Thanks, dhimmis!
As well they should! After all, the Saudis are only responsible for supplying the hate-and-destroy-all-infidels educational curriculum, "Wahhabism" to every mosque (and CAIR), 15 of the 19 September 11 hijackers (as well as Osama bin Laden), and mega petro-dollars to jihadis around the globe. "U.S. court rules Saudi Arabia immune in 9/11 case," from Reuters, August 14:
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, four princes and other Saudi entities are immune from a lawsuit filed by victims of the September 11 attacks and their families alleging they gave material support to al Qaeda, a federal appeals court ruled on Thursday.The ruling by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan upheld a 2006 ruling by U.S. District Judge Richard Casey dismissing a claim against Saudi Arabia, a Saudi charity, four princes and a Saudi banker of providing material support to al Qaeda before the September 11 attacks.
The victims and their families argued that because the defendants gave money to Muslim charities that in turn gave money to al Qaeda, they should be held responsible for helping to finance the attacks.
The appeals court found that the defendants are protected under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.
The court also noted that exceptions to the immunity rule do not apply because Saudi Arabia has not been designated a state sponsor of terrorism by the U.S. State Department.
Of course not: they're our "friends and allies" -- except when plotting to destroy us.
Dear God,
Please give America an alternative energy source and get the political whores out of our government.
Amen.
I don't like the outcome either, but it was the correct application of the law. The fault likes with the State Department, not the court.
If we wanted to, the US could be an energy exporter. We could even liberate Western Europe from dependence on Russian natural gas.
Coal.
Oil.
Shale.
Uranium.
I can't believe the Chinese can drill off of Florida, but we can't. Suicide of a nation?
The court also noted that exceptions to the immunity rule do not apply because Saudi Arabia has not been designated a state sponsor of terrorism by the U.S. State Department.
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I've been saying this for a VERY long time, and the Republicans, along with the Democrats, have totally fouled this up.
Saudi Arabia IS a primary monetary sponsor of Jihadist Terrorism.
At this point - if we are hit with another deadly terrorist attack, God forbid! - I'd like to see the ENTIRE State Department leadership personally named in a lawsuit.
I'm disgusted with our State Department and their apparent willingness to sacrifice American lives, and our security so that they can "feel" good about themselves and "multi-cultural" and "PC."
The decision by court is nothing quid pro quo by the Bush administration.
What happened was this. The judge in question got a phone call or calls from someone at the White House and told to make sure any ruling favored the Saudis. I'm sure the judge was amply rewarded.
And the State Dept is nothing but a tool of the White House. Blaming them when the real culprits hide out at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is foolish.
The sad fact is Bush and the GOP went out of their way to protect the Saudis and the bin laden family after 9/11. Then again the Bush family has deep connections to the House of Saud.
But the rot goes a lot deeper, the Democrats are also neck deep in Saudi money so they are just as culpable as the GOP. You can by their staying stone mute on Saudi being the engine of Muslim fanaticism and violence.
What does it mean for us? it means we have no government worth mentioning and that they will not help us when we are attacked again. Most likely they will cover up any attack so as not to offend their Saudi masters.
Just like they did in the Ricin and now Cyanide cases. "Nothing to see here, just move along."
Raymond, the Saudis aren't trying to destroy the USA. They want us to stay around to perform important dhimmi functions, like be their military protectors and provide an endless source of cash to enable to their opulent lifestyles. Think of those insect parasites that eat into their hosts and cause great pain and distress, but keep the host alive. Kind of like that.
The legality, logic, reasoning and rationality of the ruling is distorted and compromised by the eye-ball evidence of personal "friendships" and financial gains between American politicians and Saudis who represent the most repulsive, overt and extreme government-sponsored hatred and criminal behavior in the world today. Miscreants and treasonous thieves cannot be trusted to carry out the law, period.
Where is Eliot Ness when you need him
Isn't the Govt. supposed to work for the people of the US? This is unbelievable! On what basis is Saudi Arabia NOT on that list?
I know people are mad about the decision, but I think it is important to keep in mind that we cannot preserve Western-style rule of law by abandoning Western-style rule of law.
The statute on sovereign immunity is quite clear. For the judge to do anything else would have be thwarting of the law.
I think we need to realize that when judges sidestep the law to do what they feel like, the rule of law system loses another bit of integrity. Moreover, deviations from the law almost always occur in the favor of the Jihadists (both slow and fast), so we should welcome each ad every straightforward application of the law and not welcome judicial activism.
Judicial activism is a great source of power for the would be Jihadist. Judges are, on the whole, quite politically correct.
Two wrongs not making a right:
1) The Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act, whose backers clearly did not contemplate the notion of the nation-state -- a distinctly non-Islamic idea -- protecting the acts of promoters of Jihad, the money and other support given by institutions and individuals who, in turn, are supported by that state, and the attitudes and acts that state, in collaboration with a fanatical religious establishment, uses tens of billions of dollars to further Jihad around the world.
2) Apparently there is a "terrorism" exception to the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act, but Saudi Arabia is not on the list of sponsors of terrorism, because the State Department, or powerful people within it, decided to keep Saudi Arabia off. But Saudi support for mosques and madrasas, where hate against Infidels is inculcated and provides the atmospherics that lead Saudis, and others, to sign up for conducting violent Jihad by what they think of as qitaal and we correctly call terrorism -- atmospherics that are created in the miasma emanating from the texts of Islam, -- Qur'an, Hadith, Sira, and not from a "perversion" of Islam, a charge for which no one ever quite manages to offer even a single Qur'anic passage or stroy from the Hadith that has been interpolated, or made up, for the use of these "extremists" and "radical extremists" or "extremist radicals."
Of course Saudi Arabia should be on that list.
No matter how often people talk about the "need" not to offend Saudi Arabia, such talk is wrong. It misses the point and all kinds of point. Saudi Arabia is hopelessly dependent on us, and on the outside world, for its wage-slaves, for its protection (of the regime especially), for access to education and medical care. It is we, or rather, it is those in the capitals of the West, who as individuals -- those who leave "public service" (ex-diplomats, ex-Congressmen, ex-intelligence agents) as well as journalists and professors, who can benefit from showing the "right attitude" toward Saudi Arabia, who have convinced themselves, and too many of those in power, that "we just can't alienate Saudi Arabia" because we "need their oil." It just isn't true. It shows a misunderstanding of the oil market, and of Saudi dependence, and it has allowed individuals who may benefit from being rewarded directly or indirectly by the Saudis to to confuse their own private well-being with teh well-being of the United States.
No favors need be done, none, in order to obtain oil from Saudi Arabia, as no favors need be done, none, for one's local gas station (other than to pay the stated price for the gas). The whole relationship is wrong -- see J. B. Kelly, at this website, "Of Valuable Oil and Worthless Policies" for observations about the misreading of Saudi Arabia, which began long ago in the ARAMCO propaganda and at the State Department.
Which candidate for President will, sensing how deeply wrong is this decision, and how unpopular Saudi Arabia -- despite its vast propaganda campagin in this country, much of it hidden from view -- has become, will use this case, and make it into a political cause celebre? Which candidate will point to this decision, and deplore openly the role of the State Department in protecting Saudi Arabia (as in othe cases, it has gone to bat for Iran, for Libya, for the PLO, though in all of those cases, too, that going to bat made no moral sense, and what's more, made no geopoliticial sense, but the State Department's so-called Middle East "experts" are stuck in a time-warp, can't free themselves of their own cliches and misreadings of Saudi Arabia, of both its "friendliness" (it's nonsense) and its "power" over us (it has none, and we should first be clear about that, and why, ourselves, and then explain to the Al-Saud that we understand that better, and they will have to as well, and as a sign of that new understanding, on both sides, we want an immediate halt to the Saudi financing -- about 100 billion dollars so far -- used to spread Islam in the Lands of the Infidels, and to propagandize on behalf of both Islam and of Saudi Arabia. They don't like it? Too bad. They'll make noisees about "selling our oil" elseewhere? The oil market is fungible. Saudi Arabia sells us oil at the same market prices as does (or would) any other producer, whether friend or enemy. And all those non-liquid assets various Gulf Arabs have bought in the West are...non-liquid, and can be seized, if the mood comes upon us, and we remember what we did to the assets of those deemed enemy aliens during World War II. Are not those in Saudi Arabia supporting, directly and indirectly, the world-wide Jihad, not "enemy aliens"? Why not?
"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993
at sauduction@sauduction.com
They think they own everything.
I want an electric car! Or at least a multi-fuel vehicle.
Saudi Arabia has not been designated a state sponsor of terrorism by the U.S. State Department.
.... from the article.
Helps when the State Dept follows the orders from POTUS/commander-in-chief, from wahhabbi back-pockets:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1575675/Saudi-king-to-cut-George-Bush's-bedtime.html
The sad fact is Bush and the GOP went out of their way to protect the Saudis and the bin laden family after 9/11. Then again the Bush family has deep connections to the House of Saud.
But the rot goes a lot deeper.....
Posted by: waltc at August 15, 2008 2:37 AM
That is why, Americans should not be surpised that America is sold-out to anyone with a peso or a petro-dollar. After their POTUS/commander-in-chief is a Bush, who have sold American blood and lives for $$$$. As for "friends and ally", Al-Sauds are Bush "family & friends" but enemy of USA. What Americans have not figured out is that makes Bush also ememy of USA. But, how can a sittlign president/commander-in-chief, who has adopted a Saudi prince in Bush family, whose businesses Atbusto and Harken energy were financed by Al-Sauds and Bin-Ladens, be the "friend & family" of the enemy? Stupidity comes with a price and Americans are paying with their hard-earned money, blood and lives.
As they say, in a democracy, people get the govt. they deserve.
I have read so much today about Muslims, Dhimmitude, Islam, etc that I feel sick. Maybe a bit depressed too. This story was the icing on it. Anyway, to all here at Dhimmi Watch, keep up the important and very good work!! We are all in this together!! (I think maybe I'll check out a re-run of the Andy Griffith show to cheer me up).
The administrations who have sucked up to the Sauds are nothing short of criminal.
Every single person of power who has anything to do with oil, is rich and getting richer.
The Saudi's are playing Mohammad in splitting up the loot. One fifth for the Saudi family and four fifths split among the companions, which include some American politicians. Why else would Bush hold hands with or kiss a Saud? He's gay? Overwhelmed with love? Or he knows where the faucet is...and who is really in charge.
The American people have been sold out by government. They put our money supply 'The Fed', and energy dependence 'oil' at the mercy of foreign entities.
They have the power to cripple our economy in a second. The Fed could just refuse to redeem 'Fed Reserve Notes', making them worthless.
The main oil suppliers could decide not to supply.
This is an artificial structure built for a profit. Politician profiteers have paved the way, and now, we pay.
The American people should not be in this position. 'Beware the military, industrial complex'...Wake up Sampson, the Philistines
are upon you'...
The administrations who have sucked up to the Sauds are nothing short of criminal.
Posted by: duh_swami at August 15, 2008 2:42 PM
All Americans should be concerned about the extent to which the Bush family has sold the very prople who elected them to public offices. The same Bush family turned around to sell everything possible to Al-Sauds. Americans foolishly fall for Bush quote "friends & allies". Reality is Al-Sauds are Bush "family & friends". Big difference!
Hence, the need to impeach the corrupt and timid POTUS/commander-in-chief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45f1Riv_z1I&feature=related
.. and to those wearing the "party prism", for a change, think about America.