The phrase "turning in their graves" just keeps flashing in my mind, for some reason. "Flight 93 memorial design remains contentious," by Joe Mandak, for the York Daily Record, August 2:
SOMERSET, Pa.—The father of a Flight 93 victim told two groups working together on a memorial to the victims aboard the hijacked airliner that the memorial's crescent-shaped design "does not properly honor our people."It's worse than a symbol of Islam; traditionally, it has been a symbol of the power of Islam.
Tom Burnett Sr. of Northfield, Minn., objects because a crescent is commonly used as a symbol of Islam and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were carried out by Muslims who hijacked four airliners. Two crashed into the World Trade Center in New York; a third into the Pentagon near Washington, D.C.; Flight 93 crashed in rural Somerset County before reaching the hijackers' intended target.
"I've continued to voice my concerns because it does not properly honor our people, those Flight 93 heroes," Burnett said Saturday at a meeting of the commission advising the National Park Service on the design.Well, can't we get some of those people who are always quick to defend "traumatized" Muslims to represent Burnett and others? Oh wait; Burnett is not Muslim. Sorry, your feelings are not to be considered.
[...]Burnett said he wants an investigation into how architect Paul Murdoch came up with the design, the centerpiece of which is a crescent of trees that overlooks the crash site. Parks Service officials say the design isn't a crescent but a circle of embrace broken by the crash site.
Burnett was one of more than a dozen people, mostly family members of the victims, who sometimes wept as they spoke for and against the design.
Park Service officials and the vast majority of family members who like the design say it was fairly and impartially selected out of 1,100 submitted in a national contest. Burnett, who served on a jury that judged the designs, said concerns he raised about the apparent Muslim symbolism were ignored and continue to be downplayed.Since Burnett's point is -- or should be -- well taken, perhaps, just perhaps now, one of the other 1,099 designs can substitute?
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The planned memorial also includes a metal tower from which 40 wind chimes will hang. Burnett and Rawls said the tower is similar to a minaret on a mosque, and that the top of it is crescent shaped, too. Both crescents at the crash site point to the Muslim holy city of Mecca, they said.Gee, why not just go all out and add the words "Allah Akbar" on top of the memorial?
"This is a terrorist memorial mosque," Rawls said of the planned memorial.
It's probably a coincidence.
Let's be honest here, if a airliner full of Arab people was to crash in a Muslim country, no one would have any objections to a memorial in the shape of a cross, perhaps with a "spire" to hold the wind chimes, now would they?
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WTF? Unanimous? What an expletive lying coward. And this was reported - without any note of the obvious contradiction in this paper?
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From yet another link:
At least five others expressed strong concerns with this design from the start. There NEVER was unanimous consent.
Controversy Continues To Surround Plans For Flight 93 Memorial
Video report
Excellent analysis of the Islamic symbols incorporated, here:
http://www.errortheory.blogspot.com/2005/11/redesigned-flight-93-memorial-still_30.html
Personally, I'd love to know if the Architects get/got any ME contracts after designing this moral abortion. (Feel free to delete if that was libelous)
Does anyone recognize the female at the end of this video?
She states with some air of authority:
That's a bald faced lie . . .since Murdoch was the only contender who violated the only physical requirement for design - to fit the natural landform (which NEVER was a bowl).
BTW . . .the aerial images in the above linked news video reveals NO SUCH "Bowl shape" to the landscape. If anything, there is a pronounced V crevice . .. which easily could have been interpreted as a "V" for victory.
Hell, why don't we post up some phone sex numbers too just to mix it up a little. Maybe then you can just call a phone whore instead of SEETHING OVER HOW F***ING ABSURD THIS IS!!!
Design consisting of crescent and minarets to serve as memorial for Flight 93 and its self-sacrificing heroes could it be that the jerks that they are trying to honor are the jihadists that hijacked the plane after all what right did the kufers on that attacked the poor innocent muslim mujihadem to stop them sac off
Ian and Eversor obviously have no idea how deeply the proponents of MESA Nostra and other "islamist" and sharia-sympathizing groups have infiltrated the governing bodies and political institutions of the U.S. Let me assure you, anything remotely cross-shaped would be shouted down vehemently in any islamic country - why do you think there's a need for a "Red Crescent" organization in place of the Red Cross...the symbol of which is really more of a plus-sign than a cross.
As a citizen who has been part of the movement against this "crescent of betrayal" for some time, I'm indescribably pleased that JW/DW has allotted some space for it. A venue as far-reaching as this one is invaluable.
For those scoffers, you should do some investigation. If you do, I'm certain that you will see, as I and so many others have, that there is no way that all of this symbolism is accidental or coincidental. You will see that this memorial is an insult to the memory of those who gave their lives on Flight 93 in order to stop the hijackers from killing an untold quantity of Americans. And you will support, actively or not, the effor to stop the crescent of betrayal from being built.
Thanks Raymond for your post.
~GdB
Islamic fundamentalists have been waging a terror campaign for half a century. At first, it has largely gone unnoticed. Marine Barracks, PanAm 103, First WTC Bombing, Khobar Towers, African Embassies, USS Cole were nothing more than distant incidents for most Americans. On September 11, 2001 it hit home. If most of Americans of the last generation remember where they were when Kennedy was shot, we all remember where we were when the second plane hit. And we knew: we are at war. We can call it the War on Terror, the War for the Free World, the War with Islamic Fascism, it doesn’t really matter. We all know who the enemy is. It’s Islamic radicals who are guided by the ideology of Islamic supremacy. Just as Nazis were guided by the ideology of Aryan supremacy. The only difference is that Gihadis consider it their religious duty to impose Islam all over the world and many of them yearn to die (and kill) for Allah. They use lines from the Koran such as “kill them [infidels] wherever you find them” or “slay the idolaters wherever you find them” as their guiding principles. I won’t get into lengthy theological explanation whether or not those lines are taken out of context or whether or not they only apply to specific historical events; it doesn’t matter. What matters is that Islamic fundamentalist believe that killing or subjugating infidels is their religious duty and they act accordingly. Some of you may be surprised why a Muslim would be speaking so harshly about his coreligionists. May I remind you, that Islamic radicals murder more Muslims than Christians, Jews, Hindus and everybody else combined. Gihadis may hate you for being infidels. But they really hate us for not following their demented dogma. And our attempts to reform Islam do not earn us much love either.
I would like to address the issue of Islamic symbolism in the proposed design. The shape of the “broken circle” resembles a crescent moon. So does the shape of the tower. Crescent moon is the most recognizable Islamic symbol. When we pray, we face Mecca and Mosques are traditionally built to face Mecca. The case could be made that the proposed design is aligned in North-Easterly direction, which corresponds with Qiblah, a direction to Mecca. Conventional wisdom would dictate that since Mecca is located to the South-East of Somerset, Qiblah cannot possibly have a North-Easterly direction. This assumption would be correct if you’re using a flat map. However, if you take a globe, place pins on locations of Somerset and Mecca, and connect those pins with a string, you’ll see that string at the base of Somerset pin points North-East. This symbolism may not be noticeable to a non-Muslim, and it is also possible, but likely improbable that the designer is ignorant of its significance. The proposed design would be perfect for EgyptAir 990 memorial. But for United 93 memorial, it is simply unacceptable.
On September 11, 2001 Americans came together. Conservatives and Liberals, Democrats and Republicans, Left and Right. We came together... For about two weeks. Then most of us fell back into complacency and political correctness. The very fact that Islamic symbolism is considered to be included in the memorial to the victims of Islamic terrorism proves it better than anything else.
In 2001 Islamofascist terrorists hijacked Flight 93 murdering 40 people on board. There were no Muslim people on that flight. There were Islamofascist terrorists. What possible reason could be there for including anything Islamic or anything even resembling an Islamic symbol into Flight 93 Memorial? Inclusion of Islamic symbols memorializes murderers who brought down the plane and is tantamount to spitting in the faces of victims and their families. United Airlines Flight 93 was hijacked in 2001. Let's not allow hijacking of Flight 93 Memorial in 2008. We, as Americans, owe it to the heroes of Flight 93!
The longer we resist Islam the longer its day of reconging is delayed.
The Lord will not allow a world with out the chance of redemption to exsist.
Sure it will be painfull and their will be blood but in the end.
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The longer we resist Islam the longer its day of reckoning is delayed.
The Lord will not allow a world without the chance of redemption to exist.
Sure it will be painful and their will be blood but in the end.
"Burnett was one of more than a dozen people, mostly family members of the victims, who sometimes wept as they spoke for and against the design."
One understands - for obvious reasons - the passion of those opposed to the design, but who could possibly have felt so passionately IN FAVOR of it that they wept? Is it that aesthetically pleasing?
Let's just say, Cornelius, that the much touted aesthetic achievements of the monument design are unctuous at best. The thing is like a big blockbuster Hollywood movie: all special effects and sensational scenes with little substance or meaning. It doesn't stack up against real art, or even against a nice simple monument that actually honors those it memorializes. The Flight 93 monument plan honors primarily architect Paul Murdoch and his supporters, and it is a shrine not to American heroism, but to New Age relativist hooey.
But the supporters aren't crying because they so love the design. They're crying because they just want it over--especially the families of the victims. By now everyone is incredulous that it's got to this point--organized and effective protest on one side, implacability on the other.
Let's just hope Alec Rawls and Tom Burnett made some headway today.
There have been enough tears shed all around.
Architecture is experiencing the same sort of aesthetic, moral and intellectual rot that is permeating most of the other disciplines.
Architecture schools take students and kill their sense of proportion and aesthetics so they end up designing post-modern pieces of crap that would make a heroin addict vomit.
Stuff that no one wants to work in or look at too long because its butt ugly.
Just look at the proposed replacement for the WTC - it looks like something designed by someone on a bad acid trip and yet was designed by one of the most prestigious architect firms around.
James Kunstler at:
www.kunstler.com
has numerous examples of it called eyesore of the month.
One of the primary backers behind this is the Heinz Kerry Foundation. The philanthropy of Theresa Heinz Kerry. The wife of John Kerry, Dem, Mass. And the reason for the intimidation tactics underlying the arrogance of the answers from these spokesmouth's for authority.
The deals are done you see, and all of this staging of 'concerns' is just that, staging by the authorities because the decision has been made; and the 'airing' out of said concerns is really just another opportunity to dismiss such concerns and banish them to the lunatic fringe.
Sad isn't it. Yet right before our eyes we see it. The father who has seen the truth; five others who shall not be named; a band of so called zealots who have 'uncovered conspiracy' gasp; and a 'firebrand street preacher' (yes, I'm not kidding, they came up with this previously from a local story and not in the above articles).
When the original controversy came out, Eric Hyle wrote a column denouncing it in the right leaning Pittsburgh newspaper. I e-mailed him and told him that he was brave to speak truth to power. He wrote back joking that he knew it, thanks. Within a couple days Heinz Kerry was quoted as saying that criticism came from 'that' paper - Oh yeah, I get it; dismissing it as political hodge-podge.
The left leaning newspaper in the city although recognizing the controversy took the 'dismissive' line - the editors said later that they discussed the issue and saw no relevance.
(This editor bit coming from the 'zealot' or rather patriot, who put together the evidence for us all in graphic detail, of whom we should all be in debt - I wonder what this has cost him personally? - And in fact has written an e-book (PDF) about his findings. I have read it, it is a very interesting look into political stonewalling to say the least).
The H.J. Heinz Corporation is an international company, global in its scope; It's market share increase for its shareholders is to be found overseas. You connect the dots.
What does two and two ad up to? Favors and bartering. Our benefactors right?!
For God's sake only Tom Tancredo inquired about this. No one else. You know, that right-wing-out-there-extreme-kind-of-guy?
I wrote compelling letters to two powerful Democratic senators from my state, and then a Republican memeber of the House, got nothing.
And the sad fact is that this is not a left-right issue, it's about bartering and favors, you do this for me, I'll do this for you; or rather I'll shut up about this for you.
Nobody is going to stand up for this, powerful and proud toes are involved; Our only hope is the media, God help us.
Somebody get Savage's attention on this please. I tried.
"The Flight 93 monument plan honors primarily architect Paul Murdoch and his supporters, and it is a shrine not to American heroism, but to New Age relativist hooey." Haid
This is true. Fellow-travelers. This is an outreach, not a memorial. An outreach not so much for us, oh we're included, nice monument an all, grieving families placated, good deed, blah.
It's for themselves, saying: Look, you hit us, we hit you; but see? We've turned it around, let's be friends and work together in this; you build Mosques here? we build condiment factories in Bahrain. Capesca?
Sorry, It's Heinz Foundation. Mistype.
Outrageous. This "monument" should have never been even considered, much less built. This ridiculous, insane, suicidal pandering to Mohammedan demands and whining will not continue indefinitely. What non-Mohammedans discuss with friends and family in the privacy of their homes is very different from what is written in newspapers or spoken in the presence of Mohammedan colleagues, so let the Mohammedans enjoy this charade while it lasts. It will all end before Mohammedans become a majority or a significant minority in the West, and then, if history is any indicator, woe to the Mohammedans.
"One of the most egregious and insulting aspects of this design is that it memorializes not only the forty innocent and heroic victims of Flight 93 by assigning a glass block to each victim, but it serves to memorialize each of the four hijackers with four additional glass blocks."
I don't know how credible the source is, but here's the link. I wonder how often the designers of this part of the memorial expect these four glass blocks to have to be replaced?
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/flt93072607
Obscenity placed atop atrocity!
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The ultimate slap in the face for the Ummah would be to build, on the WTC site, the mother of all Cathedrals; with a glorious spire or a bell tower as tall as, or taller than, the original twin towers. Give it a splendid ring of bells; and surround it with a garden.
Dedicate it in memory of All Souls - and explain that you have in mind not only those who were murdered on September 11th in New York (these would have a dedicated chapel) but ALL kafir who have perished at the hands of Jihadists - not only Christian victims, but ALL victims sacrificed on the bloodstained altar of 'allah' - from the 7th century to the 21st. Include a Martyrs' Chapel: with beautiful windows and icons honouring the Armenians, the Copts, the Greeks, the Serbs, the Assyrian Christians, and on, and on, and on.
Give the whole thing windows that tell the story of the resistance of all kafir peoples - east, west, north, south - against the jihad, and that remember and mourn and denounce forever the murders, the enslavements, the rapes, the destruction of holy places.
And write upon the altar these words - 'How Long, O Lord? How Long?'