Yet, oddly, she herself has only worn it once, to experiment. "Behind the veil lives a thriving Muslim sexuality," by Naomi Wolf for the Sydney Morning Herald, August 30:
A woman swathed in black to her ankles, wearing a headscarf or a full chador, walks down a European or North American street, surrounded by other women in halter tops, miniskirts and short shorts. She passes under immense billboards on which other women swoon in sexual ecstasy, cavort in lingerie or simply stretch out languorously, almost fully naked. Could this image be any more iconic of the discomfort the West has with the social mores of Islam, and vice versa?Not really. More "iconic of the discomfort the West has with the social mores of Islam" are probably things like child-marriages, polygamy, men divorcing wives through text messaging, and so forth.
Ideological battles are often waged with women's bodies as their emblems, and Western Islamophobia is no exception. When France banned headscarves in schools, it used the hijab as a proxy for Western values in general, including the appropriate status of women. When Americans were being prepared for the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban were demonised for denying cosmetics and hair colour to women; when the Taliban were overthrown, Western writers often noted that women had taken off their scarves.And here I thought the Taliban was demonised for, among other things, stoning women, terrorizing anyone defying them, and (almost forgot) harboring the planners of 9/11, which slew some 3,000 people. Didn't realize it was all about cosmetics. At any rate, Wolf should be pleased to know that, despite all that, the world has already been asked to recognize the Taliban's humanity.
But are we in the West radically misinterpreting Muslim sexual mores, particularly the meaning to many Muslim women of being veiled or wearing the chador? And are we blind to our own markers of the oppression and control of women?[...]Wolf should be pleased to know that none other than Osama bin Laden is in strong agreement with her. Says the latter, "You [Americans] are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women."
Outside the walls of the typical Muslim households that I visited in Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt, all was demureness and propriety. But inside, women were as interested in allure, seduction and pleasure as women anywhere in the world.[...]Indeed, many Muslim women I spoke with did not feel at all subjugated by the chador or the headscarf. On the contrary, they felt liberated from what they experienced as the intrusive, commodifying, basely sexualising Western gaze.[...]
I experienced it myself. I put on a shalwar kameez and a headscarf in Morocco for a trip to the bazaar. Yes, some of the warmth I encountered was probably from the novelty of seeing a Westerner so clothed; but, as I moved about the market - the curve of my breasts covered, the shape of my legs obscured, my long hair not flying about me - I felt a novel sense of calm and serenity. I felt, yes, in certain ways, free.
Got that everyone? Taliban, morally upright; Western women, controlled and oppressed; the hijab and burqa, means of freedom. If you're in the habit of reading Islamist propaganda, this piece should suffice for today.
Feminism is indeed dead. Its gone from bra burning to hijab donning.
I have a great fetish-I like being handcuffed. This makes me feel so free. Maybe I should be arrested a lot to attain such "freedom".
This statement is no more ridiculous than the one
about the hijab. I'm really beginning to think there are physical differences in the brain structures of Koranists and infidels.
This disgusting piece by Naomi Wolf is typical lofty fantasy on the part of liberal intellectuals, for whom the West is always bad, other cultures are always wiser and underappreciated, and white men are always driven by violence and misogyny.
If Ms. Wolf and her fellow (pardon my sexist language - I can't help it, I'm a white man) academics think Islamic culture is so admirable and desirable, why doesn't she throw on a veil and move to Iran or Afghanistan or England?
"Indeed, many Muslim women I spoke with did not feel at all subjugated by the chador or the headscarf. On the contrary, they felt liberated from what they experienced as the intrusive, commodifying, basely sexualising Western gaze."
Whatever the "western gaze" is, it must be better than the "Taliban gaze" that results from Taliban seeing a woman with any visible skin, which is followed by the "Taliban terrifying chase" and the "Taliban beating to a bloody pulp".
I, too have worn hijab--But it was my choice, and religion had nothing to do with it.
There is an element, mentioned long ago on this site, of "portable seclusion", and that can be attractive, when one is stressed, and wants to be left alone. It's like being incognito, to the world around you--a kind of armor.
The key here is the matter of choice. I'm a Protestant, and my flavor of Protestantism doesn't concern itself with my clothing. I don't wear hijab, these days, and I didn't for very long, to start with.
My aim was not to please Allah. I didn't know much about that form of Satan, back then. My aim was not to please any man, for there was no man in my life. My aim was to experiment with self-comforting, on an adult level. I thought I'd look kinda stupid, sucking my thumb, after all...
Ausinfidel,
Perfect comment! Aboriginal people in all tropical countries were completely "free" to go without much of anything until they met folks like this barbarian. A broiling bag makes so much sense, you see.
Poor Naomi Wolf and the ignorant simps who let her write for them. What a bunch of hogwash.
As a Western woman I'm getting a little tired of being labeled by Muslims, (whose men can't seem to keep their mind out of their pants,) as slutty, debauched, provocative, whatever. What crap. My friends and I dress appropriately and tastefully and I honestly don't think about whether this is upsetting some man or not. It has to do with projection. I project confidence, rational modesty, good humor and welcome to my fellow human beings. I was brought up that way and unlike Muslims who apparently have to depend on a scarf, a tablecloth or a Hefty Bag to make themselves feel safe from sexual urges, my protection is a clear conscience, a good mind and an ability to make decisions about my actions and myself that enhance my life experiences. Because of those life experiences I've learned what works and what doesn't and which actions make me happy and which ones don't. I use my head, not some outward material that has no power to protect me.
Naomi Wolf has always written with an air of condescending superiority, as if she knows better than the rest of us. I've always found her to be a bit of a fool, but since she spews the right party line and drinks the right brand of Kool-Aid I guess she'll be around for a long time. (Sigh.)
If the hijab and other types of Islamic dress are so "liberating" why have women been raped or murdered for the "offense" of not wearing the hijab? Like the two Christian women who were shot dead for not wearing the hijab in Gaza. Or women who have been murdered and mutilated for wearing "Western" clothing in Iraq.Certainly if the hijab was really liberating women would choose to wear it, no woman would have to be forced to wear it.
"Naomi Wolf has always written with an air of condescending superiority, as if she knows better than the rest of us."--Isabellathecrusader
There isn't an original thought in that article. It reads as though every line came from typical Muslim apologist talking points.
Maureen Dowd of the New York Times repeated the same nonsense after a trip to Saudi Arabia (in 2002?) that the Saudis offered her following her criticism of their treatment of women.
Ms. Wolf can probably take credit for one line in the article; the one she attributes to a Muslim woman that sounds like it came directly from her. Do women in Muslim countries really speak in these terms:
"When I wear Western clothes, men stare at me, objectify me, or I am always measuring myself against the standards of models in magazines, which are hard to live up to - and even harder as you get older, not to mention how tiring it can be to be on display all the time. When I wear my headscarf or chador, people relate to me as an individual, not an object; I feel respected."
It isn't even worth fisking this article. Naomi Wolf is a complete fool, her self-righteousness only outdone by her ignorance. If her ideas were taken seriously by more than a few mindless followers, she would be dangerous to women around the world and Western efforts to resist jihad.
Did you guys notice a strange thing in the article? I'll show it by quoting two parts side by side:
"Outside the walls of the typical Muslim households that I visited in Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt..."
"Indeed, many Muslim women I spoke with did not feel at all subjugated by the chador or the headscarf. On the contrary, they felt liberated from what they experienced as the intrusive, commodifying, basely sexualising Western gaze.[...]"
Here's my question: what kind of "Western gaze" are all these Muslim women hiding from in places like "Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt"? Naomi Wolf doesn't get it: Muslim women are covered up to protect them from Muslim men.
"And are we blind to our own markers of the oppression and control of women?[...]"
29 years of being an American woman. The only time I feel oppressed? When Indiana University refuses to do anything about the way I'm constantly accosted and harassed by Muslims who repeatedly demonstrate their lack of a kindergarten education, civility, and humanity, and who have no business being here, thus violating my Title VII rights because I'm American, a woman, and Jewish/non-Muslim. Until that started happening it never occurred to me that there would ever be anything I couldn't do, but now I have to wait for somebody to come and take me to class because I'm apparently not 29 and living in America anymore, but rather I'm 5 and living in Saudi Arabia/Indiana Third Reich Universitystan.
For Muslim women in the West to wear those Dark-Age Nazi slave rags is like Jews walking around in America today with their heads shaved, starving themselves, and wearing Nazi concentration camp prison uniforms. They do it to creep us out and let us know they want us dead and they have no respect for our culture. I regard it as infinitely more offensive than a swastika and I'm half-Jewish.
I wonder if the covered-up women of Cairo feel as liberated, having donned their portable tents, thinking themselves invulnerable to the hormonally overcharged Mohammedan males who grope them, maul them, harass them, yes, even rape them. The veil doesn't protect them at all. Surprise, surprise! Islam is a men's club. The Koran is a giant contract, with lots of loopholes, and women are not welcome.
The veil does not make muslim women feel free. The American Constitution makes them feel free.
Let's see how free that veil would make them feel in Saudia Arabia.
The sadist thing about this nonsense is that it made it into the pages of a widely-read paper like the SMH. MSM strikes again.
"For Muslim women in the West to wear those Dark-Age Nazi slave rags is like Jews walking around in America today with their heads shaved, starving themselves, and wearing Nazi concentration camp prison uniforms. They do it to creep us out and let us know they want us dead and they have no respect for our culture. I regard it as infinitely more offensive than a swastika and I'm half-Jewish."
BINGO.
Every time I see a Muslim woman in her get up pushing several small children around my favorite market with her ZZ Top-wanna-be-bearded husband in tow, I want to go up to her and tell her that I know what her plan is, that I understand her agenda, that of course she doesn't have to come to the store like that but I know why she does.
It was so nice last week to be in Wilmington, NC where they've never heard of a niqab or a jilbab or any of that crap. Not a Hefty Bag in sight the whole week! It was also nice to be around very polite native Southern men. One gentleman accidentally bumped into my friend when we were walking up into a restaurant and he didn't see her as he was coming down the switchback ramp. His apology was effusive and very considerate of my friend's feelings and in that oh so charming Southern lilt. I told her that I just love it when Southern men do that. If they can, why can't Muslim's?
Good grief, surrounded? Surrounded? Is this "woman swathed in black" at the beach in July? Or on the corner of 14th & K at 11:00 pm? When I walk down the street, I'm just don't find myself "surrounded" by scantily clad women. Sure, there are some. But there are also the Goths in their black, the businesswomen in their professional attire, the moms in their comfort attire, the grandmothers in their white cardigan sweaters, maybe even a few of those dangerous Christian fundamentalists in their dresses. Those in "halter tops" etc., just seem to be a minority where I am here in North America, even during the dog days of August.
Naomi Wolf is a self-described "writer." She writes about Pressing Issues of the day. She needs topics. She's found a topic. She writes her book Someone may read it. And then it disappears, the insect of an hour. That's her life. That's it.
For her next trick, Naomi Wolf will undergo genital mutilation, while having battery acid poured over her face.
Then she can come back and tell us all how liberating that is.
I hope she remembered to hang on to her burka though, she might feel the need of it....
And just think of the money she will save on lipstick and haircuts, and that bloody face cream that Jayne Fonda tries to make us buy " because we're worth it"...
This canard about western women running around the streets with next to nothing on is becoming vexatious. Qutb was bleating about American women for this very thing, in the 1940s, having attended a Church social evening. The girls weren't exactly bare-arsed then.
They cite the dress and high spirited antics of our young girls. They are lying. That isn't what they are really scared of.
What they hate is the freedom and self reliance our girls, women, and old ladies enjoy. The right to earn a living, drive a truck, control fertility, inherit wealth, vote, marry, divorce, buy a house, join the armed forces, change religion, run a business, keep a farm, hold a passport, go to law, control their own medical treatment, make a will.
We don't allow our cats to do that.
They don't allow their women to do that.
They are scared of our ideology, because it might make their own women get revolutionary ideas about emancipation and human rights.
They are scared of us.
Yikes! The neanderthals will be sh__ting a purple twinkie when they find out Sarah Palin is the choice for VP on the McCain ticket. Smart, well dressed, gorgeous, sensitive but doesn't take any prisoners when it comes to cleaning up corruption, and an NRA member to boot. The guys at CAIR must be crying in their goat milk.
Poor Obama. We hardly knew ye.
Naomi Wolf has been around for awhile.
She's an anti-feminist. She's an idiot.
Pay no attention to stupid Naomi Wolf.
True feminists, such as Oriana Fallaci (Italian) and Phyllis Chesler (American), wouldn't give her the time of day.
Here's my question: what kind of "Western gaze" are all these Muslim women hiding from in places like "Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt"? Naomi Wolf doesn't get it: Muslim women are covered up to protect them from Muslim men.
Posted by: DenverRodeo
DenverRodeo, I thought the same thing.
As we have seen time and time again, it is muslim men, not Western men, who can't control themselves around "uncovered meat".
Read the entire article if you can stomach it. Wolf really puts down Western men and women and praises the (ugh) sexuality of muslims to the sky.
Most muslim woman like dressing the way they do any you racist better get use to the way muslim womam dress as there will be more woman dress that way.
What does race have to do with dressing like a Hefty Bag?
Most Muslim woman like not getting the shit beat out of them or being accused of being whores by insecure defenders of Islam. It has nothing to do with liking to dress in a trash bag.
Oh, and now that we have a viable candidate for Vice President on the Republican ticket and since folks are becoming more and more disillusioned with Obama, especially as they discover his ties to Islam, it's looking good that Muslims and everybody else who lives here will soon be governed by a woman VP.
Better get used to it.
Send her to Saudi as a fourth wife.
Since you LOVE feeling so free, why don't you move to pakistan or afghanistan so you can feel free 24/7?
What bugs me about silly things like this piece from Naomi Wolf is that it unquestioningly allows the presentation of Islam as the only solution to immodesty and associated bad taste in society.
So the hijab is "liberating," is it? Why not just dress in a manner appropriate for, say, a church function? That would more than cover (no pun intended) the criteria she described in her "experience": "... the shape of my legs obscured, my long hair not flying about me - I felt a novel sense of calm and serenity. I felt, yes, in certain ways, free."
What's missing here is the fact that the core principle of modesty is not calling attention to yourself. But then you don't have as much fun playing dress-up with "exotic" shrouds and writing self-indulgent articles about it.
Most muslim woman like dressing the way they do any you racist better get use to the way muslim womam dress as there will be more woman dress that way.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam at August 29, 2008 6:34 PM
LOL! A primitive Mohammedan male has spoken!
Hey, why don't YOU wear a black tent, you HYPOCRITE oppressive patriarchal jackass Mohammedan male? STFU.
Oh, and YOU are the "racist" - you Jew-Hater, you Christian-Hater, you Hater of anyone not Islamic AS THE KORAN SAYS AND INSTRUCTS.
ONLY Mohammedan females FORCED to dress in drapes by their insecure, cruel, ignorant and barbaric Mohammedan relatives array themselves in Hefty Bags.
Poor "Defenderofislam" - say, why don't you stay in your own Islamic country instead of living parasitically off the West? Hmmmmmmm?
"...and in that oh so charming Southern lilt. I told her that I just love it when Southern men do that. If they can, why can't Muslim's?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at August 29, 2008 2:44 PM
Because Muslim males hate females.
That is obvious in the many, many, many,(etc) ways that Mohammedan females get treated as less than camel dung by Mohammedan males.
As Misogynist Mo said: "Paradise for a woman is found under the heel of a man's foot."
I'm sure "Defenderofislam" approves of that sentiment with gusto, right, ya Barbarian?
Read the entire article if you can stomach it. Wolf really puts down Western men and women and praises the (ugh) sexuality of muslims to the sky.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at August 29, 2008 6:24 PM
I think she needs to go live in Yemen. Women who don't do the Hefty Bag thing there get bleach, or worse, acid, thrown on them.
A situation which Wolf, of course, would never dream of addressing because then she'd be insulting Mohammedans! Oh, we can't have that!
Hey Darcy,
Yeah, actually any M.E. hellhole will do. No vacation time Naomi, you actually have to live there for six months. Then come back and tell us ALL about it.
Marisol,
Good point about dressing modestly. You are exactly right, the point is to NOT draw attention to yourself. And Muslim women practically beg us to look at them. That's why whenever I'm out and I see one, especially with the whole face covering, I don't even acknowledge they're alive. And that's a shame. But if they want to be treated as human beings they should stop provoking the rest of us. Otherwise they'll be treated like exactly what they look like, bags of trash I wouldn't give the time of day to.
The following quote from the article sums up Naomi Wolf in my eyes:
"Nor are Muslim women alone. The Western Christian tradition portrays all sexuality, even married sexuality, as sinful. Islam and Judaism never had that same kind of mind-body split. So, in both cultures, sexuality channeled into marriage and family life is seen as a source of great blessing, sanctioned by God."
She spews the typical anti-Western anti-Christian talking points and concludes that Islam is good for marriage and Christianity is bad for marriage. She's a fool. She hates who and what she is. She simply hates Western Civilization.
I have just finished Carmen bin Ladin's excellent book Inside the Kingdom, and all I can say is that Naomi Wolf is more than welcome to live a decade or two as a Saudi woman.
She doesn't have a clue about the treatment of sexuality in Islam. She's just another blithering know-it-all, I-am-so-much-smarter-and-more-tolerant-than-anyone-else idiot.
Abscedere, if the hijab gives you a feeling of self-comforting when you are stressed, then hiding in seclusion from the outside world is not the answer.
There are times when people who are afflicted by shyness wish that they were invisible, and not have to deal with anyone, but "being invisible" by dressing up in a black tent does not solve the problem.
In fact it makes it worse, since in western society it makes you stand out like a sore thumb. Also you have to realise that you need to deal with your problems, not hide away from them.
Walking around in a black tent does not solve any problems.
Yikes! The neanderthals will be sh__ting a purple twinkie when they find out Sarah Palin is the choice for VP on the McCain ticket. Smart, well dressed, gorgeous, sensitive but doesn't take any prisoners when it comes to cleaning up corruption, and an NRA member to boot. The guys at CAIR must be crying in their goat milk.
Poor Obama. We hardly knew ye.
Gov Sarah Palin is also commander of the Alaska National Guard who met with her troops in Iraq long before Sen Barack Obama decided to visit Iraq.She is a hunter and a life long member of the NRA, all while being a wife and the mother of five children.Her oldest son is a member of the US Army while her youngest son is just four months old.She is symbol of just what a woman can achieve in the US or in the West in general. Contrast that with the miserable existence of women in the Islamic world.I have long disliked John McCain but I am thrilled beyond words with his selection of Gov Palin as his running mate.
Perhaps Alaskan jihadwatchers might consider putting together an 'information pack' to be presented to Sarah Palin?
Move heaven and earth to persuade her to meet Ayaan Hirsi Ali and/ or Bat Yeor and/or Wafa Sultan and/or Brigitte Gabriel and Nonie Darwish. Maybe Sen. Myrick could bring such a meeting about?
Give her their books! - especially Gabriel's, Hirsi Ali's 'Caged Virgin' and Nonie Darwish's 'Now They Call Me Infidel'.
Make sure she knows *exactly* what sharia does - totally destroys the human rights of women and non-Muslims.
Make sure she knows that classical, orthodox, Quran-Surah-Hadith Islam permits and even prescribes 1. marriage to prepubescent girls 2. forced marriage 3. marital rape 4. wife-beating 5. murder of 'apostates' from Islam 6. murder of anyone who 'blasphemes' (or in any way whatever, criticises or questions) Islam.
Tell her about: al-taqiyya, kitman, hudna, and the meaning of the Treaty of Hudaybiyya. Tell her that Islam doesn't teach the Golden Rule - show her the textual evidence.
Hey, give her John Quincy Adams' classic quotes on Islam and Jihad.
Hurry. Because I am sure the Muslim spin-doctors will be hard at work too, getting ready to pull the wool over her eyes.
Isabellathecrusader, you can borrow my 'Everyone whose prophet had sex with a 9 year old raise you Koran' shirt. Those women (who do always seem to have a stroller surgically attached to them, don't they?) understand shame and you can see it in their faces when they read the shirt. You can borrow my mace and my taser too.
Monty, will you marry me?
I dig Sarah Palin because she's a traditional Christian AND a feminist AND tough as nails, what with the National Guard and the NRA and all. Downass chick. Way for MacCain to not sell us out for once. And I was thinking about it. I would rather gamble on someone with zero foreign policy experience than say 'hit me' when you have 20 with Joe Biden, who knows what he's doing and has consistently sold America (and Israel, and Serbia, and so on and so forth) down the river at every possible venture.
"...And, more importantly, when you choose your own miniskirt and halter top - in a Western culture in which women are not so free to age, to be respected as mothers, workers or spiritual beings, and to disregard Madison Avenue - it's worth thinking in a more nuanced way about what female freedom really means."
The final paragraph in the article is especially disturbing. It reminds us that some people are so uncomfortable with the freedom of choice that they wouldn't mind having it taken away from themselves and from the rest of us.
The whole point of hijab is that it is often enforced and therefore not truly a woman's free choice. It is also a symbol to the rest of us of the wearer's likely desire that all other women be forced to wear it.
As Marisol pointed out, it is not limited to a choice between decadent West vs. pious Islam. I dress modestly. When my daughter was younger, I did not dress her up like a little tramp; as a teenager (and an atheist), she dresses modestly.
Also, I object to the Muslim definition of female modesty. I've seen hijabbed women whose entire families were wearing expensive running shoes and whose babies were in top-of-the-line baby carriages. I've seen hijabbed women who were wearing open-toed, sling-back sandals and nail polish on their toenails. (My old-fashioned father forbade me to wear such shoes or polish.) I've seen hijabbed women wearing tight jeans. I don't call any of that modesty. Besides, those are all outward symbols that do not necessarily reflect a person's character.
Note to Ms. Wolf: freedom means having the freedom to make whatever choice you like, even if it's the wrong choice and it makes your middle-aged butt look big.
Ms. Wolf's brave donning of the chador for the term of seven or eight seconds so inspired me that I wrote a small poem for her and sent it to her organization, the American Freedom Campaign (info@americanfreedomcampaign.org):
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Naomi Wolf's recent comments on the - ah - "liberating" influence of the burkha (which I'm certain no one has ever been, say, shot for not wearing: how liberated, the women of Saudi Arabia!) suggests to me a properly feminist mind blinded just ever so slightly by political correctness. It made me imagine up a poem for her, about her one round of experimentation with the burkha from behind the safety of Western humanitarianism, built up for so long to protect women from...the very thing she's trying to defend, now.
Naomi Wolf, Wolf, Wolf
Put her freedom on a shelf, shelf, shelf
But when it was too hot, hot, hot
She put it back herself.
Best regards,
Geoff Periakis
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Appropriate. Why don't you all send her the same? I know she'd appreciate the sentiment.
GeoffP
Josephine, it was never about 'modesty.' Muslim women are not to 'guard their modesty.' That is an apologist/taqiyya mistranslation. What is translated as 'modesty' is 'awrat' which means 'pudenda.' 'Guard one's awrat' means 'women are filthy, immoral, stupid creatures, whose presence in public threatens the social order of the cult. They are nothing but big, walking vaginas and they should only leave the house on the day their family pimps them away at age 11 to a 75-year-old cousin for a pack of gum, and when she dies.' It also reinforces their status as sex slaves/property to be bought and sold, like putting your jewels in a safe deposit box where nobody can see them. Female genital mutilation is just taking it one step further and putting a deadbolt on the door and taking the key away from the owner of the house, thereby making the man who owns her outright the possessor of the key. The whole point of the hijab is to imprison women and make them feel that they are dirty and evil, and to deprive them of 100% of their freedom, their dignity, their humanity, their choice, and their power. Yeah, hijab really means exactly that.
"This canard about western women running around the streets with next to nothing on is becoming vexatious." --Monty
Oh, yeah! I could gag everytime I read that. I think the solution is not to cover Muslim women, but to blindfold Muslim men!
"The neanderthals will be sh__ting a purple twinkie..." --Isabella
LMAO... I've never heard that one before! I can't wait for a chance to use it!
"Walking around in a black tent does not solve any problems."
Posted by: Voltaire
What a kind heart you have, Voltaire. Thanks for the encouraging post. You may be happy to know that I ditched the temporary hijab, on 9/11/2001.
"Hijab", strictly speaking, isn't the black Hefty bag. It's just the scarf, long trousers, or a long skirt (of any color), with a long sleeved blouse, and tennies are fine, insofar as footwear goes. Hijab is more comfortable, and allows for colors, than burqa.
No, walking around in a black tent doesn't solve anything. However, much can sometimes be solved by going camping with any other color tent ;)
"So the hijab is "liberating," is it? Why not just dress in a manner appropriate for, say, a church function? "
Well we know the answer to that, it would be "stuffy" and "repressed" like a white Christian Evangelist or Catholic. Better to cover up like an exotic ethnic Oriental.
"Most Nuslim woman like dressing the way they do ...there will be more woman dress that way." posted by DefenderofIslam
I feel very lucky to live here in the heartland - no robes, scarves, or gargabe bag attire anywhere. And it's not going to happen either.
Defenderof Islam - just you try putting a garbage bag on us strong farm women from around these parts. (Charlie is just my nickname - by the way.)
As a matter of fact - try putting a garbage bag on ANY real American woman.
There aren't going to be MORE women dressed that way - there will be less women dressed that way.
Your islamic sisters who are already here are going to get wise and, on their own, are going to stop wearing what you force them to.
"Defenderof Islam - just you try putting a garbage bag on us strong farm women from around these parts."
Miss Charlie, are you saying that American farm girls could turn D of I from a wanna-be-stallion into a gelding in no time? Don't worry about Defender, he is a girly man to the nth degree. Every time I comment on something he says he pees his pants and disappears for a few days. So much for bagging strong American women. I'd love to see him try.
Abscedere,
Yes, the old purple twinkie concept. I know it's not very nice but it's pretty darn funny and gets the point across, especially if you think in pictures.
Jdamn,
Thank you, dear. Do you really have a t-shirt that says that? If not you need to contact www.thoseshirts.com and suggest they make one like that. My favorite t-shirt from them has a picture of Che on it and says "Communism killed 100 million people and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." One of these days I'm going to buy it and wear it to a Halloween party, that is, unless you contact those guys and then I'll wear yours!
In that case, Isabella, I guess one of our PTA meetings would make him do the purple twinkie thing.
LOL and ROFL!!!
Here's a perfect summary of so-called Arab/Islamic 'morality', as represented in an Egyptian Arab B-movie viewed by John Roy Carlson in Jordan, in the 1940s:
"The film was an Egyptian tale about a Bedouin triangle in which a desert sheikh contrived to kidnap the fiancee of another sheikh the night before the wedding.
"The lover was killed and the girl murdered by her father for letting herself be kidnapped, and presumably kissed.
"As for the ending, nobody lived happily ever after.
"Thus Arab justice triumphed - for there is no greater sin in the lexicon of Arab morals than feminine unchastity.
"No one cares about the morals of the male."
[From Cairo to Damascus, p.366]
THAT is the system of 'morality' - in fact, the cruel and ugly double standard - which is represented by, and summed up in, the public 'coverup' of women, whether it be the headscarf or the burqa and niqab.
"Thus Arab justice triumphed - for there is no greater sin in the lexicon of Arab morals than feminine unchastity.
"No one cares about the morals of the male."
And this is why this insanity has been perpetrated for 1400 years, will continue until Islam is eradicated from the face of the earth and why "nobody lived happily ever after."
Cause and effect. Duh.
"Monty, will you marry me?"
Can't get away, to marry you today...
.. my husband, won't let me.
The spoilsport!
Damn!
Perhaps Alaskan jihadwatchers might consider putting together an 'information pack' to be presented to Sarah Palin?
Move heaven and earth to persuade her to meet Ayaan Hirsi Ali and/ or Bat Yeor and/or Wafa Sultan and/or Brigitte Gabriel and Nonie Darwish. Maybe Sen. Myrick could bring such a meeting about?
Give her their books! - especially Gabriel's, Hirsi Ali's 'Caged Virgin' and Nonie Darwish's 'Now They Call Me Infidel'.
Make sure she knows *exactly* what sharia does - totally destroys the human rights of women and non-Muslims.
Make sure she knows that classical, orthodox, Quran-Surah-Hadith Islam permits and even prescribes 1. marriage to prepubescent girls 2. forced marriage 3. marital rape 4. wife-beating 5. murder of 'apostates' from Islam 6. murder of anyone who 'blasphemes' (or in any way whatever, criticises or questions) Islam.
Tell her about: al-taqiyya, kitman, hudna, and the meaning of the Treaty of Hudaybiyya. Tell her that Islam doesn't teach the Golden Rule - show her the textual evidence.
Hey, give her John Quincy Adams' classic quotes on Islam and Jihad.
Hurry. Because I am sure the Muslim spin-doctors will be hard at work too, getting ready to pull the wool over her eyes.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy
Dumbledore, consider it done.
Eastview - the recent 'revelation' that Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant, gives you the perfect 'hook' to explain to Palin - or to anyone in your circle who is preparing to vote - the difference between the attitude to women in western countries, and the attitude toward women in the Islamosphere.
In practically any Islamic country, be it Arab-occupied Judea, Samaria and Gaza, or Pakistan, or Egypt, or Saudi Arabia, or Turkey, or Pakistan, or [insert names here] the discovery that one's teenage as-yet-unmarried daughter was 'expecting', would be followed in pretty short order by an 'honor' murder conducted by an execution squad consisting of any or all of the following: father, mother, grandfather, uncles, brothers, male cousins.
Whereas, what happens in America? - Palin's daughter is marrying the man involved - what might once have been called a 'shotgun wedding'? - and ...a grandchild is a grandchild is a grandchild, however and whenever conceived, and a daughter is a daughter. Life trumps 'honor' and 'shame'.