the sword away and then He healed the man's ear - the servant of the high priest.

Well, I know I do ... think of terrorism whenever I hear, 'muslim/islam/jihad/qur'an'. I wonder why ... well, actually, I don't (wonder).

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's recent figures, Islamophobic crimes more than quadrupled from 28 incidents in 2000 to 156 incidents in 2006....

Considering that at least one "hate crime" recently consisted of throwing a koran into a toilet and others have been fabrications, I don't feel overwhelming sympathy. There has been an amazing tolerance and absence of backlash against these ignorant demanding whining folks. I suspect that may change with the next major islamic attack and muslims in this country may get to experience actual hate crimes.

The article quoted a 2007 poll which showed that the majority of Americans know very little about the practices of Islam. I am sure that they would get the same result for other religions such as Hinduism, Bhuddism, Zoroastrianism, etc. Yet most Americans, I would presume, do not have negative views about these other religions. So if the assertion is that the negative attitude towards Islam is due to lack of knowledge of the religion, it would not be supported by the facts. It is all a smoke screen.

A 2007 survey by Pew Research Center and the Pew Forum found that the majority of Americans know very little about the practices of Islam.

The poll indicated that attitudes toward Muslims and Islam have grown more negative in recent years.

Exactly. The more you know the more negative your perception of Islam becomes.

When I see a Muslim, especially a woman, I think: whoa, what's with the headscarf while driving? No one is looking at you as some sex object while commuting to/from work. Enough of the sexual tones to everything female. When I see a Muslim couple in a Safeway and the man is wearing knaki pants and a polo shirt and the woman is covered head to toe in an abaya, I think: whoa, 21st century here in the WEST. Pretty much, I hear/see Muslim and I think totally unable to adapt to the 21st Century. Therefore it's adapt or die.

Finding out about taqiyya, the permission to Muslims to lie through their blooming teeth in order to 'guard themselves' and advance the power of Islam over non-Muslims, was the last bit of the jigsaw puzzle, and the ugliest piece of all.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at July 7, 2008 4:37PM

I had the same experience, dda. When I first learned what "taqiyya" was, so much fell into place. So much explained. Like pulling a curtain back from a window.

That is why the Mohammedans downplay taqiyya whenever Infidels bring it up. For us to realize the importance of lying and deceit in their "religion" is dangerous to their goal of world domination.

As Sun-Tzu said, "Don't roll your ammunition down to the enemy." Well, knowing about taqiyya - that's ammunition!

"Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist," Ahmed said.

Muslims did 9/11, didn't they, Ahmed?

That's quite clever. By saying that we think they are all terrorists makes it easier to hide the fact that the non-violent ones still want to subjugate and control our lands.

When I think of muslims I think of supremacists, some violent, some political, but all after the same goal as set out in the qu'ran.

The difference between a moderate muslim and a radical? One wants to take over using force, the other wants to take over using politics. They work hand in hand. Two sides of the same coin.

Look at Britain, 7/7 has been used by the "moderates" to further the islamisation of the UK with the threat that unless we "engage" with them by giving them a say in how our country is run then there will be more terrorism. And of course our craven politicians go along with it because of concern for their own careers.

7/7 was as much political as it was terrorist. That was undoubtedly the plan all along right from the day someone said "let's murder people in London".

Violence and politics go hand in hand in islam. It's what mohammed did.

""Since 9/11, whenever people hear the word Muslim, right away they think terrorist"

Since about 632, whenever Muslims hear the word Christian or Jew, right away they think of apes, pigs, and targets..

When I hear "muslim," I think "pitiful."

Posted by: 3812Michelle at July 7, 2008 1:02 PM

So right, Michelle.

It comes down to who are you going to believe? The words of muslims or your lying eyes? Ever more of us learn the nature of the islamic scourge. The polls are re-assuring. Good job CAIR. I was pleased to see your name mentioned in some of the posts. Rock on muslim brothers. Teach us about islam.