Anti-Obsession site rails against Spencer, Horowitz, who aren't in the film

I find it a 'hate crime' when Islam says that Jesus is only a prophet when it is referred as 'Islam is the same truth that God revealed to ALL His prophets'.

Can we call a meeting with the ACLU, FBI, and media release.

Seriously, if one is a 'hate crime' then they both are. Insulting Jesus and saying he was nothing more then a prophet and not the Son of God that He said He was.

It should be pointed out after reading this comment 'there is no deity but God, and Muhommad is the messenger'.....Jesus pointed out that there would be false gods and false phophets that would come after Him, and claiming to continue His word. Jesus said His word would not be added to.

Just for fun, let's see if we can name them all.

Top row (left to right): Daniel Pipes (check out that glance), Alan Dershowitz, Walid Shoebat, David Horowitz.

Bottom row (left to right): Steven Emerson, Nonie Darwish, Brigitte Gabriel, Robert Spencer.

All of them are absolute bloody legends and heroes in the fight against Islamism! Hail thee all! And, if you are all Zionists, all the better :-)

What an utter joke...if anything I think the film went out of its way to be too fair to Islam.

There was no mention of the despicable nature of the founder of Islam, Muhammad the pedophile, rapist, murderer, thug and charlatan.

"There is no deity but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God."

Yes & No

I wonder if some of those who signed on to the HHA realized what they signed on to. It's Islam Facts section is more doctrinal boilerplate not 'facts' per se.

Is Walid Shoebat a fake? It seems so. One bad apple can compromise the movement. His 'backstory' doesn't seem to have a shred of evidence and even Debbie Schlussel got fed up with his creepiness.

Bless You, Robert!

(looks like he's about to sneeze)

We received a copy of this DVD in the mail yesterday. It's well put together, informative, and pulls the curtain back on what CAIR and MPAC want everyone to think doesn't exist.

We're passing it along throughout the neighborhood so that everyone can see it.

I encourage anyone who received a copy of this to share it with their family and friends.

"Struggle" with that....Nihad Awad.

From article: "There is no deity but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God." By this declaration, a person announces faith in God and belief in the entire prophetic chain of God's messengers.

Of course he is talking about Allah, not God.

By this declaration one proclaims himself a muslim.

Exactly why I want that question asked of Obama.

'Do you believe Allah is God? Do you believe Mohammad was his messenger?

Lets hear his declaration. Let him clear up the question of his muslim identity.

This site is obviously muslim created, muslim run and muslim financed. Only muslims and wierdo kufr appeasers would create this site...It won't have much of an effect. I hope more dvd's are in the works...

poetcomic1 - check this out: http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/06/walid-shoebat-palestinian-turns-from-radical.html

Should answer a few questions.

"Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life."
In other words, its a facists cult, controls your everyday life, separates you from your unbelieveing family and friends. those with common sense can sense islam is evil, and the movie just makes it more clear. shine the light on evil and it will sliter away!

s.perry -
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/09/walid_shoebat_w.html

The whole terrorist shtick is his moneymaking (not big money but a living) thing and THAT Daniel Pipes can't verify and it seems no one else can. It doesn't add up. Is it 'alright' if he makes that up? Of course not. I would love to be proven wrong but I get a funny feeling about him.

Hate Hurts America?

So when are Muslims going to stop hating America?

It must have been freudian, but they picked a great website name, given that "obsession with hate" describes Islam to a "T".

It sees any and all opposition as "hate".

Anyone who refuses to worship the moon god is "fighting Islam" and is worthy of elimination.

poetcomic1, that link you provided.
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Excuse me for one second while I pick my jaw up off the floor.We better get to the bottom of this real quick.

silent_rage,

Here is the Jerusalem Post article link:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1206632362598&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Walid writes a rebuttal here:

http://wicatholicmusings.blogspot.com/2008/04/walid-shoebat-response-to-jerusalem.html

and here is the text of the rebuttal printed in the Jerusalem Post April, 10, 2008

I WAS A TERRORIST
Note: The same media that believed us during my terror- supporting days, when we were lying, now refuse to believe us when we are telling the truth. RIGHT OF REPLY

It's apparently better to be a terrorist than a law- abiding citizen. When you are a terrorist, you gain concessions, peace deals and lots of money. After all, the media fully assists terrorists, the government seeks peace deals, the world funds these peace deals and continually requests the release of terrorists.

The main culprit in aiding terrorists are the media. In my case here, sadly, it's The Jerusalem Post ("The case of the Palestinian 'terrorist' turned Zionist whose bombing history can't be found," March 30). As Mark Twain said, "If I do not view the news, I am not informed, but when I do read the news, I am usually ill-informed."

Despite all the evidence I provided the Post about my ties and that of my family to terror, the paper preferred to absolve me from my terrorist past and to believe my relatives, whose own links to terrorism seems irrelevant and who are glad to deny my terror links and my own confession.

The media were glad to label us during our terror days as freedom fighters. Now that I have repented, they label me a racist, hater of peace and suffering from Islamophobia - and now a liar. The same media that believed us during my terror-supporting days - when we were lying - now refuse to believe us when we are telling the truth. The same media that insisted "Israel should release PLO fighters as a gesture of peace" now insist that only repentant terrorists like myself be put back in prison while my terror- supporting family roam free.

There are only two choices when it comes to terrorism. The first is to make excuses for it. The second is to say there is absolutely no excuse for it. There is no third choice. I was accepted when I claimed the first, then totally rejected when I claimed the second.

The litany of accusations in the media came in sequence. First they said I was a Lebanese Phalangist. After this was proven false, came the claim that I never lived in Israel. After this was proven false, they said I was never in prison in Jerusalem. After this was proven false, it was alleged I never planted a bomb in Bank Leumi- Bethlehem Branch. When this too will be proven false, it will be said that I must be an Israeli paid agent doing this for the money.

TO THIS DAY Israel rejects my entry to visit the land of the Bible while entertaining requests to bring back the terrorists who vandalized The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. No one cares about vandalism by terrorists of the birth place of Jesus, one of the holiest sites for Christians. Neither do they care when Joseph's Tomb was desecrated by Palestinian mobs. Shame on everyone, including myself, for trusting the Post. Shame on every Jew who continues to fight dead Nazis and not living Islamo- Nazis.

My story is a litany of personal experience: imprisonment, an attempted lynching, the failed bombing operation of an Israeli bank, a mother not permitted to visit her native land (US), an anti-Semitic education, terror support in the US, and an extended family with heavy links to terrorism. These are all documented in my book Why We Want To Kill You. Nothing in my book can be refuted, as everything I wrote is true. The attempts to discredit my story came through relatives who involved in aiding and abetting terrorism, including financial terrorism and bombings in Israel.

IT IS A shame that the Post published the article when I told your reporter that your witnesses are linked to terror and are wanted by the United States for major fraud and contraband. Presumably that is why he didn't provide their names in his article.

My version is this: one of my relatives and his sons illegally funneled millions from the US by defrauding the Social Security system and credit card companies. They used illegally obtained Israeli passports to smuggle themselves in and out of Israel. Your reporter did not interview reputable witnesses offered to him who would confirm the bombing operation of Bank Leumi.

Here are the facts readers did not see in your report:

* The prominent Jordanian lawyer Jawad Younis, who was deported by Israel for involvement in a terror ring and openly supports Hizbullah, is my relative.

* Another source had been part of a suicide bombing operation in Rishon Lezion in which a terrorist blew himself up and killed innocent Jews.

* And yet another source had been sentenced to life in prison for making bombs and attempting to kill Jews, then released by Israel through an international deal. He is now free, willing and ready to testify against me that I was never a terrorist, while denying he ever was one himself.

Your reporter attempts to discredit me by using a New York Times article which itself relied on CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) as experts. CAIR is a pro- Islamic agency. This article was fully refuted and exposed by terror expert Steve Emerson (http://grizzlygroundswell.com/archives/1401).

Your reporter did not include confirmation presented by Daniel Pipes of Middle East Forum, a well respected and reputable expert who examined many of my records - confiscated land deeds, birth certificates, newspaper reports on family connection to terror. As he wrote on his Web site, "Walid Shoebat took the time to visit me in my office today and to show me proofs that his life story is a true one. I accept that it is." (Daniel Pipes, Middle East Forum, May 18, 2006)

FOR MY defense of Israel and my battle against Jew- hatred I have addressed audiences at numerous government agencies including the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI, the United States Air Force and many police agencies. They always scrutinize my credentials and background, and they've cleared me each and every time. My advisory board is comprised of generals and other senior officers from the US military.

It is a shame that the Post was somehow duped into running an article against my character and credentials. The question everyone should ask is why is the media so bent in destroying my claims, especially the Israeli media which should in reality help me get my message out.

http://www.shoebat.com/evidence_of_my_credentials.php

From the final link above:

Instead of focusing on my family’s denied terror connection and financial fraud, the media wants you to focus more on our finances vy claiming that we are not a charitable organization. In fact F.F.M.U (Foundation [ed. Forum] For Middle East Understanding) was set up as a 501C3 to receive donations, yet the media opts to include only the business aspect of our firm (Top Executive Media) that deals with our book sales and speaking fees.

Leftists are, of course, already having a hay-day:

http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/shoebat-davies-and-silver/

Robert, any comments?

Concerned -
Debbie Schlussel's track record is DAMNED good. She annoys the hell out of me sometimes but I've learned from experience to trust her. Mr. Shoebat's arguments seem to get just 'Arab', blurry and impassioned right when he needs to names, dates, facts. I don't trust him.

IF they don't like Obsession they should all leave islam. The religious doctrine of islam inspired the actions and beliefs of the people depicted in the film. Their outrage at seeing islam in action is amusing to me. Now maybe they know how the victims of jihad feel. They are desperately trying to turn this to their own advantage and detract attention from the film by playing innocent victims of a cruel and vicious hate campaign. They are masters of manipulation and deceit but maybe their charade will backfire. I hope they raise enough ruckus to encourage millions more to watch Obsession out of curiosity.

Shame is what they should be feeling but that isn't in the muslim lexicon or ethos except when they're "dishonored" by a female relative. Islam has been busted and they just can't bear it. Boo hoo and get used to it because there's plenty more to come!

There is no Satan but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger.

poetcomic1,

Agreed, but this cannot remain an in-house debate or rumor mill. This needs to be definitely ended. It damages the credibility of all of us, even those of us in the peanut gallery.

She makes these statements:

1) "I can't answer for Daniel Pipes' statement."

I would think that would be easily corroborated by someone like her; e-mail, phone call perhaps?

2) "Vouching for him was Steven Emerson, who is another similar story and a phony, sad to say (but that's a topic for another day). Birds of a feather."

So she's saying Steven Emerson is a fake anti-terrorist? Like he faked terror investigations, published fake documents and excerpts, conducted fake interviews, and lied to Congress? What exactly is she saying? That is not an appropriate "teaser" for this topic. She needs to put up or shut up on that one.

concerned citizen-
Agree 100% - I just have this horrible fear of those who might compromise the truth. I'd love for Schlussel to be dead wrong. I don't trust anyone as much as I do Robert Spencer. I hope he clears the air.

Nice find, PRCS. Thank you.

PMK said:

It sees any and all opposition as "hate".

Anyone who refuses to worship the moon god is "fighting Islam" and is worthy of elimination.

Please, everyone, read this very enlightening essay: When is Islam Oppressed?

A superb summary of everything discussed, debated, and discoursed here at JW/DW over the years.

Who has the fortitude and soap box to throw these arguments back at these animals?

Hi, Boneshack!

Good link you've provided, I especially liked this comment:

"After all, the Islamists are foaming: 'Islam means peace', 'there is no compulsion in religion' 'killing one person is killing the entire mankind', and so on. Because of such misleading propaganda by the Islamists and their bogies of western apologists of Islam, one might find it impossible to believe that there could be anything in the Qur'an but 'peace', 'love' and 'mercy' for the infidels. Sadly, to the disappointment of these gullible unbelievers, the Qur'an, in many verses, categorically exhorts the true believers to use force preemptively to convert the unbelievers to Islam. Here is a sample verse:

Allah sent down iron as a material for war and for other benefits; whoever deviates from Islam is to be brought back with iron (i.e. with force, meaning use iron (sword) to force people to Allah's religion)...57:25"

The fact that they have to create a web site like the aforementioned is a good sign that our movement is working. No good deed goes unpunished and that fact that some folks are pushing back means that the message the Islam is inherently violent is getting out.

The copy on the web site is well written, but it fails to answer why Muslims are disproportionately involved in religious motivated attacks. This is the elephant in the room that they are not answering and joe-six pack, after watching Obsession will want these folks to answer it. They won't because they are either in denial or part of the Jihadist fifth column. The average American knows that shit stinks and will believe it fair for Muslims to give an honest accounting for their religion's propensity to violence.

What I hope is that enough publicity gets out that the film will get an airing on one of the big media outlets. Until that time, keep distributing the video. As for funding the "shadowy group" that distributes the video; can I donate money and be part of this shadowy group ... or more accurately, be part of this group which is shedding light on the darkness that is Islam.

Keep up the fight folks.

what i would like to know is would caie ect like some ham and cheese on crackers with there whine
about the truth being told about radical islam
sigh they whine to much

ObsessionWithHate.com summarized:

All large groups will tend to have a "tiny" minority of members that may not accurately represent the group as a whole. But the actions of a "tiny" aberration should never be confused with the overall majority.

Don't be brainwashed by the evil, hateful, lies spewed by discredited ignorant fearmongers such as Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson and others.

(Note: No mention of the 11,900+ Islamist attacks since 9/11. No mention of the recent Pew Research Center findings that in Pakistan, Jordan, Lebanon; over 50% of population support suicide attacks against civilians).

Debbie Schlussel asked a very unintuitive question that almost nobody would think of asking - prove that Walid was a terrorist. While it's natural to look into the criminal background of someone, it's less intuitive to look into whether a (former/reformed) criminal is lying when he claims he was one.

I don't think the Israeli JP article above is the last word, and that Schlussel may well be right. In the other documentary he appeared in (Islam: what the West needs to know), Shoebat mentioned that his transformation happened when he saw Arab kids near the place that he had planted the bomb. That strikes me as odd, since if he was brainwashed by al Aqsa, then he would have been taught that collateral damage - even Mohammedan collateral damage - was acceptable if it meant taking out the enemy.

Because many Muslims and many on the political left seem to have problems actually recognizing behaviors truly indicative of phobia and hate, I’ve developed a guide of sorts for detecting rising islamophobia and hate:

1) Each time an Islamic leader, commentator, or author insults secularism or an infidel religion hundreds of thousands of infidels pour into the streets around the world, attacking any Muslims they happen upon… and occasionally killing other infidels by accident.
2) Large rallies spontaneous appear around the globe with those participating carrying signs and screaming “death to those who insult atheism” or “death to those who insult Buddhism” or “death to those who insult Christianity”. Others carry signs saying “Sharia go to hell!”
3) Infidel leaders encourage their followers to become martyrs. It is explained that by killing themselves in suicide attacks, the aim of which is to kill large groups of non-threatening Muslims wherever they gather, they are doing the work of Buddha, Jesus Christ, George Washington, or Gandhi.
4) As motivation, infidel leaders teach that performing task number 3 will assure the perpetrator endless sex with 72 virgins in heaven. Mysteriously, these virgins are able to have sex and yet remain virgins forever.
5) Infidel governments begin arming infidel civilians with the most advanced weapons that can built or purchased, and encourage the civilians to attack Muslim governments and civilians in any way possible.
6) Infidel leaders and religious figures announce that Islamic states are illegitimate, and threaten to wipe them off the face of the Earth.
7) Spontaneous, deadly, infidel attacks on Muslims occur at the rate of tens of thousands per year.
8) Infidels demand money from Muslims and Islamic governments as a condition for peace.
9) Infidels then resume attacks, claiming some new grievance.
10) Infidels make a truce with Islamic states.
11) Infidels break truce and resume fighting within 10 years.
12) Infidels begin killing infidel leaders, writers, and commentators who suggest peaceful coexistence with Muslims.
13) Infidel leaders carry out threat number 6.
14) A minority of infidels protest against items 1 through 13. Many are immediately forced into hiding in order to protect their own lives.
15) Many infidel school systems begin teaching 1 through 14 as virtues, explaining to students that it is their duty to carry out those activities, and even give the activity its own special name.
16) Infidels explain that Muslims who speak out against their treatment have Infidelophobia.
17) Infidels continue 1 through 16 for 1400 years.

... Other equally subtle indicators may appear, feel free to expand and correct the guide above as you see fit.

".....Muhammad(Peace be upon him)."

The above always gets a sigh when I read it. How can someone wish peace upon a man who spent his life killing and having kufars killed? They say that the biggest mistakes the Nazis made was to not invent a religion.

Anyway, well done Robert Spencer for your continuing fight against Islamism. I think the only real answer to "Hate hurts America" is to actually put them all in a plane and send them to Iran or another Islamist state and let them see the big difference between hate in America/West and hate in Islamic countries.

The biggest problem that the West has is its tolerance and safety. Too many people have lived far too comfortable lives, never having to fight for anything or their protection from those who'd wish to take their freedoms away, as there are people in the West's Armed Forces who do it for them. These people have too much time on their hands which inevitably creates pathetic organisation such as this.
They should bring back National Conscription to all Western Countries so that the angry, complacent and comfortable left, who are busy trying to destroy our freedoms, ironically in their quest for freedoms, can see for themselves that freedom comes at a cost and are they really prepared to fight for it?

Keep up the fight against Islamisation and the 'Wicked Faith' that is Islam.

What is wrong with hating those who want to kill you? Are Jews supposed to love Nazis? Do Jews become Nazi phobic haters because they criticize or even hate Nazi ideology? It appears that any criticism of islam is "islamophobia." How “islamophobia” has become equivalent to hate speech is bizarre when the accuser of this hate is itself, islam, one of the worst hate ideologies of non muslims in the history of the world. The labeling of “phobics” as such is reminiscent of what totalitarian thugs do when they do not allow any further discussion of a subject. The writer is branded as "islamophobic." Once branded, the person bearing such label has been magically closed off any further discussion or consideration and has been branished a non person. The phobic's views become permanently discredited. No subsequent statement of a phobic may be read.

Congratulations to those phobics who report on the Islamic gulag. Free political phobics of islamia!

Shoebat's in a strange position. He has been accused of 'not' being a terrorist and to maintain credibility, he must prove he was.

Yet, if he actually was a terrorist planting bombs, he should be arrested.

Since when does a change of opinion forgive a crime? 'I won't do it any more...I'm on your side now', forgives murder? Apparently the Israelis have not forgiven him since he seems to be barred from Israel.

Or maybe no one was killed in any of his attempts(?), but the intent was still there.

The willingness to kill for Allah was still there.

'War is deceit' was still there.

Hatred for anything un-Islamic was still there.

What happened to 'those' opinions...did they just disappear?

Do leopards change their spots???

"They are not trying to be part of the American way of life, they are not trying to be a part of our culture, they are here with an agenda to make Islam the law of the land" – Nonie Darwish

Nonie implies that "they," presumably American Muslims, don't want to be a part of the American way of life and "they" are secretly attempting to make Islam the law of the land. It is important to note how such claims are never made by Muslims, but are always made by anti- Muslim pundits on their behalf. Furthermore, how does one make a religion which is a way of life and a set of moral and existential beliefs into the law of the land? Most American Muslims hail from lands in which Islam is not the law of the land despite over 90% Muslim majority populations. If that were their goal, why would they travel to a country in which Muslims number 2 to 4 million out of 300 million, according to Pew, and seek to establish that law there? More importantly, how can such a small percentage of citizens accomplish such an insurmountable task in a country that has as much transparency, checks and balances, conflicting interests, and powerful safeguards as the United States? Doesn't it make more sense to accept that Muslims have left their countries for America in pursuit of a higher standard of living and better opportunities like every other immigrant to the United States?

Darwish's claim also stands in stark contradiction to published reports that support the idea that Muslims are well integrated into American society and contribute to the well being of this country in all strands of our work force from government to family medicine to the convenient store down the block."
-- from the "Rebuttal" to the movie "Obsession"

There is no reason why a Muslim wishing to escape the Lords of Misrule and failures of Musliim societies could not come to the United States, be more-or-less "successful" economically (and what the police since 9/11/2001, prompted by the threat of terrorism, uncovered about some of that economic "success" -- including what goes on in some of those "convenient stores" mentioned in the soi-disant "Rebuttal," and still posesss, in his head, in his dreams and schemes and fondest desires, a hatred for Infidel ways, for Infidel legal and political institutions, a desire to change them, a desire to remove every obstacle to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam, which is the clearest and most accurate definition of "Jihad."

There is plenty of evidence, not only in this country ("Mike" Hawash, earning $360,000 a year as an Intel vice-president, with an American wife and Little-League-playing children, the perfectly -- or seemingly perfectly -- "integrated" Muslim until he got religion again; Sami al-Arian, a professor with tenure, who used his coveted and cosseted position to plot and to suppport those who murder Infidels; young Reza-Taheri, a graduate of UNC-Chapel Hill, and child of refugees from Khomeini who, having in his mental desarroi returned to Islam despite his largely-secular surroundings and upbringings, attempted to kill as many of his fellow students at Chapel Hill as he could, and so on), but also abroad (how many of the terrorist plotters, picked up in Great Britain, for example, have been doctors or engineers?).

There is a deliberate and shallow confusion herre between what Islam, the ideology of Islam, inculcates, and the fact that some Muslims are outwardly "integrated" -- but "integrated" in the way, one has every reason to believe and to fear -- in a way that does not require them to drop the ideology of Islam, and the permanent hostility it inculcates toward non-Muslims, toward everything that comes from non-Muslims that contradicts the letter and spirit of the Sharia, and that insists on the permanent and uncomrpomsing state of war, if not open warfare, that must exist between Muslim and non-Muslim, Believer and Infidel.

Are we who know this expected to pretend otherwise? Are we expected not to share this knowledge, dawning on many, because of some kind of idiotic "Rebuttal" at the level of the excerpted comment with which this posting begins?

It's not a matter of this movie. The movie is merely, for some, or possibly for many, a wake-up, an urgent stimulant to further investigation and thought. Of course Jihad is everywhere prompted by the same texts, in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. Islam is universalist. The decapitation of Buddhist monks in southern Thailand is not different, in its prompting, than the mass-murder of Christians and other non-Muslims in southern Sudan (or southern Nigeria), not different from the persecution and murder of Hindus (and the Buddhists in the Chittagong Hills) in Bangladesh or Hindus and Christians in Pakistan, not different from the Jihad being waged against Israel, one waged long before there was a single Israelli in the "West Bank" and before the "Palestinian people" had been so deliberately and conveniently invented to disguise, as a "national liberation" struggle, that endless Jihad against the Infidel nation-state of Israel, the same war now being waged against Infidels all over the Bilad al-kufr in Western Europe, and to a much lesser extent -- only because Muslims are far less numerous and far less powerful -- in North America.

We are expected not only to ignore the texts of Islam, not only to ignore the history of Islamic conquest of vast non-Muslim lands and the subsequent subjugation of non-Muslims (think only of the tens of millions of Hindus killed by their Muslim masters and overlords), but also to ignore what we read about, or hear about, every single day, if we choose to follow, and to pick up, what is being done in the world-wide Jihad -- which is nothing more than the sum of all the little and local Jihads, because as "all politics is local" so the manifestations of Jihad are merely tesserae in the world-wide mosaic, for "manifestations of the world-wide Jihad are local" too. The boy gunning his car in Chapel Hill is one self-appointed foot-soldier in the Jihad; so is "Mike" Hawash, setting off for Afghanistan to kill fellow Americans; and so is any group or groupuscule or individual Muslim, working fi sabil allah, to subdue the Infidels, wherever they might be, in order to bring about the goal that Islam inculcates: a world where Islam everywhere dominates, and Muslims rule, everywhere.

The goal may be a fantastic one, but not for want of trying, and the trying causes a great deal of harm to Infidels, and always will. No one, not a single non-Muslim person in his right mind in Western Europe, no matter how they may disagree over what is now to be done, can deny the truth of the following:

The large-scale presence of Muslims in the countries of Western Europe has created a situation that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous, for both the indigenous non-Muslims, and for other, non-Muslim immigrants, than would be the case without that large-scale presence.

And that unpleasantness, that expense, that physical danger grow pari passu and inexorably with the growth in numbers of Muslims, even of those Muslims who may (and how many are there? And how do we know which ones mean it? And for how long will they continue to mean it?) give every outward and visible sign --the deep seeming sincerity of manner, the ostentatious friendliness and interest in Infidel colleagues at every level -- which as we have good reason to know (from what we have learned about so many of those picked up as plotters or sympathizers) means little or nothing, for experience has taught us to be most wary, to earn to recognize, and see through, every trick of guile and wile, of Taqiyya-and-Tu-Quoque, with which we are so often, by Muslims -- so very often -- presented.

Islamists have convinced liberals that hate spewed from Islamists is reasonable and is defensive but that hate from anyone else is offensive.

Islamists also have learned how to manipulate liberals, which is very easy to do if that is your target of propaganda. Since liberals are completely indoctrinated, they will gobble up anything as long as it is served to them through their template.

I received my free copy of "Obsession" in the mail Wednesday and I immediately watched the film. I had previously seen parts of "Obsession" on FOX news but had not seen it in its entirety. Anyone who has seen "Obsession" will know why Muslims are hysterical about the distribution of the film. "Obsession" contains images you will never seen in the MSM and connects Islam to a LARGE number of atrocities worldwide including the attack by Muslims on school children in Beslan and attacks in the Philippines and Kenya.There is also extensive archival footage showing Islam's ties to the Nazis during WW2. Along with footage of Muslims engaging in "hate speech" on Palestinian, Iraqi and Iranian TV, all with the consent of those "governments".This while Muslims lecture us about "hate speech" in the West.

This is information you would probably only see at JW which is being delivered to 28 mil homes in the US.This is powerful stuff. If each home has an average of 2 people that could be 56 mil potential viewers of the film. The distributors of "Obsession" also encourage those who have received the film to share it with others.And there is nothing Muslims and their apologists can do to stop the distribution of the film and more importantly, to stop people from watching the film.My hope is that "Obsession" will be distributed to even more homes in the USA.

....And Muslims bow five times a day to worship a moon rock god.

Glenn Beck rocks! I watch him every night religiously. He very provocative, concerned about our nation and I would vote for him if he ever ran for the White House.

You should watch his daily program, 1 hour at 7: pm EST and repeated at 9: pm and 12: am. Remember, these are Eastern Standard time zones.

Glenn Beck rocks! I watch him every night religiously. He is very provocative, concerned about our nation and I would vote for him if he ever ran for the White House.

You should watch his daily program, 1 hour at 7: pm EST and repeated at 9: pm and 12: am. Remember, these are Eastern Standard time zones.

Glenn Beck is on Head Line News (HLN) sister channel to CNN and it is about three to five channels above or below where you find CNN channel on your TV system. Channel 202 on Dish net.

Guaranteed to fall in love with his program. If you do not fall in love with his program write me on JW addressing American. I read every posting.

Posted by: American at September 26, 2008 10:59 AM

Beck is off-base on the subject of Islam, but he appears to be learning a little bit. Wilders spoke the truth on his show last night, but Beck didn't want to believe it, even though he has stated in the past that he has read the Qur'an from cover to cover.

I have seen the movie and while it does emphasize what the agenda for the radicals is, it shows that most Muslims are not radicals and many are victims to the extremist. I ended up having more compassion for moderate Muslims and not hate after viewing the DVD. I will show it around despite these extreme groups-free speech!!

I glanced at the Obsession with hate web site and of course it is run by a group of anti Christian extreme radical liberals. Of course the fault is with those pesky Evangelical Christians who want holy war with peaceful Islam. Christians believe it is a spiritual war and these radicals take it totally out of context. They do not believe in free speech or speech that offends so they would ban movies like Obsession or censor any free speech they would deem as offensive. Those evil profiteers and Christians who want WWIII to bring back Christ.

read from Obsessionwithhate.org
The film’s ultimate goal is to lay the grounds for a larger religious war that goes beyond our national security interests and has only two beneficiaries: radical evangelicals who hold an apocalyptic worldview, and war profiteers who gamble at the expense of thousands of American lives and trillions of tax-payer dollars

Roxane wrote: "This ['Obsession'] is information you would probably only see at JW which is being delivered to 28 mil homes in the US.This is powerful stuff. If each home has an average of 2 people that could be 56 mil potential viewers of the film".

The total population of the USA is just under 300 million people.

This means that if each copy of Obsession is viewed by 2 people, then it's potentially reaching about 1/5th of the population. Of course, some households will have many more than one person. Some households will share the movie around to many, many others. And everyone will talk about it.

Maybe jihadwatch and similar sites will start getting a LOT more visitors as the more inquisitive and independent-minded folks start googling around looking for more information. Maybe Mr Spencer's publishers will find they have a run on his books.

Paging 'Clarion' - the folks who've done the distribution - I don't suppose you could consider hooking up with someone in Australia to arrange for a mass mailout Down Under? Try finding out who invited Ayaan Hirsi Ali, or who it was that smuggled Wafa Sultan in to Australia last year - I think they might be able to help.

Our TOTAL population - man, woman and child - is around 21 million, so the number of households you'd need to reach is even smaller. And we haven't forgotten about the Bali Bombing, so the material in the film would connect with that.

Further thought: many of those who now sit down in the USA to watch 'Obsession' (some of them probably out of sheer curiosity because of the stink that the Muslims have kicked up) will already have watched 'Fitna'. Especially the younger ones, who found the whole business of looking for bootleg downloads of a Forbidden Film terribly exciting. 'Fitna' has prepared the ground into which 'Obsession' is falling.

Now all we need is a follow-up - "Islam: What the West Needs to Know".

Perhaps Debbie Schlussel is flaking out:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/008666.html
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/is-kleins-noi-article-exact-replica-of.html

Concerned Citizen

From your cited link:

LA to DS: Gosh, what an argumentative person.

Debbie is right to be outraged when others steal news items that originally appear on her website. She's had this happen to her from Walid Shoebat, WND, Sean Hannity, Monica Crawley, among others. Rush Limbaugh, by contrast, normally credits her whenever he takes anything from her site. All that others have to do is acknowledge that accordingly, and she wouldn't be steamed at them.

It's a shame that people can't link to originating sites - just doing that would avoid such heartache. Gosh, how tough is it, really?

Just got our copy this week along with my extended family throughout the St. Louis area.

While the Liberal Post Disgrace, err, Dispatch is the only major paper here, it looks like everyone is getting their copies of Obsession anyway.

Tim Townsend is simply a dhimmi apologist and as I recall the back-and-forth email with Charles at LGF, a simple-minded dhimmi at that.

We are not only fortunate to have such a large Bosnian contingent taking over what was historically a Dutch part of town (ironic isn't it?) and staking their claim with a minaret, but we can also boast of being the chosen home to ISNA's most recent former president: Sheikh Muhammad Nur Abdullah.

Lucky us.