"The Turkistan Islamic Party warns China one more time"

Running for your life may set a all time speed record.

Previous posting on China and the Jihad:

"One hopes that the non-Muslim world begins to realize that whatever the local grievances may exist (no doubt the Uighurs are not treated entirely fairly), this is no time for delicacy and the desire to do absolute justice. While one may express solidarity with Tibetans, in the case of Muslims in China (the last major uprising was in 1930 -- see Mildred Cable's book The Gobi Desert), non-Muslims cannot afford to oppose other non-Muslim states as they deal, however they wish, with the local expressions of Jihad. If this involves a repression which we ourselves would not dare to practice, so be it. Given the gross misunderstanding of what Islamic ideology and mistreatment of non-Muslims (some 1350 years of it) teaches, solidarity with non-Muslims everywhere (in the Philippines, in Nigeria, in Israel, in India) must take precedence over any other consideration. That is how a war of self-defense, one unlimited in scope and duration, must be fought. Eventually a sufficient number of non-Muslims will come to their senses. The question is: when? And how many unnecessary and dangerous policies, from refusing to end Muslim immigration to the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe, to the failure to combat the deliberate widespread campaigns of conversion in such countries as Mexico (aimed at using Mexican Muslim immigrants as a fifth column), to the crazy continued arming of hostile Muslim states such as Egypt, are going to continue? In the 1930s the West dithered; now it is worse than dithering, but actually promoting, in part, the continued success of its -- by self-definition (the ideology of Islam) -- clear and implacable enemies. The folly and mental fog surrounding continued misunderstanding are fantastic."

[Posted by: Hugh at December 15, 2003 11:07 AM]

I don't think we'll see much Political Correctness coming from Beijing's government.

"Please do not stand together with the faithless people...

Fair game for Islam. If you have a faith, or not, it does not matter. Infidels, kaffirs, people of the book, apes, pigs, blasphemers, insulter's of Islam, any innocent bystanders, the Turkistan Islamic Party will blow us all up for Allah.

I wonder why?

Actually, I can't see the Chinese authorities putting up with too much of this crap. I think a lot of heads are going to roll, and not the ones the Turkistan Islamic Party has in mind.

The Muslims are just returning some of those Chinese supplied munitions..

A previous article on China and the Jihad:

"There has never been a major terrorist attack in China, though the suppression of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, and their dilution by non-Muslim Han, could both be considered acts more dangerous to Islam than anything the governments of Western Europe have done. Might the absence of a response be explained by the understanding that the Chinese government and people, unlike those in the West, would likely respond to any such attacks in a way that would permanently affect the continued existence of Islam in China?
Historically, in Xinjiang, cries of Jihad, as the Englishwoman and missionary Mildred Cable dryly noted in her wonderful "The Gobi," could be heard once every 30 years or so. The last major Muslim Jihad in that region was in 1930; it was bloodily suppressed. Foreign visitors to Xinjiang are always impressed by the superior hygiene of the Uighurs; they pay less attention to the unrest that Islamic tenets prompt. The Uighurs have houses that are neat and clean, the Chinese living cheek-by-jowl, per contra, are very unclean and un-neat. And no doubt the Uighurs have a point. But in the larger scheme of things, which from here on out is all that matters, Infidels have to take the side of Infidels, because in the end, alas, local Muslims with any axe to grind will not be immune to the larger message that Al-Jazeera and a thousand other sources of Muslim propaganda, helpfully translated into local languages, is spreading all over the world.

Outsiders sometimes extend to Muslims the same sympathy that they feel for the Tibetans. But the Tibetans make no claim to anyplace but Tibet. It is ironic that the destruction of the lamaseries, and of much of Tibetan culture, unique in the world, should be used to support the claims of Muslims, who are intent not on preserving various unique local cultures, but on extending Islam which, wherever it has gone, has actually worked to destroy the artifacts, and the historic memory, of everything non-Islamic.
One should be able to support an independent Tibet and yet support the suppression of any move by Uighurs for greater independence in Xinjiang. They are different things, that only superficially appear to make the same appeal. One situation involves Islam; the other does not. And that makes, as Robert Frost would put it, all the difference.

By all means support an independent Tibet. Tibet deserves independence. But when it comes to Xinjiang, it might be necessary at least for the short term for Infidels simply swallow any scruples and be on the side of China, even ruthless Communist China, imposing the will of the people of Han on the people of Hui, or something like that.

It is an Us-Them situation. That is what those who wish us Infidels ill are taught to believe, or most of them, and that is the way in turn, Infidels, out of self-preservation, must come to see things.

The Chinese have also had cordial relations with Pakistan. One hopes that the Chinese, whatever their realpolitik calculations, will realize that aiding Pakistan is, in effect, aiding the world of Islam, a world which may seem only to have America, Israel, and a few other places in its sights, but in end, it has all of Asia as well.

And as the tide of Communism recedes, one hopes that fervent Christians, rather than the bearers of da'wa, will flood China with their message.

It is of note that in France and Italy, the communities most hostile to the Muslim immigrants are those of the Asian immigrants. They are at least as conscious of their own histories as are Muslims; yet unlike Muslims, they do not view their neighbors with hostility or hatred. They cause no trouble to anyone; they exhibit no signs of wanting to be other than productive and loyal members of the countries to which they have come. The contrast is stark and is beginning to be noticed, at least in the Corriere della Sera and Le Figaro (the latter has become the most sensible French newspaper, even at times publishing the truth about Islam, and about Iraq as well).

One hopes, finally, that Chinese everywhere remember the murder of 600,000 Chinese (described, of course, as "Communists" and "Communist sympathizers" for Western consumption) by Muslim Indonesians in the 1960s. Few paid attention; it seemed plausible -- Chinese, owing their allegiance to Communist China, and so on -- but in fact, the attacks were motivated almost entirely by a hatred that, whatever the jealousy over Chinese economic success (though almost all killed were poor peasants), had at its base -- as Chinese survivors noted -- a large element of religious fanaticism. Somehow, it does not seem to me that the apologetics that some Westerners (especially the most soft-minded of Christian clerics, who long ago lost their old-time religion and replaced it with the Church of Western Abasement and Self-Flagellation)fairly revel in will come quite so easily to Chinese, Christians or not. Ex oriente lux.

[Posted by Hugh at December 7, 2005]

Too bad the Muslim population of China cannot be expelled and dropped off in Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Either that, or be shot for treason.

Can all Muslim countries' athletes be barred from the Olympics on the basis of these threats? It would be interesting to see what an event would look like without Islam anywhere on the horizon.

There was another uprising in China in the late seventies, reported by Peter Scholl-Latour a well known German journalist who earlier reported on the Vietnam war with a highly educated, informed angle.

Scholl-Latour reported about whole townships being razed and emptied. No Journalists were allowed to go there, nobody was allowed to take any pictures.

When there are few witnesses and no survivors its hard to detect a crime.

I recently finished "Oracle Bones" by Peter Hessler, on China. Much of it dealt with the Muslim Uighurs, whom Hessler describes as decidedly secular and unfairly suppressed by Beijing. They have some Al-Qaeda types, but they are a small minority. One of their champions was the late Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina, hardly a liberal.
Yet I agree with Hugh. China is no angel, but another independent Islamic country poses the danger of another jihadist center, something we can all do without.
Still, China has been an arms supplier to Sudan, and other radical forces. They deserve a lot of trouble for their craven foreign policy and overall fascist repression.
Long live Taiwan, the real China.

The following is my attitude, and critics be damned:

If there are a string of bombings and attacks in China perpetrated by those who are threatening those attacks, we (the West) should study the Chinese response to those attacks, and if the need arises do exactly as the Chinese. I suspect and hope that the response from the Chinese leadership will be as ruthless as modern Chinese history suggests.

In the final year or so of the Soviet Union, Gorbachev issued an order forbidding a demonstration in Moscow. The demonstration went on anyway, and nothing happened to the demonstrators. It was then that I decided that the USSR was finished.

If the Chinese government does not do something extremely drastic and completely final to these guys, it will signal to the rest of China that the Party no longer has the stomach to do whatever it takes to remain in power. Civil war will follow within a year or two at most

The Mohammedian group in the posted news story above rather better not mess with China. China has no tolerence bigtime towards Islamofacists.

This news report is not suprising because the Islamofacists have aways been a threat to the Bejing Summer Olympic Games.

Christianity is spreading rapidly through modern China on account of the younger generation of Chinese and their fascination for everything Western. Islam cannot make the same headway. China had a large dose of Islam under the Mongol Dynasty. After they were overthrown by the Ming Dynasty, the Chinese built a Wall to protect themselves from invasion.

Chinese women take pride in their appearance. Having thrown off the custom of foot-binding, does anyone imagine that any Chinese female with an iota of self respect is going to trapse around the streets of Beijing or Shanghai wearing a hijab or burka? (assuming, of course, that the authorities would allow this!)

The Chinese government has one of the best anti-terror task force in the world. I am sure the games will go on without any incidences.

Just goes to show how ignorant the Chinese Muslims are obvious not learned there history. The Chinese don't take kindly to religious fanatics whether it be the Taiping flirtation with with its gobbledegook of Christianity mumbo jumbo or the Muslims whining. The result will be the same the Chinese will suppress them if they get too irritating and the whole affair will be bloody and messy The Taiping rebellion cost 30,000,000 dead in the mid 19th century and another 20,000,000 for the various muslim uprisings towards the end of the 19th century. I hope that the Muslims don't blot there copy book at the Olympic games and cause the Chinese to lose face, because I wouldn't like to be in there shoes.

The Chinese seems to be rutless at times and other times seem to ignore these muslims. perhaps with many Chinese to feed,care, whats a a few thousand here or there to lose, this would be the communists leader's thoughts. Some of the highest numbers of people killed were done in by communists, starting with Stalin in a big way.So the Chinese can keep sending in their people from overpopulated Chinese cities to depopulate the Uighurs.

Knowing the islamic fondness for significant numbers, I think opening the Games on 08/08/08 is a crazy idea. But as noted above, let the jihadis try to disrupt the Games. The Chinese will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Holger Dansker.. actually I ***DO***.. I'd love to see China take some very repressive steps against these barbaric vermin :-)

Sorry to disagree.. it's merely a strategic disagreement. I think we agree on our ultmate aims.

china didn't mess around with Falun Gong. we'll see how chinese deal with them.

I dunno. Fascist, murderous group targets fascist, murderous government. Hmmm....really difficult to decide who is the bad guy.

China's is one of the most repressive governments in the world; of the large countries, easily the most repressive and cruelest. So while I would be sad to read about the injury or death of bystanders, I wouldn't be sad over the death of Chinese government workers. Not that this group is doubtless horrible; there are probably others where they came from.

In this case, if they are from Xinjiang, the Chinese basically have been wiping out the native people. as they have in Tibet. So, on general principles, I don't blame any group for defending itself against an implacable enemy and there's nothing wrong in taking the battle to the center of the enemy.

I have a friend who has lived in China for almost 20 years. She told me that something like 12-15 years ago, a building in Beijing was bombed. The govt immediately went to Xinjiang, took 200 young men off the streets an executed them. They will deal very, very severely with any hint of problems during the Olympics.

Slightly OT, are many of you aware that Queen Rania of Jordan is faithfully performing her da'wa on her own Youtube channel. She welcomes questions about Islam and the Arab world. Might be a good project for some of us.

Ms Pig from Australia

I have a friend who has lived in China for almost 20 years. She told me that something like 12-15 years ago, a building in Beijing was bombed. The govt immediately went to Xinjiang, took 200 young men off the streets an executed them. They will deal very, very severely with any hint of problems during the Olympics.

Slightly OT, are many of you aware that Queen Rania of Jordan is faithfully performing her da'wa on her own Youtube channel. She welcomes questions about Islam and the Arab world. Might be a good project for some of us.

Ms Pig from Australia

As soon as the news of the bombings was reported, I posted some links and history about Chinese Muslim terrorists.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/021955.php#comments

They are not just ethnic Turkestanis, called Uyghurs, but also the Hui who are ethnic Chinese Muslims. In both Yunnan (home of the Hui) and Xinjiang (home of the Uyghurs) the Chinese government has a policy of neutralizing Muslim influence by swamping these areas with non-Muslim Han Chinese.

The Muslims of both areas have been a problem for China going back to the Q'ing Dynasty. First there was the 1856 Islamic Panthay Rebellion which destroyed most of the Buddhist sites in the area. Then, between 1858 and 1868 the Muslim rebel leader Du Wenxiu, declared himself to be the Sultan of Dali, an ancient kingdom in Yunnan. He also occupied Kunming and slaughtered the remaining Lamas and monks as well as much of the ethnic Han Chinese population.

Time to re-post a little gem from the English-language press in 19th century China, on How to Deal with Jihad-Minded Muslims, which was unearthed and then shared, on this comments floor, by one of the posters, some time ago:

“If politeness and ceremony be observed toward Mohammedans, they imagine they are feared and become arrogant; but in showing severity and rudeness, they are impressed with fear and respect, and they are supple and manageable.”

--North China Herald,1867

- Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 16, 2005 4:30 AM

Enough said. This paragraph should perhaps be printed out on a postcard - could anyone suggest what picture, or pictures, or perhaps cartoons, should be on the reverse? - and sent to every member of every kafir government, and to every kafir general and every kafir police chief who is likely to have to do with Muslims, world-wide.

Only China would know how to deal with terrorist muslims. The world needs to watch China and learn.

"But when it comes to Xinjiang, it might be necessary at least for the short term for Infidels simply swallow any scruples and be on the side of China, even ruthless Communist China, imposing the will of the people of Han on the people of Hui, or something like that." posted by Hugh above.

I completely agree with Hugh's prescription for dealing with Muslims in China, but as Provoslavni points out above, the Uighurs of Xinjing and the Hui of Ningxia, Shaanxi, Gansu, Shanxi, Yunnan, etc. are 2 different ethnic groups. The Uighurs are a Turkic group racially distinct from the Han, while the Hui are basically Han Chinese Muslims. The Uighurs speak a Turkic language completely unrelated to Chinese, while the Hui speak Chinese. So the people of Xinjing are not the people of "Hui". That's like saying the people of Algeria are the people of the Kurds. I recommend that Hugh correct that posting so as not to appear ignorant or ethnically biased.

If I were the Chinese there is one place, and one place only, that I would be guarding 24/7.

The Three Gorges Dam.

Since these terrorists have promised innovative terror this time perhaps Dumbledoresarmy is on to something.

Seyfullah said the group bombed two public buses in Shanghai on May 5 and "took action against police" in Wenzhou on July 17 with a tractor loaded with explosives.

The group also bombed a plastic factory in Guangzhou on July 17 and bombed three public buses in Yunnan on July 21, according to IntelCenter.
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These Islamic terrorists seem to be following the same pattern as in the rest of the world. I had long heard that Muslim "unrest" in China was localized in the Uigyer south-west, like the bus bombings in Yunnan Province.

Well, it looks as though they have branched out. Shanghai and Wenzhou are prosperous cities on the eastern seaboard, and Guangzhou is the province just north of Hong Kong on the mainland, and is the site of many modern factories and China's IT sector. These are *not* regions with any significant Muslim population--this is another example of "economic jihad". Of course, that is also what any attack on the Summer Olympics would be, also.

I am no fan of repressive communist China (despite some economic reforms there is no real freedom), but this jihad activity is following exactly the same pattern as elsewhere in the world.

It doesn't ultimately matter to Muslims whether they are attacking "Zionists", or "Crusaders", or "Polytheists" or "Unbelievers" of whatever stripe--their aims and methods are little different.

There are an estimated 25 million Muslims in China. There are the non-Han Muslims, mostly of Turkic ethnicity, such as the Uighur; and the Hui, who are Muslims of Chinese (Han) ethnicity.

The Hui are - to look at - indistinguishable from other Han Chinese.

They are found in most provinces of China - but particularly in Ningxia and Gansu. My source says that 2% of the population of Beijing Municipality was estimated to be Hui.

I would see the Hui as far, far more dangerous than the Turkic Muslims, precisely because they are not as localised, and seem to me to be more likely to be able to conceal their Muslim identity until in a position to commit absolute mayhem.