Even altruism, when expressed through an Islamic paradigm, takes on a tyrannical demeanor: compulsory fatwas. "MP and cleric makes controversial plea to Islamic authority," by Prega Govender, for the Times, July 26:
Muslim brides and their future husbands could soon be forced to take Aids tests — and reveal the results to their clerics — before being allowed to marry.A Democratic Alliance member of parliament, Rafeek Shah, who is also an Islamic scholar and moulana (religious leader), called this week for a fatwa (Islamic ruling) making it compulsory for Muslim couples to undergo Aids tests before their weddings.
[...]If the fatwa is passed, it would give the more than 450 imams or leaders of mosques the power to refuse to marry couples who don’t take the test.
Shah said in his letter that his aim was not to prevent HIV-positive Muslims from marrying, but to help them undergo premarital counselling and to protect their future spouses.
But Shah is also calling for couples to present their imams with an “Aids certificate” disclosing their status.
“I know there are constitutional problems with this (call). But I believe the collective welfare of society should take precedence over individual rights,” Shah said.
[...]Shah’s call has been endorsed by other leading Muslim clerics, who say it is founded in Islamic law.
[...]Another UUCSA affiliate, the Jamiatul-Ulama of KwaZulu-Natal, rejected Shah’s proposed fatwa, saying it infringed the rights of those leading “pure and chaste lives”.
“The Jamiat urges those seeking marital partners to follow the Prophet’s advice of seeking a partner who has piety,” it said in a statement.
They are in South Africa as well. These are the enemies within. I feel sorry for all those countries that have let Muslims into their borders as asylum seekers, refugees or immigrants. They are and their children will always be a ticking time bomb. The unfortunate will always be the ordinary kafir to feel the brunt of Islamic onslaught.
So people will start marrying without the imam. That is indeed good news.
And if it's the woman who tests positive for AIDS? Where did she get it from? There could be a lot of "honor-killings" over this.
And if it's the man, I can see a lot of brides' families refusing to go through with the marriage, leading to a lot of bad blood, with major fedus between families and clans. This could get interesting.
Does this mean that women can refuse to marry Muslim men with HIV? Great day in the morning, what is Islam coming to.
They are in South Africa as well. These are the enemies within. I feel sorry for all those countries that have let Muslims into their borders as asylum seekers, refugees or immigrants. They are and their children will always be a ticking time bomb. The unfortunate will always be the ordinary kafir to feel the brunt of Islamic onslaught.
Posted by: savsiv
Yes savsiv, they are in South Africa. Lots of them. There seems to be little understanding of the danger of increasing numbers of Muslims to the ordinary kafir population, black and white and other. Of course, you can end up in court for calling anyone a kafir in South Africa.
The infidel calling a black person a kafir as an insult, just doesn't know that he/she is also a kafir and it is actually not an insult. As a white South African I have no problem with anyone calling me a kafir. In fact, I call myself a kafir every time I talk about Islam, and that's every day, without fail.
The AIDS virus will be reacting to these fatwas the way humans should - ignore them altogether, and act like they don't exist.
But this does sound like bid'ha to me - nowhere in the Qur'an is there anything about men & women with AIDS being forbidden from marrying. One bad news about this - while AIDS infected Mohammedans will ignore the imams, as some posters above have suggested, those responsible ones may indeed obey the imams, and increase their fealty to the ummah. Undesired results.
Is that the AIDS virus the Western nations infected them with, in an attempt to wipe them out?
ImNoDhimmi,
Yup, that be it. Don't forget the infertility virus, er, polio vaccine, that we're spreading in Pakistan.