And, absolutely no talk of politics, or the White Devil. Honest. Incidentally, his name is Warith Deen Mohammed, which literally means "Inheritor of Muhammad's religion." "Muslim leader brings convention to Detroit," from AP, August 21:
DETROIT - The leader of one of the largest Muslim groups in the U.S. and son of the Nation of Islam's longtime leader is bringing his annual convention to Detroit.By "mainstream Islam," what is meant? Sunni Islam according to al-Madhahib al-Arba' , or are we to understand by "mainstream" here, that much hoped for but rather fictitious concept of a "liberal" Islam?Imam W. Deen Mohammed will deliver a lecture Aug. 30 and keynote address Aug. 31 at Cobo Center during the WDM Ministry convention, whose theme is "Have a winning spirit for success."
Mohammed moved his followers toward mainstream Islam after the 1975 death of his father, Elijah Mohammed.
Louis Farrakhan rebuilt the Nation of Islam and led its convention last year in Detroit.
He also is the ("moderate") Muslim leader who believes that "Jews rule the world."
The Nation of Islam believes that a mad black scientist - I believe his name is Yakub - invented the white race 6000 years ago in an act of sedition...and that the 'mother ship' is ready to evacuate all the Black Muslims before the coming cataclysm that will end the world...
...and this is mainstream???
Amusing, this "Winning Spirit for Success" is merely a copying of those Christian churches and revival meetings and assorted great awakenings where holy-rollers explain that Jesus was simply the first great Motivational Speaker, and that the Royal Road to Riches lies through belief (believe in Jesus, and your investments, your work, your everything will "pay off" -- oh, and if it doesn't, you still have the rest of what is in the Bible as your consolation prize so don't, please, ask that your contributions to this Church of Immaculate Worldly Success be given back.
In another sense, however, getting beyond the con-men, the mountebanks, the preachers-as-megachurch-motivational-speakers, there is a point that can be made. It is this. Islam does not encourage economic success. Islam gets in the way of economic success. Islam actively encourages two things that help explain the dismal economic performance of Muslim states and peoples, broadly speaking (there are always individual exceptions), and the fact that despite having received more than ten trillion dollars, the Muslim oil states have yet to build modern economies, but remain rentier states, dependent on Infidel wage-slaves. Not a single Muslim Arab state, for example, manages to build its own highways, its own skyscrapers, its own anything, but relies on the West (just see how Libya has been throwing fits until Italy agreed to build for it a coastal highway that the Libyans, despite their tens of billions in annual income, just can't manage), or West and East (since in Saudi, for example, so many of the buildings are put up by South Korean contractors).
The first reason is inshallah-fatalism. If in every second phrase, you use that term, and if you really believe that at any moment Allah can come in, and exercise his will or his whim, and if all things are decided by him, well then -- to the extent that that is truly believed, you are less likely to strive. It will, inshallah, succeed, inshallah, or it will, inshallah, fail. Muslims who can get away, in the West, and surrounded by non-Muslims, or working with a team of non-Muslims, can perform as non-Muslims, to the precise extent that they mentally jettison that inshallah-fatalism. But in Muslim states, suffused with Islam, such is not possible, save for the handful of the most advanced, who keep their real views largely to themselves.
The second reason is the habit of mental submission, which Islam encourages. It encourages it because the whole basis of the Total Belief-System is not reason, but authority: you accept what Allah does, without questioning. You follow the human example of Muhammad, without questioning. If Muhammad "marries" little Aisha when she is nine, no need to question that or to question, therefore, the Ayatollah Khomeini when, as virtually his first act, he lowers the marriageable age of girls to nine. If Muhammad said this about the Unbelievers, or did this to them, because Muhammad is the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, what he did, at the Khaybar Oasis, with the Banu Qurayza, with Asma bint Marwan, with the Meccans in his breach of the treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya, are not only fine, but positively exemplary.
Look at Saudi Arabia. Who works? The Filipinos, the Thai, the Sri Lankan, the Indian girls, in the palaces and houses of Saudis. The Indian laborers (with some Pakistanis, too, non-Arab Muslims who can and are treated contemptuously). The South Korean contractors. At the upper levels, the West Europeans and North Americans who provide the advanced medical care, teachers, and so on, with a few Arabs -- or even Lebanese Christians who know Arabic as native -- in the mix.
What do the Saudis do all day?
Check the Dow, check the Nasqad, check the Footsie, check the Nikkei, check the Hang Seng. Get on the phone, and move money around, or try to buy this or that in the West: a factory, a company, a mover-and-shaker in Washington, an estate in Aspen, a Plantagenet hunting lodge in Sussex, an apartment on the Avenue Foch, or order a 350-foot yacht, or another specially-outfitted 747, and then there is all that important work to do, meeting with "Western consultants" about some new grand scheme, say those five or six so-called "Economic Cities" that the Saudis are building, and about which you can read in those comical multi-page advertisements in The Economist or The Financial Times or even The New Duranty Times, that the Saudis and other Gulf Arabs like to take out, with pictures of those dishdasha'ed and often sinister-looking and grossly overweight Al-Thanis and al-Saudis and Al-Maktoums e tutti quanti, with their big plans, their whirling skyscrapers rising high, higher, highest, and the nothingness of it all, the phoniness of it all, the absurdity of it all, unconnected to any enterprise or industry by the people who happen merely to have been the beneficiaries of completely unmerited wealth. Take away that accident of geology, and where would any of these places be?
No, if you want "worldly success" -- not in the mountebank-and-motivational-speaker sense, but in another sense -- whatever you do, stay away from Islam. That is the message that the Infidel governments of this world should be conveying to the inhabitants of the pooorer countries. Islam is a prescription for economic paralysis. And partly because Islam stunts the mental growth. Compare Pakistan with India. Compare the economic performance of Hindus and Chinese with the Muslim Malays in Malaysia. Compare the economic performance of the Christian Ibo with the Muslim Hausa, or just compare the Muslim Yoruba with the Christian Yoruba. Everywhere you look, Islam holds people back economically.
That's not the reason for opposing Islam. But it's a good reason to offer to those who might, just might, because they see "religion" as a way to get rich, to think again before checking the box marked "Islam." You need evidence? For god's sake, look at the last 1350 years. Look at the last century. Look at the last decade.
"The Nation of Islam believes that a mad black scientist - I believe his name is Yakub - invented the white race 6000 years ago in an act of sedition...and that the 'mother ship' is ready to evacuate all the Black Muslims before the coming cataclysm that will end the world...
"...and this is mainstream???"
Posted by: Cornelius
Hey, it's not much more far-fetched than some of the orthodox stuff. Like Mohammed flying to heaven on a magical talking mule. Or the 72 virgins awaiting each [male] believer in Paradise. Or for that matter, the whole basic premise that the Almighty would choose a sex-crazed caravan robber to be his "messenger".
The NOI is just "Mohammed meets Erich von Daniken and Black Athena".
When they say Detroit, do they mean Dearbornistan? Anti-semitism aside, how close is NOI to the original ummah in Dearbornistan from Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, and other such places?
Warith Deen Mohammed abandoned the "White Devil" talk soon after succeeding his father the "honorable" Elijah Mohammed. That's why Louis Farrakhan took over as leader of the NOI so as to continue as the "true" successor to Elijah Mohammed. Farrakhan remains a true believer in the Mothership, Dr Yakub and the White Devil.
"Warith Deen Mohammed abandoned the "White Devil" talk soon after succeeding his father the "honorable" Elijah Mohammed. That's why Louis Farrakhan took over as leader of the NOI..."
A...(gasp)...schism, in pseudo-islam?
Imam W. Deen Mohammed will deliver a lecture Aug. 30 and keynote address Aug. 31 at Cobo Center during the WDM Ministry convention, whose theme is "Have a winning spirit for success."
Yeah, well I guess every religion's gotta have a Joel Osteen ... now if one of his wives elbows a stewardess in the boob and gives her hemorrhoids, we'll know for sure. LOL
I have some questions for Mohammad.
Why do Muslims believe they have the right to Islamize this contry?
Would Muslims mind being deported?
If they do mind, why should we care?
Since Muslims feel no remorse shoving Islam down our throats, Islamiing our culture and deliberately undermining democracy and freedom - why should we care what you think?
Why should we feel remorse deporting you to a country which already has all the laws and Islam culture you desire to see forced on us?
Has anyone ever told the NOI that MUSLIM African slave traders were a large part of the operation that brought black slaves to the colonies?
I suppose that could be called "an inconvenient truth."
Has anyone ever told the NOI that MUSLIM African slave traders were a large part of the operation that brought black slaves to the colonies?
Posted by: PorkFatRules
Or that Arab Moslem slavers carried off far more African slaves to the Islamic world, and for a far longer time, than Europeans took to the Americas. Or that among these slaves, the males were almost universely sexually-mutilated. with many of them dying as a result.