All in order to comport with the right wing's "own tawdry obsession with Islam." "Muslims under renewed attack in UK, from Mathaba, July 29:
The National Union of Students (NUS) has joined Muslims in criticizing a report on 'Islam on Campus', while a new Channel Four television documentary on the Holy Qu'ran has been widely accused of being 'misleading and defamatory'.This, of course, is the report that found, among other things, that 1/3 of UK Muslims believe killing in the name of Islam is "justifiable," and that 40% want sharia implemented in Britain.NUS president Wes Streeting said the Islam on Campus report by the Center for Social Cohesion was a 'reflection of the biases and prejudices of a right wing think tank -- not the views of Muslim students across Britain'.
"Only 632 Muslim students were asked vague and misleading questions, and their answers were then wilfully misinterpreted in order to fit this organisation's own tawdry obsession with Islam," Streeting said."This report actually undermines cohesion and the joint efforts of students, institutions and government in tackling violent extremism," he said.
The Federation of Student Islamic Societies (FOSIS) in the UK and Eire damned the report as an attack on Britain's two million Muslim community by 'elements within the academic arena whose only purpose seems to be the undermining of sincere efforts'.
"The report is methodologically weak, it is unrepresentative and above all serves only to undermine the positive work carried out by Islamic Societies across the country," said FOSIS president Faisal Hanjra.
"Muslim students have had a tough time since the dreadful attacks on 7/7, they have faced numerous challenges with courage and perseverance, it is evident that those challenges have yet to go away," Hanjra said.
But he warned that 'the message though to those who seek to cause this mischief is clear, we will not be deterred, our work will continue and the results of our efforts are clear for all to see'.
The report coincided with a documentary on the Holy Qur'an, which launched a week of television coverage of Islam, but which was also criticized for making 'seriously inaccurate statements'.
Criticisms that the program was 'misleading, even defamatory' led Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, to warn that 'specific misrepresentations' could damage cohesion between Muslim communities.
They should issue a fatwa forthwith, calling for all those who misleadingly represent Mohammedans as violent to be slaughtered.
The questions were "vague" and "misleading"? But the questions were not given, as some reports say, to the uneducated and the illiterate, those who did not know English. The questions were asked of Muslims attending university, ahd who could reasonably be expected to be the least likely group of Muslims to have misunderstood the questions, to have been misled by them, even if we were to pretend to take seriously such an obviously tendentious charge about the poll that is now being made by Muslims, stung at the way Infidels are reacting, and rightly.
They claim the questions were vague and misleading. But did not give a single example. I call B-S.
Does anyone have the questions?
Here's the complete survey (pdf, 126 pages):
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
Translation: "We're going to sue you and tell you what to say from now on. If you don't step to we'll have to kill you, and that will be your own fault."
But it will work because we're (Dar-al-Harb) a lot stupider than we think we are -- witness Ikhwan stooges using our legal terminology against us, terms they would jettison for sharia.
Id like examples of the "misleading" questions.
IF this is what muslims who are "guests" in my country think, then i suggest they leave.
Only a matter of time before the bulldog bites back!!!
Elric66,
I dug them up, so you don't have to.
"And how supportive, if at all, would you be of the official introduction of Shari'ah law into British law for Muslims in Britain?"
(40% were "very" or "fairly" supportive)
"And are there parts of Shari'ah law (for example punishments like stoning or lashing etc.) that you think should be modernised for use in Britain?" [actually that is slightly misleading - what would "modernised stoning" consist of? - Y]
(34% said "yes, some parts should be modernised for use in Britain)
How supportive, if at all, would you be of the introduction of a worldwide Caliphate based on Shari'ah law?
(33% were "very" or "fairly" supportive)
"In your understanding, how acceptable is it for men and women to associate freely in Muslim society?"
(40% "not very" or "not at all" acceptable)
"Is it ever justifiable to kill in the name of religion?"
(4% "yes, in order to preserve and promote that religion", 28% "yes, but only if that religion is under attack")
...etc.
On that basis, I'd say there's very little that was "vague and misleading" about the questions.
Question to any statisticians reading though: is "only 632" a valid criticism?
"Question to any statisticians reading though: is "only 632" a valid criticism?"
Posted by: Yaffle [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 29, 2008 10:48 AM
I'm no statistician however this not a new question.
The number used in any survey will always come under fire. It does all the time in the US. But overall, it is inconsequential since the numbers seems to be more or less in line with polls taken of muslims in the ME. The truth hurts. There are two basics schools operating here. One school doesn't want the truth out because it could set back their plans. The second school just doesn't want to believe they are a part of one the most bloodiest religions ever, if not THE Bloodiest ever.
"... tawdry obsession with Islam."
Alas, were that even this were only so.
Almost any single instance poll can be criticized in this way but 632 'Muslim' students is not a small number. It's value is no better and no worse than most political surveys. Not perfect but not to be simply dismissed in this manner.
"And are there parts of Shari'ah law (for example punishments like stoning or lashing etc.) that you think should be modernised for use in Britain?" [actually that is slightly misleading - what would "modernised stoning" consist of? - Y]
Modernized stoning would use a device like a tennis-ball machine while the stoning would take place in a sanitized chamber out of public view (except a few witnesses) and a doctor would be on hand to make sure the physical effect followed sharia regulations:
Article 104 defines the size of stones and states that the stones should not be so large that the person dies upon being hit by one or two of them, nor should they be so small that they cannot be called a stone.
http://academic.reed.edu/poli_sci/faculty/rejali/rejali/articles/lapidation.htm
DenverRodeo,
Thanks for filling that gap in my knowledge. Mechanised stoning! Now I've heard everything.
Y
No different than all the other well-worn examples of dissimulation practiced by Muslims...you know, how the violence of the Quran and Hadith are "taken out of context"..."changed in translation"...etc.
Furthermore, the argument so prevalent in other quarters is advanced once again: 'exposition of existing realities and currents within the ummah only serves to undermine the fight against extremism'...i.e., better to pretend all is well in the hopes that it will become so.
What's truly pathetic is that NUS is not a Muslim organization...it's simply controlled by compliant dhimmis dutifully worshiping at the alter of multiculturalism.
Thanks Yaffle, not misleading at all. Just the standard taqiyya put out by Muslim groups.
We infidels seem to be totally stupid by the reckoning of Koranists-we're always misinterpreting their words and deeds. Next thing you know they'll be saying 9/11 and 7/7 were acts of love by Koranists toward infidels that we have "misinterpreted". It sure is getting old to hear this as a blanket excuse every single time Koranists are caught saying or doing something outrageous.
Would the NUS please invite every Islamic organisation from every university to a convention in which gay rights and homophobia are discussed.
Let's see how many turn up.
I've constructed polls and it is absurd for anyone to conclude that this poll is not solid. It is yet another example of Muslim leaders being unwilling to face any criticism, even if based on the truth.
"Significant minorities of Muslim students
– and particularly younger ones – support violence in the name of Islam,
endorse punishing Muslim apostates “in accordance with the Sharia” and believe
that men and women are not equal in the eyes of Allah and should not be treated
equally."
This is the real rub of the survey since it reveals that within UK Islamic communities there is a significant minority which hold values which are an anathema to UK society. There is no mutual group or compromise with such values, and since there is a clear element of violence associated with them, tolerance is not an option. Sure if they were old Mennonites which hold sexist views of men and women, there would be no problem. The problem of murderously devote Muslims, even if a minority is a problem which can only be dealt with through a concerted Muslim and non-Muslim effort to limit immigration from countries with these forms of Islam and the expulsion of Muslims who hold these views. Those who hold these views must be hammered on the head by UK society whenever they express these toxic views. It is really the job of the media, with the government standing by free speech, to ensure that adequate criticism is heaped upon such violently espoused views.
Wouldn't that be "Centre for Social Cohesion" in the UK? Not "Center". That's an American spelling.
"We infidels seem to be totally stupid by the reckoning of Koranists-we're always misinterpreting their words and deeds. "
From Islamforlosers above.
We are. We are putting up with them. Still. We still allow them to migrate, We are stoopid because we still allow them to build mosques and even pay for madrassas in our countries and even in theirs.
How bad does it have to become before we see internment and deportation?
Lets not forget the National Union of Students is the usual front for the usual deluded Marxist rabble. Who rather than protecting, or promoting the needs of their students, spend their time promoting their anti-western Communist agenda, under the name of peace and harmony of course.
They don't like the survey, well Marxism and truth are infrequent bedfellows, don't you know.
I got this blog link from the crappola site linked from the site that hosted that Muslim article, check this out for some vintage islamofascism and anti-semitism: http://www.flyingimam.com/
According to this piece of garabge,the Jews control the Pope too. Of course, he is just a spokesman for the poor oppressed Muslims busy undermining Europe.
"Muslim students have had a tough time since the dreadful attacks on 7/7, they have faced numerous challenges with courage and perseverance, it is evident that those challenges have yet to go away," Hanjra said.
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What gall. No concern for the families of the 7/7 bombing victims. You hear this all the time about 9/11, also. If someone were to read these passages with no prior knowledge of the events, they would assume that 3/7, and 7/7, and 9/11 were some sort of attrocities visited upon Muslims, instead of what they are--unprovoked attacks by radical Muslims.
more:
Criticisms that the program was 'misleading, even defamatory' led Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, to warn that 'specific misrepresentations' could damage cohesion between Muslim communities.
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Would that happen with other groups? If some silly show on PBS said that Catholics were known to dislike Mormons, would Mormons turn on Catholics as a result? If the Channel 4 said that Church of England adherents looked down their noses at Methodists, would it damage "social cohesion" between Christian communities?
I think it is more likely that Bari simply doesn't want any more bad press about divisions in Islam repeated where the Infidels can hear them. Certainly, the Sunni don't need the BBC to convince them that massacring Shi'ite pilgrims is a good idea, nor do Shi'ites need the BBC to remind them to oppress the Amadiya. They do just fine on their own.
Poll reveals extremism amongst Muslims, therefore poll is flawed - say Muslims.
Gosh! Who could have predicted that?
A bit like:
Poll reveals drunks drink too much, therefore poll is flawed - say drunks.
Or:
Poll reveals bears relieve themselves in the woods, therefore poll is flawed - say bears.
I, nabi ZK, read the poll and it is straightforward. The questions on religion and killing people were clear and unambiguous. What is all this tripe about misleading? Am I, nabi ZK, the nabified one, really quite nabific and all, not to take away from our other great prophets such as nabi UG and the prophet Geoff, they are really super nabific too, missing something here?
nabi ZK